>chance based game
>balance

Former LoL player here.

I played because it was, in a sense, the more "casual" friendly game. But once LoL got stale, I realized I was playing a game with no real deep mechanics. My friends suggested DotA2, and I didn't like it at first, but it really grew on me and proved itself to be the superior game

Preferences. Different mechanics. Neither game is particularly deep or good.

>>192109539
>Different mechanics.

League doesn't have any mechanics though.

Can't forget replays, too.

>>192109539
Well sure preferences, but obviously you have a reason behind it.

>particularly deep

That's not true at all. Are you a Starcraft 2 player?

>>192109106 (OP)

>ASSFAGGOTS
>ever

>>192109106 (OP)
Because the competative scene is 10 years behind league

>>192109838

DotA 2's competitive scene is only getting stronger as time goes on while every LoL event becomes more and more of a trainwreck.

>>192109838

Pumping massive money into your game to claim it's an e-sport doesn't really make it a real competitive game.

See: World of Tanks.

I played LOL about 2-3 years back because it was simple and easy. I tried Dota later but I didn't understand how the game worked so I never gave it a proper shot.

>Literally another troll thread made by LoL players trying to make Dota look like it's full of babies.

I promise /v/, not all LoL players are this braindead.

[Spoiler]Either the above or I am getting rused by a Valve marketer pretending to be a LoL troll, pretending to be a Dota2 marketer... [/Spoiler]

>>192109838

>League
>If your team doesn't win a major tournament you're fucked financially until the next one
>Dota 2
>Constant tourneys throughout the season to give teams a chance to practice more, get exposure, and help themselves financially

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>>192110149

>[Spoiler][/Spoiler]

>>192109106 (OP)

>better creativity

there is no creativity in either game

>>192110149

please don't hate me I'm on my phone and I normally just do the highlight thing for spoilers...

>>192109838
How so? Dota 2 has tournaments daily (which means teams dont break up just because they didn't qualify for TI3 unlike LoL and the LCS) where as LoL has a shitty weekly tournament that only runs part of the year. It's a more passive game, the live finals for their big tournament is shittier (cheating scandal), no replays, shittier spec mode (STATS MOTHERFUCKA) and so on.

>>192110083
Give it a shot. I agree Dota needs a tutorial, though. A better one.

played LoL for like 2-3 years as well. it got gay after a while and i decided to try this "Dota" with the beta invite.

this game was a lot harder to learn at the time. made my first 100 matches a pain for myself and my team-mates. but overtime, i decided that it was a superior game in many, many ways.

harder lurning curve = less noobs to fuck the game up for you. and it feels less "kiddy" like LoL does.

>>192109106 (OP)

Because its community is much less cancerous than dota2s, they dont go and spam threads about how better they are for playing another game.

Also, if I want to play dota I just go on Garena and play it with oldfags, not cykas and valvedrones.

>>192110704
So you don't play a blatantly superior game because the /v/ community is full of retards.

In game they're all the same as LoL. Prolly better, too, considering players get muted quick for being asshats.

>>192110704
>much less cancerous

Haha good one

Too bad that has nothing to do with gameplay

>>192110380

Dota has a tutorial though.
Playing with bots and pressing buttons.
Then when you are satisfied you go press buttons against real people, and your team will yell tips at you.

>>192110574
You realize that if your good at either game you don't have to deal with idiots because of matchmaking.

>>192110895
>>192110919

Community is everything in a team based game.

Also, why would I play with the retards when I can play on Garena?

>>192111175
>Community is everything in a team based game.

That's your opinion, and a blatantly wrong one

>>192111175
There are retards on Garena, too. And you're playing Dota 1, which is infinitely inferior to Dota 2.

>>192110574
>harder lurning curve = less noobs to fuck the game up for you. and it feels less "kiddy" like LoL does

I'm a DOTA player but that's the opposite actually. A random noob can fuck your game hard.

LoL is more fun than dota 2
fun as in more dopamines and endorfines released into my system.. Its not that I dont like dota2 or anything. I played LoL first and I'm pretty good at it so I don't feel the urge to play dota2 where I have to learn a lot of other things..

Yes dota and LoL are that different..

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More streamlined mechanics. Yes, this is not always a bad things.

Dota2 is filled with a shit-ton of arcane mechanics that are no longer necessary, like turn speed and denying.

League is more forgiving, yeah yeah, hurr durr casual, but when I am playing a game online, I don't want to have to feel stressed, Dota2 is a more stressful game compared to League due to its punishing mechanics.
If you get caught out of position is league, there is a way to salvage the situation. If you get caught even slightly out of position in Dota you may as well just surrender.

I also find the champion design more to my liking in League, though there are a few from Dota2 that I liked (like Lina)

Dota2 certainly has some nice things going for it, like the lack of needing to grind, and always having all champions available, but those don't matter much if I don't like the gameplay.

Also, the amount of screen you can see in Dota2 at any given time bothers me.

I can't find a Dota hero that I like. I don't like mechanics like turning speed, they feel unresponsive when games should respond instantly in my opinion. I don't want to learn another 100+ heroes and items. I don't like Dota's artstyle.

>>192110969
What funny is that the Vs. bot mode is actually harder to get started with because dota 2 bots will fuck you up if you're even slightly out of position.

I've told people that the Bots are harder to play against that League's bots and I recommend never bothering with bots and just going into the real stuff first off.

>>192111175
Garena has more retards than eurobattle.

>>192111373

>And you're playing Dota 1, which is infinitely inferior to Dota 2.

its the same way except with valvefaggotry

>>192111524

>no longer necessary

How is making gameplay more in-depth and difficult not necessary?

