>>200987419 (OP)
>high skill ceiling

>>200987419 (OP)
Community is exactly the reason I quit playing myself.
>Get to 30, have a decent champion pool
>learn every role and try and do ranked so that I can fill if needed
>Did placements when I was fresh 30 and got placed in Bronze IV
>Play hours on end for months straight
>Can't get out of Bronze
>Make some Gold/Diamond friends
>Stomp / play on the same skill level as them
ELO hell really exists and it's forced me out of the game.

>>200987724
I'm starting to think this is the general assumption people make about LoL. There is in fact a high skill ceiling, hence the large amount of competetive/ranked play.

>>200987829
more like
>be shit
>cant get outside bronze
>find some actually skilled friends
>get carried hard

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>>200987419 (OP)
>high skill ceiling

>>200988416
I never played ranked with them because I wanted to carry myself out. I played against them / with them in normals.

>>200987419 (OP)
It's designed to feel like it has high skill ceiling and competitive play when you're just starting out, while secretly being easy enough to get into for it to not scare you away.
It's going to be fantastic for a while, but soon you'll understand it's samey and boring and it's an absolute joke of a competitive game. It's really just not worth it.

I can explain why if you'd like me to.

>>200988294
The skill ceiling is quite low (it is for all mobas), the most difficult factor is simply the amount of variables of possible matchups.
As a beginner understanding what all the enemy champions and even own team champions do is a big deal.
Once you get that down its quite simple though.

>>200988294
but that makes no sense, if the skill ceiling were high there would be less competitive play because few people would be good enough to compete at the highest level.

the reason league has arguably the largest competitive scene is because of the low skill ceiling

im sure we could agree that quake3 has one of the highest skill ceilings out there, but even in it's prime it's scene was nowhere near as large as LoL's

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Because its the call of duty of its genre
Because Riot balances around the newbie
Because Riot has awful design philosophies
Because its a simplified version of Wc3 dota
Because its a casual game that was forced into "esports" with dirty riot money
Because of its f2p model

>>200988862
What's wrong with it's free to play model? It's not pay to win in the slightest.

>>200988294
Riot literally bought their way into e-sports.

The game has a low skill ceiling because all characters within an archetype are just slightly different flavors of each other, the team meta is static and just has you plug into five specific roles and mirror lanes, the items are just arms race passive stat stacking rather than actives and countering, there's far less emphasis on counterpicking and counterplay, mana costs are lower and cooldowns are lower, there's more focus on farming than fighting and it's so snowbally that playing competitive LoL is little more than farming harder and winning the first skirmish.

>>200989027
>It's not pay to win in the slightest.

>>200989027
>It's not pay to win in the slightest.
Riot fanboys actually think this? Ha

>>200989112>>200989127

But it's not. I've been playing for awhile now and there is literally no pay to win at all.

>>200989112
I play(ed) LoL quite a bit, and I'll admit this is false, it is pay to win.

Pay2notgrind is pay2win.

>>200989201
>You can pay to buy Jayce, Elise, Kennen, Vayne, Draven, get more IP to get runes faster, etc.

>>200989027
Paying doesn't give you much of an advantage, but the amount of time/money you need to invest to actually have all of the game-affecting content is fucking ridiculous, each character takes $5+ or dozens of matches to unlock.
Compare that to paying ~$60 once and having everything.

Or, paying $0 and having everything! Y'know, like a certain other game!

>>200989201
>People with all the champions unlocked have more chance of winning due to counter picking / trading.
>Runes give a massive advantage, and getting ip boosts (BUYING IP WITH REAL MONEY) gets you then faster, giving you more of an advantage

Because why would you not just play DotA 2?

>>200989201
Its not pay2win, but you literally have 99% of the game locked behind a grind.
A newbie account is at a huge disadvantage compared to someone who has been playing longer.

Meanwhile in comparable games, you have every character unlocked from the start. A brand new account is on the exact same footing as a 1000 hour account

>>200989421
You do realize newbies are pitted to fight against other newbies, right?

>>200989416
I'll admit, it's pretty complicated, if even in just the fact that the items and champions are so much more diverse and you actually gotta remember all that shit, which is why I find LoL more enjoyable.

I still try to get into DotA though

>>200987829
stop kidding yourself.
if you're stuck in bronze you belong there.

New Thread!
New Thread!
New Thread!
New Thread!

That shit used to be so annoying. I've never even played LoL but I hate you fuckers so goddamn much.

>assfaggots
not even once

>>200988862
>Because its the call of duty of its genre
that statement is so vague? because its popular so it has to be hated on or becaise league has 15 dollar hero packs?
>Because Riot balances around the newbie
Yeah they should make complex heroes like meepo,their the most popular heroes while heroes who are easy to get into and hard to master like pudge never get played.
>Because Riot has awful design philosophies
cant refute since I can see why some people wouldnt like it
>Because its a simplified version of Wc3 dota

is that a bad thing? it seems like you are saying for something to be good it must be complex.
>Because its a casual game that was forced into "esports" with dirty riot money
even if this is true,at least its Riots dirty money and not pay 10 bucks to make it have a prize pool.
>Because of its f2p model
The f2p is what gets people in the door to play,granted I dont like the f2p community but what r they gnna do,charge 20 bucks then give u every champ for free?

