>STALKER
>guilty of poor shotguns

lol, OP, you so funny

The original Rainbow six series had a good depiction of shot spread.

Also, the TOZ-34 in Stalker is a goddamn sniper rifle.

In BFBC2 you can snipe with the shotgun better than the sniper.

NV has buckshot and slug rounds
slugs have about the same amount of spread as a rifle in game

and borderlands has shotguns with spreads from like 2 degrees to like 170 degrees

your top pic is wrong way round btw

Slugs in stalker are fucking sniperrifle tier. when it comes to accuracy.

>>80033871
idk about you OP but I felt shotguns were fine in stalker, did you forget to change from buck to slug?

Have you ever played BC2?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wlmsdt-Fqhk

Halo CE had a terrific shotgun, considering it was sci-fi

>MW2
>shotgun is worthless at more than 5 feet

>BC2
>shotgun is more accurate than a sniper rifle

>Arma2
>shotgun is realistic

Suck it.

I agree, Ive always been disappointed how weak shottys are at mid range in games.

>>80034190
Arma 2 shotguns don't even fire spreadshot
they all fire slugs

You can only snipe with the shotguns in BC2 because you activated the slug addon

>>80033967
>>80034083
>>80034103
Slugs are fine, I did play that game, I played all 3 actually and love them, but when using shot in stalker it still spreads way more than it should.

In video games, usually when they say "shotgun" they actually mean "musketoon."

>>80034238
>they all fire slugs

Nope.

>You can only snipe with the shotguns in BC2 because you activated the slug addon

Which everyone gets unless they are retarded, also, it still shouldn't be a sniper rifle.

OP knows that Slugs are basically bigass bullets, right? They fly the same are regular rounds.

SHOT will fly in a pattern before dispersing into a large circle.

>>80034150
To bad I don't play online :(
Never ran into that addon during the campaign

/k/ here.

OP's top shotgun is not accurate. The spread is wider than that.

>>80034355
Yes I know that
but can you come up with a better way to explain this to GAMERS?

>>80034190

>mw2
>shotguns useless

they may not be like real shot guns, but out of all the call of duty games they have the most range and the most reliable.

>>80034366
yes but it shouldn't cover an entire barn wall from a few feet away either

This is the spread pattern at 7 yards. It's actually closer to the bottom picture than you might think.

It'll still kill you dead.

>>80034567

Depending on the barrel length it can.

After shooting skeet once I agree op although I heard spread is wider for combat shotguns compared to hunting shotguns.

>mfw it's called Modern Warfare
>mfw all fighting occurs at less than 100 meters
>mfw shotguns would dominate all ranges in games if they were represented accurately since combat is so small scale
>mfw I am faceless

>>80034612
And here is 30 yards. only 2 out of 9 pellets hit the target.

Have you ever played Insurgency? The Marine shotgun has a range so big that you can pratically snipe people with it.

>>80034612
10 inch spread compared to what most games do and spread 20 feet over 4 yards

>>80034319
>Nope.
Yes, all of the shotguns in Arma 2 only fire slugs.

90% of /v/ wouldn't even know the difference between slugs and shotshell, this thread is pointless.

In games, shotguns are either that cone or they can't hit anything after 5 feet.

THERE IS NO MIDDLE GROUND

>>80034190

spas in mw2 with grip and steady aim gives you rage inducing range

I want a punt gun in vidya with a fat spread

I usually mod shotguns in the games I play so they're realistic. It makes them much more fun.

As a rough average shotguns usually spread an inch per yard under a certain distance. 5 inches at 5 yards, 10 inches at 10 yards, and 25 inches at 25 yards. With some loads you might even get half the spread (.5in per yard). After 45 yards it gets a little ridiculous.

CALL OF DUTY IS NOT REALISTIC. THERE ARE PERKS THAT MAKE YOU TAKE NO FALL DAMAGE. THERE'S NO FRIENDLY FIRE. THERES A PERK THAT LETS YOU SPRINT UNLIMITEDLY.

