wow will kill wow

Oh shit, it's dead

Nobody says that anymore, except you

Who the fuck plays wow anymore?

is wildstar the savior of MMOs /v/?

Wow already died of old age. It's too late for any game to kill it because it's already dead.

>>190075825 (OP)
tabula rasa
lord of the rings

>implying wow isn't killing itself
I used to be a huge wow player, but it is dying. I said this a while back, no MMO will kill wow, the real wow killer will be the developers pandering to casuals who move from game to game and aren't willing to follow a subscription model for longer than a year or maybe a year and a half.

F2P h-here we go!

>>190075825 (OP)
the only reason i'd ever play WoW is because its free on Molten

>paying for games
>paying for games MONTHLY

TOP
FUKEN
LEL!!

>>190076251
8 million+ subscribers sure is dead

What about yout sides, OP?

>>190075909
Funny how it is true.

>>190075825 (OP)
>Wildstar will kill wow
how is that even thinkable? it looks like GW2 with shitty Torchlight graphics.

>>190076286
I'd play Lotro, if it wasn't for the RoI expansion.

WoW kill himself.

WoW is dieing by it's self, didn't it lose like 4million subs in the last year or so alone? It's only a matter of time before it's completely unprofitable and it either goes F2P for cash shop or just completely shuts down a couple months into Blizzard new MMO, Project titan.

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>yfw they had Tinker as a class next expansion with spells like clockwerk from dota

dat cogs on arena

But WoW IS dead, it's a shambling and rotten corpse that certain individuals who need mindless repetitive tasks with shitty gold stars on them to feel good.

>>190076169
No. I'm smelling overhype everywhere on it.

>>190076406

Of which 5 Million are the f2p Chinese. And another 2 million Chinese farmers on Euro/American servers trying to sell gold.

>>190075825 (OP)
Nobody has said Wildstar will kill WoW. It's really being made for nostalgiafags who miss 40 man raids and want to fuck robots.

...like me.

>>190076815
Will it have PvP arenas? I don't keep up with the news.

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>>190076637
>>190076637
>>190076637
This.

WoW isn't dead, not yet. It is however, dieing. Just last year they recorded a record 12million subs before Panda shit. Now it has close to around 8 million. It will be dead with a year or two, and by then they'll be closing it down or getting ready to for their next big MMO which everyone that used to play WoW will latch onto and it will become the next "unkillable" MMO. Why? Because they're popular and casuals rule the market, this is evident by shit like Skyrim.
>yfw the next TES game will be called Skyrim 2

>>190076924
It apparently has,
>World PvP
>Arena
>Battlegrounds
>Larger scale wars
>Player Housing War
and more which hasn't been talked about.

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>>190076664
>mfw when this adds no gnome or goblin lore and Green Jesus is now also a tinker

>>190076406
Dude they just fucking lost 1million+ subscribers last QUARTER. That's one of the biggest quarterly losses since BC, and subscribers are the lowest they've been since before the BC surge.

wow killed the mmo genre
now all we have are dumb themeparkshit wow clones
you could have prevented this

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>>190077050

hmm could be good...

dota2 > wow

>>190077528
How can you even compare them?

>>190076398
get a job scrub

>>190075825 (OP)
Wildstar has Vanilla World of Warcraft devs.
I'm not saying it would be the wowkiller, but it has potential to be more than a titanic.

>>190077080
>you'll never reclaim gnomeregan completely and lead azeroth into the future

ill w8 4 F2P

>>190077521
Maybe, I'm skeptical.

The exploration path looks cool as fuck, and means you actually have to explore and find new things which is neat, plus it involves making use of double jump, rolls and secret passages and even jumping puzzles / regular puzzles. And player housing allows you to actually build your own house and have wars with other players houses. BUT, then I heard about LFG and flying mounts, then again when I mentioned these two things on their forums I was told flying mounts are more like Flight Paths in WoW only you can set your own personal locations or some shit, just at no cost and LFG has no teleportation but it's also cross realm.

So far it sounds convincing, and I haven't said that about an MMORPG in a very long time. Probably since DAoC. But I'm still skeptical since every MMORPG since then has been garbage.

>>190077706
Ex-Blizzard employees sure do whore out their credentials a lot. So many games by various past employees have been such flops.

>>190075909

I was gonna post that same thing. Guess we are all thinking it.

>>190077706
Hellgate: London had original Diablo devs.

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People stopped saying that after Aion, man

WoW didn't do SHIT to the industry! MMO\MMORPG'S have always been similar and if not the same as this.

This is the GENRE!

If you want something different pick another genre. It's like someone wanting to play a FPS but instead playing a TPS then complaining.

This is the problem with you people. You keep complaining that the MMO genre is stagnant and boring but it's not. You can only change a game so much before it turns from an MMO to just a pure action game with online features.

>>190077706
Dat dellusion.
Shit will crash like every other WoW clone that was released after 2004.
Dont act suprised when half of the promises they made arent in the game like it was for the 20 last promising titles.

>>190077924
This, I've never heard anyone say wow will be killed past Aion.

>>190077706
This has been said about every mmo that came out post wow that I can remember.

>>190075825 (OP)
Only WoW can kill WoW, and it's happening now. Slowly. It is a slow, painful death. It's actually been happening for a while, you know. Losing subs dramatically.. soon WoW will be nothing but that game we all used to play, have fond memories of, and all that nostalgia crap. It will have at most 1m subs by the time it dies. Which isn't bad.