>>200987419 (OP)
>and the high skill ceiling
I can touch the skill ceiling from where I am sitting. If you want "high skill ceiling" don't look at casual games like LoL. Fuck even the pros say that there is very little skill involved and that Riot is a bunch of retards who can't balance.

>>200989565
Not necessarily, if I play its a stack with other "veterans' so we get matched up with other people at level 30 with runepages and tons of characters.

Meanwhile I'm level 10 and have no runes, 2 characters, no masteries, and no flash. I'm at a huge disadvantage before the game even starts.

>>200989701
>>Because its a simplified version of Wc3 dota

>is that a bad thing? it seems like you are saying for something to be good it must be complex.

>Racing cars is too difficult, lets race trains instead, so we dont have to focus on steering!

>>200989701
>Because its the call of duty of its genre
that statement is so vague? because its popular so it has to be hated on or becaise league has 15 dollar hero packs?
Because it's objectively worse and less deep than the competitors, yet everyone and their mother flocks to it because it's easy and has a nice responsive engine, and people who play it fucking worship it and think they're super hxc gamers for being good at it, and when playing the competitor they can't get into it because it isn't exactly like LoL.
Same fucking thing as CoD for FPS games.

>>200989701
>The f2p is what gets people in the door to play,granted I dont like the f2p community but what r they gnna do,charge 20 bucks then give u every champ for free?

how about make everything that actually affects the game free, and extra stuff like skins are what you pay for?

>playing ASSFAGGOTS

>>200988294
>There is in fact a high skill ceiling, hence the large amount of competetive
The large amount of competitive play comes from the fact that Riot throws so much money at it that they literally buy tournaments (MLG) and pay every single pro team out of their own pockets.

Its a bought scene that only exists because Riot throws money at it.

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>>200989643
Cant blame people for enjoying a game, especially when its as rare as it is on /v/.

Shouldve just filtered them, thats what I did.

LoL is not about skill.

Where's the skill if the ones winning are using a mechanic that is a counter only to itself and things you have to grind for?

Don't hit on me, silly boys.

I would like to try Dota 2 but the shit community and the fact that I've never played a moba in my life has kept me away.

I'll just go in, fuck up the game for the whole team and get vote kicked.

>>200989701
>The f2p is what gets people in the door to play,granted I dont like the f2p community but what r they gnna do,charge 20 bucks then give u every champ for free?
They could always charge nothing and give you every champion for free, sorta like that one other game is doing

>LoL is so casual its piss easy for babies lol skill ceiling so funny so easy and shit.competitive
>what's your rank?
>silver IV

Every LoL thread ever

>>200990080
>WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH I DON'T WANNA GRIND AND MOMMY WON'T LET ME PAY

MOBAs in general are just not something that appeals to me, so I don't partake and I don't watch. Not any more complicated than that.

>>200990075
Just read some guides, play the tutorial, and try out bot matches.

The only people who get mad in bot matches are downies that are just as bad as you.

>>200989990
With the money they get from skins (i know they get a ton cus the people and me spent more on skins than on retails games) I agree that they should make champs free, or at least reduce the 6300 ip price by 1k and DEFINETELY make runes free.

I remember LoL was something I looked up at one point, but I took one look at the whole "pay or grind for champions" thing and I knew exactly what kind of game I'd be getting myself into.

Several weeks later, somebody threw me a Dota 2 invite. The rest is history.

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I played league for 2 years before I played Dota 2, and after 10 games I realized LoL is based on making money from new champions and suffers as a result. It's also full of 12 year olds and people who are attracted by it's very shallow learning curve and lack of skill.

Conversely, Dota 2 has a slightly better community and takes a long time to get good at and involves tactics. The tactics in league extend to basically A. Press 'b' now or wait for another 400g and B. Gank route A or route B

There are several shitty arguments people always use when comparing these two games but basically LoL is more popular because it's easier to access and quicker while Dota 2 takes more time and effort to understand.

P.S. I play league for ARAM because its short, fast and fun. I play Dota 2 for everything else because it isn't wrapped in a shitty RIOT blanket of failure and money sucking business model

>>200990097
>Farmville is so casual its piss easy for babies lol skill ceiling so funny so easy and shit.competitive
>How big is your farm?
>I don't play the game.

Because there's zero variety and the skill is just learning how to abuse Riot's shitty game balance.

There's zero strategy.

Every champion is one arch-type with a gimmick.

Fucking Flash was going to be removed, then Riot got bought out by the Chinese, then they all started swearing Flash was the best thing ever. Literally, Zileas was talking about how internal testing showed that Flash was horribly cancerous to the game and was going to be phased out. Now Riot swears it makes fast and engaging plays even more exciting. Morello literally admitted to me on Twitter that, "Yeah Flash is broken, it's required to play the game, but it looks cool and makes the game more exciting to watch so it's staying."

League of Legends is a shit game. Stay away. Learn DOTA2.

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>>200990187
Hot damn, you're retarded.

>>200990187
nigga heroes isnt something that u should be grinding 6300. I one game can give u 120 ip IF u win and 80 if you lose with 1 250 bonus win a day,it takes alot of games to buy a 6300. They should at least be 4800 and runes alot cheaper since runes can affect u more than a champ

>>200990187
You're right, I don't.
But fortunately I don't fucking have to, because I play Dota 2.

