My jaw dropped when I first heard he said that.

"Mmmmm I love cocks, they taste so good in my mouth" ~ OP

Someone may have hit him when he was a child.

>>93555125
likely right in the jaw

>>93555387

"I was wrong" - Roger Ebert

My friend wrote a pretty badass article/essay about how videogames aren't art. Basically because it's an interactive medium means it's not art. He makes a pretty good case supporting it and to this day I am convinced that videogames aren't art.

"I look like a deformed faggot." ~Roger Ebert

>implying god didn't give that faggot mouth cancer or whatever the fuck he had to make him shut the fuck up so he couldn't spew his shit anymore

inb4
>implying I'm mad
>implying I'm religious

"My face looks like a vagina and ballsack combined"-Roger Ebert

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJcQxAHNVXI#t=23m14s

I wish people would stop treating video games like art. Maybe developers would start making fun games again.

Roger Ebert thought Fight Club was about fascism.

That lost more credibility for me than the videogames thing.

>>93555857
Well I agree that playing a videogame isn't art at all, but the making OF the game, is undoubtedly art...

ebert has nojaw

>My face when faggots who didn't even know who Roger Ebert was before the "video games can't be art" thing

"Roger Ebert can never be Video games" ~ art

>>93555857
Well of course playing the game isn't art.
It's the music, the story and the visuals that are the art.

jesus christ why can't different people be allowed to have different opinions. specially older people who have most likely never played a game that wasn't mario or something.

Besides, maybe it's just me but I tend to find some of the worst games out there to be the overly pretentious "VIDEO GAMES ARE ART" type bullshit, just because they aren't even remotely fun.

Hell, okay, look at okami. it was art, in it's own way. it was a game. it was fun. why the fuck can't more "art" games do that.

>>93555857

I used to think videogames were art. Someone on /v/ actually changed my mind.

Art is reserved for the elite. Broadening the term by saying "anything can be art" only diminishes the accomplishment. There's that video of a chick shoving tomato soup in her vagina, and I don't consider that art. Saying "anything can be art" includes this, too.

Now that's not to say that some games don't offer huge emotional responses.

yeah thats Jawesome

>>93555857
>Basically because it's an interactive medium means it's not art.

That is the dumbest statement I've read on 4chan today.

>>93556798

What kind of "renowned" critic reviews something without even examining the material?

>>93556807
>Art is reserved for the elite

OH WOW

Just, completely and utterly missed what art actually is, eh?

Guess you're a troll, I don't believe you could possibly be so stupid.

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>>93556807
That's a horrible way to look at things. Because you don't find something as are doesn't mean it isn't.
That vagina soup can incident may have been as beautiful as a sonnet or painting to somebody.

They should really stop hiring all those art designers for video games.Apparently their job is inplausible.

>>93556807

lol no.

You're taking as an assumption that art is an accomplishment. You just don't want to let go of the idea so your reason for OTHER PEOPLE to think that video games aren't art is because YOU want to think art is an accomplishment.

"Pfffarrblegaarggle" ~ Roger Ebert

Well, art is something that evokes emotion or inspires...SOME games do that.

Also: vidya

>>93557000

isn't ebert a film critic?

I mean fuck of course he is, but does he even review any other medium on even a semi-regular basis?

video games aren't his element, and he isn't a video game reviewer. I don't get why people think otherwise.

>games aren't art
>has abstract face

>>93554645

He gave videogames one jaw down. ;)

>>93556388

...but it is. fight club becomes a nameless/identityless/militant organization where everyone dresses the same, following the authoritarian rule in a cult of personality (Tyler D)

or u trollin niggah?

You guys know that Ebert retracted all of his comments and his current position is "I am not able to give a valid opinion on this topic as I am not a gamer", right?

>>93557004
>>93557150

Why, because I think that lowering the bar to fit what I want it to is more insulting than just saying that it isn't art?

Art IS an accomplishment. Nobody sits down and says "hey, I think I'll make art today". It takes passion and it has to be powerful.

Do I think some video games are art? Of course. Do I think they have a long way to go before we get a Sistine Chapel of video games? No shit.

not every movie painting or music is art
not every game is art. it can be a mean of expression therefore it can emulate feelings for others

http://blogs.suntimes.com/foreignc/2011/04/video-games-are-art.html

>>93557191
>>93556798

I know this is going to be an incredible revelation to you, but opinions are not some sacred unassailable right and in reality everyone has a right to call your opinion retarded. Especially if their judgment of one's opinion is justified, which it is in this case.