WoW had a great run, and they've made SO MUCH DOSH from it, compared to how much it cost to make

>>190077706

Vanilla WoW was shit though

>tfw never played a mmorpg
feels good man

>>190078023
>saying it has potential
>Dat delusion

Are you retarded?

>>190078142
Seems like you are retarded, because no one would see potential in the 30th WoW clone that will just do the same shit again but slightly worse than WoW does it.
I wish i was as naive as you.

>>190078224
>seeing potential in an mmo for the first time post wow.
>naive

Sure, okay.

>>190078138
I used to enjoy MMOs as a child, but not anymore. I kind of realized that they're just basically, a huge spreadsheet with graphics, with some kind of mathematical equation to manage stats.

>>190078138
When you play MMORPG's with some very close friends, they're some of the funnest games you can play.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_ynHyqAIRM
Not the best video, but it displays it perfectly and BEARly has and retardation. Tera is shit, but playing WoW vanilla and BC with my 2 bestfriends in highschool was some of the funnest shit I ever did.

>Y MMO that looks slightly interesting gets announced
>Oh hey X feature might be cool
>HOLY SHIT CALM DOWN /v/ STOP HYPING SHIT UP JESUS CHRIST
>SO MUCH FUKKEN HYPE LOL I CAN'T WAIT UNTIL YMMO FAILS
>I KNOW RIGHT I CAN'T STAND YMMOFAGS
>SAGE SAGE SAGE CONFIRMED FOR SHIT

wow died long ago with the release of wotlk

>>190078432
>Period with most subs in it's lifetime
>Dead

I'll play one when there's VR and it's a sandbox

>>190078432
That was the beginning of the end. 3.3. something I think the patch was.

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>>190078279
You think others haven't? You think this will be the chosen game that can dethrone the eternal one?

gw2 was the only one who actually looked good.

Black Desert KR open beta this December.

Are you hyped, /v/?

>>190078403
It's understandable when MMOs have a horrendous reputation for all being samey shit. There is so much you can do with the concept of a persistent world with large numbers of players online but all MMO companies continue to make nothing but stat grindy bullshit.

>>190075825 (OP)
>Aion will kill wow
>Star trek will kill wow

Who the fuck ever claimed this?

>>190078403
>Falling into hype, especially the hype created from /v/
It's your own fault

>>190078597
>Star trek will kill wow
no one

>Aion will kill wow
diehard koreafags

>>190078597
Idiots on the official WoW forums

>>190078527
Nah, I just think it has potential as a game.
I find "game killing game" thinking stupid.

>>190076460
>it looks like GW2

As long as they avoid the godawful class/ability system (abilities being tied to weapons? Fuck off) and give an actual sense of progression when it comes to leveling up, that won't be too bad. And their dev videos have already said they'll be sticking with the holy trinity anyways, so we'll be avoiding the shitty boss mechanics that plague GW2.

>>190078284
Oversimplification makes anything shit.

>wasd in an mmo
die

>>190075825 (OP)
it's funny, people think the game is dead just beacuse subs are down like 30% from their highest levels, 8 million people are still playing, which is more than every other MMO combined. WOW will die when WOW2 comes out, even then you will still probably have at least a few hundred thousand people playing it (more than a million if it goes f2p)

>>190078798
>implying trinity isn't shit mechanic

>>190078858
muh keybinds

>>190078968

But as we have seen from GW2, the trinity is much better than the singularity.

But, WoW has only just started to see the start of its inevitable decline. Sure, it's still number 1 at the moment, but the number of players are beginning to dwindle.

Blizzard might see a few return for their next expansion, but I can't see people staying for another, unless the next expansion completely revives the franchise. Which I doubt is going to happen.

It's for the best really, MMO's based on a monthly subscription are a fucking rip off, and it's about time people got sick of them.

>>190078746
Other mmos had potential too, in the end none of them made us of it though.

>>190079056
You haven't seen shit.

GW2 had the right idea but absolutely failed to implement it because their "balancing team" can't balance for shit.

>>190079394
Aye, but in my eyes, this has something others didn't.
It's not korean
It has 2 factions
Guys behind it actually know what they're doing.
It looks like it could be ran on a toaster.

>>190078678
You're doing it again. Being vaguely interested ≠ hyped.

>>190079620
>>It's not korean
>>It has 2 factions
>>Guys behind it actually know what they're doing.
>>It looks like it could be ran on a toaster.

Sounds exactly like Warhammer Online oh, wait that didnt end very well.

>>190079853
yeah, except these guys have done working stuff in the past decade.

>>190080124
Mythic had no long pause between daocs latest addons and warhammer so what you say is kind of not true.

> normal is simple to hard and to say otherwise is ignorant.

>normal is to hard. No matter how you square it it goes back to that. Now they may do that as you say and add another difficulty level in between but their stupid if they do. The raiding player base doesn't need more fracturing, the game doesn't need more difficulty levels. It needs better normals. In fact that is potentially the only change I would revert back to tbc for. One raid difficulty. It would basically force the raids down. Wayyyyyyyy down in difficulty.

>Normal mode is really easy. I mean, seriously it is. Just be sure to have the proper gear (which you most cetainly do) and follow the tactics... it's plain easy and simple.
>That's why so many people have completed it -- because it's so easy! Oh wait.