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I like the characters better, I like the art better, I like the colors better. I always hated denying and turn speed in wc3 so I don't give a shit about that, the game also just feels smoother. I still play dota 2 with my real life friends sometimes though, too bad they're terrible at mobas in general

>mfw then told they could get to diamond in league just because they play dota 2 a lot

For a real, non-troll answer. I like the champions in League more, as well as the items. Dota2's gameplay feels slower and sluggish to me. I think that losing gold on death is a bad game mechanic, its not fun and it punishes mistakes too harshly.

So yeah, League is more casual than dota2 is, and that in my opnion makes it the better game. I started enjoying league within a few games of starting, and I've been trying to enjoy dota2 for several months, it simply hasn't happened.

Well, former lol player (400 games)
I started by lol, so by the time I managed to get a Dota 2 key, I knew a lot lol. I tried Dota 2 but, it seems a lot harder to learn (all the new champions, there's more active-item, similar game but different playstyle). And the community was know for being elitist.

I didnt have the will to go and learn Dota 2 while I already knew LoL.

The biggest thing that make me say Dota 2 seems better is : free access to every champion / features right off the bat.
Farming ip for lol champ is stupid, plus all the new boring champ every 2 weeks while nerfing fun champ....

I grew bored of lol, and probably moba in general.

matchmaking is pure suffering in dota2
soloqueueing and even duoqueueing is terrible, you may end up facing a 5 man stack. How is this fair?

I still like dota2 more

>>192109106 (OP)
okay I have actually tested dota and here is what happened

>wait for 10 mis

No I think you did not understand this

>solo q for the first time
>thinking nothing bad is gonna is gonna happen
>HAVE TO WAIT 10 FUCKING MINUTES FOR A GAME
>game gets canceled
>WTF
>wait another 5 min
>GAME GETS CANCELED AGAIN
>wait another 5 minutes
>finally get into game
>play for the first time yet I am the only one that did not die by the 5 minute mark
>game ends at 12 minutes
>waited 20 mins for a 12 minute game

yes so this did actually happen when I tried dota2 for the first and last time. What the fuck are you guys doing playing a game where you have to wait longer for a game than you actually PLAY the fucking game?

seriously fuck this dead game

>>192109838
But how does that help you play the game? (I presume you are not part of competitive scene of LOL). Legit question.

>>192111524
>If you get caught out of position is league, there is a way to salvage the situation. If you get caught even slightly out of position in Dota you may as well just surrender.

And yet in LoL, if you're down ten kills at the 15 minute mark, you aren't coming back.

DotA 2 is infinitely easier to come back if you have the skill and patience to do so.

>>192111572
>I don't like mechanics like turning speed
You get used to it after like 3 games. That's silly. And it has balance implications, too. You don't get kited in Dota just because of that.

Other than that cunt Drow, anyway.

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It's casual. It has heroes/champions that I like. I have friends. I can find chill people to play with. I enjoy how simple the game is.

I don't need complex mechanics to have fun.

>>192110149
>rused
Yeah, no.

My friends play LOL, that's it.

>>192111524
>I also find the champion design more to my liking in League, though there are a few from Dota2 that I liked (like Lina)

So all you want to do is play as so kawaii desu~ girls?

I play HoN. Memelands 2 MOBA edition. It's fucking horrible.

I only play local bot games, since I can't stand the community.

>Bigger map+large mana costs+ having to buy teleport scrolls+deny mechanic= More time spent farming in lane using tangos and salves rather than dualing with abilities
>Focus on who stuns who first rather than tons of champions having high mobility
>Despite the shitty practice of having to grind for it talent trees add some nice variety such as whenever the support AAs an enemy champion they get 3 gold.
>I've never met a friend or coworker who plays or wants to play Dota 2. They all play LoL and playing these games alone is suffering.
>Longer time waiting in queue just to be paired with russians who run straight into the enemy team.

In Dota's defense the business model is much better, no runes which is great because they are fucking stupid, every hero available from the start, and profit driven by cosmetics. I just can't get into Dota 2 because it feels slow and awkward and playing alone is ass.

>>192109106 (OP)
I feel like I have more influence on the result of the game no matter what lane I go, whereas in Dota the game can be lost by one feeder bot. At least in LoL feeders have diminishing returns.

Additionally I like burst casters and scaling abilities, and while it might not seem like a problem to Dota players, 25% chance missing up hill does have an impact on gameplay.

>>192111524
>Also, the amount of screen you can see in Dota2 at any given time bothers me.

I play dota2 and I agree with this part.

The screen space made me feel claustrophobic when I started off. And still does to a degree.

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Dota 2 may be better than League, but Dota 2 is still absolute garbage.

I say this with 700 hours played and a 53% win rating before you faggots turn on those /vg/-connected shitpost faucets the fact you would judge people based on this to begin with shows how awful your game is. Even Call of Duty players stop using prestige as a crutch in arguments.

>>192111830
I've played around 20 bot matches, 5 or so this week. It still feels clunky to me.

computer cant handle dota 2

>>192111703
>I think that losing gold on death is a bad game mechanic, its not fun and it punishes mistakes too harshly.
But remember that it punishes the opponents just as heavily. And thanks to the decrease in cost efficiency the more expensive the item and no magic damage scaling (AP is it?), you can easily turn the tide of a game with a few focused kills. In LoL there is no coming back, especially competitive play.

I still play both and I've got plenty of friends who play both too. I guess it really just comes down to personal preference, some like one to the other or like both.

>>192111821
That completely depends on your team comp. Even with pros early game team comps can WRECK early, get all the towers baron etc and still lose because the enemy team has a better late game, this happens often when the losing teams ad carry is trist or vayne

>>192112041
Probably because you're still playing LoL at the same time. You get used to it and its better for the game anyway.