>>93557400

all /v/ does is bitch, they don't care about what somebody says.

but good for him. it takes some balls to admit that you said something stupid about a medium you know nothing about.

>>93557191
Perhaps because he offered an uneducated opinion on the matter like a retarded child?

>>93557362

What I meant was that he said it promoted fascism.

Which it does not.

>>93557400
>>93557400
>>93557400
>>93557400
>>93557400

"I know it is coming, and I do not fear it, because I believe there is nothing on the other side of death to fear. I hope to be spared as much pain as possible on the approach path. I was perfectly content before I was born, and I think of death as the same state. What I am grateful for is the gift of intelligence, and for life, love, wonder, and laughter. You can't say it wasn't interesting. My lifetime's memories are what I have brought home from the trip. I will require them for eternity no more than that little souvenir of the Eiffel Tower I brought home from Paris."
-Roger Ebert on Death
I like this guy. But I also like video games.
Hm.

Nothing is intrinsically art. The Mona Lisa is paint on canvas. Citizen Kane is light projected through celluloid. They are objects, not art. Art is a meaningful relationship between an observer and a creative work.

As such, video games may not be art to you. They might be art to others.

It's human nature to try and categorize and quantify. You naturally want to sort things into "art" and "not art" bins. You want to judge merit, and have that be accepted as gospel. You should do your best to resist this urge. Artists have been trying to get people to think outside that box for the better part of a century now. Trying to claim with authority that something is not and can never be art is crass, offensive arrogance.

All human activities which don't directly involve satisfying basic physiological functions are art. Hipsters just need to let go of their overinflated, pretentious definition of the word.

>>93557191

>and he isn't a video game reviewer

That's the reason why people gave him so much shit. He was very 'opinionated' on something he had no idea about, which is plain insulting.

Opinions aren't some deus ex that allows people to be retarded. Some aren't valid, simple as that.

>>93557955
>>93557400

Well.... fuck.

Now I actually respect him.

>>93557942

We know.

God forbid we talk amongst ourselves.

So guys, if I use a painting as a frisbee, does it stop being art?

>>93555857
Your friend obviously knows nothing about art if he thinks its interactivity detracts from a video game's artistic quality.

In fact, art IS an interactive medium. The entire point of a painting is to draw an emotional reaction from a viewer. This means that BOTH parties are required, and more importantly, the interaction between the two. How does the image affect the viewer? How does the viewer's interpretation affect the image itself or its meaning?

The same concept can easily be applied to video games. The only difference is that the player has far more control over the experience. This time, the interplay between observer and observed is not limited to some metaphysical space or to the mind, but now it's easily changeable on the screen itself.

>>93557563

No, you're still just sitting there with a stupid personal definition that doesn't apply to reality.

What you just said was that you'd be insulted if the standard of art was lowered. Stop, stop thinking everything you are thinking and start thinking this: Some other person just read that text and said "Wow I don't give two shits if some guy gets insulted".

And yet still you are presenting that to us as the basis for why we shouldn't consider just any game art.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBcECCp5EvY

LOL GUYS VIDEO GAMES ARE ART

pretentious ass bullshit.

>>93558177
You know, yet this thread is posted numerous times a day, and the fact that he recanted is STILL hardly mentioned in any of them.

>>93556218
Ebert is an ass.

"Roger Erbert ban never be face" ~

>>93558177

That's wonderfully irrelevant to what I said.

>>93558180
Yes, it becomes a toy

>>93557400

No he didn't.

He said that he shouldn't have made that statement without being willing to educate himself.

He also said that he still believes he is right.

Read his "retraction" more closely.

Hi guise,i present to you the highest priced painting ever sold.Its a Jackson Pollock.its title "No. 5, 1948" sold for 140,000,000(140 million dollars).
Now please consider,Assasins creed 2.A game which painstakingly recreates major parts of renaissance Italy in the late 15th century in a fully 3d setting,sells for a mere $20.

You realize at the end of the day that video games and every other media including movies is nothing more than just entertainment.

These things are not here to make you think or have some deep meaning in your life. That would be what school is for. Of course, it depends on what school you go to and if you attend a public school or a private school.

Inb4 punctuations, grammar, etc. Fuck off, I'm not here to write an essay.