>Please stop saying it's easy. Get your heads out of your asses and understand that not everyone is you. THE ACHIEVEMENT FOR DEFEATING THE RAID ON NORMAL IS CALLED AHEAD OF THE CURVE:LEI SHEN. How in gods fucking name can it be tuned for normal raiders?

These are actual quotes from people playing the game currently. The game is not dead because it's losing subs, it's dead because people like this exist and are catered to. There is no game in WoW anymore, it's just a neverending gratification-simulator to keep those addicted playing.

>>190079853
should add EA isn't involved in it.

>>190079853
WAR died because of it's retarded as fuck double-confirmation on actions made it feel like you were playing through treacle and because it didn't have end-game content, like every game pushed out too quickly to compete with WoW.

>>190079010
i just don't get it
l2 was out for like 2 years before WoW and it had great mouse controls, what's the point of playing an mmo if i can't just play it in the background while doing something else with my other hand?

>>190080362
Hopefully Carbine doesn't cater too them in their raids and makes separate content for them.

wow killed itself

>>190075825 (OP)
I wish conan took off better, i love conan.
I'd totally play TMNT mmo though based off the comics

>>190077706
Guild wars 2 also had ex vanilla WoW devs. It doesn't mean shit nowadays.

>>190080362
How to fix WoW raiding:
- Reintroduce raiding progression that isn't killed every raid release.
- Raids get progressively harder.
- Remove LFR, make PUG tools in game not be fucking terrible

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But Guild Wars 2 already slaughtered WoW. At least in retail.

http://www.vgchartz.com/game/37350/guild-wars-2/

http://www.vgchartz.com/game/65124/world-of-warcraft-mists-of-pandaria/


In before assmad blizzdrones claiming that WoW has ten million subs without knowing how Chinese subscriptions work.

>>190080657
The performance and lack of content killed the game. Also I hated how everything was so boxed in and instanced.

>>190075825 (OP)
You forgot LotRO, DCUO and Tera.

if someone is interested: 1h interview about wildstar

twitch.tv....mmorpgcom/c/2293748

sounds great to me.

It's not going to die. People are stupid for thinking games up and "die" like that. Look at warhammer online, TOR, even look at how long SWG lasted after pretty much no one was playing it.

WoW still has a phase of total F2P (With maybe expansions still costing money) before it will even be considered close to dying. And with how many people will flood back after that point... I don't even know.

That said, I think Titan is going to be a stake through the heart of the beast. That's not necessarily it's demise, no, but it will definitely contribute.

I can almost feel the "bonuses" for WoW players moving over to it. It will split the community, and both will be crippled when titan doesn't meet the hype. Blizzardvision will go full panic, and up the f2p level cap to 40 in WoW, and we'll see new people flood in, and WoW will just keep getting bigger.

There's no game that could possibly stop it at this point.

All of that said though, i'm really fucking hype for rift going f2p, I loved that game when I had the chance to play it.

>>190080714
said 10000 people on wow forums.
got responded by blizzard "What about the casuals?"

>>190080724
The WoW figures they have don't include digital sales for MOP, you dumb cunt.

You seriously think 10% of the playerbase is playing the latest expansion?

>>190080724
But GW2 was still boring.

>>190080872
Nobody is going to flood back because the game is outdated and plain bad compared to titles like WildStar, Guild Wars 2 and even Rift.

It's dead and nothing short of a complete overhaul can bring it back to life. Pandaland flopping proved it.

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a-am i gonna kill wow guys?

i promise i wont be the biggest turd that ever hit the market this time, i swear!

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>>190080724
Too bad it's a shit game.

>inb4 arenadrone with GW2 reaction images trying to defend his grind/RNG dressup game

>>190080978
But people still play it SOLELY because their friends are. It doesn't matter if the game is shit or not. It's a huge game, and it's not "too big to fail" but, it's sort of like how people buy a 360 just because their friends have one.

People will come back when it goes F2P anyway, that ALWAYS happens with ANY game that goes F2P. It gets a huge boost in numbers for a while. WoW will be no different.

>>190080893
Casuals can get non-raid content (remember that?) or PUG.

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>>190080926
>10% of the playerbase
>he actually thinks the TEN MILLION are real

>>190081051
And shit sells. EQ was shit, WoW was shit and GW2 is shit. See the pattern here?

>>190080682
Yeah but Arenanet hired females, hence why GW2 was a steaming pile of shit

>>190081051
say what you want.
GW2 gives most fun for the price you pay from all mmos

>>190080985
>Implying Square can do anything right after the fusion
They are just mediocre nowadays.

>>190081142
>They're lying to shareholders and IRS but I know the truth
Okay

>>190080985

It'll be worse

It'll be the forgotten son of MMOs

Meanwhile while TESO and Neverwinter are all getting shit on, it'll be like ARR never existed, sliding under the radar into obscurity

>>190081098
b-b-b-but I work and have 4 kids and have to watch my reality television. how am I supposed to play a game that is the ultimate timesink and still do everything else? I pay $15 too so the entire game should revolve around me.

Average wowforums response.

So, wait, you actually think WoW is still worth playing after 3.0.2?

I don't even understand how people can be this delusional.

What MMO devs should understand is that they do not NEED to kill WoW, just make something else and different. Or something long forgotten like Ultima or hell even Ragnarok, the games that had zero handholding and would make player free of will and path once out of tutorial. But it should still have some activities other than grinding mobs to make the game competitive with other MMOs on the market

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>>190081283
>GW2
>fun
I think we need to have a little chat anon

>>190081283
Going to have to agree with this. I hate the lack of world PvP and how heavily instanced it is but the core gameplay is simply unmatched.