They're both pretty shit to be honest.

Because I don't have to try my very hardest every game in order to win. It's a casual game I can play with friends and not give a fuck about the consequences of winning or losing.

Dota is tryhard central and filled with ragers and BRs. The introduction of your garbage ass report system didn't help things much either

>>192111821

Thats bullshit. You can come back AND you have to play so badly to be ten kills behind at 15 that you deserve to lose anyway.

>>192111830

Its like saying you can get used to shitty mechanics.

Usually, they got introduced to it first, they are used to it, and their friends play it. The perceived benefits don't outweight the cost of transitioning. LoL is good enough for spending time with friends for them, so they have a lot of fun, even if another game might be better.

Others have money invested and don't want to get buyer's remorse.

For a big part of the player base, they actually consider the gameplay and artstyle comparable due to shit taste. Those poor souls are beyond salvation.

>>192111992
I would like to add, I don't like losing a game at the 20 minute mark then having to wait on average 15-30 minutes for the game to end because it is so hard to make any god damn headway at any level of play in Dota.

>>192112172
Why do I always see the argument theres no coming back in league yet comebacks happen all the goddamn time?

Every hero is a grimdark edgy demon from the tryhard dimension

The game as a whole is way too grimdark and edgy

The screen feels too zoomed in, but that's just because I'm used to LoL

The minimap is in a stupid damn place, and missclicking is the most annoying thing ever

Pressing "space" doesn't centre on my currently selected character. Why? Every RTS/MOBA of the last five years has done this.

Turning speed... I don't like it. I understand this adds depth to the mechanics and requires more thinking, but I really hate games which have a delay on what, to my mind, should be instant reactions. Probably because of my addiction to the age of empires series.

The announcer also sounds fucking retarded. Yes, I know there are announcer packs. No, I'm not going to pay ten pounds for a voiceover.

Having ability heroes that don't scale is also weird. Being relegated to a semi-support role unless you play agility based carry seems restrictive to me.

Oh, and my friends who play LoL are considerably less obnoxious than the DOTA2 players. They don't have this stupid fucking sense of superiority. Y'know, kinda like the OP.

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>>192112440
They don't. 92% of matches are won at the 12 minute mark.

Here's a good image macro.

>>192112440

Those aren't comebacks, just throws. Keeping an advantage in League is so easy because there isn't any way to deny resources from the enemy.

>>192111796
what servers where you looking for a game on.

Myself I can only ever play on East NA due to poor internet.

But I've never had to wait more than 7 minutes for a game which to me is perfectly acceptable

In fact given that myself I can only really play from 10pm to 4am est I think that that's a pretty good time to wait.

Seems like you just had a poor luck of the draw.

Or a bunch of russians on your time.

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>>192112352
>You can come back AND you have to play so badly to be ten kills behind at 15 that you deserve to lose anyway.

One player can have zero deaths but two (on his team) can have seven each. Somehow that guy, and the other two besides him who didn't die, "deserve" to lose?

>>192112453
>Every hero is a grimdark edgy demon from the tryhard dimension
Techies, Meepo, Ogre etc

list goes on

Because I think Ziggs is cute, and he's fun to play.

>>192109106 (OP)
It's mainly because I've already spent so much time learning the items, builds, and characters. I can understand that DotA 2 has much more depth and probably better gameplay, but I've already fallen into the League niche.

Plus my friends refuse to migrate.

because I'm going to hit challenger and my streamviewers would be pissed if I start to play dota2.

>>192112615

>some random nobody with no sources

Yeah, right.

>>192112639

>push him away from the minions making him lose CS

Its the most basic things you learn in LoL.

Because LoL is just easier. Its easy to teach to friends and it is really laid back. Dota is simply too much farming and denying when I want more team fights.

>>192112737
yes
team game 5vs5 I wont say no more

>>192112453
forgot to add:

Having it possible for one player to carry the game is the worst thing ever for inexperienced players. Games become a lottery of "who gets the MOBA veteran."

>>192112615
That picture is fundamentally wrong on so many levels I can't even begin to think why you would post that.

But let's start with the basis. The fact all you need to do is kill one guy in Dota kind of diminishes any sort of lead you can make. But if you do this in LoL to the most fed enemy, you can still turn around the teamfight and kill the last four guys if they're ahead.

tl;dr
That pic was made by a retard.

Russians.

League is easier to get into and I can play it with my friends. I've played DoTA 2, and I can see why people prefer it.
I gave two friends of mine Dota 2 invites
one of them played the game for a while and then started playing league. As far as I know he still plays Dota every so often
The other friend hardly plays the game but refuses to install LoL because he insists that Dota is superior

>>192109106 (OP)
i quit lol and am now playing smite. dota 2 was not around when i was still playing lol, hon was, and id say its pretty similar to dota 2, the community on hon was fucking terrible in comparison to lol, people flipping their shit because youre new to the game and are learning. i played dota 2 after quitting lol and it had an even worse community than hon. if the community doesnt want noew plays, im not gonna give them one by sticking with it, those assholes can enjoy rejecting all new players as they watch their community slowly shrink and die for all i care. i have a lot more fun playing smite now anyway, community isnt nearly as ragey, all abilities and attacks are skillshots, i like how it feels more actiony and is in 3rd person, plus its faster paced.i will not be returning to lol, i will not be giving hon or dota 2 another chance, and im sure ill be leaving smite once it starts to grow its community because ive never seen a mobas community get bigger without becoming exponentially shittier.

>>192112615
yet all the time team will be down 10+ kills before the 20 minute mark and still win because they held on for 30 minutes and their ad carry got farmed. You see this at all levels of play, tournaments low levels etc.

