>Game Freak or Pokémon Smash in charge of showing any level of depth or strategy beyond maybe type effectiveness

>>13087299 (OP)
>implying those are all its moves
>implying it won't learn cross shop
>implying it won't learn Iron Tail/Meteor Smash

>>13087334
>>13087396
you would think that they would use an inaccurate move to show off the pokemon though

Does it have no guard because it's a sword and not a shield?

>>13087683
Probably be a glass canon too, haxorus tier attack and sharpedo defense.

>>13087679
No? Why? It's smash and no guard isn't a new ability.

>>13087696
they wouldn't give it no guard if it didn't have at least one good move to utilize it. I'm expecting some type of new ghost move

>>13087708
Stone edge is pretty likely

>>13087708
They wouldn't give Flareon exceptional Attack if it didn't learn physical STAB moves.
Oh, wait.

Most of Steel-type moves are pretty inaccurate.

>>13087708
You mean like how they gave Kingler Sheer Force?

>>13087708
It might learn Inferno.

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Honedge learns Guillotine.
The rape train has never had less breaks

>>13087784
Contrary to popular belief, OHKO moves are unaffected by No Guard
http://veekun.com/dex/abilities/no%20guard

>>13087840

Smogon says otherwise.

There's still chances it gets another ability. I wouldn't mind mold breaker, even though I fear it's gonna behyper cutter

>>13087856
Smogon disregards OHKO moves entirely, they simply don't mention it. Bulbapedia is rather unclear about it. I guess it wouldn't hurt to test it. No guard can be skill swapped, can it?

no guard + decent speed + hypnosis could be fun.

>>13087761
what? kingler gets lots of moves that are boosted by sheer force

>>13087739
that's an entirely different situation. "bad" moves are still usable in-game if you have a massive attack stat.

Watch it learn Guillotine

>>13087708
Just like Dustox makes wonderful use of Compoundeyes?

>>13087893
Yeah, but it has Shadow Sneak, so it'll probably be slow

>inb4 onslaught about how Floatzel gets Aqua Jet and I'm a Nigerian

>>13087933
It gets Rock Slide, Stomp, Secret Power and Metal Claw, the rest are special or shit

Whoop-de-fucking-doo

>>13088077
lots of fast pokes have priority moves.

>>13088095
>What is Waterfall

>>13088163
Kingler doesn't learn Waterfall, that's the main problem.

>>13088163
A move Kingler can't learn

>>13088163
>not using the big meaty Crabhammer

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>>13088183
>>13088187
>Kingler doesn't learn Waterfall

What the hell GameFreak, get your shit together.

>>13088183
>doesn't learn Waterfall
>doesn't even get a boost from Crabhammer

God fucking dammit Kingler is my bro but why did he get shafted so hard

>>13087882
My hackmons indicate that no guard indeed makes OHKO moves always hit. No guard/sheer cold ninjask is a staple for my fuck you team.

>>13088095
that doesn't matter, competitive battling is almost irrelevant to gamefreak

>>13088214
Competitive battling not being important to Gamefreak doesn't mean they don't usually try to make Pokemon worthwhile. Machamp also gets No Guard, and he has Dynamic Punch to take advantage of it.

>>13088217
It had DP before it ever got No Guard, though.

>>13088214
No it isn't. Smogon are just the only people who give a shit about the 6v6 singles meta.

GameFreak considers, and is trying to push, 6v6 singles as the story mode gameplay and 4v4 doubles as the competitive metagame.

GameFreak's actually done a really good job of balancing the 4v4 doubles with item + species clause meta.

>>13088241
Doubles is shit though, triples is where it's at.

>>13088245
And a majority of THAT Metagame is the same cookie cutter team of Tailwind Whimsicott, Beat-up Weavile and Rock Slide Terrakion.

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>>13088245
Triples is full of all sorts of crazy gimmicks, and I can never keep up.

>>13088245
Actually Triples is shit

Rotation is much better, except that entry hazards need a nerf like a motherfucker

TBH I think Smogon would embrace the rotation meta if it got implemented properly.

>>13088252
Better than Cookie Cutter OU, there's so much more you can actually do.

>>13088241
that's why I said "almost" irrelevant. it's a minor part of the game from their point of view

>>13088256
I find Rotation boring, I prefer the fast paced nature of triples

>>13088261
every metagame has cookie cutter teams

>>13088252
>not using Trick Room Belly Drum Snorlax

>>13088267
I know, but my point was the even though Triples has its cookie cutter teams, it's still much more interesting than standard 6v6 singles

So can anyone with B/W test if No Guard affects OHKO moves?

>>13088280
As of gen 4 it did affect it, as I created a Tentacool with No guard/Gastro Acid/Fissure/Sheer Cold to test this and it worked. I doubt they'd change it

Then, if Honedge did indeed get Guillotine, it would take a massive, smelly crap on the competitive metagame. Guillotine everything, and Shadow Sneak for the ghosts. Imagine that! Well, Strudy still resists OHKOs, so it might not be as big as it seems after all.

>>13088266
My objection to triples is that the whole "pokemon order is significant" thing is implemented poorly.

For one, in single-player, your lead pokemon should be in the center position.

For another, the "swap" action is confusing and poorly implemented. You can only swap far-left and far-right across TWO turns? What? No. Switching should be switching. You can swap any pokemon on the field with any OTHER, either on the field or off, in one turn. That's how that needs to be done.

Triples is a meta catering to hyper-offense because it works best when any pokemon on the field can hit whatever is in front of it. Adjusting a triples team for resistance and coverage mid-fight is just poorly done.

Hopefully triples gets its mechanics tuned up for Gen VI, especially with horde battles coming in to make the whole thing even more confusing