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>Persona 5 announced
>It's also coming to xbone
>"We didn't want to alienate the new fans so we toned down the difficulty"
>"We wanted more modern appeal so we swapped the soundtrack for dubstep"
>"We didn't want the game to feel too Japanese so we removed all social linking and world maps"
>"We've also decided to add some orcs, elves and other high fantasy personas to summon"

This will happen within the next year. How does that make you feel?
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>>194972895 (OP)
>"We wanted more modern appeal so we swapped the soundtrack for dubstep"
Unforgivable
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>Persona 5
>Xbone, not the Wii U

Atlus seems pretty buddy buddy with Nintendo at the moment. I'd expect a PS4 and Wii U version if anything, in all honesty.
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>>194972895 (OP)
>Pesona 5
>not an Wii U exclusive
shiggydy diggydy doo
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Considering the Xbone is not even launching in Japan, at least for the time being, I really doubt Atlus will release p5 for xbone
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Good. Personafags are cancer, let the series die.
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>>194973736
>>194973962
Guys.
Let's say you're right and Persona 5 comes for the Wii U, exclusive.
How does the internet react ?
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>Muh WE ARE LIVING OUR LIVVVESSSS
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>Persona
>difficult
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>>194972895 (OP)
I have faith.

They haven't let me down yet.
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>>194974289
>RPGs
>difficult
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>How does that make you feel?
I don't care because it's a bad series
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>>194972895 (OP)

>Anything coming to Xbone
>Implying devs will side with a sinking ship.
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>>194972895 (OP)
>wubstep
I would shit. I could care less about the difficulty
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>>194972895 (OP)
have you seen SMT 4? They ain't toning down shit.
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>>194974472
>Video games
>difficult
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>>194972895 (OP)
>all social links will be pre-planned for you
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>>194973736
That would be great. But no chance.
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>implying Nintendo isn't about to buy Atlus
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>>194972895 (OP)
I won't care because I don't touch this shit series of games
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>>194974592
>SMT
>Persona

It's almost as if their not the same thing at all
!
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>>194974000
Just like SE won't release KH for xbone right?
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>We wanted more modern appeal
>So we asked Hideki Naganuma to do the soundtrack
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>>194974026
Go fuck yourself.
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>"We didn't want the game to feel too Japanese so we removed all social linking and world maps"
So they make the game better?
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>>194974102
probabbly something along the lines of "HAHAHAHAHA, TAKE THAT SONYGGERS, YOU JUST LOST ANOTHER EXCLUSIVE" or something like that
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>>194974631
>difficulty
>difficult
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>>194974516
>FFXV
>KH3
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>Playing weebshit
>Ever thinking casual weebshit was difficult in the first place
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>>194974748
I haven't play any Persona game besides Innocent Sin, but I'll buy ten copies if that happens.
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>>194974708
You seem to have shit taste.

I recommend you purchase an xbox one.
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>Persona 5
>Wii U exclusive
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>>194974898
>me fucking your tight little ass
>difficult
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>>194974837
>No social links
>No world map
>Better

Go back to Skyrim you casual piece of shit.
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>>194974026
this
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>>194972895 (OP)
they can have purseowner, just don't touch the other Megaten series.
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>>194972895 (OP)

>"We didn't want the game to feel too Japanese so we removed all social linking and world maps"

OP confirmed for baby who's first Persona game was P3. You people are cancer.
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Nah, Atlus is in bed with nintendo right now so It'll either be 3DS or Wii U exclusive or multiplat.

Consider how popular 4 was it'll be another watered down experience with lame characters. if it's 4-2 I'll kill myself
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>>194974961
>Weebshit
>>>/Ledit/
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>>194974026
mai nigga
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>>194974883
Pretty much this.

Also I don't see Atlus making a Persona game a Wii U exclusive. I can see them making it multiplat like Catherine was.
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>>194975223
>most of /v/
>Playing good games
>Playing games at all
ur the cncer fgot git out u niwfag xD
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>"We didn't want to alienate the new fans so we toned down the difficulty"
Persona wasn't the epitome of challenge in the first place, at least not the main story

>"We've also decided to add some orcs, elves and other high fantasy personas to summon"
Like in SMT?
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>>194974907

>Square
>Being relevant

Pick one
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>>194972895 (OP)
>It's also coming to xbone
Understandable

>"We didn't want to alienate the new fans so we toned down the difficulty"
Debateble, they could just add difficulties, like begginer and very hard
they did this in P3P and P4G, no way they'd do that now

>"We wanted more modern appeal so we swapped the soundtrack for dubstep"
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
yeah, no, not even over meguro's dead body

>"We didn't want the game to feel too Japanese so we removed all social linking and world maps"
are you even trying

>"We've also decided to add some orcs, elves and other high fantasy personas to summon"
nope
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>>194973461
JOKE'S ON YOU BUDDY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyidKAIaTiI
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>>194975362
>Catherine 2
>Exclusive to the Wii U
You'd play it.
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>>194972895 (OP)
They have a very loyal niche carved out by P3, and even farther by P4. If anything P5 will be even more kawaii high school adventures, and by saying it will be different from the other titles they mean they're dropping all gameplay and going full VN.
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>>194975223
>Hurr everybody who likes 3 and 4 is a casual who didn't play the first 2!