>>192112737

Yes. Its a team game.

>>192112737
>Play in a team game
>Play with random people
>End up in a bad team
He deserves to lose.

If he wanted to win in a team game without a premade team, then he shouldn't be playing a team game.

I started playing LoL a while ago out of interest. I like it, although I mostly play it because it doesn't require a ton of time or effort. Everything else I'm playing right now requires a decent time investment, like New Vegas and The Dark Project, not the kind of stuff I can just play for an hour before I go to work or while I'm watching tv.

I tried Dota 2 and didn't like it instantly. It just felt weird in comparison. I've heard Dota 2 is deeper and more complex, and harder to get into. I'm sure if I gave Dota 2 some time, and maybe I will at some point, I'd like it, I usually prefer the deeper more complex stuff with alternate ways to play and ways to experiment and all that shit, but the entire reason I play LoL is for something mindless I can sink time into when I'm bored or don't have the time to play something else, doesn't make sense to replace it with something like Dota.

Like I said, might give it another shot sometime, but for now LoL is exactly what I need.

>>192112172
Spending time dead is already a punishment. You lose experience, farm, and the potential to get money for kills. Losing your money on top of that is excessive.

Comes backs happen in both games. A few deaths at poor times can cause a game to snowball out of control either way. Losing your money on top of that, is just pouring salt on the wound.

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>>192112615
>It's still season 1!

Why do you DoTAfags still post this garbage?

It hasn't been true for almost a year. Fuck, it wasn't true to begin with, what little premise it had was debunked in weeks.

You gonna post the picture of the guy claiming to be a LoL Pro next? (Hint: That was debunked too)

>>192109106 (OP)
Camera is too low and turn speed makes playing feel really sluggish. Aside from new heroes not different enough to make me interested.

>>192112865

Pushing an enemy out of lane is the only thing you can do. There isn't anything else.

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>>192109106 (OP)

>Balance

>Chance base skills

>better cretivity

MUH SIDES


Both games are shit

>>192112453
>The announcer also sounds fucking retarded.
Meanwhile, LoL announcer.
top lel

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>>192112737
>Team game
>Only cares about individual performance

Why do idiots like you even play these games?

>>192113074
the debunk was debunked

>>192113005
Mechanical stuff is odd with Dota.
I feel like the option camera lock spoiled me, and I never would have imagined anyone complaining about this feature until /v/ did

I wish MOBA faggots would fuck off back to /vg/ where they belong.

I have recently started playing dota and i'm enjoying it so far i have found i like dragon knight

i find LOL better in the aspect that AP is handled alot better in my opinion rather than only scaling with levels

also that shop, maybe im missing something but for someone who doesn't know the items at all that shop is so confusing.

However i do think i will switch over to dota fully eventually

>>192113107
Why does it matter how you stop an enemy farming? The important thing is that you can still do it, it just requires more investment than A-clicking your own minion every once in a while.

>>192112453
>Every hero is a grimdark edgy demon from the tryhard dimension
as opposed to big tit bimbo and super edgy names (replacing i with y etc)

Also, Aatrox. How the fuck is that NOT the most edgy tryhard bullshit ever? It's worse than fucking SHADOW DEMON.

>Pressing "space" doesn't centre on my currently selected character. Why? Every RTS/MOBA of the last five years has done this.
rebind it ya retard. F1 does it, just rebind it.

>Turning speed..
you get used to it just like you get used to LoL's shitty coding and awful client

>The announcer also sounds fucking retarded
they dont sound much different.

>Being relegated to a semi-support role unless you play agility based carry seems restrictive to me.
not true. not all agility heroes are carries, not all int/str are semi-support.

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>>192112453
>Every hero is a grimdark edgy demon from the tryhard dimension

Objectively incorrect.

>The game as a whole is way too grimdark and edgy

Objectively incorrect again.

>The screen feels too zoomed in, but that's just because I'm used to LoL

It's the exact same distance as Warcraft 3. The map on Dota 2 is also far larger overall than League (yes, all the maps.)

>The minimap is in a stupid damn place, and missclicking is the most annoying thing ever

It allows you to easily click the map so you can go somewhere quickly without dragging your mouse up to that location. i.e., rather than drag my cursor to teleport as Prophet, I click the ability and a place on the map.

>Turning speed... I don't like it.

If it wasn't there, ranged heroes would dominate every game. You know, like they do in League. Because of no turn rate.

>The announcer also sounds fucking retarded.

This is an opinion, but the announcer is supposed to be non-intrusive and calm.

>Having ability heroes that don't scale is also weird. Being relegated to a semi-support role unless you play agility based carry seems restrictive to me.

Some heroes are simply early-mid game heroes. Axe is a prime example; his lawnmower ass will kill you early game, but he falls off very quickly and soon becomes little more than a big red aggro magnet. These are the opposite of hard carries, who suck until late game. This is called balance.

>Oh, and my friends who play LoL are considerably less obnoxious than the DOTA2 players.

Both games are full of obnoxious players. You'd be a fool to claim either has a positive community.

>>192113074
>that was debunked too

Actually, someone went ahead and disproved the post in your 'debunking' image.

>>192113151
If you're not sick of the quake announcer then you literally have to be underage.

Seriously that shit has been over-used to a disgusting level.

>>192113280
got banned for shitposting, had to come here sry :/

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>League players think 25% chance means 25% with PRC

>>192113310
Also
>how do i track my CS
>No button to autolock back to champ
>How do i quickly check others item builds

all trivial shit though

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>>192112639
>Hurrr dragon
>Huuurr baron
>Hurr the way the map is positioned
>Hurr inhibitors respawning

For
Fucks
Sake

The ability to not deny a handful of creeps does not change a thing. Keeping an advantage in LoL is about oracles, sight wards and positioning.