Really wish it was more like GW though, even if it meant even more instancing...

>>190081437
i think you need to stop trolling for no reason

>>190081437
If you play WoW or any other 1-2-3 MMO you really shouldn't talk. The only MMO more fun than GW2 when it comes to gameplay is TERA.

>>190081359
One day Blizzard will realise people like that only play the game until getting purples shoved at them for doing nothing is boring.

It's the journey, not the rewards, that keep people interested.

>>190080985
God no. I was so fucking hype for FFXIV, I have the collectors edition (which I got for $30 anyway cause they were overstocked) and that birth certificate shit (Which is really nice framed, looks like a diploma).

But still, the game was so standard. It wasn't as brutally difficult as launch FFXI, and it wasn't filled with enough shit to really be explorable. There were pretty big maps yeah but they didn't fucking have anything in them.

And then, I tried ARR in the beta about 2 months ago.

It was SO FUCKING BAD that I couldn't even run the game. It was lagging so horrendously bad my FPS was dropping to sub-20. It was totally unplayable in the tutorial area. I tried lowering everything to the minimum (even though I had a 640 at the time) but that only boosted me up around 5 FPS average.

It was ridiculous. I stuck through and got out the tutorial area and it got up to around 40 average but holy shit, the combat was bad.

>>190081394
OR, devs should realize that an MMO does not need to be a fucking spreadsheet with pictures. Why 'online game' is synonymous with 'grindan all day for gear' is beyond me.

>>190081549
>Tfw have GW2 collector's edition
>Only played opening weekend because faggot friend couldn't keep his dick sucking out of the game and broke up our social circle

>>190081386
These are the same people who somehow justified buying Diablo 3, anon. Blizzdrones have no fucking internal logic to them. They just suck on Blizzard's cock while convincing themselves that everything else is total shit. They're the most indoctrinated fuckers you will find, even more so than biodrones.

>>190081595
>pls giv epics i did 5 man dungun

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>you will never experience the joy of playing WoW for the first time

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TN4j4EX5Css

>>190081595
So uh, you prefer your dose of welfare as "I know shit about this game or my class, but I got the same gear as the guys in world top 10"?

>>190081640
>Missing out on Ulduar
You sure showed them.

>>190081684
There was no joy because I had played actually good MMOs and realized just how shit it was when you couldn't even build a house.

>>190080724
But yet WoW is not dead.

>>190081358
It's funny how much effort they are putting into the game only to have it be basically just another WoW clone. I wonder how much they're banking on the game to be a huge cash cow like FFXI given the recent announcements SE has made about their development plans (Huge shift over to shitty mobile games, no plans for VP/SO/Mana etc).

>>190081698
No, I prefer a game that isn't just pressing 123 over and over at reskinned enemies to get higher numbers. MMO gameplay is pretty shit across the board. All it is is insert time receive bigger numbers.

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>tfw neo /v/ is filled with shitty underages nostalgic about awful games like WoW and Halo

I don't even know why I come to this place anymore.

>>190075825 (OP)

How can you kill WoW with it´s own defective clones?

In order to grab market from WoW, you need to innovate. Otherwise everyone will just go back to the product with a fuckload of the same content.

GW2 had a nice start. Then came the fractions and gear treadmill. They also failed to make a solid foundation in the combat system, it´s just too boring.

>>190080724
>but my mom didn't took 130 dicks. At least in her anus.

Arenadrones are so funny.

>>190081751
Have you logged in recently?

It's fucking dead, even with x-realm. Good luck finding more than three people in a zone unless we're talking about a bunch of trialers ERPing in Goldshire.

>>190081591
>brutally difficult as launch FFXI
Tedious and clunky, MMOs are never difficult. Know to name things by their names, anon.

>>190081591
>the game was so standard

I never thought I'd ever see that word to describe vanilla FFXIV. It's quite possibly the worst game I've ever played from an even remotely respectable dev (so discounting stupid shit like Big Rigs). I'm not even trying to exaggerate.

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>WoW
>dead
WoW isn't dead but coma patients aren't technically dead either

>>190081848

Because you hate yourself, and you need to direct that hatred at others, preferably in an inoffensive, anonymous way, or it will eat you up inside.

Or maybe it's force of habit. I dunno.

>>190081884
>In order to grab market from WoW, you need to innovate.
lolno, enjoy hotkey based fantasy game #1123523.

>>190081928
>It's fucking dead, even with x-realm.
>Constant shitstorms about cross-realm meaning too many people in zones, world PVP actually happening, having to compete for spawns, etc
lol

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>>190081932
>being that guy
Well aren't you smart

>>190075825 (OP)
People play wow?

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>>190080985
ARR is fucking boring.

>>190082030
>world PVP actually happening

Except this hasn't been the case since the launch of Pandaria. Are you a marketer?

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>>190081549
>GW2 has fun combat
>there is literally nothing interesting to do with it other than grinding for ascended and cosmetics, lolzerg in WvW and fuck around in the dead as shit sPvP
Such a shame.

>>190082030
That was like the first week of cross realm

>>190082098

Do you play WoW or something?

>>190082076
Still more fun than WoW. Not that that's saying much.

