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>>186742558 (OP)
>English or Japanese voices?
Native voices. I can understand both languages and whatever the original team went with is usually (although not 100% of the time) the best, just because the original team worked with the VAs, picked them out and all that. Dubs that happen after the fact, sometimes *long* after the fact, rarely tend to do as well. Also, often dialog is written to depend on quirks of each that don't translate very well.

As a purely economic thing dubs also irritate me because they make games dramatically more expensive then a simple sub, in either direction (though we suffer from it more). That means more games just don't get localized period because a dub requires a certain size audience to make a profit, while a simple sub wouldn't.

I'll admit I'm somewhat biased towards English for Wild West type settings though but that's not a hard or fast rule either. And again, there are always a few rare exceptions to anything.

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>those trees

Did I just time travel back to 2003?

>>186742961

Was Dark Souls originally dubbed in English? Because that's an example of a game I can play in English despite being developed by JPs. The VA fit, unlike the cringe-inducing VA in, say, Persona 3/4. The VA was believable and thus felt natural.

I think it's all down to whether the VA feels natural to the listener.

>>186742558 (OP)
i'd bet my balls that capcom's got an exclusivity deal with M$ and $ony

>>186743212
English. There's no Japanese voice overs.

>>186743098
I just noticed it now. What the fuck? It's literally a 2D image with jaggies.

Consoles really have shitty hardware if they can barely run this game at 720p at a framerate of 20-25.

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>>186743212
>Was Dark Souls originally dubbed in English?
Dark Souls/Demon's Souls was made with English audio, that's the original native option. It's English-only in Japan too, Japanese devs do that once in a while if they think the language fits. And as you saw, it turned out great. An anime example of that would be Vampire Hunter D: Bloodlust.

That's why I say "native/original", not picking one or the other. It's not that one language is better then the other, but whoever actually worked directly with the creators as part of the team is *obviously* going to be at an advantage for quality. Not an absolute advantage, but an advantage.

game?

>>186743709

Well, as a counter-example, wasn't Bebop JP first then EN? The EN felt much more natural to me to be honest, and yes, I've watched both JP and EN audio versions.

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>Those fucking trees
Capcom is the stupidest fucking company for not giving this a PC port

>>186743615
Just Cause 2 has the same shitty 2D trees, retard. Fuck off.

>>186744171
fuck off jit.

>>186743967
Yeah, another great example is Baccano. It doesn't apply 100% as he said, but I agree that more than often the original voice work is more well produced.

>>186744105
shut up pirate

>>186742558 (OP)
>those trees in the background

I mean come on, even CoD looks better than this game.

>>186743967
I said like 4 times there are rare exceptions. I also said I'm somewhat in favor of English in Wild West situations and despite being space Cowboy Bebop was definitely that. FWIW I enjoyed the dub on Outlaw Star just fine too. But *usually* dubs are worse, and it doesn't help that other countries tend to have a smaller VA talent pool to choose from too. And note I said other countries, plural: don't think this shit is any better in Spanish or French or something either.

>>186744105
Capcom hates money, or at least whoever was in charge of DD.
>Multiplayer? FUCK NO
>PC? NOOOOOPE
>Money? I HATE money!

>>186743784
Boku no Dark Souls

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It's funny how Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate looks better and runs at a better framerate on WiiU/3DS than Dragon's Dogma despite running on the same engine.

Sure Dragon's Dogma is open world, but look at how bad the fucking details are. The trees aren't even 3D in OP's picture and the 2D images still have immense jaggies. I don't even think Dragon's Dogma runs at the full 1280x720 internal resolution, but at a downscaled resolution which is upscaled similar to Dark Soul's.

It's absolutely fucking disgusting how outdated consoles. This is how you know that we've been in this console generation for far too long when games can't even render in proper HD and still suffer bad framerate issues.

>>186744338
Look at this bitter consolebaby

I would probably buy this game at full price, day 1, if it came out on PC. Granted the port wasn't terrible.

>>186744338
You have to admit though,

DD would be amazing with some mods.

>>186743967
>>186744273
>>186744416
economic angle always true too. dubbing adds costs, doesnt matter for big sellers and mainstream but for niche it can make companies not bother

>>186744582
mod name then?

>>186744562
Multiplayer on consoles? Wouldn't work out.
PC? All PCfaggots do is pirate, especially Capcom games. Look at DMC.

They make more money on consoles than PC alone. It's not worth the extra resources and amount of ass kissing they have to do in order to gain the PC crowd.

>>186744596
I really think DD is a case of super lazy development.

I mean, there are actually older PS3/Xbox games that look better than this, and we are talking about Crapcom.

>>186744562
Yes, Dragon's Dogma could be the next Dark Souls, or at least a beloved cousing of it, but Capcom keeps on being capcom.

>>186744762
DD could have rivaled Skyrim if they had some mod support.

The base game is a million times better than Skyrims base gameplay.

>>186744171
But JC2 has a stable framerate.

This dosent.

>>186744562
Dragon's Dogma doesn't need multiplayer. Christ.

>>186744762
>Dragon's Dogma could be the next Dark Souls
Please no.