How about you go fuck yourself?
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>>194974963
>Entire game has a JSR-like artstyle
>Every Persona has a weird futuristic design
>Game is about kids making a "Pact" with a "Devil" to make their wishes come true, a band of heroes try to stop things going out of control and bring peace to the city.
>Shadow Ops / P3 Cast / P4 Cast mostly appearing for a few scenes, not taking focus from the main cast
>When you fight the main antagonist, the main theme starts to play : UNDERSTAND UNDERSTAND

Yes or Yes ?
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>>194973736
Well, Atlus published Dragons Crown for the PS3 and Vita only. Because of that I won't consider them in bed with Nintendo, or anyone for that matter. They seem to release series on various systems
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>>194975514
They would have been if they stopped sucking M$'s dick.
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>>194975886
yup totally dubstep
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>>194975117
Social links are a pox on the series, they're poorly implemented.
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>>194976084
>Revelations
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>>194976038
>they're dropping all gameplay and going full VN.
Oh God no, P4 had too much VN gameplay as is. It could have used a bit more exploration and maybe some minigames or outside dungeon battles.
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>>194976318
I agree, they could use some work. The writing in 4 was particularly bad
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>>194972895 (OP)
>Persona 3 is announced
>It's coming out for the PS2 instead of the PS3 later that year
>We didn't want to alienate the new fans, so we simplified press turn combat
>We wanted a more modern appeal, so we swapped the jazzy and electric songs from P1 and P2 into rap and hiphop and hired Lotus Juice
>We wanted to capitalize on the anime market, so we added gameplay of just talking to people and highschool wackiness
>We also decided to make it have nothing to do with Jung, or psychology in general
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>>194975886
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyidKAIaTiI
That's nothing like dubstep, you retard.
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>>194972895 (OP)
>"We've also decided to add some orcs, elves and other high fantasy personas to summon"

I would not mind this as long as it has ties to various folklore like the other personas you can summon.
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>>194976471
>You're a plague for this world !
>No, YOU'RE the plague !
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>>194976084
I stand corrected, I'm an enormous faggot.
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>People actually think this is going to happen
Are people so jaded that they're predicting shit like this for absolutely no reason?
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>>194975886

For fucks sake, Atlus
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>>194976612
Well, there's always this...
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>>194975906
>catherine 2
>believeing it will ever happen
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>>194976415
>Implying
Again, go fuck yourself casual. Real men own both.
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>implying Atlus will survive long enough to release P5.
Index is going under.
RIP in peace Atlus.
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>>194976481
I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO PHILEMON DAMNIT
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I'm not saying I'll go anything to get my hands on P5.
But if it's announced... I just might....
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>>194976756
>He doesn't like SMTIV's OST
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>>194974738
>implying SE is smart
KH on Xbone with none of the other games being released on a Microsoft system is fucking retarded.
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>>194975886
That's not dubstep
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>>194976857
Nice, my favorite is Elly, she's cute.
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>>194972895 (OP)
>We've also decided to add some orcs, elves and other high fantasy personas to summon

This wouldn't be very out of place in any MegaTen game, they draw demons from so many sources. Pic related is the Chupacabra.
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>>194976481
Have you actually played 1 and 2? The gameplay is just awful. And yes, I played them before 3 and 4. Sometimes change is good. Persona 3 and 4 were amazing games.
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>>194976794

<3 SH1 and SH2...SH3 can suck a dick. I think SH2 is one of the best games the PS2 has to offer.
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>>194977040
>Have you actually played 1 and 2?
Of course I have, they're my favorite.
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>>194976684
>Are people so jaded
All we're doing is making reasonable predictions based off of current trends.
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>>194976794
So what is this game?
Does it have legitimate Cthulhu Mythos in it? or is it just as creepy and surreal as fuck?
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>>194976481
And it turned out to be the best of the four.
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>>194976857
No point in owning a gimped version of the game, original Japanese playstation release or bust.
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>>194977287
Except why the fuck would you ever think Atlus would do any of this?
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>>194976975
I'm aware of that, my point is people are fucking stupid.
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>>194976481
>Do persona muh way or it sucks
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>>194977409
That PSX ost, man. RIP Aoki.
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>>194977503
>muh social links
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>>194976883
Atlus is one of the only parts of Index doing well, if that happens they'll probably be bought by another company.
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JRPGs that aren't megamoney like Final Fantasy will not be developed for the one because most of these games are only budgeted for success in Japan - A localization picked up by a publisher is generally icing on the cake.

Jap devs will not develop for the one because they aren't going to budget for a console that isn't released in their country. Atlus might develop for the one because they have their own publishing arm in America (Not Europe though) but these games are still niche enough that it's unlikely they'd bother
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>>194977306

It's Shadow Hearts. It's...a mix of weird demonic shit and goofy weirdness at the same time. It's has a dark atmosphere and it's also incredibly goofy.

I highly recommend you play Shadow Hearts: Covenant if you're into RPGs. Shadow Hearts 1 is a lot more dated, flawed, and less polished.
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>>194976975
Who the fuck actually cares about that game being multiplatform? I hate the Xbone as much as the next guy, but if anything that's a good thing.
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>>194977035
No I mean full Skyrim mode.
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>>194977662
I could imagine nintendo buying atlus, if not just to keep the smt x Fire emblem game that they're funding alive.
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Index is in trouble for accounting fraud so Atlas may go for sale. If they do, expect Nintendo to buy them to secure their investment on SMTxFE.
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>>194976975
But plenty of people that had a PS2 got a 360 instead of a PS3 and then KH went and skipped a generation. It's all good.
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>>194972895 (OP)

Persona is casual shit that has blighted the SMT name for too long. Fuck off.
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>>194977185
Well then I guess we agree to disagree. Out of curiosity, what did you think of EO IV?
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>>194972895 (OP)
>Persona
>Difficult

SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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>>194977040
There's no reason you can't modernize the gameplay and not fuck with the feel of the series.
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>japanese developers
>having anything to do with microshit
>microshit
>having anything to do with developers that don't exclusively cater to the dudebro audience
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>>194977409
>original Japanese playstation release or bust.
Do you even know what the PSP version is?
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>>194977662