>>190081932
By today's standards, sure. But it was infinitely superior to UO and EQ and whatnot in terms of its GUI. Plus you had to actually party with people. No soloing bullshit that seems to be so common nowadays.

>>190081937
Its gameplay wasn't really THAT bad was it? It wasn't anything special but it wasn't horribly flawed or anything (from what I noticed). It was severely lacking in content though, if that's what you meant, I definitely agree.

>>190081993

Honestly, the only MMO that is growing/keeping the same numbers aside from WoW is runescape(Which is a fucking Java game with 200k prime time). It should be enough as clue to devs to make something different. Guess not.

>>190081993
Exept this game actually has innovation.
Check the twitch link in this thread, explains stuff, for example, they have a whole new mechanic for raids, which no other game has done the same way.

Pretty sure Guild Wars 1 came out slightly before WoW

>>190081549
GW2 is fun for about one week of exploration. Rest of the game is pure shit.

>>190082076
I actually haven't looked at FFXIV at all since it crashed and burned. Can you explain a bit, anon?

>>190076124
who the fuck plays MMO's anymore? Nothing compares to WoW in the heydays anyways.

>>190082136
I resubscribed for Pandaria since I got tricked by marketers. Quickly discovered that the game was dead and still shit and then promptly left.

>>190081684

>playing WoW a week after release
>undead
>fucking around near the mountains on the western side of Tirisfal
>somehow get over them and down to the beach without dying
>can't get back over
>guess I'll just swim as far out into the ocean as i can before I drown
>swim west
>run out of fatigue
>die
>suddenly my fucking ghost is at the barrens
>graveyard rez
>no clue where i am at
>standing in the crossroads surrounded by orcs/trolls/tauren
>no big deal, though
>it's a whole new land to explore

One of my fondest memories.

>>190082112
That's my problem with it, really.

The gameplay is solid and fun as fuck but ArenaNet does NOTHING with it. At least fractals were kind of cool so I guess there is some hope of improvement.

>>190081591

>It was SO FUCKING BAD that I couldn't even run the game

BUT IT'S ONLY A _____

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>>190081884
>you need to innovate
>that feel when idiot mmo devs are innovating in the wrong direction
Just make a sandbox mmo with an interesting world and drop players in it.
You will never make a good mmo if you keep making ones that are focused around pve content people treat like an esport

>>190082182
>they have a whole new mechanic for raids
>raids

The fact that that is even in the game tells me it's the exact same shit. When I mean innovation I mean make a new fucking game, don't make ANOTHER loot simulator.

Please explain to me, why does 'persistent open world game with large number of simultaneous players' always translate into 'RPG focus on piss weak hotkey gameplay for the purpose of seeing bigger numbers appear on screen'.

Does no one else see the potential of MMOs outside farming for purple letters?

>>190076664
They own the content faggot.

>>190082182
>they have a whole new mechanic for raids
Why does every mmo have to be about fucking raids?
Who still wants to raid anymore? I just want a large interesting online world with a good community.

Conan should have killed WoW. That game was actually fun. Unfortunately the legions of shit eating kids can't into quality and as such have clung to that smelly turd until now.

And now they're clinging to new turds in the form of Neverwinter and Guild Wars 2. This genre has no hope and should be euthanised.

>>190082219

Beta up until recently only had one area to explore and like a level 20 something level cap

Early Game combat consists of the following:
No skills
Press X to not die
HP/TP Recovery that would make Wolverine jelly

>>190082509

>Interesting online world

You're good for about 2 months

>Good community

Internet.

>>190082536

>Conan should have killed WoW
>Funcom

>>190082154
>Its gameplay wasn't really THAT bad was it?

I dunno if you were around during alpha/beta, when there was numerous things being found wrong with the game and was continuously fed to the devs who basically ended up saying "fuck it" and released the game anyway (Thus leading to the 4.0 everyone knows about).

The game was poorly optimized, there were countless UI nightmares (even having mistakes in it that they never made in XI UI, which is really fucking impressive), there was a 5-second lag to doing almost any action because of the way the game was coded, you were limited to a bunch of shitty quests that had no backstory or expansion of the game's lore every 3 days or whatever, and as you mentioned, the game had basically 0 content. All those awful scores it got from magazines were earned. It was so awful that not even Famitsu dared to rate the game because they basically constantly brown-nose SE, and this time they couldn't release a review at all because they would not be able to please SE without completely obliterating what little integrity they had left as actual critics.

>>190082423
>>190082509
It's what people want. You may as well go yell at clouds.

>>190082410
>esport

Fuck this gay fucking concept so hard. MMOs shouldn't be esports, they should be world simulations. Why can't developers understand this?

My sides too

>>190082112
This is exactly it. They should've built more stuff on top of the solid combat and core mechanics, but it's been ages and they haven't done much besides Fractals.

>>190082594
People don't know what they want because people are fucking stupid.

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>>190082219
Leveling is 0/6 rats questing copypasted from WoW, combat is pressing 1-2 buttons.
Overall it's fucking boring and I couldn't play it for more than one hour.

>>190082224

I could never get into WoW

All my MMOstalgia came from Ragnarok

>>190082594
Why? 'MMO' isn't even a god damn genre. It just means there's a lot of players online at the same time. You can do ANYTHING with that, but we continue to get wow clones.

The people who play WoW now and the people who played it years ago is almost a completely different audience.

One is a skill based audience that enjoys the challenge that was presented in raids.