I don't want to come to this board to see "THOSE KIDS" posting about how Dragon's Dogma is the best thing to ever happen to PC since Dark Souls and drone on about it.

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This nigga right here saved the dub of Nier single-handedly. Jus saiyan.

>>186744719
>Multiplayer wouldn't work out
Why not? PC shit aside this is a single player monster hunter game.
>>186744862
But yes, yes it does. The game is boring as shit and they intentionally said no to one of the few things that could have improved it.

>>186744762
>Dragon's Dogma could be the next Dark Souls
You mean how PCfags will ruin the second game and rely on Totalbiscuit to petition it?

LETS MAKE LIKE 30 MORE THREADS

WE CAN'T HAVE TOO MANY AT ONCE

IT'S TOO HARD TO ACTUALLY POST IN EXISTING THREADS

THAT'S FOR THEM LEDDIT FAGS LEL

>>186744987
If the game is boring as shit without multiplayer, then why would you even play it in the first place?

It's like people complaining that they like Monster Hunter but refuse to play it solo on 3DS since it has no online.

Jesus Christ.

>>186745028
>>186744912
I guess it was also the jews fault for WW2.

Seriously, I know most PC users are faggots, but stop scapegoating all gaming issues with PC.

Britfag here. Don't get my DA till friday.
What's added?
Worth it?
Giving my base copy to my girlfriend so not *too* dissapointed about buying again

>>186744987
Because then the game would become a "mission transport" style game instead of an open world adventure.

It would become literally a Monster Hunter 4 clone.

>>186745028
>>186744912
Fuck you guys, I'm able to ignore retarded fans and enjoy the game on my own merit. I would love DD on PC and I don't give a fuck about your stupid opinions.

>>186745129
I played it for two hours then returned it. Monster hunter is at least enjoyable. This game was awful, I have no idea why your saying not even giving you the option, which you would obviously refuse, to play online is actually a good thing.
It's just capcom being cheap and lazy.

>>186745223
You can do open world multiplayer. It's been done before and it can be done again.

>>186745338
Name two PC games that do it and it's not an MMO.

>>186745338
Personally I would like multiplayer, but as long as it was just replacing one of your pawns with an actual player for some coop, rather than persistent world or anything.

>>186744830

GEE I FUCKING WONDER IF IT HAS TO DO WITH THE HARDWARE

>>186745178
To be fair you can get it for £13 which isn't a lot for an expansion

>>186745367
Red dead redemption and GTA IV

>>186745178
New dungeon
New monsters
New bosses
100 new pieces of armor
Rings that let you achieve "grand" versions of spells.
More character customizable options

>>186744596
I think Dragon's Dogma is a good game, but it's very obviously been rushed. There are so many flaws that prevent it from being a great game, it's annoying.

>>186745338
Open world multiplayer simply isn't possible on current consoles, it is on PC but Dragon's Dogma will never appear on PC.

Just deal with it.

>>186745424
Those are sandbox, not openworld.
Big difference.

>>186745367
Get off the PC shortbus for a second I'm not bitching about that.

>>186745498
>Open world multiplayer simply isn't possible on current consoles

You're either retarded or trolling, I hope it's the second.

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>>186745546
Oh wow you're just retarded.

>>186745263
Go back to bed MHbaby, DD is way better. I do agree with you on the multiplayer though, that would have been nice.

>>186745424
RDR not a PC game.

>>186745498
Cough GTA Cough RDR Cough lots of other games.

Are you fucking retarded? I think you're fucking retarded

>>186745582
Again, name two console games with open world multiplayer.

Sandbox games like GTA IV and RDR don't count because that's a different style of play. Open world is like Elder Scrolls or Fallout.

>>186745673
I'm not talking about PC games though, you keep bringing that up.

Not a single thread is actually talking about the game, this is rediculous, why is absoloutely everyone shitposting...

Im buying it regardless I just want to see/know whats been added.

>>186745674
SANDBOX GAMES.
Are you fucking retarded to even do basic research and just act on instinct?

>>186745697
Fable.

>>186745754
What the fuck difference is there between DD and GTA. Maps same size, same amount of shit going on. Genre doesn't make a difference you plebian

>>186745754
There's almost no difference. What do you THINK is the difference anyway?
Why would DD sandbox be bad either?

>>186745697
The Fable games.

Now kill yourself.

>>186745734
Well the PC fags want it so they can mod it and fix its issues

Console fags are milking this saying PC ruins everything

And everyone who likes the game is in /vg/ circlejerking over their waifus

>>186745697
Fable, rockstar games, there are plenty and you're just in complete denial.

>>186745734
You have to go to the /vg/ thread if you want actual discussion. And get spoiled in the process

>>186745734
Everyone who bought it is most likely playing it and thus cant post in these shitty threads.

>>186745912
I'm a PC fag with an xbox. It's an amazing game. PC could improve it. In the same way bacon is delicious. A bacon sandwhich with all the toppings is also delicious

>>186745853
GTA Multiplayer's map size is greatly more limited compared to the single player map.

Dragon's Dogma is open world, but not a small but open sand box. If they were to include multiplayer like that, they would have to compromise with a sandbox or mission transport style of play to avoid lag and other problems associated with open world multiplayer gameplay.