And "There's no comebacks" yeah, that explains why I see fucking comebacks every single time I stream some LoL, or anytime I play it.

Baron Steal, People getting caught out, Late game builds hitting overdrive, a hundred fucking things.

You don't understand LoL and if you really think denies are that important I doubt you understand DoTA

Fuck, why don't I just put it simply

"DoTA will never be as good as LoL because it doesn't have smartcasting as a default option"

That is how stupid you sound.
That is what you sound like.

>>192111918
>So all you want to do is play as so kawaii desu~ girls?
Not the guy you replied to, but...yes. Yes I do. I have plenty of serious-looking champions, I like occasionally playing as Lulu or Karma.

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>>192112379
its people like you who make me never want to play DoTA2.
LoL might be filled with fruity faggots, but none of them have this unwarranted self importance like DoTA players.
Its funny half the fucking players never probably even played the original.

>>192112912
Except that isn't true. One kill does not make a comeback unless it was at a critical time (which works for both games).

>>192113074
Wrong.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=343759

That was June 2012. Not even a year ago, moron.

>>192113320

Its the dotard thinking. They think that actively fighting, getting into good trades and zoning the enemy away from lasthits is somehow less skillled that sometimes clicking on your minions to kill them.

>>192113320

Denying isn't the only way to deny gold and exp from the enemy.

It matters because there is no creep control in league. You can't control lanes like you can in Dota.

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>>192112883
>>192112952
>>192112987
>>192113191

Okay, let me make something totally clear.

Let's say you have the New York Yankees, right? Well, let's say baseball puts affirmative action into play and the New York Yankees must have a six month old infant at second base. Obviously it can't play baseball, bat or do anything sensible. Replace the baby with a Russian and it's probably still totally relevant.

Do the Yankees deserve to lose because of this baby just because baseball is a "team" game? Or should something change and they get rid of the fucking baby?

>>192109106 (OP)
faster, the people who want to play already know the heroes and shit, less rng, better itemization/ability to become stronger no matter who you're playing aside from the lack of actives.

when you're playing a shitty genre like this and you're playing solo queue or matchmaking, there is zero fun in not being able to grow strong enough to carry yourself no matter who you're playing.

i don't like carries, i like mages. in dota, mages don't fucking carry. the longer the game goes on, the weaker your spells get comparatively unless they're cc.

i also don't like rng at all, it has no place in any competitive game.
hero design and ability variation is much better though.

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>My elder Titan's face when bad players that aren't even in high tier have opinions

>>192109106 (OP)
None of my friends play dota 2, so I stick with LoL

>>192113586
This
90% of Dota threads on /v/ seem to revolve around hating LoL.
/vg/ is the only board where you can really talk about either

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Former LoL player here.
I have 1900+ normal games.
I became desensitized from satisfaction in LoL.
LoL just became boring and I stomp games most of the time. It feels like I'm gonna get sick after each game.
I returned to Dota 2 having past experiences and play SF/Invoker and it feels good.
On a side note, my last hitting skills in DotA made me a farming god in LoL.

>>192113685

Yeah they fucking deserve to lose. Its a team effort. Either everyone wins or everyone loses. The "but atleast I did well!" mindset is the most cancerous of all

>>192113637
creep control is huge in league though, you need to know when and how to push or you will get destroyed in cs and butt raped the enemy jungler

>>192113586
...and half of DoTA players never played Warcraft 3 in any online capacity whatsoever except for DoTA.

If the history of MOBAs was a book it'd be called "50 Shades of Fag."

>>192113596
It's 2 weeks off a year, and pro games aren't very relevant. You can't expect teams in solo queue to be as co-ordinated as them.

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The attitude of Dota players makes me not want to play Dota.

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>>192113851

The Yankees deserve to be fucked over because the commission said "you guys have a high winrate, we're going to have to put this baby on your team?" You're deluded.

>Dota2 players continually complain about LoL
>When LoL players attempt to play Dota2, they complain about how LoL people are playing Dota2

Which is it? Do you want us to play or not?

>>192113685
That analogy doesn't work because it is implying that they couldn't have had their own team beforehand.

Like in team games on the internet, if you're playing without a full premade team then it's your fault that you ended up getting shit players in there.

If the Yankees was missing a few teammates and they had to fill the slots with random people and ended up with a russian and a baby, then that's their fault.

They weren't complete so they're in the wrong and deserve their losses.

dota 2 announcer is fair bad too
>SHIT BRAH YOU GOT A FUCKING PENTAKILL
>HOLY SHIT BRAH, DOUBLE KILL
>GOD DAMN DAMN DAMN YOU KILLED ROSHAMBO

>>192113560
>Hurrr dragon
6 min respawn, gives a measly 190 gold and some experience. Just no.

>Huuurr baron
The enemy has map control, can do it faster due to a statistical advantage and is warded at basically all times. The buff can turn a fight around, but it won't stop a team with a massive gold lead from stomping.

>Hurr the way the map is positioned
Yeah, blue side wins a lot more games than purple. Good argument.

>Hurr inhibitors respawning
The one point you got right.

>>192113560
also, bear in mind that there are a handful of champions that are DESIGNED to work well with those comebacks - see lux/ashe/ezreal's ultimates for baron/dragon stealing, fiddle's ult for last minute tower defence.