FUCK OFF

SWAT 4 has accurate shotguns

also
>if an FPS has a bad shotgun it's usually a bad game
>if the shotgun is good it could be the saving grace of the game

TF2 has the best shotgun, shame the game is shit.

>>80035056
Sweet jesus, looks like you'd break every bone in your body firing that thing.

Crysis with the tight choke the shotgun is very accurate

too bad it doesn't do that much damage though, guess the koreans all wear kevlar mesh inserts

>>80035277
they mounted it to a boat usually

the bottom line is games are balanced for competitive play, THEN they try to make it real. game balance overrules realism all the time. if you do not realize this you have caught the dumb.

>>80034867
>30 yards
For reference, the maximum range of shotguns in Black Ops is about 12 meters (before the shot suddenly vanishes).

At just under half your range, their spread at their maximum possible 12.5m is probably five times worse than that 30 yard shot of yours.

realism is shit tier. i'd rather play a balanced game than a realistic one.

>>80035056

god damn that movie was just fucking horrid

>>80035058
>>80034867
>>80034612
Keep in mind that spread is heavily dependent on the weight of the shot being used.
Take bird shot for example.
That shit takes a LONG ass distance before spreading.

I doubt that bird shot is used in combat, but just to make the argument fair.

>mfw /v/ still does not understand game balance in relation to shotguns in video games

>>80035412
in shooters I'd prefer realism over balance

I think they nailed it perfectly in timesplitters 2. The double-barrel shotgun had a perfecty trade-off between accuracy, power and range.

>>80035696
>>80035551
calling game balance realistic is bullshit
you didn't do it, but the devs obviously do.

HUR DUR OPERATOR WITH SHOT GUN SPREAD OF 50 FEET IN 2 YARDS

>>80035231
>>80035002

Yeah in quake live and tf2 shotguns are in the middle of realistic and game realism

They do average damage at mid and huge damage at close range

The funny irony here is that between most recent games, the first halo probably had the most realistic shot gun. Assuming it used some really heavy shot.

>>80035696
in a realistic game, balanced shotguns could be pump-action with realistic accuracy, and for a game like black ops, a perk like flak jacket could also reduce shotgun shell damage

with this, they'd be slow but deadly, just like a sniper rifle but with a max-range of deadly efficiency slightly less than a SMG instead of a min-range use

balanced shotgunning would be perfectly possible, but would piss all over the Halo style of play, running around corners constantly because a smart player would instagib your ass for trying to be Rambo

>MW2
>shotgun is worthless at more than 5 feet

Whoever said this, you are wrong.

>>80035765
i never said it was realistic. i said it was balanced for shotguns to be close range combat.

>>80035922
Maybe he meant COD4, WaW and Black Ops.

The shotguns in MW2 were the only good, useful shotguns in the series.

>>80035939
and I even stated that you didn't
I don't see your point

>>80035917
>balanced shotgunning would be perfectly possible, but would piss all over the Halo style of play, running around corners constantly because a smart player would instagib your ass for trying to be Rambo


>i hate it when people have fun in fps! they need to be cold and calculating like me

not balanced for lean

>>80035847
Allegedly Halo shotguns are 8-gauge... so yeah it's huge.

>>80036031
i could give a shit about realism. umad faggot realist? go play arma 2.

>>80035702
Play ArmA.

>>80035765
CoD devs claim the games are realistic? Show me one quote.

>>80035396

>>80036045
>lawl skill don't matter, just running around spray and praying headshots is all that matters

>>80035917
A Vietnam era flak jacket couldn't stop a shotgun blast

they do it for balance reasons

>>80036210
>>80036179
Doom and doomclones I miss your shotguns.

Why don't apologetically singleplayer shooters involve your ilk?