>>186746027
And I agree, but there is a lot of people who think the moment something gets ported 1. no one buys it and 2. community turns to shit

Both are just /v/ being bias faggots.

>>186745367
>>186745721

but he asked for PC games

>>186746105
But that's not what we were talking about, he's just being a faggot.

>>186746105
And DD is a conslole game, why would bringing up PC games even matter?

>>186745546
Define that difference then, king of the mongoloids.

>>186746268
im guessing because we want to see a pc port

im getting it this friday anyway, friggin yurop.

>>186745912
I just want to know whats been added, all day and still not a single mention of the new content just PC fags complaing and arguing about how their platform could make it better, yes it would be great if it was on PC but the fact of the matter is, its not. These threads are making me hate master race.

English or Japanese?

English, since I've yet to learn Japanese.
>soon

>>186746431
JUST GOOGLE IT YOU FAG

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>>186745929
>>186745878
>>186745863
>>186745853
>>186745772
/g/entoo here.
Are people really this stupid to not know the difference between a Sandbox and Open World from a game engine's standpoint?

Then again, I'm not surprised since this is /v/.

From an engine standpoint, a sandbox game (Gmod, GTA IV & RDR multiplayer) is a limited box which simulates the feel of open world but is just a closed box where you can fuck around in.

Meanwhile, in a true open world game like Skyrim or Dragon's Dogma, there virtually is no limit. Sure you may have mountains or other environmental hazards to prevent you from going out of bounds, but you can still traverse it and you aren't necessary limited by map size as the game renders the map dynamically compared to a sandbox where the collision and hitboxes are loaded beforehand but loads the textures when the game needs too and usually have invisible walls placed right at the edge of the out of boundaries areas like an ocean or something.

It's a shame that these people here are the ones who think they have a "high" powerlevel and think they know shit, but actually don't.

>>186746268
because it's still an issue. if this was RE6, DMC or justanotherstreetfightergame not a single keyboard jockey would give the slightest fuck about but a 3d action party RPG is a big deal.

>>186746404
I just want fucking multiplayer.

>>186746528
>I didn't play Red Dead Redemption or GTA multiplayer

lel

>/g/entoo here.
This part of your post is worthless and contributes nothing.
I don't see why people need to state what board they are "from".

>>186746496
Nice caps, the reason Ive come here is to get an actual discussion about whats been added, not a review.

Yes I did look, theyve shown nothing I didnt already know.

>new enemies
>items
>areas
>move sets
Nothing has been shown.

>>186746528
>What is fable

>>186746697
>nothing has been shown

It's hilarious you don't know how to use Google.

>>186746528
Fable, bitch.

Are you retarded?

>>186746528
Sorry but coming from another board doesnt automatically make you right. Go choke on a dick.

>>186746774
S-show me master of the internet.

>>186746823
>>186746765
Fable is a sandboxed game.

>>186746528
And I suppose you're going to gloat how only glorious PCs may have open world multiplayer.

>>186746883
http://dragonsdogma.wikia.com/wiki/Dragon%27s_Dogma_Wiki

>>186746909
>>186746824
>>186746823
>>186746765
>>186746679
>h-he insulted me for calling me stupid so I must defend myself!

>>186744826
>A cyclops has started attacking
>Warrior Pawn and thief pawn start slashing and stabbing
>Arisen mage stands back hurling fireballs
>suddenly a griffon joins the fray
>Fight quickly moves up the mountain under tree cover where griffon dive bombs the warriors and the cyclops is beating on the loli pawn
>Arisen readies the Tornado spell
>starts a long chant, then raises arms and unleashes a wind storm the size of a castle
>Ogre is epicenter, griffon gets dragged in from arc of dive bomb
>entire screen is blocked out with wind
>all you can hear is the wind whistling, bones snapping, and cries of all the enemies
>everyone is dead or nearly dead

Got to go I need to play RIGHT NOW

>speak english
>listen to japanese at all
Nope.
They have some of the worst voice acting to ever exist.

>>186746528
>Some faggot pretends to know his shit and just further embarrass himself while pretending that being from /g/ means absolutely anything.

>>186746907
By your definition, CoD is a sandbox game as it's a small area you can fuck around in.

You're an idiot

>>186746982
Again, choke on a dick crusader.

>>186746982
>e-everyone's being mean to me for being a complete faggot

>>186746883
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MqJNdL99Vc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrsl8VwI4vI

All Japanese voice actors sound the same.

Playing right now. Japanese voices are lesser in volume, but they flow well with the mouth movements of NPC's outside of cutscenes. But special cutscenes will still follow english VA, so the mouths are out of sync. That said, I prefer Japs, just because I like something new

>>186746907
So by your definition literally everything with multiplayer is a sandbox game. Do you even listen to yourself?

>>186746907
So, everything is a sandbox unless you say it isn't?

This is the fucking worst argument I've ever seen.

>>186746961
http://dragonsdogma.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Dark_Arisen:_Skills

Welp. Just because its there, doesnt meen its up to date yet.