>>200990187
Can anyone tell me why morons like this actively defend things which shit on them?
Plenty of other f2p models exist which would be better for you as a consumer.

>>200990363
entitled to your opinion

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Wow this guy sure has been hit hard by post purchase rationalisation. I wonder how much money he spent on this game already.

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>high skill ceiling

Alright, I'm interested.
How?

SC, Quake and Fighting Games have high precision and reaction time. What does LoL have?

>>200988695
>the reason league has arguably the largest competitive scene is because of the low skill ceiling

It doesn't have the largest competitive scene though, unless you count viewers on twitch and not the actual pro players themselves.

gold player here. lol is just more fun than dota. nothing more nothing less.

>>200990659
Coordination.

>>200990659
Personal skill has a cap,the cieling only comes into play if you have a team. A team can run alot of different comps with different stats,ALOT. But if you solo the cieling is how well you know your champions mechanics and the enemy champions mechanics in your lane and how you use that info to beat em in lane, but thats every MOBA

The balance team is complete shit. I fucking hate them, they're the biggest pack of retards I've ever seen have complete control over a game. Regularly nerfing things that are completely balanced while leaving Elise overpowered as fuck for months on end.

>>200990075
I can't speak much for DOTA2, but if you play easy bots in LoL, you can get away for some pretty serious nonsense.
Just pick one of the weekly free heros, play at least two games with each one over the course of the week to see if you like them, follow the reccomended guide, and just ignore anyone that's giving you a hassle.

Especially before level 30, you really don't need to pay attention to anyone. Just bring up the score screen and click on the little message button to mute them. You're learning that game. You're going to make some mistakes, you aren't going to get banned as long as you honestly try and don't do anything abhorrently stupid.
Forget about the metagame and any sort of 'pro advice' that /v/ gives away, just play the reccomended routes, have fun, and try not to feed the bots.

Try to play 5v5 though, it's much more intense and scary the first few times, but you'll get more actual experience, and IP, even if you lose. Losing a 5v5 game gives you about as much as a won bot game, so, if you care about grinding, you might as well just play 5v5 all day long.

Seriously, the community isn't that bad if you just mute the assholes and carry on. You might lose the game, but you aren't going to win them all. Not even half probably. Just take the loss and just re-cue. Don't think about it, just try to be better.

>>200987419 (OP)
Because the community is a sack of shit

Kind of like /v/

>>200990423
>>200990483
>>200990562
>>200990579
I tried to refrain from replying to that retard because it's an obvious bait.

I'd think most people would see that too.

>>200990775
>>200990853
So the skill ceiling exists from your team not being retarded?

>>200990583

>HEY THERE'S TWO SUMMONER SPELL SLOTS AND A LARGE VARIETY OF SPELLS TO CATER TO MULTIPLE STRATEGIES ALLOWING ME TO PLAY CHARACTERS IN DIFFERENT AND INTERESTING WAYS!

>Jungle=Flash+Smite
>Mid=Flash+Ignite(Or exhaust)
>Top=Flash+Heal(Or ignite, or exhaust)
>AD=Flash+Ghost(Or heal, or Ignite)
>Support=Flash+Clairvoyance(Or heal)

>>200990714
I didnt say it had the biggest scene now did I?

>>200990859
they nerfed her neurotoxin like 1000 times,she only became fotm this past week. and at least shes mangable, nunu shuts you the fuck down

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>>200990635
>All of them are original

>>200990075
>shit community
i've never had a problem with the dota 2 community, not even the russians.

Then again, I play on the asia servers and came from WC3 dota.

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People who play the inferior and less popular game will always remain the vocal minority that cant do anything but talk about the successful game instead of talking about their own shit.

Happens with WoW, happens with Street Fighter, happens with people who play their Monster Hunter clones.

Its an interesting phenomenon.

>>200989853
>Not necessarily, if I play its a stack with other "veterans' so we get matched up with other people at level 30 with runepages and tons of characters.

This is only if you play with higher ranked people. If you play Solo queue then this won't happen unless someone is smurfing. And even then, they won't be able to have decent runes and/or masteries at level 10.

>>200988538
normal and ranked elo are separate

it's not just possible but likely they play normals infrequently enough that they're getting matchmade against silver/gold elo players

>>200990659
Sometimes you must react to fast projectiles, you also have projectiles that you must have precise reactions. Imagine someone flashing around and you are trying to click on them while taking into consideration your own projectiles speed. However, most abilities are not projectiles or "skill shots"

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>>200990075
>and get vote kicked.
You cant get vote kicked

There is a tutorial, with the end of it being tutorial matchmaking.

Inside the game there are guides.

Outside the game there are guides.

>>200990853
>A team can run alot of different comps with different stats,ALOT.

>Poke then team fight
>Team fight
Only 2 viable league comps currently, correct me if I'm wrong, but Riot does nerf any comp that isnt these.