>>80034176
Halo CE shotgun was fucking god tier. I think the only enemy in the entire game it was ineffective against, were Hunters. And even that was only because you'd be stupid to waste a shotgun shell against a Hunter when you can down them in 1 pistol shot in the back.

>>80036197
>WHY IS THAT GUY HAVING FUN WITH A NEGATIVE K/D RATIO

>>80033871


The problem is if shot guns were realistic in games they would blow away the assault rifle counter parts.

Could you imagine how OP an AA-12 would be if it were actually realistic in accuracy, and recoil??

>>80036089
well im not mad at you, just devs, which now im learning im wrong about them saying it's realistic also.

>>80036099
well how bout that.
A quick google basically proved to me that a lot of people think and assume CoD is realistic. Couldn't really find a quote from the devs.
Well then, let me change my argument to.
im mad at people who think call of duty is realistic.

>>80036233
A normal, plated flack jacket can't even protect you from more than a couple of rounds from an assault rifle.

>>80036343

>negative

Mine is always positive.

>>80036370
>im mad at people who think call of duty is realistic.

That's fair.

>>80036370
I think the guns killing in a couple of shots is pretty realistic, other than that no.

>>80036350
Sounds like a lot of fun to me.

>>80036030
>CoD4

Nigger you best be joking. Shotguns were awesome in CoD4, I used the pump all the time.

Let me enjoy my arcadey over the top 80s action movie shooters in peace please.

If you view the CoD series as a homage to 80s action flicks, you'll enjoy them a lot more.

>>80036553
CoD4 had terrible shotguns. Worst range in the series except for possibly WaW.

>>80034986
Can someone explain this picture to me?

>>80036648
Maybe in babby Standard they were.

Shotguns would rip shit up at any range depicted in most modern shooters, if slugs are an option then it would destroy anybody in one shot, people dont realize how insanely powerful a 12gauge slug is.

If these guns were modeled as they really are then there would be no other choice in a game really, so yea, it pisses me right the fuck off when a load of buckshot vanishes after 50 feet or spreads out to car sizes, but still, the alternative would be one shot death cannons on most maps considering how small they are in most games.

Same reason my rifle can't aim across the map. Everything has to be scaled back.

If it helps, think of it as an abstract representation.

>>80033871
RAINBOW SIX VEGAS 2.

LOL NPCS HAVE SHOTGUNS WITH SCOPES ON THEM :D

>>80036728
I guess the real problem is how fucking easy it is to aim in video games then eh?

FLOWCHART:

DOES YOUR GAME HAVE MULTIPLAYER?

IF YES, BALANCE > REALISM
IF NO, BALANCE < REALISM

L4D has the most realistic shotgun.

Prove me wrong.

>>80036728
STEP 1. REMOVE SNIPER RIFLES (ONLY FAGS AND PUSSIES USE THOSE THINGS)
STEP 2. INTRODUCE VARIOUS BUCKSHOT AND SLUG SHOTGUNS

>>80036728
This needs to be a gamemode. They could call it "real life".

>Play "Realistic" shooter.
>Fire one bullet.
>Reload.
>All the other bullets in the clip I just reloaded and discarded magically reappear on my ammo belt, leaving my ammo stockpile less only a single bullet instead of a whole clip.

>>80036992
I actually like that lol

>>80036912

The first tier shotguns would realistically have six shots, 3 if the plug in magazine tube wasn't removed.

>>80037052
just assume you kept the mag

Cowa Dooty!

>>80037052
Also
>magazine can have 30 rounds in it
>one round in the gun already
>WHY NEVER

>>80037147
He'll still be able to shot one shot, reload, shoot one shot, reload... untill he's out of ammo

>>80037259
The little robot in your backpack organizes all the bullets and reloads the not-full magazines.

>>80033871
l2research
Different choke types offer different types of spread.

I can't believe /v/ is this stupid.

On an interesting note of FPS's

Today i learned that robin williams plays BF2, as a sniper no less

>mfw shotguns have less effective range than melee weapons in games.

>>80036693
I'll ask again.