>>186747130
because you're not accustomed

>>186746765
>>186746823
To be fair, Fable 1 only had connected roads and Fable 2 and 3 are more like sandbox games from a game engine point of view.

They don't achieve the true open world formula unlike games like Elder Scrolls achieve with it's dynamically formulated map size from an engine standpoint. There might be nothing to render once you go out of bounds, but you can still continue to go forward as the game engine is rendering the traversable space in real time compared to a sandbox where everything out of bounds completely in a just a black box you find in vidya usually.

>>186747223
See

>>186747124

>>186746907
>Counterstrike? Sandbox.
>Final fantasy XI? Sandbox

>>186747292
So how the fuck is Red Dead Redemption not open world then?

>>186747053
>Every game is a sandbox game according to you!

>>186747191
>>186747212
>I heard what the guy said above me, so I will just repeat what he said!

Again, I'm not surprised that this is /v/. You guys lack a formal argument.

>>186747392
Not him but I have to agree with you, I think RDR is pretty damn open world.

>>186747392
Single player wise it is, but multiplayer wise the engine switches to a sandbox mode map due to engine limitations online.

Read the fucking thread.

>>186747223
The game isn't even put for a single day yet. It's pretty obvious that the wiki isn't xompletely up to date yet. also, >/vg/ for some real discussion

Western game, western voices.
Japanese game, japanese voices.

Really isn't that hard guys.

>>186747419
>posts 10 seconds apart
>hurr ur just copy him

You have to be a fucking troll.

Especially since you dropped pretense of any actual argument.

>>186747419
Dude, being retarded doesn't mean there's a bandwagon. You're just really really retarded. If there are other responses to this nature I wouldn't be surprised.

>>186747484
It's the same fucking game in multi and single other than you need a menu to access poker.

This is such bullshit.

>>186747542
>implying I'm the same person
It shows how desperate you are to argue with someone, even if it's not the same guy.

>>186747124
Oh thank you, this is actually something new, sortof. Nothing for the new skills or augments yet?

So what is the difference with this and the original game?

Is it only new content or something?

>>186747419
So where did your argument go? Oh right you didn't have one.

>>186747629
>posts something stupid replying to someone
>that person replies

>hurr u just arguement

What the actual fuck is even happening now.

>>186747484
So... when I'm on one side of the map picking flowers. and two people are having a shootout on the opposite side of the map... and there is several people in between.... and when someone kills a deer... it's dead when I get to it.... that isn't open world.

Seriously what the fuck. It is a world. It is open. fuck you

>>186747629
This is just sad dude.

>>186747619
It's not the same map when you switch between multiplayer and singleplayer.

If it was, then why does the game need to load a seperate game world entirely from the data?

It's right in the game files if you don't believe me.

>>186747740
If you've been reading the thread we've finally proven that open world is an ephemeral concept that may not exist in multyplayer.

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>>186744974
WEISS YOU DUMBASS!

>>186747740
Again, that's a sandbox. It simulates the feel of open world, but it's not truly open world.

Try to go out of bounds in single player, the map will dynamically formulate space for you to walk on or transverse once you reach out of bounds.

Do that in multiplayer and you will just fall through the world.

>>186747789
>It's not the same map when you switch between multiplayer and singleplayer.

Yes, it is.

You really are grasping here.

>>186746528
>what is crackdown
>what is Fable

>>186747789
So you're saying R* put the same world on the disc. twice. Effectivly halfing how much space there can be. On a hugely data filled game

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>>186744974

The only bad voice was Emil's.

And Yonah's cough.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxROndS33f8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZKAv1stNrc

>>186747878
Edgy.

>>186747952
Both worlds are nearly the same visual wise, but the transversable space provided is severely different if you look at it from an entire map standpoint.

>>186747523
Thats why I came here. To hear from people actually playing it. Every thread has devolved into shitposting and argueing. I am home.

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Back to the original point would you faggots that are stamping every open world multiplayer experience with SANDBOX say that it is indeed possible for Dragons Dogma to have multiplayer simmilar to fable 3, Red Dead Redemption, and crackdown?

Try both.

>>186747539
I'm almost sure the original voices are the English ones.

>>186743098
>>186743615
>Letting FUCKING TREES ruin a videogame experience for you.

I honestly feel a little sad for you people.

I wonder how many times I have to repeat that the reason why there is no multi player is the FPS problems the Mystic knights make


Just TWO of those fuckers would just crash the game

>>186748154
No, it doesn't work with the lore.

>>186748338
Are you honestly telling me that you can have pawns teleporting to you through the rift but when it's actual people it doesn't fit with the lore?
Really?

>>186748328
so huh.. PS4?

>>186748154
Its possible, why not. Personally I dont think I would like it unless there were more 'boss' monsters in the field.

>>186748154
It's definitely possible, but the world will become a sandbox instead of a true open world experience.

Most of /v/ is retarded to understand basic game design. Probably the same people who believe that "YOU CAN DO ANYTHING!" in Fable.

At least Todd Howard's "See that mountain, you can climb it" has some truth to it. You can actually transverse pass that mountain and walk around as the walkable map is being formulated dynamically but there may be no textures past that point or may rely on stock textures such as repeating backgrounds or something from the engine.