Index itself is Atlus, they fully absorbed them back in 2010. It's not a division or subsidiary, they're just Index, Atlus is just a brand
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>Persona 5 will have even shittier dungeons than P3 and P4
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>>194978032
Haven't played it, friend. I don't have a 3DS yet, I really need to get one before next month for SMT IV.
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>>194977635
>muh 'deep' psychology
Seriously, go fucking cry about it.
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>>194974748

Day 1 buy son.
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>>194977474
Because the only "Persona" game to come out for current gen was P4A and it was on the xbox. Based on the recent trend of Japanese compainies releasing games for xbox and making them shittier it's not a stretch to think this will happen to the next persona.
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>>194977529
>Not learning Japanese
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>>194978196
So they'll just be FF13 hallways?
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>>194977306
It's a pretty old JRPG about demons. Using various myths from around the globe (1 features demons from Asia and Europe)
You're basically a young man who can shapeshift into various demons born from him. Trying to avoid being consumed by the fuckers inside his head, he eventually saves a young girl from an insane british guy who masters dark magic. Then shit his down the fan.

I'd suggest you do SH1. While SH2 and SH3 are more light-hearted (SH2 had some balance while SH3 goes full wacky), SH1 can be extremely dark at times and has a pretty damn decent plot and overall good cast of characters.

>>194977798
SH1 is kind of necessary to play if he wants to play Covenant, though.
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>>194977968

This
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>>194978196
>Persona will have ff13 level design
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>>194978314
Hey, I'm already trying by playing Devil Summoner on the Saturn.
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>>194976180
YESSSS
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>>194977810
>Who the fuck actually cares about that game being multiplatform?
Look at what happened to XIII, and DMC, and the Resident Evil series.

That's why.
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>>194978146
Version with gimped music.
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SRW-styled game featuring every single Megaten-related series when ?
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>>194977968
>Plenty of retards bought a 360 so it's ok to put a game that has never been on the shit console on the shit console.
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>>194978297
>>194978474
Because P4A was totally a terrible game and any game that gets ported to the Xbox instantly gets casualized. Yep.
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>>194978251
What a coincidence that P4 has the worst "psychology" in the series, not counting P3 since that lacks it in general, but the overall themes in P4 are totally lacking in content and organization due to the game's sloppy design method.
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>>194978025
>Implying both can't exist.
Idiot.
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>>194978435
Good luck.
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>>194978082
And by some miracle 3 and 4 turned out great. The odds of lightenigh striking twice aren't that high.

>>194978141
>japanese developers
>having anything to do with microshit
What is SE?
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>>194978779
it's pretty fun
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>>194976180
>Entire game has a JSR-like artstyle
>Every Persona has a weird futuristic design
>Game is about kids making a "Pact" with a "Devil" to make their wishes come true, a band of heroes try to stop things going out of control and bring peace to the city.
>Shadow Ops / P3 Cast / P4 Cast mostly appearing for a few scenes, not taking focus from the main cast
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>>194978219
I've only played the demo so far, and I played it for 10 hours. I plan on picking up the game because demo data carries over and I did a ton of shit on the demo and enjoyed it.
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>>194978605
Never.
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>>194978898
Yes ?
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>>194978297
>>194978679
>P4A
>game
Persona 4 the Animation is not a game, please learn correct abbreviations.
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>>194978314
でも、俺は日本語を習うんです
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>Persona 5 comes out
>It's completely different from P3 and P4, just like the change from P2 to P3 was
>Completely different than what fans wanted
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>>194979169
pls
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>>194978710
Oh hey. You just figure that out?
Or...
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>>194979169
Okay, Pee 4 U.
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>>194979182
>It has labyrinth dungeons
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>>194978514
The original point was that I started playing persona with persona 3. I've played both revelations and the PSP version that has the original difficulty. What does your opinion on the OST have to do with anything?
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>>194979363
Is the guy on the left Doi?
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>>194979478
I think that's shiggy diggy soejima, but it should be Doi now.
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>Xbone

no chance in hell.

It's gonna be the Wii U
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>>194979169
0/10
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>>194972895 (OP)
But SMT already has dark elves in the older titles.
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>"We didn't want to alienate the new fans so we toned down the difficulty"
Like P4G wasn't easy enough? Come the fuck on, we're producing babies here.
>swapped the soundtrack for dubstep
I don't even hate the shit, but I'd probably mute that.
>removed social links and world maps
>not wanting to alienate new fans
>removing social links
That makes sense. What is Persona without waifus? I'll tell you what: A mediocre JRPG.
>Adding orcs, elves, and other high fantasy persona
Do not want. Just give me Thor and P4 Loki, and I'm golden.
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>>194979176
Good.
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>>194979068
obviously
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>>194979681
>What is Persona without waifus? I'll tell you what: A mediocre JRPG.
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>>194979681
>What is Persona without waifus? I'll tell you what: A mediocre JRPG

It's pretty mediocre WITH the waifus anon
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>>194979182
>All the waifu bait characers get killed by Nyarly partway through the game.
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>>194979824
Implying Katsuya isn't waifu of the year.
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>>194979764
In fact, I should stop procrastinating now and get back to my studying otherwise I'll never be able to play all those glorious unlocalized games like ToV for PS3.
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>>194972895 (OP)
>"We didn't want the game to feel too Japanese so we removed all social linking and world maps"
I was falling for it until this.
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>>194972895 (OP)
It really depends on who buys out Atlus at this point.

If it's Nintendo or Sony it's becoming exclusive. Microsoft isn't going to care, they're not even releasing in Japan.
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>>194979961
>falling for it
What?
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>>194979883
I wasn't arguing against that. The waifus do improve the experience, though, even if only slightly.
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>>194980045
>Implying M$ won't can the whole thing or make it exclusive for xbone even though it won't sell copies out of spite since they're shit.