Also inb4 media and entertainment can contain both. Fuck off with that shit too. No matter what it is there will always be a dominate feature that is more than the other.

>>93558217

You're speaking as if I haven't considered games as an art form for 20 years so far.

Before you start telling me how to think, stop assuming my entire position on the matter, stop building strawmen and applying only what you can argue.

I never said you need to share my opinion. I don't give two shits if you do or not. Think what you want, kid. All I'm doing is giving you perspective, and you're taking it personally.

I'm not worried about insulting you, or you insulting me. Games are a huge part of my life, and I think that making games that reach the bar is far more of an accomplishment than lowering everyone's standards to fit my interpretation of what art is.

Video games are a product, not art.

The assets of a video game are undeniably art.

"Video games WILL never be CONSIDERED art" ~ Roger Ebert

This is what his original article was saying, but so many fagots started crying about it, that he changed it in a later article, so people would stop fucking crying.

>>93558657
>That would be what school is for.

Spoken like a kid who clearly isn't out of school yet.

You'll find out about the real world shortly.

To Ebert's credit, he did later admit that he had never played through any games in any notable capacity and had no intention to do so, and also said that that fact would hamper his ability to made such a statement accurately.

I may not agree with him on all things, but I respect his opinion, and the man at least has some class.

>>93558604

You get a fine in the thousands for pirating video games.

I wonder what your fine will be for distributing the most expensive painting in the world.

Reported, I hope the FBI leaves you enough money to buy lube.

>>93556807
here I'm about to prove you entirely wrong.

see this picture? it sold for 1.2 million dollars at auction. It's considered art. You what it is? It's fucking blood and semen, some guy jacked off onto glass and and then put a few drops of blood in it then then smashed it together with another piece of glass and this is considered art.

So yes shoving a tomato in your vagina is art if this shit is.

art is truly anything

>>93555125
I am greeted by the smooth and hostile face of our old enemy, the Hootmans! No... the Huge-glands, no, I remember, the Hunams!

Tap A to regret killing your brother over that loaf of bread
Tap A to paint a picture of a cat that symbolizes your child hood
Tap A to jump in front of a bullet of your enemy to prove to him you're his friend

sorry kids.

>>93559260

>here I'm about to prove you entirely wrong.

Stopped reading.

These are opinions, and you are clearly not willing to broaden your own.

Whether you believe video games are art or not, being unwilling to see both sides of the debate means that your opinion is completely worthless.

>>93559260
That's not art either

>>93559409

>Tap A to jump in front of a bullet of your enemy to prove to him you're his friend

Got some news for you

>>93559260

That's beautiful.

>>93559242
I make statements out of my ass flapping the jaw I do not have, but do not take me seriously, I have never played games to know what I am talking about, so forgive me as a classy guy.

Marvelous

>>93558963
Sorry, I couldn't hear you over you bagging my groceries.

>I care what other people thing
>/v/

>>93559386

Go home Fwiffo.

Oh wait you can't because everyone on Spathiwa hates you.

"i be strokin" -roger ebert

>>93559386
Star Control 2 is such an awesome game.
...But I can't replay it anymore...I just can't.
I know all the star charts of the rainbow worlds, I know where to go for all the quest items...

I wish I could forget it all and play it again...

>>93559260
Get a Load of this guy.

>>93559260

>It's considered art

Not by me. And hey, guess what? That's the only opinion I care about on whether something is art or not!

Compared to that, video games are art. Compared to Michelangelo? Not really, bro.

>>93559260
>yfw it's called Load

>>93558863
Art Deco proves you wrong. Art for the sake of decoration is nothing but product and hold no meaning, but it's still considered art. Graphic arts also proves your wrong. The Sistine chapel was also a product as well it was commissioned for decoration.

>>93559260
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Load_%28album%29#Album_cover
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andres_Serrano

Fucking gross.

>implying i care what a white scrotum-faced faggot thinks

Fuck art.

I'd rather call video games an experience.

>>93559507
It takes real balls to admit that you're wrong, you can't deny that.

But then again, this is /v/, where no one has ever done that.

>>93559611

I know there's a Star Control 2 sequel project going on that actually doesn't look like complete shit. There's a demo floating around.

>>93554645
is lipsy mcdicksucker still alive?

>>93559667

That's great, except a definition is (by defintion, lol) objective and doesn't give two shits about you. The actual function of art in society is objective.

You're retarded.