>>186748480
maybe next game

>>186748404
Yes.
The rift is for pawns to move throught worlds, not for Arisens.
The only way for an Arisen to meet another is if he was created in the same world or as the Seneschal.

>>186744105
ah. Do you think the trees would be better if they ported it? No!

>>186748586
the one thing Dragon's dogma does right is the lighting

>>186748576
A simple change in nomenclature would fix that problem right up when you're going to someone else's world. Maybe all pawns are arisen in their own world.

>>186748674
That's not quite how it works.
The pawns can become the Arisen of their worlds, but then they stop being mindless pawns and become real "human" beings, the pawns you summon are the mindless mercenaries that fight for you.
Like I said, it doesn't go with the present lore of the game.

>>186748834
You play as your pawn in co-op, just like Fable, then.

Why not?

>>186748834
They could have easily have thought of a work around. It's frustrating to think that might actually be the reason they neutered their own game.

>>186749012
I could easily see going to someone else's world playing as one of your own pawns.

>>186749012
Then you are not a pawn.
And what would be the point of another Arisen tier companion in an already piss easy game?
>>186749015
Not all the games need multi player, they decided to go for the pawn system instead of a co-op system that would just be an overkill.

>>186748310
>Defending the stagnation of video games

>>186749202
Not all games but certainly this one.

So do most localizations of Japanese games have native dub options? Does Dragon's Dogma?

>>186749202
>And what would be the point of another Arisen tier companion in an already piss easy game?

Are you literally making the argument that because you don't have friends, there shouldn't be co-op in video games?

>>186749225
>ugly graphics
>stagnation of videogames
hahaha

>>186749312
Dark Arisen has it.

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Dagger/Bow Assassin
Dagger Skills: Invisibility, Hundred Kisses, Masterful Kill
Bow Skills: Plegic Arrow, Mighty Bend, Fivefold Flurry

English voices.

All day every day.

>>186749315
Can you blame him?

>>186749430
I prefer MA to Assassin. The skills are more fun to use and I like the 6 fold arrow to use on hell hounds

>>186749252
If multiplayer was to be added Id like to see some kind of arena mode where you fight bosses or something, but straight up multiplayer? I honestly dont think I would like it, world enemies arent that strong and having someone else with you would just make it incredibly easy.

>>186749252
Why?
The game doesn't have the balance for a PvP system and is too easy for a co-op system.
What is the point? So you can have xX420ARISENURMOM420Xx on your screen?
>>186749315
I have absolutely no idea of how you turned my comment into that, but I will try to explain it to you.
The game is easy, too fucking easy, another Arisen is not going to do shit except make it even more easy.

>>186748310
I feel sorry for you, graphics should be consistent, having a high res character with low poly and texture res backgrounds creates a jarring dissonance and is just bad game design. Not only should the characters be downgraded and the tress upgraded to strike a balance but overall the graphics should be 20% worse overall so it can at least maintain a slightly less pathetic and stable 30fps.

>>186749447
Yes.

I have friends.

I like vidya.

I like playing vidya with friends.

This game is literally built around co-op except without actual players.

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>co-op
>Mystic Knight lays down Cannon
>Assassin uses Hundred Kisses on it
>entire screen fills up with magic missiles like a god damn fireworks show

I want this to happen.

>>186749558
Could do it borderlands style where the more people you have the stronger mobs get

>>186749568
>The game is easy, too fucking easy, another Arisen is not going to do shit except make it even more easy.

If it's already too easy, what does it matter then?

I want to play with friends.

>>186749541
I like to melee everything almost exclusively. Only reason I use a bow is because there are like ten million harpies in the game and they don't come down unless I shoot them.

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>western setting
>western armors
>western looking people
>speaking Japanese

You've got to be a diehard weeaboo do shit like this.

>>186749608
Play the game. Seriously, youre right but youve been spoiled.

>>186749558
Do it like...

I don't remember, but there are games that up the difficulty for co-op/

>>186749568
You know there's a Hard Mode right.

>first DL
>corrupt
>redownload
>installer hangs at 82% for half an hour
>installer wasn't kept (which happened when it was corrupt instead of the PS3 craping out) so I have to redownload again

SONY!

>>186749754
>wanting shitty voice acting

>>186749568
> difficulty can't be adjusted for co-op

You're an idiot.

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As a person studying map design and engine structure in a few engines like UDK and Gamebryo, a true open world multiplayer game simply isn't possible in most games not mainly because of hardware limitations, but because of engine limitations.

Games like Oblivion or Fallout can do this open world mechanic because the engine is focusing on just one main control person and that's you as the player. The engine can dynamically form collisions and walkable maps on the fly when you go out of bounds because the game the engine is centered around you and what your character does.

Now in a multiplayer environment, it quickly escalates to not only just you, but multiple other people. The game engine must dynamically create lots of engine assets and other walkable map sizes outside of the boundary in case someone does manage to go out of bounds. This puts a tremendous amount stress of a person's CPU when this includes lots of other people as the engine is formulating multiple "scenarios" at once in addition to rendering graphical assets and other things like physics for example.