>>80037052
this is something I actually REEAAAALLLLYYYYY wish someone would be bold enough to change. Rather than starting with say, 120 bullets, start with 6 30-bullet clips and a fully loaded weapon. Each time you reload, you go down a clip rather than magical clip-shifting bullets.

You could introduce something like every 30 seconds your character is alive, you get a free +1 clip resupply, but adding that kind of resource management to a FPS would be fucking awesome

>>80037441
He's playing Black Ops on the 360 nowadays.

If realistic shotguns would be too powerful in games?

Why doesnt the army equip shotguns as standard?

>>80037535
SWAT 4.

>>80037556

Well i will be fucked.
I always think of him and vin desil playing D+D together

also, for people saying realistic shotguns would be imba, then why is the standard weapon for EVERY ARMY INFANTRY OF EVERY COUNTRY a goddamn assault rifle? Why do SWAT teams generally have one or two shotgun specialists with the rest using SMGs or ARs?

>>80037535
>clip
>clip
>clip
>clip
>clipclipclipclip

>>80037535
Insurgency did that. If you reloaded early, the magazine went back into reserve mags as minus whatever bullets you fired. You would get to the half used ones after you went through all full ones.

>>80037607
1/10

>>80037457
I think he's making his own slugs

>>80037607
Because firefights usually take place a hell of a lot further away than the usual ten-foot dancing we have have in vidya.

>BFBC2
>Shotfuns

Its for game balancing purposes, but it does indeed blow.

>>80037535
Americas Army 3

It sucks, bad.

>>80037535
There are a ton of games that do this. Stop playing bad games.

Like with most things, DOOM did it best. You can shotgun an imp from across a medium-sized room, but your accuracy will noticeably suffer at longer distances.

>>80036728

Should that really be a problem when everyone is packing automatics that by all rights should be able to kill just as well from even further?

If anything it's just that players would be used to shotguns = close range, when really a SMG would be a better option.

>>80035412

Actually false. You see, if the game was realistic, it wouldn't need balancing at all. Why? Tell me, do you see actual military going into war with nothing but shotguns? If there is a reason to not rely heavily on them in real life, then there is a reason not to do so in a sufficiently realistic game.

>>80037697
Because they're only referring to power.

Main problem is they don't hold a lot of ammo. Also, if you're using a pump shotgun, having to do that in between shots is a huge draw back.

>Play MW2 online
>Use shotguns
>Works perfectly fine

>>80037535
Personally, I'd love to see a game where rather then health/shields/what have you, bullets have a realistic effect on your body. So, you get shot in the foot 10 times. Rather then dying, which realistically, you wouldn't if you were shot in a limb ten times, you'd start hobbling around at reduced movement speed and stumble and fall over randomly. Hand shots would prevent you from aiming accuratly or, for more powerful weapons/repeated shots, you wouldn't be able to use your weapon. The only way to kill someone would be a kill shot. I can't help but think it's be kinda fun dragging myself around a map on my stomach with my legs shot to shit, trying to kill people by holding my knife with my teeth cos' my hands were both full of bullet holes.

The gameplay issue of having to use a crippled character could easily be solved by a system that calculated blood loss based on your wounds and had you slowly bleed out over time.

>people who want shotguns to be realistic get their wish
>as a result everything else is also made realistic
>shotgun user gets shot from over 300 yards by a guy with an AR
>gets shot from 100 yards by a guy with a SMG
>cries about it

>>80038210

>>Quick scoping Black ops fag implying all combat is close quarters maps just like his multiplayer experience.

>>80038326
Red Orchestra did something like this

>>80038326
yeah, it's called realism. video games are against it for some reason.

>>80038326
That's not really how getting shot works. After getting shot in the leg 10 times you would not be dragging yourself around a battlefield looking for more combat.

>>80037697
I would guess that those "shotgun specialists" are toting special breaching or non-lethal shotguns.