>>93559426
>implying my opinions made blood and semen on glass sell for 1.2 million dollars
>implying it's my opinion it's art.
>implying your opinions mean a damn thing and can even be used to form any argument.
>implying you have any idea what art is.

wanna try again?

>>93560084

At this point we're just arguing semantics, so thank you for taking the initiative into what was destined to become a name-calling contest.

>>93559935
WE MUST HAVE IT
WE MUST HAVE ... MOOOOORE

>>93559242
I think it's more along the lines that as you say has "class". It is obvious that Ebert is an educated man and has taught classes before, but he could some how fall victim to the most simplest barbarism as to base his option on something he knows nothing about.

Video games and movies can be art. The thing is they suck when they are art. I want entertainment. I'll go to a fucking museum when I want art.

Games that try to be art turn out like shit like the graveyard and everyday same day.

>>93560221

No we aren't, you are assuming a flawed position on many fronts that is in clear denial of reality and a couple of different people have pointed that out pretty clearly.

>>93556388
I can't remember. Was it him or Siskel that hated Silence of the Lambs (a celebrated and academy award winning movie) because it "glorifies violence against women"?

>>93559935
I hope so.
The Ur-Quan Masters was a wonderful redux of the 3DO version for PC, more less able to be ran on newer machines to boot.
If they did something like that, an extension of the storyline of sorts, that would be awesome.
Orz aren't going to be friendly forever you know...Mycon could become another big threat as well,and the Arilou are like the eldar, just because they are friends today, doesn't mean they might not feel humans are no longer needed afterwords.

>stickied
fuck

Ahahahahah.

Why is this stickied...

POSTING IN A STICKY

>sticky

Wow. Why the fuck is this stickied?

>sticky

holy shit it got stickied. what the flying fuck?

>mfw this shit is stickied.

Posting in a sticky

STICKAN MUTHAFUKA

WHY

He's just buttmad because he sucks at vidyamagames

MOOOOOOODS

>Video games can never be art
>stickied
WHAT ARE YOU IMPLYING

>>93554645
Hold up, why is this stickied?

Is it the only vidya thread up at the moment?

Postin in a pointless sticky

>sticky

WHY

It's stickied because the mods are massive newfags and think we give a shit about this very very VERY old troll.

MODS

So uh why is this a sticky?

We have this thread every single day, why sticky it now?

why is this old troll stickied?

POSTIN IN DAT STICKY IKKY

>stickied

why? Its just old as fuck copypasta

"Oh come on now.."

Yup, saging a sticky.

Posting this image in a sticky in hopes that it will become a meme or at least a commonly used reaction image!

IN A STICKY BUN!

>Stickied

who cares?

just play the games and be happy

>>93556280
"I wish people would stop treating video games like art. Maybe developers would start making fun games again."

YES A MILLION TIMES YES

inb4 banning ITT

From his Space Jam review:

>But six-minute cartoons are a neglected art form...

A bit hippocritical if I do say so myself. Also...

>and the sexy newcomer Lola Bunny...

Wat

http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/19961115/REVIEWS/611150305/1023

OMG WE'VE BEEN TROLLED BY DA MODS

EPIC WINZ! COOL STORY BRO

MINDLESSLY REPEATED MEME

And now back to your regulary scheduled non-vidya topics.

oh here we go....

It was going to die, then this happened.

In all honesty. considering a lot of the shit people consider art, my glad Video games aren't considered art. I mean Rotten spaghettio's in a vagina and a guy jacking off to people dancing to "Take on Me" is considered "amazing" art. So yea, im VERY glad video games are not art. Though something as shitty as Dragon Age 2 MAY be considered art.

>sticky

Mods = fags.

These new mods are awful

Video Games aren't art because the player is the one who expresses themselves, not the creators.

NO FUCKING WAY.

that cant be him....

sticky thread post

wtf is going on?

"It's simple - kill the video games!" ~ Heath Nicholson

I think the mods think this troll is new, or that them endorsing it makes it new, or some other mistake.

Mod is probably roid raging after getting back from the gym. Its not your fault your 5 ft tall

fuck /v/idya

>stickying a troll thread

sticking in a poastie

why is this being stickied.
oh well, postin in the sticky.

>sticky

Fucking why

>not putting your stickies in the fridge

Why the fuck is this shit stickied?

>Captcha: reinstold intian

wat

Why is this stickied? Is a mod trying to troll with a year old quote?