There's a simple ingenious solution to prevent this from happening and this is called by me "isolating the map" or creating a sandbox virtually in English.

You basically duplicate the map in a separate instance file and create real boundary limitations such as a box with the game only revolving around what's inside the box. Anything outside the box is just a black empty abyss that you usually find in games where you go out of bounds and fall through the world. This reduces stress on the game engine and allows multiplayer in the world possible. It's how games like Just Cause 2, GTA SA & IV, and other sandbox games achieve a feat like that. Most player never fully explore outside the map since it's pretty huge and files are swapped on the spot for when it's needed so it achieves the feel of "open world" while not actually being real open world.

I hope this clarify's some misconceptions.

>>186749753
Ah, fair enough. The MA dagger skills are pretty baller though. That one where you do a summersault and leave a giant spurt of flames is pretty decent

>>186749679
There is countless of video games where you can play with your friends, hell, even DaS brings a more interesting Multiplayer than what you want.
Why should Dragon's Dogma lore, gameplay and balance change just so you can play with your friend instead of playing any other co-op game out there?

>>186749753
I like being a warrior and spamming jump attack

kills all da harpies

>>186746528
this made absolutely no sense
never post again

>>186749845
>Implying Japanese voice act is good

Pawns talk less now, english should be more bearable.

>>186749831
Yes, and is the most lazy and boring hard mode that they could have implemented, Skyrim levels of hard mode.
And yet, the game is still piss easy.

>>186749853
Tell me how can they change the difficulty for co-op.
How can they actually make having another Arisen in the game anything but an overkill.
Not even hard mode is difficult enough to require another fucking Arisen.

I don't want them to focus on coop, i think that AI companions are more interesting to play with and are definitely more innovative.

>>186749845
Yeah, that's another reason why I don't use Jap voices.

>>186749541
>Going through catacombs
>Undead errywhere
>Ricochet Hunter a few times

So satisfying

>>186750039
>Multiplayer where people can invade similar to dark souls as a cyclopse, ogre or griffon

you KNOW you want this

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>>186749860
>gamebryo is unotpimized, therefore multiplayer is impossible, despite hardware constantly increasing in power

Holy shit! I thought the topic I was in before this one was stupid./

>>186749645
you can also cast miasma on the cannon and if you hit it on a certain point you get a constant stream of missiles.

>>186749860
so is that why the GTA4's multiplayer option were a bit gimpy?

>>186749672
Now that I would like, see when I play this game I feel like I shouldnt be leveling up, if you know what I meen. Enemies dont get stronger in any way so enemies will always start out hard and become a breeze later and theres nothing you can do to stop it, they are alaways going to become easy, not because youre getting better at the game but because your stats make you better.

Yes, if multiplayer was added, more/different enemies, higher difficulty.

I would play the game to the end of days if you could choose not to level up, the begining of the game was the best.

>>186749890
>why should Dragon's Dogma gameplay change so you can co-op

This is the funniest sentence I've ever seen on /v/.

The game is literally built around co-op, just without a direct online function

And as said, play as your pawn when in another world, doesn't disrupt lore in any way.

As for difficulty many games up difficulty for more players, why would this not?

Add enemies, up health and such bullshit.

>>186749908
It does make sense if you understand basic game design for an engine. It's worded partially wrong, but it still makes sense.

>>186750159
Why not just have another Arisens invading and shit?
Hell, that could be a plot point.

The PC version comes out today, but I don't see it on the steam store yet. I guess they have no intent to release on steam.

>>186750173
do you even fucking know how to read ?

>>186749969
How else would they have implemented it? Enlighten me.

>>186750239
>This puts a tremendous amount stress of a person's CPU

Yes.

You also assume just ploping 30 players into the engine, not 2.

>>186750231
Literal PvP might be a bit overpowered. An assasin could easily take a sorcerer just by moving out of the way and getting them in the cast times.

Being an intelligent ogre or cyclopse would be fucking baller.

>>186750237
>PC version

lol wut

>>186750392
Could also tie people together, not being able to leave a certain distance of each other (Like pawns dont stray too far)

>>186750201
>The game is literally built around co-op, just without a direct online function
No, it's not.
Like I said before, the lack of difficulty and the lore itself goes agaisnt a co-op system.
>And as said, play as your pawn when in another world, doesn't disrupt lore in any way.
Then you would not be a pawn.
>As for difficulty many games up difficulty for more players, why would this not?
Because they already attempted to add difficulty to the game and failed.
>Add enemies, up health and such bullshit.
Yes, like hard mode, wich is still easy.

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>>186742558 (OP)
Wait, DD has dual audio option?

>>186750246
Not that guy but I personally wouldve placed different enemies where the old enemies spawn
>goblins replaced with skeletal knights
>standard bandits replaced with those higher geared bandits you seldom see with the shields.
etc.

Or a level cap of some kind

Them trees.

>>186749225
If you honestly think that graphics mark the advancement of the industry then your taste is shallow as fuck and you are probably a casual.
If you want to talk about stagnation at least go into AI, gameplay mechanics, hit detection, anything related to how the GAME is PLAYED.