You give them too much credit.
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>>194980129
>The waifus do improve the experience, though, even if only slightly.
"experience," not the gameplay.
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>>194980045
microsoft would buy anything as long as it would at least sell 20 copies in nipponland and piss off the cometition, they have the cash for it anyway.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=404u9gsoS84&NR=1

>implying P5 won't be Wii U Exclusive
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>>194980653
at this point as long as it isn't m$ i'll be happy
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>>194980540
Yeah they're real scumbags.

>>194980653
>>194980873
I just want to see what Atlus would do with all that extra PS4 muscle behind their game.
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>>194980540
Xbone won't even work in Japan or China at ALL on release. It's not listed as one of the supporting countries.

They've given up on Japan.
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>>194979824
Maya is my waifu, though.
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>>194981746
good taste
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>>194981380
to be honest it's delayed in asia till 2014, so it will arrive in a coffin
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Sounds like they're trying to un-gay Persona, not trying hard enough but sure is a step in the right direction.
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>>194981896
I don't know why they're releasing it at all. It won't sell, all they'll do is make games shittier while not making any money.
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As usual, the Persona franchise will do some cameo appearances from earlier games. What if Persona 5 took place years after P4 and Chie is seen as a policewoman. Because that was her ultimate dream.
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>>194982073
>Sounds like they're trying to un-gay Persona
I don't know why moot made /vr/, he should have just made a board for Eastern games so all the people who've been here more than a year can go there, and a board for Western games so all the faggots flooding in from Ledit can contain their shitposting and shit taste there.
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>>194982468
>P4
>not homo GALGE for fujoshit
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>>194982654
>P4
>homo GALGE for fujoshit

What's it like to be retarded?
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>>194982654
>I don't like it
>So only shit heads like it!
Brilliant
That being said it can be pretty gay
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>>194982468
You've got to admit that Persona is pretty gay.
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>>194982838
Are you saying that P4 doesn't have homo shit in it?
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>>194982838
P4 is pretty gay man.

You can't really deny it
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>>194983014
>chrome human 3D
looks neato
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>>194982886
I want everything except team Philemon losing, a new VR assistant and Bioware-esq anything.
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>>194982838
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>>194982886
>Kanji's social link was Bioware-tier
I should fucking kill you where you stand
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>>194983014
>>194983070
>>194983169
Are you sayin' I like dudes?
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>>194983560
yeah
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>>194983473
>Any time male friends do anything other than fistbump, shoot things and fuck bitches they're faggots.
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>>194983698
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>>194983698
It's an epic SMT meme, don't start questioning things now.
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PERSONA HAS ALWAYS BEEN EASY AS FUCK.

It's about waifus and "lol that kill was sik bro xDDD". I don't even like the SMT games, but persona fans are the most diluted fucks I've ever had the displeasure of knowing. Fuck off, your games aren't good.
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You all seem to forget that Index is in serious trouble right now.
At this rate, we might not even get SMTxFE.
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>>194984014
Index is always in serious trouble. Always.

They've been bleeding money for ages now.
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>>194983957
Why are there naked giants fighting in your picture?
Are you...Like gay?
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>>194983957
>PERSONA HAS ALWAYS BEEN EASY AS FUCK.

>>194977185
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>>194983957
you're angry (your picture proves it) and you dislike something I like.
I will follow your order and "fuck off" as you have requested.
I'm glad to see you share your opinions with us
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>>194983957

What anime is that
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>>194984461
Boku no Persona
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>>194983957
>It's about waifus and "lol that kill was sik bro xDDD"
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>>194984507
>>194984507

Persona is shit, that anime looks good
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>>194984671
>Shitgeki no Kyogay
>Good
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>>194984562
>I sold myself for munney and "lol that kill was sik bro xDDD"
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>Tfw every single one of these threads starts out with "IMAGINE WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF IT WAS A NINTENDO-EXCLUSIVE"
/v/ tries to turn fucking everything into a console war
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>>194984671
Boku no megaten
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>>194984765
wow u seem mad bro maybe you should use ur personer and get diaharan because u just got buttagidyne'd
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>>194984765
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>>194984764

Thanks
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>>194984894
I was only teasing, but now I have no choice but to violate you in 10 different ways.
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>>194984461
Shingeki no Kyojin
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>>194979182
I like you.
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>>194985142
Just remember that everything is Titans.

Persona are titans
Demons are titans
Nyarly is a titan
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>>194983957
>Criticizing Persona
>Posting an SnK .gif

God I forgot how shitty these newfags on /v/ have become.
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>>194979182
>People find this post clever.
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>>194985142
EREN IS A TITAN.
HUMANS ARE INSIDE OF THE WEAK POINTS, CONTROLLING THE TITANS.
EREN'S MOTHER DIES.
MIKASA'S PARENTS WERE KILLED BY BANDITS
THE WALLS ARE TITANS.
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>>194984461
It's the latest seasonal casualfag crap. Have shit taste in anime? Then you'll love it.
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>>194986075
Thank you for sparing me from shitty anime.
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>>194985974
It's the only gif I had that I found appropriate.
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>>194983957
> but persona fans are the most diluted fucks I've ever had the displeasure of knowing.
>the most diluted fucks
>diluted

What?
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>>194977040
Persona 1 and 2 would be even miles better with the gameplay of P4, I'll admit, P4 had the best gameply of the series
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>>194986253
>Having a SnK .gif
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>>194972895 (OP)
But persona was already dumbed down, it was called 3/4
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>>194986391
Ok, so we agree?
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>"We didn't want the game to feel too Japanese so we removed all social linking

Good.
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>>194986539
>Improved in every aspect
>Dumbed down

Removing tesious dungeons and boring slow paced gameplay isn't dumbing it down.
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>>194972895 (OP)
>Atlus
>ever giving a shit about the casual