>>200989701

>Yeah they should make complex heroes like meepo,their the most popular heroes while heroes who are easy to get into and hard to master like pudge never get played.

people love meepo for the same reason they love invoker or pudge, because they are novel and functionally unique. Honestly meepo isn't even a good example on your part, since his high difficulty curve is the best thing about him, the very act of picking him makes people go apeshit and adds excitement before the match even begins.

the problem with riot isn't just that they are balancing around new players, but that they are afraid of scaring away the lowest common denominator, which invariably fucks up game design and retards creativity so no potential customers are offput.

>>200991149
And thats no excuse for it happening at all.

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>>200990979
>implying that I'm not going ghost/exhaust

>>200991164
Dodging little projectiles that all have the same speed and flight behaivor doesn't take skill. All the heavy CC, counterplay, and resource management the game doesn't have takes skill.

>>200991259
Smurfs gonna smurf. This is nothing new for any game.

>>200991076

>implying they nerfed her Neurotoxin enough

Her design is just fundamentally retarded. Having two unavoidable point+click % health damage moves is inexcusable.

>only became fotm this past week

What?

>>200990979
>flash, exhaust, ignite, clairvoyance, ghost
>not even mentioning teleport
>noteven mentioning barrier

But people only use flash!

>>200991259
this can happen in literally any moba

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>everyone in this thread

>>200991308

>There are less than 10% of the champions in the game viable without flash, and even then they still benefit massively from Flash.

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>>200989701
So how much did you spend on LoL? Be honest. $100? 200?

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>>200987419 (OP)
>a dumbed down version of DotA/HoN/DotA 2
>character designs are juvenile and borderline pornographic
>clearly aimed at 14-year-olds
>graphics are hideous and outdated
>community is worse than other dotalikes, which is an amazing feat in and of itself
>developers are immature assholes who insult their customers and make terrible decisions
>heroes have little diversity, as many skills are identical
>tournaments don't want to feature LoL so Riot has to buy them out

Is there any wonder, OP, why /v/ hates LoL?

>>200991516
>I pull numbers out of my ass

>>200991484
It doesn't happen in Dota or Hon

>>200990979
you finding flash to be an issue doesnt make the game zero variety,zero strategy or make every champ a 1 arch gimmick. I enjoy flash/galio ult

>>200990715
>b-but it's more fun
You mean you like having to grind for new champions that are rehashed versions of old champions or stolen and watered down heroes from DotA?

Or being treated by Riot as a 14-year old cash cow who doesn't know shit about game design or what's actually fun?

Good for you.

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>>200991497
Who said he couldn't enjoy it?

Oh wait nobody. You just want to use your little strawman because you're a pathetic loser.

>>200991497
>Person claims easiest game in the genre has a super high skill ceiling, people inform him that he is incorrect.
>Same as telling a person he shouldn't have fun.
Autism

>>200991451

>clairvoyance

Okay, literally nobody uses this spell.

>>200991218
asian league. Yeah american and yuropeans are boring farmfests with poke but asians do crazy shit.

>>200991761
>Asians use a roaming support ganker, so revolutionary!!!
>Gets immediately nerfed in the upcoming patch.

>>200991645
Too bad it has a five minute cooldown so using it offensively is a waste

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>>200991623
>it doesn't happen in dota

>>200991623
[citation needed]

>>200991645

The game revolves entirely around flash.

That makes the game literally crutched to one aspect.

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>>200991615

>>200991917
If it can be used to set up offense properly then its never a waste.

A proper Galio ult can be gamechanging and flash helps a lot.

>>200991253
I love pudge, but i have never seen a meepo in dota 2 and about 15 meepos in one and a half years ive played of dota 1. How are they going to scare away the lowest denominator? the forums of league WANT an invoker-style champ and I think the creativity of league is fine, except for aatrox i swear someone son in Riot designed him

OP here, thanks for the heads up. I get the point: LoL gives you the feeling of variety while offering limited freedom in any role: most of the champions function the same with minor variety.

I'm now eager to give Dota 2 a shot.

>>200991701
>doesn't even read thread
what, reading too hard?

When 3 out of 5 newest champions are the same but with different "snowflake" to differentiate, it has to mean that the game is shallow and no fun allowed.

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>>200991923
>>200991973

>>200991761

Asian teams just start to.teamfight earlier and get towers fast.

It's astonishing how Europe and NA can't seem to wrap their heads around this

>>200992151
Oh boy you're up for some disappointment.

>>200992151
DotA 2 is far superior, but try not to play alone, if possible.

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Reminder that they initially inserted flash into LoL because the engine couldn't handle simulating turn speed so they had to add flash to prevent ranged heroes from utterly dominating melee heroes.

Oh wait how many melee carries are viable in LoL? That's right. None.

>>200987419 (OP)

LoL's high level play literally boils down to "who makes the first mistake"

It has nothing to do with skill, rather who drops their spaghetti first

>>200992151
You're going to hate it at first, but you need to just stick with it and try and go in with a clean slate instead of expecting it to be just like LoL.
But trust me, it's worth it.

>>200991761
>but they're so innovative!
>does the same lane swaps DotA is known for but nothing changes except the AD carry and support goes top, shutting down the top laner in exchange for giving up dragon control.

>>200992163
>Gets proven wrong
>Y-y-you're just dumb, baka
>Look guys, a-am I one of you yet?