>>186749608
At least you make a somewhat valid point; I wouldn't mind lower graphics if it meant a higher framerate, but then again FPS is only a problem in the parts where there's a lot of action going on, I can't really complain about FPS other than in those situations. The whole "jarring dissonance" part of your post is a little ridiculous though.

>>186750392
the main problem is that there aren't any game engine made for open world ala skyrim that can manage two players

>>186750519
only the expansion dark arisen has one.

>>186750246
Improvement of AI, variety of spawn points, increasing number of enemies, overpowered enemies roaming the lands, making the Arisen less over fucking powered.

>>186742558 (OP)
What game is this?

Lools like a game made in 2005.

>>186750486
or we could have an engine that only occupies himself with the local char and leaves the other char to the other computer

you just have to synchronise dynamic shit

>>186750603
I like gimping myself by playing as a MA or strider, so my stats don't make me one hit kill everything

How can they release RE6 on PC and not this.

>>186750501
>Then you would not be a pawn.

do you have absolutely no imagination ?
he could be a fucking mercenary or some shit
maybe a random fighter who wants to help the arisen

>>186750501
Okay, you're an idiot.

Co-op is cooperative play.

What the fuck do you think the pawns are doing with you? Do they attack you?

You're cooperating with npcs, it's the same fucking thing except without players.

>it's too easy
Then having the ability to have other players wouldn't make any difference other than I can have more fun.

Your argument is worthless.

>>186750560
Skyrim's engine isn't made for open world in the first place (hell, you can barely call it made).

Nothing stops someone from making such and engine.

>>186750658
That could be achieved possibly actually, but no one has bothered to create such an engine because engines take time and money to create and why make something like that if a sandbox works just as fine and involves LESS work?

>>186750849
Gamebyro is a fine engine.

Bethesda is just a terrible developer.

>>186750546
>>186749343

Hardware isn't just for graphics, anons.

You can't run a game like Rome Total War 2 on a console.

>>186750849
>Nothing stops someone from making such and engine.

well you need money/time for this kind of shit

>>186750619
>Lools like a game made in 2003.

Fixed.

>>186750914
Gamebyro isn't an engine, it's a frame to put middleware on.

>>186750798
It's not a matter of imagination, it's a matter of logic.
If a pawn has a real mind and control, then it's not a pawn, and using a retarded excuse, like a mercenary, to implement and co-op system would just be too cheap to work properly.
Not every single game out there has to be made so you and your chuckle fuck friends can play it together.

>>186750781
Because zombies, established franchise and shootan

>>186750957
This. I became a PC fag just for RTS games with more than 5 units.

Civ5 is a CPU rapist, but doesn't have good graphics

>>186750986
Too bad we don't have game budgets in the millions of dollars and a high demand for this kind of game...

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> TFW graphical stagnation for the past 8 years thanks to consoles.

> More 5-7 years of graphical stagnation thanks to the "next-gen" consoles.

>>186750957
yeah, but you commented on the fucking trees. and better technology isn't the thing we need most now either. the real thing we need is developers taking some risk when developing a game.

>>186750825
>What the fuck do you think the pawns are doing with you? Do they attack you?
They are following my orders, something a player might not do because they are not pawns.
>You're cooperating with npcs, it's the same fucking thing except without players.
Cooperating implies that both parties are working together for the same objective, that's not a pawn, a pawn works with the Arisen, no matter what and will always obey.
Unless a dragon charms him.
>Then having the ability to have other players wouldn't make any difference other than I can have more fun.
It would make a difference, it would require a completely new system that's not required.
>Your argument is worthless
So it's yours.

>>186751220
>It would make a difference, it would require a completely new system that's not required.

No, it wouldn't.

>>186751147
You know some developers don't absolutely give a fuck about graphics right?

Sure it may look decent, but striving for photo-realism by spending loads of money for minimal gain in profits is fucking stupid from a developer standpoint.

Crytek and Epic Games are about the only two companies that put a lot of work into their game engines because they are trying to sell their engine license to other developers to earn some of that profit from best selling titles. That's how they make money if you haven't noticed.

>>186751315
Yes, it would.
Adding a co-op system requires a lot of shit, and I mean a lot.
It would require to alter the lore of the game, change the engine that it works with, probably cut content so the co-op is actually something necessary and interesting, or even worse, it would require to downgrade the game from an open world game to a linear game.

>>186751442
Pretty much every non-small PC company enjoy pushing for better graphics.

>>186742558 (OP)
I enjoy DD's English dub.

The major characters, pawns and many side characters are well-acted considering the unconventional diction. With all those aughts, naughts, gainsays and anodynes, you'd think it would sound unnatural or hammy, but it works most of the time.

Compare this to a game like Dragon Age, which is ostensibly the same kind of setting. Characters in DA speak modern English with a contemporary vocabulary; DD has a distinctive quality of speech that lets you know you're in Gransys.

Having said all that, I dislike the grating repetition of pawn chatter. That's a programming problem, though, not a dub problem.

>>186751496
>I got my game design degree, I know what I'm talking about!
smh

>>186751496
>It would require to alter the lore of the game
It actually wouldn't

>probably cut content so the co-op is actually something necessary and interesting, or even worse, it would require to downgrade the game from an open world game to a linear game.