>>192114021
wat
just leave the default announcer

>>192112920
smitefag go home

>>192113560
>Denying isn't important
>I have no evidence to say otherwise
>HURR DURR BRAINDEAD FUCKS I KNOW BECAUSE I PLAY BOTH GAMES AND YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND THEM!
>DoTA
Yeah, you're smart

>>192113861
But it's huge in Dota 2, too. Except it's more complex. The sheer fact you can block creeps by stutter stepping in front of them to pull them closer to your tower makes it harder than LoL's creep control.

LoL's creep control is just zoning, which rarely happens because sustain is so stupid in that game.

>>192113948

That never happens. You never get a bronze as a diamond and if you cant deal with one bad out of five you arent as good as you thought. Also, ranked teams count, soloQ is just a side dish.

>>192113861

>Creep control is huge.
>There are 0 creep control options.

lol.
You don't know what I mean when I say creep control. There is nothing like neut pulling in League. You cannot make the enemy's creep push to your tower on purpose in League. They have to fuck up the equilibrium and push your lane.

>>192111796
>game ends at 12 minutes
Hahaha, sure it did kid. Care to share the match number?

>>192113560
And I don't think you understand how League of Legends works. Fuck off, your opinion is cancerous

>>192109106 (OP)
Because DotA doesn't work on my shitty ass laptop.

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I play both.
I've spent at least 800$ on League and I've recently got into Dota2 more, and intend to spend some money on that for the cosmetics.

>>192114224

>he cant creepcontrol without denying
>0/10 SHIT GAME

yeah right

>>192114213
>You never get a bronze as a diamond

This literally happens a few times every time Dendi streams. It happens in Purge streams too, and he's supposed to be highest bracket.

>>192111590

Dota2 bots are harder in a realistic way so to speak, they gank and punish you for making mistake or over extending, meanwhile LoL bots cheat, at the min 40 mark all of them have a full build complete, doesn't matter if the bot is 0/20/0.

>>192114224
The creep control options in LoL exist in Dota as well, so while it does have some it applies to Dota as well. You have zoning and... that's it. You can freeze a lane by tanking creeps, but you can do that in Dota as well. Hell you can bring it closer by DENYING.

>>192113310

There are a lot of scaling casters in doto too. The fact that they scale in different ways is even more interesting. An intelligence hero might not scale almost at all, another might scale with intelligence as a stat, another might scale with straight mana pool (Leshrac) or mana regen (Storm Spirit) or with specific activatable items that permit them to fullfil their role better. And because of that, building up a character is more interesting, matchups are more interesting etc.

>>192113586
>>192113560
You should try and learn grammar so it's not so easy to tell when you're posting the same fucking thing. THE does not need to be capitalized you fruity fucked

>>192109106 (OP)
Because I've played over 4000 games of dota(WC3) and the new artsyle is shit. Also LoL is too easier and I am at a higher level community there.

>>192114418

Denying is only one way of creep control out of a few, and the most basic.

"lol I don't hit creep with skill :)" isn't creep control.

>>192114418
What are LoL's creep control options?

You can't pull neutrals, you can't creep block, you can't deny, no orbwalking.

You have zoning, which Dota has. And freezing the lane, which Dota has.

LoL player here. Considering giving DotA a shot just because of how lazy and shitty Riot has gotten lately. Is it really worth investing the time to learn 100 more heroes, items, etc.? The game is visually gorgeous and looks fun but I'm not sure if it's worth the time...

>>192113586
>>192113874
Same fagging SOO hard. Learn how to fucking write

>>192114049
950 gold overall can buy quite a few wards to help you catch the other team. It's also 950 gold that the enemy team won't get. Baron buff is worth around 5000 gold if you're playing a champion that can make use of all the stats. It can make quite a big difference.

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Honest question, DotAfriends.

Why do you play DotA over 300 Heroes? I'm just curious the reasoning. Fun without explaining is not a response.

To me 300 Heroes is just flatout better. Completely ignoring the better creativity, it has Shrek. There's nothing to argue ogre, DotA is just worse.

So why do you play LoL?

>>192114617
Creep control in league is about pushing or letting the enemy push, it has more to do with getting ganked though

>>192114672
I play HoN

Dota 2 runs like shit on my computer.
And ARAM is pretty fun sometimes.

>>192114672

To be fair, Dota has a two-headed blue shrek who shoots fireballs. He is the most skill-oriented hero in the game.

>>192114672
Those warcraft III custom models

>>192114630
Yes.

>>192114650
But it RARELY works out like that. Theoretically, yes, but the problem is items are cheap and cost efficient in LoL so it negates the objectives that can turn the game around.

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>>192112615
>duh champions am too similar
>annie vs. annie

no shit vladimir

>>192114745

It's the same thing in DotA, except the enemy team can ~make~ it unsafe for you to farm, instead of just waiting for the creep equilibrium to shift into position.

>>192114224
>if it's not in dota it's shit

This is why I hate DOTA fans. They seriously think that is an valid argument.


Tanking minions is much more viable at low levels, you can run behind enemy tower holding them, letting low hp minions live so they can push, etc.

>>192114672
i know a lot of pro players are making the change just for shrek

>>192114842
are you really saying baron can't change a game around? Sometimes its not even getting the buff, its killing the enemy while they try to baron or clearing all the wards and baiting them

What do you guys think about Sing Sing?

>>192114937
and the enemy team can't make it unsafe to farm in league? fuck why do other lanes, the jungler and pink wards even exist

>>192115060
You can not and should not determine what a come back in game play context is based on mistakes.

I Sometimes play Dota2 but I prefer LoL because I like the design characters and the art style, some of Dota I like it (Dat juggernaut, Bloodseeker, Tusk). But the Dota2 Style is more like goblin for me.