They already have casual shovelware for them.
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>>194986391
P4 was just watered down P3, which was just watered down Nocturne.
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>>194986632
>dungeons
>tedious
I think you need to leave
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>>194986632
>simplification is not dumbing down
Ok bro, you got me. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it is tedious and boring.
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>>194986726
And P4 Golden was an even more casual version of P4.
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>>194986632
>preferring randomly generated dungeons to >>194977185
Tartarus is just awful. Awful.
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>>194986616
Er, why not just play SMT then?
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>>194986253
why are all your gifs violent anon. Do you have issues?
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>>194986970
I already have, duh.
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>>194986974
Why do all your gifs have little children in them. Do you have issues?
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>>194986823
>I want tedious dungeons.
I think you need to realize you're in the minority here friend.
>>194986974
He also used all caps.... Hmm
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>>194986823
>>194986925
>P1 and P2 dungeons
>Not tedious and boring

They're extremely boring to explore and repetitive. If you want a good dungeon crawler go play Dark Cloud 2, P1 and 2 were shit.
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>>194987193
What defines a good dungeon then, rusemaster?
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>>194987392
Any thing he likes.
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its a JRPG. it was never hard to begin with
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>>194987367
The P1 dungeons are awesome though. They have great music, lots of variety, and aren't super difficult like a SMT dungeon, but still are varied and challenging enough, unlike P3/4.
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>>194987392
Varied design, things to explore that aren't just dozens of dead ends with random encounters with the occasional treasure chest.
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>>194987367
All Persona dungeons suck.

They're just hallways. No puzzles, and the only difference is the decor.
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>>194987508
Requesting the /v/'s worst nightmare pic about the wiiu flagging you for talking about games you haven't played.
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>>194987161
nope. I don't even like girls they're icky.
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>>194987612
You mean like Persona 3 and 4?
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>>194987508
Shut up tripfag. I'd bet my life you couldn't beat this guy. You probably don't even know who it is.
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>>194987623
>>194987736
But at least 3 and 4 don't have random encounters.
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>>194987724
I didn't even mention girls.
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>>194987845
>Thinking random encounters matter
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>>194987392
Less off
>>194977185

>>194987498
>he doesn't agree with me he must be spoiled
That's a poor way of viewing things, but whatever

>>194987945
Lol what
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>>194988109
I asked WHAT makes a good dungeon, not "I DONT LIKE THIS DUNGON"
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>>194988109
>>he doesn't agree with me he must be spoiled
>That's a poor way of viewing things, but whatever
That is no where even near what I implied holy shit. If any one is implying that it's you.
10/10 you got me.
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>"We didn't want to alienate the new fans so we toned down the difficulty"
Because it wasn't piss easy before, right?

>"We wanted more modern appeal so we swapped the soundtrack for dubstep"
Better than that hip hop garbage they put in 3.

>"We didn't want the game to feel too Japanese so we removed all social linking and world maps"
Persona was better without Social Link bullshit. The game would also be better if everything was connected al la Dark Souls.

>"We've also decided to add some orcs, elves and other high fantasy personas to summon"
We already have stupid fairies and elves. Orcs are no different than Japanese demons like Oni. Who cares?
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>>194987945
When it's a tedious dungeon with repeating designs and nothing to explore outside of monsters and treasure, then yes random encounters are fucking annoying.
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>>194988351
Oh it seems I fucked up then.
>>194988283
Okay fuck don't yell.
Something themed, you have to actually have a reason to be there- endgoals. Fucking bosses are good, more of them, random encounters are shit less of them. No randum generation, but don't making a fucking deadend maze-a-thon. Puzzles are fine, environmental hazards just don't work for me though.
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>>194988283
I'll reference you right back to 2 of my other posts.
>>194987746
>>194987367
Both of those games had great dungeons.
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>>194986547
as in how the battles are structured. Keep Fusion spells and all the different types of physical and magic spells that were thrown away in P4 and we are good
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>>194988414
>Better than that hip hop garbage they put in 3.
Tripfag having shit taste, nothing to see here.
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>>194989019
Ok sure. I agree that as P3 and P4 had fantastic turn based systems.
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>>194988854
So basically, you hate everything about Persona 1-4 dungeons?
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>>194989091
Nigger are you seriously replying to that.
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>>194989281
3 and 4 felt less "closed in" if that makes any sense. And as a I said, not having random encounters makes them a lot more tolerable.
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>>194989961
But they're not, P1 is even less hallway like than P4, they just made the hallways bigger instead.
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>>194990530
>P1 is even less hallway like than P4,
P1 is literally first person hallway crawling.
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We can all agree that Tartarus and P4 dungeons are awful, right?
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>>194991064
I think you are getting mazes confused with hallways.
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>>194991064
They're both hallways then.
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>>194991195
Tartarus wasn't anything special, P4 did just fine.
I guess we can't.
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>>194991283
You can go forward, backward or make turns. It's a maze of hallways since you can't actually move around aside from going in 4 cardinal directions.
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>>194991842
are you trying to say that only turning 4 directions makes the dungeons worse?
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>>194991994
Are you saying restricting movement to making it literally crawling around in hallways is a good thing?
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>>194992627
What's the difference between 4 direction hallways and 8 direction hallways? There's no difference, except in controls.
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>>194972895 (OP)
>>It's also coming to xbone
That's not going to happen. Nobody in Japan is gonna buy a Bone, so stop deluding yourself.
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>>194972895 (OP)
I just vomited . Thanks OP :(
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>>194991495
>P4 did just fine.

I guess we can't all have shit standards for quality design like you.
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>>194993410
I can understand an opinion, but not everyone is over the age of 14.
So it is of no fault of your own if you lash out at me.
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>>194992759
Because when you're literally locked into 4 directions of movement it's a maze that's boring. There is no variety, no puzzles, no nice environments to look at.