I didn't even care when he said it, let alone now.

sage in a sticky, just as pointless as this thread

picture related, this is art, video games are not

>>93560324
>>93560586

http://code.google.com/p/project6014/wiki/Downloads?ts=1285884563&updated=Downloads

Here you go.

>this thread

>Sticky

But, this isn't even new...

Sure is faggy mods in here.

>mods face when

>give people 3 day bans for saying a meme that included the word "nigger"
>regularly post off topic shit and sticky it
>lol we're so quirky and random

Eh.

This is legitimately the worst sticky ever. Also, didn't Ebert retract that statement later on?

sage

"Protoss is fucking OP" ~ Roger Ebert

MODS IN FULL FORCE TODAY

Maybe he's right, maybe not, but why do they have to be? Isn't it enough for us to find them fun? Why should we insist that they be art?

>>93560800
She's the only furry thing I've fapped to.

>MFW MODS R BEING CODS AGANE

But you know what video games can have, Robert?

A chin.


g'night everybody!

And here I was taking a last peek with my cock out after masturbating, fuck you /v/.

Well look what we got after they searched for new competent mods a while ago.

>/v/ already mad as is
>Sticky to make them madder

mods are asses

Congrats on your first sticky OP!

>>93560902
Ohboyherewego.jpg

>mod's faces

>>93560902

Roger Ebert is the best film critic to have ever lived
I love him, but I have to disagree with his argument. Some games can be art. Most however are not. It's similar to anime and manga; there's some art-quality stuff but most is trash.

Posting in a Sticky.
Video Games are art by the way.

>>93560902
slow the fuck down there mod

>mfw Roger Ebert is a mod on /v/

Caption - realerst France

Can someone go on the 4chan IRC and tell the mods to quit fucking around on /v/?

>troll sticky
WHY?

DIDN'T /V/ SUFFER ENOUGH ALREADY?

>>93560902

Posting furry porn in a sticky

What kind of sick man would sticky this?

>>93554645
>>93560902
Here we go...

Lol sticky.

inb4

:V

His face can never be art.

WTF mods

>>93560902
Are mods finally awake for the first time?

FUCK YEAR

"Video games can never be art" ~ Stan Lee

MODS = FAGS

>>93554645
"fuck you" - Me

>stickied

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS.

LET IT FLOW THROUGH YOU /v/.

why is it the only time the mods are on they do stupid bullshit like this.

inb4 vuvuzelas again or some shit.

fucking mods

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/jimquisition/3075-Videogames-Are-Not-Movies-Get-Over-It

Only answer to this.

Art is useless.
Many videogames and videogame systems (such as the PS3) are useless.
Therefor, videogames are art, and your statement is a contradiction.

>make a post that just happens to end with two equal digits
>get banned for 10 days
>someone else makes shitty non-vidya troll thread
>sticky

Stickied? Outstanding!

>Random public banning of an underaged poster
>Sticky an old and shitty troll repost

Doing half-assed shit once a month doesn't magically make you competent, mods.

Why is this a sticky?

A sticky post can never be a good post.

>>93560800
>Lola Bunny

He IS right. Video games do nothing but stunt brain growth and creativity.

posting in a sticky lol

retard mods are retarded

This is fucking old, and the guy himself retracted the statement after being presented with some tasteful vidya games.

they might not be art but atleast i have my bottom jaw

>>93554645
Saging a sticky for the videogames[/spoilers]

its time to derail

>>93560982
How could they not be art, though? Ebert seems to have a false definition of art. He probably thinks that only paintings and shit can be art. Videogame graphics, when worked on thoroughly, are better than much of what society considers art.

>>93560970
I personally like this sticky better than :V and that one with Garrus hugging Shepard.

Wow mods

Real topical aren't we?

Shit thread

a sticky?
so there are mods here?
can you guys do something about all the off-topic threads?

>Stickying a troll thread

Suck my dick, mods

>>93561078
I'll be back with a conversation with them.

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>>93561112
>not banned
/v/ has no mods.

>Mods

>stickied

Roger Ebert should lay off the fatty foods.

>people saging a sticky

Could you guys be any more retarded?

>>93561310
>:V

Gentleman Kan-Suk-Dik made a thread and it got stickied?

"I hate video games." ~ /v/'s Mods

>>93561012
>Saging a sticky
I NEVER FUCKING HERPED SO DERP THAT I ASJSAKDAJKLSDAJSDED