>>192115060
I'm saying it can, but it rarely works out that way. The team who goes for Baron is usually ahead in gold and objectives, thus giving them map control. Not to mention the item advantage. Riot thinks end game items should be the most cost efficient.

>>192114942
When you try to act like LoL is deeper than Dota 2 in any aspect then yeah that's the response you'll get.

>>192114942

>If it isn't in Dota.
Creep cutting is in Dota. It doesn't deny the enemy experience, just makes last hitting harder.

You also can't pull all the creeps you're tanking into the jungle so you can gain a level advantage in your lane.

>>192114672
trees

>>192115191

Every team makes mistakes. In fact, most teamfigths happen becasue someone has made a mistake in positioning.

>>192114672
The only reason anyone on /v/ is even remotely interested in that game is for ironic reasons. They all think the le epic shrek maymay is so fanny xDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

>>192113617
Except the point is that in dota you have to juggle the two activities. In LoL, the support harasses while the carry afk farms.

I play both.


>L0L "no pun intended" YOU PLAY A DIFFERENT GAME
>FROM THE SAME GENRE
>BUT 2 DIFFERENT CREATIVE PROCESSSELFOSESE
>I'LL STILL ACT LIKE I'M SUPERIOR FOR PLAYING A
>GAME THAT I THINK IS BETTER THAN YOURS

Keep arguing like 10 year olds, You're being very logical.

>>192109106 (OP)
LoL is has more complex mechanics while dota2 is just WC3
LoL favours aggressive play with dota favours passive play
LoL has better balance
LoL has a bigger tourney scene
LoL has more depth
LoL has better designed champions
LoL doesn't have an over reliance on RNG and what little they do have is getting phased out
dota2 is archaic and not fun to play

>>192115185

Not like in DotA, no. Mirrored lanes, stronk towers and fewer creep control options make the game passive as fugg

>>192115514

>LoL favors aggressive play.
>Scaling towers, mirrored lanes and mirrored jungles.

l
o
l

>>192115494

>the support harasses while the carry afk farms.

this is what dotards actuall believe

>>192109106 (OP)
>Implying anyone gives a shit about your shitty troll thread

I want DotA 2 to implode and suck all of the code that made it work away with it just so I don't have to constantly hear how much more grand sucking on that dick is as compared to LoL's dick.

Stockholm Syndrome

this is the most civilized discussion of dota2 vs league I have ever seen

>>192113617
What you just listed happens in Dota as well. Except you're trying to last hit (which is harder), deny (doesn't exist in LoL), watch the clock to know when to pull neutrals (doesn't exist in LoL), watch the clock to know when to stack neutrals (doesn't exist in LoL), knowing what camps will kill your wave thus not needing to be stacked (doesn't exist in LoL) and watch for ganks (which is harder due to the way vision works in Dota).

Oh and you actually have to manage your mana. Ever see someone buy a mana pot in LoL?

Me either.

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>>192114021
Care to remind me what announcer has those lines? Because I can't recall ANY of them saying that.

>>192115514
>LoL is has more complex mechanics while dota2 is just WC3

top lel

WC3's mechanics and engine is way ahead of LoL's. You can't even destroy trees in LoL.

I think Dota 2 is a much better game and I prefer it, but a lot of my friends still play LoL and I have fun when I play with them.

>>192115652
>Seriously thinking it doesn't
>Loltowerrs

People tower dive at level 2, ohgodthey'resopowerful!

Mirrored lanes and mirrored jungles don't do anything to stop agressive play.

You're either retarded or trolling.

>>192114893

You must be literally retarded.
He's making a point, not saying that same heroes are the same. The average matchup in DotA consists of heroes as different as those 2 LoL examples given, while the average matchup in LoL is much closer to being a mirror match.

>>192113805
> I'm going to pretend it isn't the other way around

>>192115860

>he thinks you dont have to manage mana in LoL

also, cystalline flask

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>get given a DOTA 2 invite
>try playing as Meepo
>everything going dandy, I'm helping (I think)
>suddenly this Bounty Hunter somehow keeps one-shotting me
>lose the match because he's ganking everyone

Are matches not balanced or what

Because if I keep getting spawnkilled with little to no room to actually learn how to play I'm not going to enjoy this game

>>192115514
I really won't touch on any points save the fact that League of Legends actually operates on an engine that at its core is essentially the warcraft III engine...

>>192115514
Dota 2 is has more complex mechanics
Dota 2 favours aggressive play with LoL favours passive play
Dota 2 has better balance
Dota 2 has a better tourney scene
Dota 2 has more depth
Dota 2 has better designed heroes
Dota 2 has a very small amount of RNG, just like LoL.
LoL is simple and not fun to play.

>>192116002
Actually they do because each team has a safe lane and a suicide lane. Ganks are easier on the enemy team's suicide lane.

>>192115903
Or control more than one unit.

Yes, let that sink in.

LoL's engine is SO FUCKING BAD that they don't have the TECH to CONTROL MULTIPLE UNITS. IN AN RTS GAME.

Games from the fucking SEVENTIES had the tech to control multiple units. LoL has been out FOR YEARS. And they STILL DON'T HAVE THAT TECH.

>>192116067
You don't. TPing back is free and due to the fact the base and lanes are smaller you get back in time if you push out.

>>192115304
>try to act like LoL is deeper than Dota 2 in any aspect

lel
What are heroes using energy or cd-only or hp for spells. What is average of 4 active spells that often have more than one aspect to them + additional passive. What are summoner spells which make early game fights more complex.

>>192116139

>Playing meepo your first game

no.
Go play Sniper or something.

>>192110574
Faggots like you killed overstrike. Fuck you cunt.

>>192114213
DOHOHOHOHOHOH

This happens on pro streams you fucking Valvedrone.