One is a babby grind to win audience that enjoys their raids being gear checks.

Incidently the grind to win aspect attracts a greater audience. Look what they have done to dumb down classes.

>>190082663
So they simplified it to the point of retardation and kept the boring gameplay?

Haha oh wow.

>>190082410

Well, it could work on pve focus, but it´s always the same shit with either dungeons/boss/raids.

>>190082509
>I just want a large interesting online world with a good community.

Well what do you want from the world? Video games are about presenting challenges. Challenges take the form of violent conflict. Raids are supposed to be the hardest content in the game - a fight that is more difficult than all the other fights that came before (at least that is how it us supposed to work).

So what do you want out of an MMO? A virtual chatroom? A game mainly about exploration? PvP?

>>190082687
Mah nigga.

>>190082705
The only challenging thing about raids was being a raid leader and having to organize a bunch of retards.

There was no skill other than that and knowing when to press your buttons and the raid leader usually took care of that too. From my experiences raiders in general are the most unskilled players around with a few select individuals carrying them all the way.

>>190082663
Wow is that image for real? Did they seriously take almost two years after trying to renew a game just to make that...thing?

>>190082718

Thanks WoW audience

>people say WoW is dead
>it still makes more money in a month than most MMOs will probably see in a year

Man, if that's dead... does that make every other MMO stillborn?

It's moot. The best MMO has already come and gone, RIP Ultima Online

>>190081993
All the innovation in the world couldn't save an upcoming MMO even if it tried for one simple reason: it has the Warcraft name and lore behind it, while this is more of a bad than good thing, it's storyline and characters appeal to the type of audience that likes casual fantasy, memes, and probably anime. It's also established itself with a shitload of other games before it, so they have the advantage of brand loyalty and a pre-established fanbase to boot

You can't just astroturf interest for an MMO that's literally been created out of the blue with an IP/franchise that appeals to only a hardcore/small demographic, especially if the games/media before are nowhere near the realm of MMO's, or something completely original (i.e. Wildstar) without something before it that already snagged a big fanbase

Tera comes to mind on this subject, an over-ambitious MMO billed as a WoW-killer, boasting an in-depth combat systen, yet it's also this brand-new fantasy IP created just for the MMO, and as a result, it's a bland as fuck setting and wallpaper attached to decent MMO mechanics. When the most buzz about it boils-down to the loli's, you've hit a hype snag

>>190082705

WoW was always about grind. Vanilla raids were not hard, they very much easier from individual standpoints. Proof of that are all the fuckers AFK during BWD.

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>>190082663
I've just come to hate all mmo combat at this point. Its all just flashy animations and ADHD action.
Why does every class need a 300 ability per second rotation

>>190082828
>knowing when to press your buttons

Isn't that the definition of skill for every game ever?

ITT: I got into it just to post "wow will will wow" but there is a massive torrent of people posting it already

>>190082828
As a former organizer I can attest to this. Raiders are fucking stupid. I got so burnt out doing that shit in WoW that I will never touch another themepark.

>>190082810
>Challenges take the form of violent conflict.
Says who? If you are making a virtual world why can't you be a trader that controls property and the flow of goods? Why can't you be part of a player government that controls the way the land works? Why does every game relegate every role except stab big guy in the shins to NPCs?

>>190082926
Not when it's yelled out by some other dude over vent, no.

>>190082834

That was Alpha

Each phase the cooldowns drop

But the problem is they are global

>>190082810
Let me guess WoW was your first mmo?

>>190082964

Because that is an MMO (which is why they are complete shit).

You might be looking for a different type of game. Or try Eve, I hear you can do all that shit.

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I saw a pasta about wow a few months a ago

> "WoW can only kill itself. You would be surprised how many other mmo's tried to take down WoW. There is a huge difference between WoW and the rest. It all began with warcraft 3. the creators had a dream to make an open world where heroes among us would rise up and explore Azeroth. What I am trying to say is, WoW is made by love and passion. If you just go back to the old interviews, you will see they are grateful and have more respect towards players than any other mmo. The creators openly said they adored and were everquest fanboys. WoW has parts of other stories outside warcraft and many easter eggs. WoW has this humor and drama. WoW is not about getting to kill that boss first or acquiring that certain loot. WoW is about experiencing a game. WoW is about sitting in orgrimmar waiting for the queue to end and about having your very first mount at lvl 20/40. It is about encountering enemy faction and getting into a serious conflict with it. I tell a lot, but if you never played WoW, you are missing out the MMO that will go into history as THE MMO."

>>190082880
This is also true, much of wow's success comes from the original Warcrafts.

>>190082923
What's wrong with fast-paced combat? It's fun.

Talking to WoWbabbies about the potential of MMORPGs is pointless because they just don't know any better. They've only played WoW and other shitty themeparks, they've never experienced the glory of UO or SW:G and never will since those games aren't made anymore.

>>190077924
Megaman V

>>190082810
How about a game like SW Galaxies were you could play the role of just a citizen in the galaxy. You weren't automatically this mercenary hero who teams up with 30 other jedis to kill the mudfish at Jerods landing.

>>190083018
Beta has reduced GCD from 3 sec to 2.5 sec. That's about it.

>>190083076
>WoW
>love and passion
>not the biggest cash in of all time

I love how delusional WoWfaggots are.

>>190083076
>pseudo-intellectual emotional crap

I don't understand what is wrong with EVE if you want a sandbox with political intrigue and economics. You could just play that. It's pretty good.