>>200992296
You contradicted yourself with that statement you idiot

>>200991359
two?the spider one barely has any range and requires you to be in melee range. And her q has a high mana cost,same with corki whom they buffed everything but q for the sole reason that q has to be high mana because u cannot counterplay it.

>>200991923
>>200991973
What the fuck do you mean?
In dota, if I make a brand new account, I will be on the same footing as an old account.
Unless you think I'm talking about smurfing, which is beside the point.

>>200992323
>you're gonna hate this game
>but keep playing, it gets better! trust me!
>this is what dotards actually believe

I'd rather play the game that starts fun and continues to be fun.

>>200991597
>There isnt one thing i said that isnt an opinion

Elise's kit is what makes her OP. She's powercreeped HARD

Same thing with Jayce. That's why these two tear up the upper ELO brackets, because they have little to no counter-play available

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>>200992151
Try these before you begin.

DotA2 has an insurmountable skill ceiling and a very high skill entry.

Where the skill ceiling of LoL ends. The skill entry for DotA2 begins.

>>200992615
requesting the dwarf fortress fun comic

>>200992404
Where is the contradiction?

>>200992431
we were talking about smurfing

>>200992786
>they added flash so that ranged heroes dont dominate melees anymore
>there are no melee ADC carries even though there is flash

>>200991915
that doesnt mean ther is 0 strategy,that means riot are fucking idiots that instead of putting it in balance with other methods they nerf it

>>200992316
isn't that pretty much the same with any high level sport?

>>200992296
The thing is, while having no melee carries is fucking awful, the turning speed is unbelievably frustrating in DOTA.

Seriously I don't want it to feel like my mouse clicks are travelling through toffee to get to the player. LoL's system makes the strafing mechanic more viable, thus allowing skillshots to be more viable (aimed shots rather than single target)

The adc lane is especially fun for this. Someone like ezreal or varus is great fun to play against, simply because of the satisfaction of dodging the skillshots

>>200992710
the tutorial teaches so many fucking stupid, horrible habits that it is cringe-worthy.

>>200992935
He said viable. Do you dress yourself?

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>>200992747
Dont have it

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>>200992635
Are you retarded?

>>200992214
none of those buttons say "no smurfs"

>>200993042
That works, thanks.

>>200991917
he needs to flash in for pbaoe no1 is retarded enough to just stand there and let him walk up to you

I appear to be in t..-the downloading queue?

>>200992963
>thinks turn rate has anything to do with turning 'speed'

you're a retard.

>>200992615
>i want a game to be fun when i jump in as an absolute noob who doesn't know anything about the game!
Go back to playing farmville then. Competitive games like DotA is not for you.

>>200993017
So flash has nothing to do with that.
In fact it never did and he's an idiot.
Ranged have access to flash too so it wouldnt ever be a melee buff no matter what.

>>200992635
>heroes have little diversity, as many skills are identical
>tournaments don't want to feature LoL so Riot has to buy them out

>opinions

>>200990635
i know this is a retarded image meant to incite a reaction

but

I really don't see how anyone could ever argue that denying could be construed as 'griefing'

>>200992935
That isn't a contradiction. That's riot being shit at balance.

Seriously where did you expect to find the contradiction? Are LoLbabbies this stupid?

>>200992963
>I want instant turn speed
What you are really saying is "I don't want melee characters to be viable".
>thus allowing skillshots
There are skillshots in DotA2. Except you actually need skill to use those, unlike LoL.

FUCKING FAGGOT.

>>200992615
Well too bad for you, because that doesn't exist.
It's either fun at first but boring and shitty once you get past the skill climb, or incredibly counter-intuitive and difficult at first but infinitely deep and rewarding once you're in. Take your pick

Remember that you're only learning for a few months, and then you're past it forever.
Which do you think is more important?

>>200992019
you didnt say that, but I agree that in that aspect its crutched. I also think heroes like galio and alistar who dont have great gap closer to use their core moves who need flash

>>200992710
>DotA 2
>160k people online
>have to wait in queue for 6 minutes for a game
>the community is horrible toward newcomers, as it was during it's time as a wc3 mod

>>200992296
>>200992963
I dont get what the big deal with a lack of melee carries.
Just pick a bruiser. Also melee, viable and offensive.
Often capable of shutting down ranged ADCs easily.

>High skill ceiling
>4 or 10 potential buttons to press, along with right clicking

Fuck off.

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I used to really enjoy dota 2. But i didn't enjoy having an entire team of slavs or BRs.
Completely ruined the game, especially when they keep disconnecting and have no fucking idea what they are doing.

>>200993305
When you have that much stockholm syndrome from LoL giving you xp and forcesyou to farm heroes you don't need logic.

>>200993326
quality dota poster

>>200993315
Of course its a contradiction.
If flash got added to improve the melee situation then it would have made an impact, but it didnt.
Flash was never intended to be used the way you said to begin with.

>>200993315
>There are skillshots in DotA2. Except you actually need skill to use those, unlike LoL.
This.
Aimed abilities in Dota are all built heavily around being such and feel like they need to be.
In LoL they just decide to make every other regular ability a "skillshot" because hurrr higher skill cap

>>200993248
are you seriosuly trying to imply tournaments dont want the largest user base possible?

you sack of shit, CoD gets featured at tournaments

I've played over 250 hours of an awesome game for free.