Go watch P1 dungeon crawling then go look at this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=2BlBdX9Ofmw#t=270s
Make sure you follow the link so you get the proper time, and mute the annoying as fuck voice.

That's what a good dungeon looks like.
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>ITT:People calling eachother gay
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>>194993703
You worded that so poorly you made it sound like only people under 14 would find Persona 4's dungeons well-designed.
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>>194993729
Now we're not talking about SMT though, we're talking about 3D dungeon design after the advent of the PS1.
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>>194993703
shut the fuck up you useless rabbit
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>>194993729
I'm okay with this.
>>194994001
I'm half awake and you're just shit posting so.
Fuck off?
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>>194994074
>we're talking about 3D dungeon design after the advent of the PS1
I was talking about Persona 1. Persona 1 was a PS1 game. I just showed that PS1 games can have fantastic dungeons and that limiting dungeons to repetitive hallways mazes that are on rails is boring as shit.
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>>194994267
I'd love to see you try to defend Persona 4's dungeons as anything but the bare minimum of what qualifies as a dungeon.
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>>194994229
Please do not bully the useless bunny.
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>>194994381
So why doesn't P4 have amazing dungeons?
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>>194994470
I seriously hope you aren't implying P1's dungeons were any better.
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>>194994723
Well then you hope right because I'm not. It doesn't excuse P4 though. Or P3 for that matter.
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>>194994649
No idea. But if my choices are between on rails hallway mazes and Randomly generated simple floor plans that at least look nice and allow me to avoid battles when I want to, then I'll go with the latter.

>>194994837
See above.
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>>194995018
>avoid battles
enjoy getting to the boss and being underleveled
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>>194995018
So shit A is a bit better than shit B. Super.
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>>194995126
I'm always over leveled in rpgs because I feel the need to explore every little corner. If I can avoid battles, a lot of my back tracking is faster and I don't end up hilariously over leveled.

>>194995161
Someone compared P1 and P4 dungeons. I said P4 was better. I never said it was good, in fact I specifically said Dark Cloud 2 and Wild ARMS 2 are good examples of dungeon design.
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>>194994470
Sure.
+
Entire dungeon themed around the boss.
Multiple bosses. Dungeon changes are you get higher up. Time limit is a nice element. No randumb encounters. Chests.
Lacks damage areas as far as I can remember
Heaven
-
Most of the music sucks
lol randumbly generated every time
Dead ends, running up and down shit gets boring
Lack of puzzles, puzzles that exist are not hard at all

Overall it was just fine, but dungeon crawling isn't what the game was about in the first place for 4.
Feeling a bit better?
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>>194986726
>P3
I love grinding in that game. But that was probably because there were more mechanics you could abuse.
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>>194995636
>Lacks damage areas as far as I can remember
This is a good thing..?
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>>194995814
I've never seen it done well. In fact all that happens is you go into your menu screen and heal up the awkward damage you received.
So it basically eats up time.
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>>194995792
>But that was probably because there were more mechanics you could abuse.
I think you mean "figure out and tactically utilize".
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>>194996205
>not running through damage floors and hoping for the best
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>>194995636
>Time limit is a nice element.

I've never NOT been able to beat a dungeon in one day in P4.
Except for the first one where you can't even if you wanted to.
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>>194995636
>Lacks damage areas as far as I can remember
Why is this a good thing?
>lol randumbly generated every time
Are you referring to Tartarus? Pretty fucking sure P4 dungeons aren't randomly generated. Either way, that's hardly a bad thing either.
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dubstep is allready confirmed
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>>194996621
Pretty much everything he listed as a plus is something almost every JRPG with dungeons ever has and is expected to have in the first place.
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>>194996621
>Pretty fucking sure P4 dungeons aren't randomly generated.
Yes they are.
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>>194996331
Good for you man. You really fucked em' up.
>>194996621
Hardly ever done well.
Randomly generated dungeons just seems to lack a lot of good shit.
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>>194996902
They just jumble around the hallways, I think.
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>>194997027
>Randomly generated dungeons just seems to lack a lot of good shit.
Dark Cloud 2 mother fuckers.

>>194997132
Which is randomized.
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>>194997027
>Good for you man. You really fucked em' up.

What is that supposed to mean? Why wouldn't I just clear it in one day? It would be inefficient and unnecessary to do otherwise.
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>>194996212
Everytime you finish a battle you're essentially invisible to other shadows for 5 seconds. I used to chain player-advantage as much as possible by just running from shadow to shadow. Sounds like an abuse of mechanics to me.

The card shuffles were also a lot more fun to figure out.
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>>194997265
It's as random as opening up a lego kit with instructions.
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>>194997287
It means I suck at video games.
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>>194997496
That might be the worst analogy I've heard all month.
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>>194997027
>Randomly generated dungeons just seems to lack a lot of good shit.
Which they make up for by having the element of surprise, replayability, and most importantly set a labyrinthian atmosphere (I think it's obvious why in P3, that's a plus).
Fuck, I don't even hate P4. I don't like its dungeons as much as Tartarus, but I appreciate that both have their ups and downs.
I do hate P1 and P2's dungeons but that's a story for another day
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>>194997698
The P3/4 dungeons aren't really "random," they're just pieces put together in different order. Hall, hall, branching hall, chest, dead end, stairs.
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>>194997930
That's the definition of random.
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>>194997930
How else do you do random dungeons?
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>>194998086
By not doing them and actually designing them.
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>>194997824
Well then I think we just had a civil conversation on fucking /v/
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>>194997824
>surprise, replayability, and most importantly set a labyrinthian atmosphere
>P3
I disagree.
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>>194998178
What?
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>>194972895 (OP)

So it's just Revelations: Persona?
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>>194998642
BY ACTUALLY DESIGNING DUNGEONS
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>>194995636
Oh and one more - thing to add for 4, they took out a free roaming Reaper.
Seriously- but the reaper in a chest? Fuck that shit.
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>>194998221
I like being civil in MegaTen threads. Unless someone splits the retard atom and propels himself 500 retards per hour into the air (i.e "Persona 1 is objectively the best game in the franchise).