>>190082582
>buying FFXIV collectors due to goodwill from FFXI
Never again, Squenix, never again.

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>>190076969
it was up at 12 million at the end of WOTLK, dropped to 10 million in cata, went further down to 9 million after D3 and shot back up to 11 after MoP launched

MoP is a disaster and dropped it down to 8 million, lowest since 2006

WoW can only An hero itself.

So any way to make World of Warcraft better again?

or is it fucked?

>>190081283
there are free games much better that guild shit 2

>BUT THERE'S NO SUBSCRIPTION YOU CAN PLAY WHENEVER

gw2 doesnt even deserve to have a box price. it's trash

>>190083076
them feels

Everytime they interview metzen or morhaim or samwise, you can clearly see the love about the game. Bioware could learn something of this. I fucking wanted SWTOR to be a fucking good game...

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_uAbmka5Ko

loved that blizzcon

>>190083076
You forgot the last part.

>THE MMO THAT DUMBED DOWN THE ENTIRE GENRE TO THE POINT OF NO RETURN AND SIMULTANEOUSLY RUINED AN ENTIRE GENERATION OF GAYMURS

Go back to ribbit with this shit. Fuck you sicken me.

>>190083192

It´s a shitty lore. WoWs success comes from the fact that everyone got sick of Everquest and the only competition at the time was runescape.

>>190083257
>mine asteroids forevzzzzZzzzzz
>wait 2 years to upgrade skill

No, thanks.

>>190083056
>Because that is an MMO now
Fixed
SWG, Ultima and Runescape were things

>>190082883
The funny thing was, back when it launched WoW was practically grind-free compared to most of the other MMORPGS at the time.

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>>190083192
poorfags gonna poorfag

>>190083350
That and brand recognition.

>>190083139
this.
I guess their 'nostalgia goggles' are reinforced by the amount of money they've put into it too.

>>190075825 (OP)
Time is killing wow

it's just a slower death, but it's already happening

>>190083370
>wasting time mining yourself
>not ninjaing other people's jetcans

>2013
>playing wow

A game is not dead when they claim it is, but when nobody cares about it anymore.

>>190083385
>grind-free
>implying a raidfag with epics wasn't untouchable by bluefags in PvP

>>190083385
nigger you are beyond stupid

>>190083171
>How about a game like SW Galaxies were you could play the role of just a citizen in the galaxy

Well in today's industry, nobody is willing to fund that kind of MMO because it won't have WoW numbers. It's fucking disgusting, but that's the way it is, and that's part of the reason MMOs suck complete balls now.

And besides, everyone did something useful in SWG (besides squad leaders). Even the Entertainers who just RPed in cantina's all day treating the game like their personal chat room were used to heal mind wounds. enjoy your no tip, dancer/musician faggots

>>190083350
Actually FFXI was also around at the time (And before WoW came along I think it was actually beating Everquest). WoW got the players both because of the legacy of the previous titles and it being a lot more accessible than FFXI was.

>>190083350
>WoWs success comes from the fact that everyone got sick of Everquest and the only competition at the time was runescape.
Pretty much. I new wow was easier than EQ but I was just so burned out on it WoW felt like a casual vacation.

>>190083385

Not unless you wanted to raid and have an epic mount.

Sure, you could 10mans casually and earn dungeon gear and other blues though.

>>190083334
suddenly it is the fault of WoW which is the cause of other mmo's failing?


oh /v/, you never disappoint

>>190083494
You in charge of reading comprehension. WoW was casual and accessible in comparison with the alternatives at the time.

WoW will go F2P if it's truly dying and that will attract another couple million players.

>people actually think one single game can kill WoW

>>190083293
Make another Warcraft RTS, which probably won't happen since Starcraft is now the de-facto Blizzard RTS

>>190083293
world of warcraft was technically flawed since the start with very rampart deliberately made class inequity

there isnt really much that can save wows pve game, you could make it alot better but ultimately it will fall into the same mess it is in now

pvp still has promise however, most private servers these days have a dedicated pvp only realm

>>190083307
i dont disagree as everyone has different tastes.
But in most cases being 'free' is an excuse for all the flaws a game has.

>>190083562
Except it was one of the most gear reliant MMOs ever released. Did you play AO? UO? Any other MMO? No? Then why are you trying to reinvent history to defend this shitty skinner box?

>>190083567
It has 8.5 Million Subscribers at the moment. That's a fuckload of people still.

>>190083503
>>190083535

>proof that no one remembers vanilla and the games at time

>>190083683
It has less than two million in the west.

Read up on how Chinese subs work and why inactive ones are still considered active by Blizzard.

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>>190083139
>first mmo was WoW
>hear stories of SWG and DAoC
>that feel when you feel partially responsible for the death of mmos for playing WoW
I'm sorry guys I didn't know

>Nostalgia
>about WoW of all things.

What the fuck? It was shit on release and it's shit now. You're a bunch of braindead cocksuckers.

> ITT: poorfags complaining about WoW
> ITT: anons jumping on the hate bandwagon without even having played the game
> ITT: anons blaming WoW for the failure of their fav mmo
> ITT: anons just shitposting
> ITT: Wow fanboys defend WoW
> ITT: This thread is just bait

>>190083793
It's retarded nostalgiafagging. Sort of like how people talk about how wonderful vanilla was.