Regardless of its faults, it is easily one of the best moba games out there.

>>200993450
Chess could be played with one button.

>>200993315
No, read my post again. I actually said
>while having no melee carries is fucking awful
How in god's name does that translate to "I don't want any melee carries" ?

I'm just pretty sure there are going to be other ways to make them viable apart from the turning rate, which I find fucking frustrating.

also, Fiora.

>>200992247
why the fuck would you ask a board that the majority hates league about why you should play league?
tommorow u gnna go to the north korean forums to get reasons on why america is so great?

>>200988538
If you could carry yourself out you would have.

You're not good enough to be in anything other than bronze.

Of course /v/ will hate this opinnion. Most of the faggots here played 1 game, got #rekt, got told they were scrubs and now they think "lel casul gaem."
I prefer Dota

>high skill ceiling
>>>/vg/
Stay in your containment board.

>>200993673
Well its easy to be "one of the best" when theres only 3 worth noting.

>>200993315
> Except you actually need skill to use those, unlike LoL.
Explain because that doesnt make sense.
Both work the exact same way.

>>200993549
>If flash got added to improve the melee situation then it would have made an impact
I'm going to heal someone by stabbing them in the face. Because my intention was to heal them they will now be fully healed!!!!

Don't you see a problem with that logic? Because you're acting as if there is no problem with that logic.

>>200989701
The ten dollar compendium is actually to increase the prize pool. Not that you care because you don't know anything about the other game.

>>200992296
I have no defense and agree this is an issue

>>200993489
The funny thing is I am actually a dota player, you're still a faggot though.

Only thing i preferred in LoL was surrender.

I'm tired of 80 minute games that were decided the second their Carry got 5 minutes of free farm.

>>200993395
>>have to wait in queue for 6 minutes for a game
I love how this blatant lie has become the last line of defense for lolfags.

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>>200993736
I didnt know that /v/ was a hivemind.

>>200993450
Video games that focus on mechanical skills like pressing buttons and clicking fast are the bottom of the barrel in the "e-sports" world.

>>200989387
IP boosts aren't efficient.

>>200993609
muh skillshots are better than ur skillshots hur dur

Jesus, neither game requires skill, how have we not all concluded this yet?

>>200993734
Without turn speed melee characters will not be viable due to kiting you fucking moron.

>>200993398
I'm the guy you're replying to, who was arguing pro-skillshots

bruisers are shit because they're boring and have an incredibly low skill cap. Seriously bruisers are designed for retards. I mean, look at singed's skill set.

>high skill ceiling and competetive play is kind of appealing.

the people who actually understand what a high skill ceiling is all play dota

>>200993819
Flash was never there to make melees more viable.
You're an idiot.

Tried it, have nothing against RTS gameplay, but LoL felt...dumbed down/stupid.

No single player campaign sucks, multiplayer community is cancerous. There are better games out there.

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>>200993963
NO YOU FUCKING MORON

I GET THAT

I KNOW

I UNDERSTAND

ALL I WAS FUCKING SAYING WAS THAT THERE MUST BE SOME OTHER WAY OF MAKING MELEE CARRIES VIABLE

SHIT MAN

SHIT

>>200993456
I wish I could play with/against bad slavs again.
Sometime after my 1000th game or so all I'm playing with against are stacks/tryhards/pros.

It sucks getting stomped on by Puppey and Friends just as much as it sucks to be the "random" in some streamerfags party.

The level of play is so high that a single mistake can fuck up whole games and the constant pressure is annoying.

I ended up making a new steam account just so I could play low level dota and not care about it that much anymore.
Especially now I can play heroes I'm bad at / want to try out without being in low priority hours later because I got a stackreport due to not being at 120% but just at 80%

>>200987419 (OP)
Because there is an immense amount of dotards.

An IMMENSE amount of them

Have fun with lol, it's a pretty nice game.

Dota is pretty good too, they are both good games.

Have at me bitches

>>200987829

>did placements when I was fresh 30

lel you suck at this game right now. There is a big difference between playing baddies trying to level and playing against 30's

>>200993929
The ones based on wins are not. But the ones based on time sure as hell are.

>>200993450
Name a game with "high skill ceiling" then.
>inb4 spreadheet simulator

>>200993896

To be fair LoL had like... <10 seconds when i played a year ago.

Dota2 is better but its queue times usually go for a minute or longer and its even worse when you get stuck on 9/10 only to be put back in the queue.

>>200993813
Example:
Ashe ultimate - Arrow that flies far and the further it flies the more damage it deals and the more it stuns. Has a gigantic hitbox and does not hit creeps.

Mirana arrow - Arrow that flies far and the further it flies the more damage it deals and the more it stuns. Has a small hitbox and hits creeps.

Blitzcrank hook - Almost instant hook to a hero. Cannot hit (you own) creeps. Has extremely short range to make it even easier to hit.

Pudge hook - Very slow hook with huge range. Can hit anything.

And so on.

What's a good starting hero for a scrub in Dota 2?

I've played a few games with Templar Assassin and conquered easy bots but on medium I'm getting wrecked, as well as my team and the game drags on very long.

>>200993829
>you cant play both games
I played dota 1 longer than league. If its true I was wrong
faggot

>>200993809

Fair.