Oh, you have no idea what you're talking about, still.

Fuck this, you're an idiot and I'm done.

>>186750957
Exactly. I wasn't arguing that better hardware only means better graphics, but when I see people complaining just about the graphics it seems so petty and childish.
I also agree with this >>186751194 Anon: many formulas and genres are getting boring, I am much more interested in seeing developers add some interesting twists to known genres, or create new and original settings, than in realism.

I know this is irrelevant , but if you buy this game, will it create a new trophy set? or will it expand the existing one.

Also, any fixes from the original one?

>>186751725
Not really, I am talking from my personal experience with the game.
The game can barely work with a single Arisen using his abilities to the max, like with a Mystic knight or a sorcerer, having more than that would require a complete remake.
>>186751808
>It actually wouldn't
Yes, it would.
As I said before, two Arisen can't be in the same world unless one is a Seneschal or it was worn on it.
>Oh, you have no idea what you're talking about, still.
You just keep covering your ears and screaming, that's not helping your point.

>>186751948
>As I said before, two Arisen can't be in the same world unless one is a Seneschal or it was worn on it.

You play as your pawn instead of your Arisen, no lore change.

>You just keep covering your ears and screaming, that's not helping your point.

Oh the sweet irony.

>>186752101
>You play as your pawn instead of your Arisen, no lore change.
Then you wouldn't be a pawn.

>>186752250
Pawns move around and target enemies on their own. I move around and target enemies on my own. Just because I can love and think, doesn't mean my charachter in a video game can.
Also, the duke is an Arisen. You're an arison. the DF is an arisen. Why couldn't the previous Arisen help you?

>>186751687

WOLVES HUNT IN PACKS

I only played the game for about 10 hours but that phrase was burned into my brain.

And, and the trader who had a weird way of talking. "THEY'RE MASTWORKS AWL, YA CAN'T GO WRONG"

>Tolkien like English fantasy setting
> European armour and weapons
>White people

Gee I wonder which language I should pick, English or Japanese? Come on OP, English is the only one that makes sense, although I will mess around with the Japanese voices now and then for comedy value.

>>186752471
What a large tree

TIS WEAK TO FIRE AND ICE BOTH

What's this?

I had a pawn say to me Hm... I wonder... the other day. I thought they couldn't think

>>186752458
You are not a pawn because pawns can't act at their own will, you could disobey the Arisen, you could attack the Arisen, the fact alone that you are controlling the pawn stops you from being a pawn.
>Also, the duke is an Arisen. You're an arison. the DF is an arisen. Why couldn't the previous Arisen help you?
The duke is a pussy and DF is a shut in faggot.

>>186752730
Fine. You just play as a random powerful dude who tags along with the Arisen for a bit then.

Find a flaw in that one you bell

>>186752730
>The duke is a pussy and DF is a shut in faggot.

This doesn't contradict anything in the idea of co-op though.

The trees don't look that bad ingame.

Also they move, they're not static.

I for one can't fucking wait for Dark Arisen. Less than a week, i'm excited as fuck.

>>186752870
It's idiotic and forced.
>>186752925
I don't even know why he mentioned those things, he just asked why couldn't they help the Arisen, and I answered him.

>>186752615
Pawns can think and they have a "will" its just their main purpose is to serve the Arisen, but they dont lack in personality.

>>186753070
>It's idiotic and forced.

Because nothing else in Dragon's Dogma is.

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like I said

wait until DD for Ps4 or something for co-op


systems are took weak to handle all that right now

>>186752925

I hope you're not one of those fags who want co-op in DD and think the game would be better with it and PVP.

>>186744562

> >Multiplayer? FUCK NO

This would have been really nice, not necessary but nice. Hopefully they'll add it in the next installment

> >PC? NOOOOOPE

The game didn't sell all that well in the west. And Japanese gamers doesn't play PC games all that much. So it wouldn't make sense for them to port it, from an economic standpoint.

>>186753094
So the Arisen is Obama and pawns are liberal arts majors?

>>186753178
I hope you're not one of those fags who is so retarded they think co-op for DD would be bad.

>PVP

What?

Who the fuck things that would be good?

The combat alone would be shit.

Why everyone wants multiplayer in DD i beyond me.

>game has multiplayer
>/v/ complains and argues that not every game needs mp and they should focus on single player
>game doesn't have multiplayer
>THIS GAME SUCKS WITHOUT MULTIPLAYER, IT WOULD BE A LOT BETTER, TAKE A LOOK AT DARK SOULS.

>>186753342
No the arisen is white.

>>186753342
I guess? But Selene Debunks any Pawn argument really. Pawns can be more than just Pawns, maybe human? Thing that freaked me out about Pawns is the fact that they are very similar to the Chosen Undead.

>>186753527
Not mine. Bubba the dragon smasher is definatly black on mine

>>186753496
It's just idiots who can't stand a good game without a shoehorned MP.

>>186753365

You haven't seen many DD threads have you?

Also I don't care for co-op. It wouldn't be bad, but I never thought it would better because of it, nor did I miss it.

>>186753682
Why would you choose to be black of your own free will?