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Dota 2 has a better style rather than bright colors and tits everywhere.
Dota 2 also has "bigger" abilities even compared to their LoL counterparts. Dota 2 has abilities that can change entire games, LoL on the other hand does not.

>>192111703
>>192111687
>>192111842

I know what you guys mean. I mean DOTA doesnt have any boobies or hot babes. Bunch of ugly monster and shit. I like the art style of LOL so much more. besides fuck valve, Riot started from nothing

dota 3/10

lol 9/10
would fap to most fem heroes

LoL is just a better game

>>192113730
> Dat XPM
> Dat GPM

> You
> a good player
pick one and only one

Alright, I'll break it down as subjectively as possible. Yes, subjectively, the things we all base our opinions on, contrary to how most fallacies are formed on the subject. You're not a fucking robot. You have free will and your own, unique set of standards derived from a life of experiences. You're not a robot. Stop with this 'X is objectively better than Y' bullshit.

Having logged over 300 hours on DoTA 2 and played DoTA 1 for most of my high school years, I can say there are things I enjoy in the genre. Saying that, what pulls me from one MOBA to another tends to be decisions based on the things I DON'T like, rather than the things I do. Why? Well, I guess it's because the MOBA formula doesn't allow for all that much variety, and the things I like about it tend to transfer along without much fuss.

So, thing's I don't like about dota:
>Ricing takes precedence
Always. Too much PVE. 8/10 the game is decided on which team is better farmed.

In LoL, I find myself getting in and out of fights from the moment I get to my lane and worrying fuck all about my CS.

>The average time you spend in a game is an hour or more
Sorry, but you've only got so much time to spend in life. There's only so much of that I'm willing to spend on watching my russian team hopelessly flailing in the shitter.

In LoL there's surrender, and the average game lasts about 30 minutes.

>Strict roles
Dota's roles and item choices are hardwired, and defying them puts your team at a deficit. There are a few cases where you can fuck around and play with obscure builds, but yeah, pretty sure you've never seen a Lich with a Daedalus. Shit like AD soraka and support Lee Sin I've seen and played to various times, and to success.

Thing's I don't like in LoL:

>Lack of QOL features
No pause or remake option is retarded.

>Not all heroes are available
This means that the game will pretty much forever be casual.

And that's about it.

>>192116293
Oh.

I wish there was like a "difficulty" rating or something.

>>192116139

>Try playing as Meepo
>Try
Meepo isn't a hero you "try" to play. You either know how to play him well enough to be effective or you feed. No in between. Picked a bad hero to start with.

>>192116442
>>Ricing takes precedence
>Always. Too much PVE. 8/10 the game is decided on which team is better farmed.
Wrong off the bat. Completely wrong. Just a game today had 51 kills in 25 minutes. I think it was AL vs VP. When was the last time you saw even 10 kills at 25 minutes in LoL?

>>192115653
I've play several hundred games of league as support, and that was basically my entire experience.

>>192116139
>playing meepo as a noob

just stick to lol you idiot.
read some fucking guides on a competitive game before you choose a hard hero

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I really just wish Dota and LoL could get along.
Both games have their positives and negatives, but in the end we both play them for the same reason, and that's to have fun.

>>192116542
He looked like fun. I'm sorry.

>>192116192

>Dota 2 favours aggressive play with LoL favours passive play

>afk in lane, farm and deny for 25 minutes

>agressive play

>>192116139
> Meepo
> First game
> against a bounty hunter

No, just no

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>>192116395

Nigga best be trolling

>>192116591
I never played an ASSFAGGOTS before, how was I supposed to know?

>>192116264

>this is hown bad dotards are

>>192116442
>Dota's roles and item choices are hardwired
Untrue. And even if it were, LoL's lanes are hardwired.

>>192116340
>Dota 2 has a better style rather than bright colors and tits everywhere.
You realize this is history soon. Lot of items with bright ugly modifiers. Lone druid bear with bright purple claws. What the fuck valve, why are the ruining the visual style of the game.

>>192116340

Why does that image have Dota 2 all over it?

>Original Dota devs change to LoL
>Use some of their own ideas
>OMG PLAGIARISM

>>192116650
So what you're saying is not only have you not played the game, you haven't watched one either?

>>192116442

>Strict roles
>Implying shit like support morphling isn't a thing.

You played dota for so long but are such a scrub.

>No pause or remake.
Both in game. You can load/save private games.

>>192112865
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=343759

you are a fucking retard.

>>192116395
>I know what you guys mean. I mean DOTA doesnt have any boobies or hot babes.
Lina and Rylai are alright (Lanaya, too, actually).

But if I wanted to play a clockwork ballerina with a mechanical ball or a magical cat-eared pixie girl or an undead magic swordsman or a thunder thigh-bearing spider lady...Dota 2 offers none of that.

Oookay
here's my two cents
we'll go by the most important stuff for me, League doesn't have as much RNG shit like DotA and the Jungle is better in my opinion
>"the jungle is better? what the fuck, are you retarded?"
Yes, the jungle IS better because, unlike on Dota, there is an constant fight between junglers for experience and farm. Because of the concept of Counter-jungling being much stronger in LoL, the fight between junglers doesn't extend only on the buff-mobs, but also on common mobs around the jungle to Slow/cripple the Enemy Jungle and gain an advantage yourself
I also find that ganking much more pleasurable on LoL than Dota

>>192116264
>RTS
Stop this.
Similar control scheme doesn't always mean similar game.

>>192116842
It is an RTS. It is a subgenre of an RTS.

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>>192116650
>afk in lane, farm and deny for 25 minutes
Yes, please do.