There are only 3 free to play games that I personally enjoy. League is one of them.

>>200994190
>ALL I WAS FUCKING SAYING WAS THAT THERE MUST BE SOME OTHER WAY OF MAKING MELEE CARRIES VIABLE
Name one. Riot's answer was giving everyone a shield, nuke and a dash.

>DotA pro games
>BEAUTIFUL ECHO SLAM BY EARTHSHAKER AND I-A HUUUUUUUUUUUUGE BLACK HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLE FROM ENIGMA
>LoL Pro games
>AND A BEAUTIFUL FLASH TO ESCAPE, OH WAIT A SECOND, WAI-HE USED HIS OWN FLASH TO FOLLOW HIM

5 more years. 5 more years until this godforsaken MOBA/assfaggots genre will face a downfall of epic proportions.

>>200994214
In the game, dota's community is better

on /v/ the dota community is fucking awful. Seriously there's such a sickening superiority complex it is one of the only things that honestly makes me want to leave this place and never come back

>>200993968
Singed is a great champ, but he's not your average bruiser anyways.

The skill cap for your average melee carry and bruiser isnt much different anyways, its just that the lack of tankiness fucks melee ADCs over in LoL.
Bruisers are ultimately the same shit only that you build some tanky items on them.
And personally I dont mind the idea of having melees build some tankiness to survive up close.

>>200993901
>there are pro league threads too anon-kun~
where?

>>200994190
>complaining about turn speed
KILL YOURSELF.

Downloading Dota 2 as I write.

With high skill ceiling I meant co-ordination and functioning as a team. It seems most of the people posting here have the idea right clicking an enemy or aiming your Q is even considered skill. No, I'm talking about warding, ganking, positioning and such which don't come to play often in babbys first moba game.

Don't get me wrong, I understand Riot gave all this a fancy sugar coating to make said ceiling look even higher, which again is why I'm giving Dota a try.

>>200994359
http://www.devilesk.com/dota2/apps/herodifficulty/results/

For the most part, lower rated heroes are easier

>>200994359
Depends, Juggernaut for melee and Zeus for ranged. Zeus is pretty easy and pretty op if use properly.

>>200994190
I FUCKING AGREE, GODAMN TURN SPEED FEELS AWFUL

>>200987829
>i suck at this game
>it's the games fault

cmon if you're not at least >gold IV just don't tell us that the game is bad, no bro it's you

>>200994359

Either a support if you know how to stay alive or someone tanky if you die alot.

Omniknight is pretty good for both. Lich or Vengeful Spirit are good too.

Don't forget to ward.

>>200993963
Melee characters are viable though.
Shit like Wukong and Olaf is still around.

>>200993923
there are no games like that considered esports besides starcraft, which I find to have low skill because all you need to do is be able to macro fast enough to control all your units and then send them in swarms to attack the enemy, there is hardly any strategy at all. also why rhythm games are not esports because they are all about pure muscle memory and have 0 strategy

>>200994316
LoL does queue really fast. They also have less regional servers though.

>>200994460
I'd say that the community is more mature, not better.

I feel you get less childish retards, but about the same amount of retards

Also ruskies gonna rusk

>>200994359
Templar is a bad idea because there's a degree of micromanagement with the traps, leave her be for the moment.

Omniknight is fun.

>>200994586
Go read the wikia or "welcome to dota you suck" like, now.

90% of the "OH GOD ENORMOUS LEARNING CURVE JESUS CHRIST SO HARD" is just learning how the mechanics in the game woek

>>200994692
i think he meant carries

>>200993947
if DOTA 2 required no skill let me see you go queue up right now and win the game in an utter landslide 100% of the time since you think you are so pro at video games. I am serious here you are being retarded

>>200994323
And then there's skillshots like Corkis Rockets that arent anything like that at all.

Thats some grade A cherry picking right there.

And Blitz hook being shorter is a downside, not a plus as you try to portray it.

>>200994709
Exactly, which is why "hurr the game only has 10 possible active skills and items" isn't an argument, it's how you are able to use and combine them that defines the skill ceiling.

>>200994452
More like
>Dota2 pro games
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ldq1afiKQb8
>LoL pro games
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55KbnobmfhM

>>200994427
how about a delay on ranged firing after turning

would be hard to implement but could work out. Would stop kiting to a degree.

>>200989421
yeah

but tournament are free at least

>>200987829
>mfw as soon as I started picking Karthus I just carried every game so hard I got out of silver in a week
sure bro

>>200994781
In all honesty, if he comes from any other RTS the traps are easy peasy.

Hell, it's almost like casting a spell, only you have to draw a square before, if he is doing good with her I say he keeps on

>>200994715
I think this is a good thing, my number 2 reason for not playing dota is the community is fucking horrendous, and the russians i get because you can choose to play on servers from any country make me wanna tear my hair out.number 1 reason is no icarus

>>200988695
>but that makes no sense, if the skill ceiling were high there would be less competitive play because few people would be good enough to compete at the highest level.

Yeah this is actually the case

There's only like 7 people who are good at LoL

>>200994487
Well this one here is one.
Nobody asked dota niggers to invade.