>>190083793
>DAoC killed itself with Atlantis
>Mythic figured this out and launched "classic" servers, was a band-aid but never really recovered
>Went on to make WAR, which was terrible for several reasons

Not your fault anon

>>190083793
>hear stories of SWG

The faggot fucking devs killed SWG.

Don't let anyone else tell you different.

>>190083314
HELL YEAH

i attended that one

shit was epic

>>190083901
Bioware killed SWTOR
LotrO is just playing to experience story via game

>>190083683
>go into random zone
>cross realm zones are enabled so all people playing in that zone are put in there
>type /who
>3 people
Sure is 8.5 players

>>190083824
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZuktUfF0nE

WoWfags are probably the worst thing that happened to /v/ after people finding out about 4chan from fox news.

>>190083793
You can't be blamed for it being your first MMO. At least you're not one of the retards who has to make it into the BEST THING EVER just because you got started on it. Those are the people keeping the genre in the pits and preventing developers from going back to making good MMOs.

The funny part is that once the developer delivers their vaunted WoW clone they abandon it within a week because it too is shit and they just don't have the emotional attachment to justify scarfing down that shit.

>>190083983
> go to CRZ
> fucking open world Horde vs Alliance fight going on

> go to CRZ
> muh ores/herbs

>>190083983
I don't think you can /who CRZers. I tried it when I was playing on a trial.

>>190083983
/who only works for players on your server.

>>190083656
>thinking that accessible relates to gear and raiding
WoW was accessible in terms of the interface and questing. NPCS were clearly labeled and had big exclamation points over their heads.

Most older mmos didn't even have a questing system. WoW made the whole leveling process easier
Yes I'm calling vanilla wow easy

I never thought a game coming out would actually cause WoW to die. I've had friends and guildmates talk about wowkillers, but they were just looking for games to kill WoW at least for themselves. I know one group who claimed Vanguard would be a wowkiller and they probably still play that game.

I wonder how many MMOs have truly died. I know some are so far past their glory days that they're dead to many, like Star Wars Galaxies.. and there have been a lot of bad cash shops, but it seems like even the most obscure and awful of those still have their loyal following, probably bolstered by those who dumped disposable income into the games.

Anyone ever notice there's always that guy in the military who's decked out in cash shop stuff, you talk to him and he's spent thousands on the game just because.

>>190083912
They killed it trying to make it into WoW because that's where the money was.

Daily reminder that EvE is the only MMO to have continuously gained subscribers every year for the past decade.

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>>190084057

>>190075825 (OP)
WoW has been dead for a long time anon, you have to let it go

You guys may as well just hop on the iRO2 or Wushu f2p bandwagons over at /vg/.

Wushu is fun pvp and wacky mechanics like forcing defeated players into sexual slavery.

iRO2 is okay, but it's got that RO cutesey aesthetic and nostalgia for you to ride too. Also a lot of ERP with cute hats on.

>>190084127
>They killed it trying to make it into WoW because that's where the money was.

The game was fucking bleeding subscribers from day one because it was a buggy, broken mess. The NGE/CU stuff was all just nails in the coffin.

It had amazing potential, and will always be my favorite MMO. But whoever the FUCK did the playtesting/quality control for that game needed to be taken out into the street and shot.

>>190084127

There is no money in copying WoW, i do not understand how theese fucktards don´t get it. WoW will always be the best at being WoW, if not by the features, atleast by the massive amount of content and additional updates.

Blizzard will kill wow

>>190084105
Cow Clicker is as accessible as it can get and yet that doesn't stop it from being a grind. WoW was a shallow and easy MMO but it was still a grind. And I'd say the questing just made it worse since you had to go through the exact same thing with every character.

>MMOs only focused on "killing WoW' instead of making an enjoyable game
>trying to "kill WoW" by imitating it
>WoW is already killing itself so every MMO kills itself as well

MMO dev logic.

>people play wow because its an mmo and not because its warcraft.

honestly i just play wow because i like warcraft, not because its an mmo.

>>190084323
> mfw Rift advertized with 'anti-WoW' slogans

>>190078382
jesus christ I cant breathe

>>190084320
No one is arguing that its not a grind. I was just pointing out the accessible claim was toward how the game played not the raiding

>>190084323
This is funny only because of how true it is

>>190084307
And the fact that no one wants to abandon the months and months worth of time or the hundreds to thousands of dollars they have invested in wow.

Make a new fucking game that takes advantage of being MMO or you die, no one gets it.

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>>190084213
>Wushu is fun pvp and wacky mechanics like forcing defeated players into sexual slavery.

>>190084213
>forcing defeated players into sexual slavery
What?

>>190084401
I play WoW because i like it
not much looking into
I also owe blizzard for my getting me GF (now engaged)

>>190084435
You wot?

>>190083385
>back when it launched WoW was practically grind-free compared to most of the other MMORPGS at the time
>practically grind-free
>grind-free

The only thing it did was force a bunch of shitty quests down your throat.

>>190084465
Rift is still going.

Sadly the devs are more focused on the 3(wtf) other MMORPGs they're making.

>>190084323
But they're not copying WoW, they have (gimmick regarding raiding/leveling/grouping) that only make it marginally different from WoW.

>>190084474
Don't. JUST DON'T.

I actually downloaded it and the gameplay is so fucking bad Shadowbane comes across as engaging.

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>>190084213
>i can finally be a submissive cock slave to horny asians