>>194998427
Cool. Is your image trying to imply P2 does it better? The only truly labyrinthian dungeons in P2 are Xibalba (and by extension Ameno Torifune) and Monado Mandala, and even then, the latter's the only one I'd consider "good".
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>>194998795
How does designing them make them randomly generated?
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>>194998178
That's not the argument though.

Other than maybe Minecraft, I don't think I've seen any game do random dungeons differently than what you described. To say P3 dungeons aren't really random is to call almost all games that advertise random dungeons as not really being random.
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>>194998904
>Cool. Is your image trying to imply P2 does it better?
No, but I hardly felt surprised by Tartarus, and didn't feel much of a labyrinth atmosphere. It just felt tedious.
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>>194998973
Good bait, but you get my message already.
Random dungeons shouldn't be in SMT games.
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>>194998904
Why no love for 1 or 2?
Explain it in a way that someone who never ain't played 1 or 2 would understand
Also,
> Unless someone splits the retard atom and propels himself 500 retards per hour into the air
Christ
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>>194999257
Because 1 and 2 are quaint and simple RPGs, and they're rather polar. P1 has good dungeons, but a conversation system with demons and a rather obtuse battle system, and a rather simple story, it was released in '96. P2 has a much better story and characters, but has a very simple battle system compared to P1, and the dungeons are rather simple as well.
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>>194999253
>Good bait
Are you a fucking idiot? People described what randomly generated dungeons were. You responded by saying "That's not randomly generated". You were asked "What qualifies randomly generated, then?" and you responded with "By actually designing the dungeons."
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>>194999761
Are you a fucking idiot? I'm saying, "Don't fucking have randomly generated dungeons."
>How else do you do random dungeons?
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>>194999140
Well that's fine, I thought it pulled it off decently.

>>194999257
I'll try to summarize it by saying the battle system is shit, the encounters are random and frequent (and needlessly long, as opposed to mainline games which have encounters up the ass but are lightning fast), the characters in P1 barely qualify as "characters" (they're fine in P2 but I felt that most of the cast was more two-dimensional than they could've been), and P2 has the worst OST in the series (still far from "bad", just... underwhelming).

On the plus side, crazy dancing.
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>>195000035
>and P2 has the worst OST in the series
ok wait I was ready to maturely respond to your post but
are you for real
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>>194999986
See >>194997930
>The P3/4 dungeons aren't really "random,"
You didn't say they shouldn't have them, you said that they aren't even random in the first place.
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>>195000263
>"I WAS EVIL THE WHOLLLEEE TIMMEEE!"
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>>194997930

>Not an indecipherable mishmash of polygons and pixels

>See! It's not randumb!
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>>195000472
I don't know what you mean
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>>194999986
Someone asked "What do you define as a random dungeon" because you claimed that randomly putting together hallways and chests isn't random. You're answer was "Don't make random dungeons."

Your criteria were wrong, and when called out on it your answer was "Well it's all stupid anyways." Are you a child? Can you not handle being called out for not knowing what you're talking about?
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>>195000531
Huh?
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>>195000531
>>195000263
Can someone summarize what happens after the point about when you get out of that underground cave with no way out? I stopped playing the game shortly after that because it was painfully boring.
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>Finally get around to playing P2 after playing 3 and 4
>Not even three hours in and I already like it way more than I did 3 and 4 combined

Is this weird?
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>>195000827
You just run around in circles to get out
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>>195000989
It just means you have good taste
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>>195000989
Yes how dare you have an opinion you're getting extra lashings tonight.
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>>195000989
On /v/ it is
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>>195000263
Fine, P1's PSP remake's OST is worse. The original is fucking awesome though so it's excused.

There just weren't many memorable songs in P2 though. EP's battle theme in particular, the tune that you'll obviously hear the most, is... bad. Boss theme isn't incredible either. Final boss theme (the fact that it's the same one in both games is also disappointing) is fine, but compared to literally every other final boss tune in Persona, it kinda falls short. Then you have Knights of the Holy Lance and Philemon's battle theme, as well as IS's standard + boss themes, which are great, but that's about it.
Yeah, I realize I only glossed over the battle themes. I can continue but I can rant about my opinions for only so long.

>>195000827
You find a way out. Shit happens, Joker's your gay childhood friend, you fight against Nyarlathotep, lose by plot, reset button, sequel happens, NWO happens, fight against Nyarlathotep again, win, YOU CAN GOOO WHERE YOU WANT TO GOOOOO. Fin.
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>>195001052
I know, my point was that was the last thing I remember happening in the story and stopped playing shortly after. Last thing I was doing was messing around the super dengeon or maybe going through a casino.
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>>195001286
Addendum: Nazis.
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>>195001286
>Joker's your gay childhood friend
Yeah that was pretty obvious from the flashbacks.

I heard people talking about the P2 villain turning peoples' personas into shadows in P5, what's going on with that? And does P2 have anything to do with the alternate reality from P1?
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>>195001286
I think all the OSTs from the 95-SMT games are excellent though, you have Masuko, Tsuchiya, and Aoki doing a ton of electric, rock, and even some jazzy funk type music that really makes the dungeons enjoyable to be in.
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>>195001689
>I heard people talking about the P2 villain turning peoples' personas into shadows in P5, what's going on with that?
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Back then, when they put hip hop in Persona 3, it was exactly because it was the popular genre.
The only thing stopping dubstep from appearing is because it isn't popular in Japan.
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>>195001689
>I heard people talking about the P2 villain turning peoples' personas into shadows in P5
He's implied to be the villain in P4A or something, which kinda opens a plot string to P5. I haven't played P4A though, this is just what I heard.
>And does P2 have anything to do with the alternate reality from P1?
Pretty much both routes of P1 are canon, which is... confusing, but it doesn't really matter in P2 since they don't really ever talk about the specific events of P1 at all.