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>>200994586
http://www.purgegamers.com/welcome-to-dota-you-suck

>>200995051
well he said that he's failing to beat bots on medium

I'm gueessing he doesn't have a background in RTSs

damn that looks awkward pluralised

>>200988294
>>200987724

That "high skill celiling" is as high as checkers:

here's the skill level equivalence:

LoL = checkers

HoN, DOTA = Chess

Most of the other RTS games = actual military strategy

Any game can add a ranking system and that won't make it competitive, awesomenauts ahs a ranking system and it's easily one of the most casual games I've ever played.

>>200994323
You have to take into account two things, champions in lol have more mobility and there is no turn speed.

If skillshots were made as they are in dota nobody would hit shit, ever

>>200994781
omnikight isn't a good idea for a noob at all, you can easily fuck up by using repel on the wrong person at the wrong time and mess up your heal
>>200994959
all you have to do is give the melee carries more slows and stuns as well as movement speed increasing moves like in DOTA, in which melee carries are extremely viable

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>>200994852
They go in, they do damage, they receive kills.
The only difference is that they have different build orders from ADCs.

Its a different game so you build shit differently.
It only really sucks for the select few existing melee ADCs like Tryndamere, but LoL never had too many of those anyways, and apparently even Tryndamere is getting some active playtime lately.

>>200995240
And then there is SC2 = Ludo

>>200995240
Does Chess have lots of random elements and make you rely on bugs to succeed?

>>200995057
You can choose to play on any server in LoL too. There's a change region button on the loader.

How the hell can you play a game like dota 2 by yourself?

>>200989201
>>200989027
With all other factors disregarded, simply having a large champion pool is a huge advantage.
You cannot argue there is no pay 2 win.

>>200993042
the one on the right is so much more satisfying though

>lol is a pay2win

meanwhile you can't by runes with rp

>>200994930
>"Perfect getting out of that situation"

How is that even considered casting.

>>200995240
>RTS games = actual military strategy
are you literally autistic? that is so retarded

If DOTA2 was so much better of a game than LOL, then why does LOL have so much better porn?

Take that, atheists!

>>200995541
Literally the opposite of reality

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>>200995463
>broth mother

>>200995240

I'd say 40% of Dota's skill ceiling is getting used to the crappy UI.

Love the game though.

>>200992710

it's not unsurmountable, it's highe rthan LoL, but the skill celing only gets really hard when you enetr team games properly made, with actual strategy and guessing from both parties. Pub games are relatevely simple since it's based around not sucking as much as the enemy team.

>>200995293
I found that omniknight was a good introduction to the whole idea of buffs. You know, how they can actually be negative and shit. yeah, I came from LoL and let's be honest, it's really not that hard. wait for someone to run in, heal, immunity. pop on ulti for teamfights.

Str hero also means that he'll have health, so mistkaes will be less harshly punished. Passive is great for escaping or providing a team buff even when doing absolutely nothing due to panic.

>>200995343
nigga dont tell me its a different game, I have 1.2k games in league,shit like fiora and ad yi isnt viable while trynd has to have a broken endgame to even be a niche pick

>>200995541
Oh come the fuck on now.
Everyone involved in Dota2 has a huge inferiority complex and cant open his mouth without lashing out at LoL at least once per sentence.

>>200994930
holy fuck that dota play was AMAZING

>>200995415
>Buying champions with RP
>Now have more effective IP to spend on Runes

Just because you cannot buy them directly doesn't mean you don't get an advantage from saving your IP buy buying other stuff with RP.
Complex, I know.

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>>200995415
>lol is pay2win
>nobody is using that argument
nigga how bout you read before you post shit

>>200995463
>>200995541
>>200995616
>>200995665
>>200995738
>OH BOY 200 POSTS WITH NO SHITPOSTING, GOTTA FIX THIS

Someday you will get cancer and you will be like "Oh why god why"

This is why

>>200995746
Yi has his own AP niche now and that just leaves Fiora being meh.
Thats not really all that bad.
Got loads of other melees that work right now, they simply dont build full ADC.

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>>200995252
>champions in lol have more mobility
No.

In fact they move a lot slower than DotA heroes. That's why the map is like half the size of DotA2's map (also because the engine can't handle a larger map).

>If skillshots were made as they are in dota nobody would hit shit
Oh man you are hilarious. Please never try DotA. For your own sanity.

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>>200995463
You heard it here first guys, DOTA invented spiders.

>>200995404
That's the point

"All the heroes are free right off the bat" is literally the only selling point that Dota has, really

LoL's microtransaction model came about because Riot used to be a fledgling company and needed the dosh, they've been recently making stuff cheaper

>Really enjoy Broodmother
>Watch other people trying to play her
>Vlad's first and other horrifying shit.

Fuck sake. The only time, ONE ONLY TIME you get a Vlad's early is if the other team has gone full retard and left you alone on your lane since the start. You rock up an army of spiders, buy the Vlad's TO BOOST THEM and fuck towers.

Otherwise, you can't go wrong with a Soul Ring into Treads/Traqs depending on lane, then into a Orchid/BKB again depending on what you're facing.

>>200993139
lmao, you mean the smurfs that don't even last 5 games in a low MMR? you get placed pretty damn quick fyi

>>200995924
to be fair at least 50% of the posts in this thread are shit posts

>>200995971
And mermaids
And bottles