>>80038326
Well that is the most retarded shit ever. How is this realistic? At all? If you were shot in the foot 10 times, you'd probably be on the floor yelling for a medic.

I got one, if you're shot in the brain,

you can't think

>>80038298

>>implying the AA-12 doesn't house a 20 drum clip

>>80038326
>So, you get shot in the foot 10 times. Rather then dying, which realistically, you wouldn't

If you got shot in the foot 10 times, you wouldn't have a foot left. This would be a problem as major arteries do go through it, so you'd probably pass out in less then a minute and die a few minutes later without medical attention.

Anytime any appendage falls off, you have to act fast or else you're fucked.

>>80038548
Well in a videogame everyone would have to be equivalent to a criminal on pcp who refuses to go down.

>>80038548
If I were shot in the leg 10 times and actually had the balls to drag myself around then hell yes, I'm going to go looking for combat. Mad as fuck.

>>80034150

My god that is fucking horrible.

It has Spas-12, which is also a pump-action (only few thousand Spas-12's have been produced, and only people who were interested in it, were civilian gun collectors).

Also, my eyes fucking bleed when i saw that Neostead shotgun with magazine capacity of PATHETIC 4 ROUNDS, when in reality, it's 12. It makes me feel fucking nauseos....

People already bitch about shotguns in MW2 and BFBC2 having too much range.

>>80038778
>It makes me feel fucking nauseos....

Why do you care so much? Who gives a fuck?

>>80038326

Needs blood loss worked in.

add slugs and its a laser up until a certain point (which i assume is less than a regular bullet).

>>80038778
>nauseos
>nauseos
>nauseos
>nauseos
>nauseos

>>80038827
Anyone remember people crying about the 1887's when they could kill at more than 5-10ft range?

>>80038326
>Personally, I'd love to see a game where rather then health/shields/what have you, bullets have a realistic effect on your body. So, you get shot in the foot 10 times. Rather then dying, which realistically, you wouldn't if you were shot in a limb ten times, you'd start hobbling around at reduced movement speed and stumble and fall over randomly. Hand shots would prevent you from aiming accuratly or, for more powerful weapons/repeated shots, you wouldn't be able to use your weapon. The only way to kill someone would be a kill shot. I can't help but think it's be kinda fun dragging myself around a map on my stomach with my legs shot to shit, trying to kill people by holding my knife with my teeth cos' my hands were both full of bullet holes.

Hey kid. Here's your realism for you:

You get shot in the head once: you die.
You get shot in the chest once: you die.
You get shot in the stomach once: you become incapacitated and bleed to death on the floor.
You get shot in the arm once: you become incapacitated and bleed to death on the floor.
You get shot in the leg once: you become incapacitated and bleed to death on the floor.
You get shot in the ass once: you become incapacitated and bleed to death on the floor.

Etc.

>>80038944
Not that dude you're arguing with, but this is why a "realistic" game would fucking suck.

>>80038944
you have no absolutely no idea what you're talking about

>>80038944
Please google "Phineas Gage" and do us all a favor.

I'm watching with great curiosity how Cowa Dooty tricks an entire generation into believing that they would not only actually survive 3-4 rounds of 7.62x39, but also be fine after running behind a corner to cry for ten seconds.

>>80039174
Oh gee, a one out of a million statistical miracle. You sure won this one.

Bullets tend to do more than just fucking lodge into you.

>BFBC2
>SPAS12
>magnum ammo
>not even using slugs
>if this thing had a scope you wouldn't need fucking sniper rifles

>>80039174
that was so lucky its not even funny. it was like a smooth hole the whole way through


bullets dont make clean holes.

>>80039174

There's always one freak who doesn't seem to play by the rules. More than one person has survived falling from an airplane without a parachute. yet if you jump out of one and expect to pull the same thing off, you're just committing suicide.

The general rule is that being shot even once takes you out of the fight and if you don't receive medical treatment, kills you. Even if they shot you in the foot.