>>195001763
Yeah, they're all generally good, some are just not as good as others is what I'm saying.
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>>195001841
I took a trip to the wiki.
>Everything based on a bet with Philemon
Jesus Fucking Christ this guy is hardcore.
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>>195002419
Keep in mind, neither side had any stakes in the bet. They were literally so fucking bored that they decided to test humanity because lolwhynot.
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>>195002657
I like it. I'll ready up on P2 then play P4A. I love fucking around in P4A but I hear the story is tedious as fuck.
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>>195002419
He's winning so far, right?
Cause Phil got fucked up and that's why he's just a butterfly in P3/P4 from what I know.
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>>195003138
They sealed away Phil so both of them would stay out of the world, but knowing Hotep, he always comes back.

I mean, who do you think created Nyx and Izanami?
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>>195003138
Is he really just a butterfly or is he just not revealing himself?
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>>195003351
>created Nyx and Izanami
This guy created Nyx? How the fuck will he be defeated? Will all the MCs do a fusion and summon Philemon for their final persona?
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So this is the real villain of purse owner, right?
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>>195003138
Nah, Nyarl lost to P2's party and was condemned to "the depth of the subconscious" or some shit like that (meaning he isn't dead, but he's basically incapacitated). Philemon takes the butterfly form in P1 and P2 as well, it's safe to in P3/4 the butterfly appears to show that Philemon still exists but doesn't interact directly with the party because he has no reason to (his "motives" in P1/2 were helping people so that he'll win the bet, I guess it doesn't really concern him now that he won and Nyarl's fucked).

>>195003437
He just uses that form whenever he goes to the human world. His human form appears in his domain.
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>>195003516
>This guy created Nyx?
It's not 100% confirmed, but it could make sense.
>Hear a rumor about a team assassins
>Team of assassins show up, leader has golden eyes
>Hear rumor about all of mankind dying
>Harbinger of death appears
I don't know a lot of the backstory stuff in the shadow experiments, but one could assume he caused those too. I mean, I hear if you fuck with magic blobs, cool stuff happens.

>Hear rumor about TV world
>TV world appears
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>>195003587
yeah, I'd fuck her too
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>>195003892
>Hear a rumor about a team assassins
>Team of assassins show up, leader has golden eyes
>Hear rumor about all of mankind dying
>Harbinger of death appears

Wait where are the first 2 from?
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>>195004085
The rumour of mankind thing is from P3, dunno about assassins though.
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>>195003516
He didn't really create Nyx. People created Nyx, much like people created Nyarlathotep and Izanami (and Pandora, P1's villain, on a lesser scale). He IS the strongest though since he was created with every negative emotion ever, and he's also the only one who can't even be reasoned with (Nyx is neutral, Izanami only wants humanity to succeed, but much like in the Lovecraft books, Nyarl is just malicious).
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>>195003351
Wasn't Izanami born from Kunitokotachi and Amenominakanushi? Or are they not completely following the actual myth?
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>>195004232
Remember at the beginning, they talk about STREGA? They're like, 'I heard about these online assassins, they'll kill anybody for the right price!' and then Revolver Jesus shows up and bam, bright golden eyes.
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>>195004290
>much like people created Nyarlathotep
He doesn't transcend time and space?
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>>194972895 (OP)
None of those things will happen. Even the first one.
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>>195004484
Oh Strega, ok.
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>>195004402
It doesn't follow it very exactly. The Izanami of P4 is a ruler of the world of mist inside the TV, which is the human unconscious. Therefore, it's more likely that she'd be a creation or manifestation of rumors or Nyarlathotep, or in case of the design of the game, a idea they thought of one day to play off the creation myth.
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>>195003989
Have they ever referenced SMT?

I know they referenced MonHun recently.
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>>195004595
It's more like "he exists in a lower domain of the unconscious", since he was created by emotions. He does sort of transcend time and space, though, but it's possible that every Persona villain is like that. Nyarl just shows it the most since unlike the other ones, he's directly involved in the plot and manipulates basically everything that happens.
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>>195004484
Oh yeah, I forgot about them because they did jack shit aside from Chidori becoming a plot tumour and killing Shinji

they could have been so cool too.
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>>195004969
No idea, I haven't watched Nyar-chan's show yet.
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>>195004969
>Have they ever referenced SMT?
In one of the episodes, Nyaruko's cries of pain are "PAZUZU", "NALAGIRI" and "TEZCATLIPOCA".
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>>195005094
You should. It's mostly reference humour, but it's entertaining in its own right.
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>>195005090
Yeah, a little more involement would have been nice.

>>195004980
Really curious to see where P5 will go. What are the odds the series actually ends there? (or at least this saga)
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>>195005481
I want to lick her Ahoge
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>>195004646
Even though Atlus' last few games have been dumbed-down severely? Sure.
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>>195005632
>What are the odds the series actually ends there? (or at least this saga)
Unlikely. P1 and P2 are similar (similar gameplay, recurring characters, connected plot), as are P3 and P4, so P5 will probably have P6 to accompany it. P5's already confirmed to have a new engine even.
Also, let's face it, Persona is a huge cashcow for Atlus, they wouldn't drop it so quickly.
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>>195005993
Eh, I can't really complain. I've been enjoying the series a lot lately. I just wish we'd get some P5 news.
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>>195005276
>because SMT totally invented ancient demons!


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