no one ever posts in my threads

They make it fucking annoying. Especially when the game purposely misunderstands you and says OH NO YOU DIDNT PRESS DOWNRIGHT THAT WAS JUST DOWN SO IT DOES NOTHING.

Main reason why I don't play fighting games, the fucking shit controls.

It's just bullshit so tourneyfags can circlejerk about how good their "execution" is.

And SSF4's shortcuts just make it worse a lot of the time, not to mention the retarded overlapping inputs to begin with.

I rage so much when I'm playing as Sagat and I'm like "oh dis nigga's gonna jump at me" and I try mashing DP and do some pussy punch or some shit and get kicked in the head i mad

Inputs should be different from each character but easy to do, after all, nobody likes fighting against the controller instead the oponent.
There are "tricky characters" to use but if properly used, they should pay off with damage or combo easiness.

Still, SF3 is one of my favorite fighting games because inputs are so easy to do, yet the game remains as a meta challenge against the opponent, there's still bait, bluff and combos.

Now there's KOF95 where inputs are HARD AS FUCK and the AI destroys you because always connects.

I always preferred Tekken over SF, not to say that SF doesn't have it's good points. I find it does a good job at recreating a fight and showing the differences between martial arts.

It depends really. I think that 1 frame links only serve to hinder things, they don't provide any depth at all. It's strange that Capcom put them into SF4 considering how simplified the rest of the game is.

I massively prefer the street fighter/guilty gear/Virtua Fighter style of input as opposed to the Tekken style which tends just to be juggles.

I think SF has done it well, giving a quick and reasonable input that is easy to hard, and hard to chain, but not impossible leading to maximum fun.

>>79807156
>overlapping inputs
>doing normals instead of the most mashable move in the game
No son, that's called full blown mashing. You have to at least wait until you finish hurring out the motion before you durr the buttons.

You peopel are complainign about street fighters input. Clearly none of you have played killer insinct.

>>79807330
well DP motion is stupid anyway. I can do QCF on reaction just fine but always fuck DP up because I have like a fifth of a second to do it.

>>79807230
*easy to do
>easy to hard

WELP I need to sleep.

Think guilty gear does it best
Timing AND Input = steep, steep learning curve
but once you get over the hills, you'll be proud
Playing well should mean practice was involved, not just beating a tutorial mode

>>79807443
>>79807443

Hold the fucking phone.

I KNOW you're not talking shit about
JAAAYYYYGOOOOOO!
COMBOOOOOOOO!
and of course
SPINAAAAL!

>>79807156
>He can't DP
Are you sure you aren't button mashing? Jesus, if you can't even do that, I shudder to think that you have the motor skills to play any fighting game.

sf4, i look at a combo, i practice it, but apparently i have to get the framelinks right

i either practice this shit for hours to get my ass raped online, or i play something where my brain and not my fingers matter

>>79807451
>down downright down

OH MAN IT'S SO HARD.

DP is easier once you get used to it. It's bemusing at first, but you've played fighting games before right? It's easier in SF4 than ever.

Longer high damage combos should rely on tighter timing rather then memorization alone. There should be a risk to using high damage combos.

If we're just talking about SFIV, I think Rufus is the only character in the game that damn near requires you to learn a one frame link. And it's his only combo, so that's what you're practicing.

SF3 had easy inputs and it's regarded as a superb fighting game.
KOF98 and above, specially 2002, got their inputs easier and the games got progressively better, 2002 being the favorite, even if it's unbalanced as fuck.
SF4 has HORRENDOUS controls with hard inputs and other blasphemous and annoying shit that makes the game troll tier, with retarded easy and annoying spammable shit like Zangief's lariat and easy as fuck moves, then we got Guile, the guy that never wants to do what you told him to, or Gouken, the overlapping inputs guy.

Shit should be easy or a little bit more sensitive to the inputs. Stuff like Mortal Kombat perfect frame inputs and timing gets annoying and detriments the match.

in b4 noob and casual, because fuck you and your shitty controls.

how the fuck does that vance guy do 720s with a controller? I was trying to do 360s on the psp and fucked my hand up

>>79807595
Yes, try hitting the pad with your head, that will work.
You buffoon.

>>79807745
>playing fighting games on the psp

They serve their purpose, because the inputs are basically languages between you and the character. With that said, Virtua Fighter and KoF went a liiiiiittle bit overboard with them.
It's OK to have:
2-button inputs;
quarter circle moves;
half circle moves;
charge moves;
multiple button presses

No good ideas:
Just Frame moves;
making negative edge the only way to execute specials;
raging fucking storm;
720 rotations;
charge partitions. These really don't add any more depth than what the first set of examples that I wrote, can do.

Oh and in before >I can't do them, cuz I can. It's still dumb as fuck though.

>>79807737
>that 4th line
>no mention of Seth, the character that people get raped with after dizzying their opponent because his inputs are so fucked

>>79807661
>down downright down

dude what

welp maybe that shortcut is easier but f, d, df is a really stupid motion like most in SF. And it's dumb how specials and ultras overlap so you'll fuck up the ultra if you don't input it fast enough.

>>79807737
Maybe it's just me but KoF98 input were fucking hard hell.

>>79807987
Yeah. You had to have thumbs of steel to play that game effectiveley

>>79807766
No really, you can perform the exactly right combo, but at the wrong speed you will perform other moves or nothing at all.

It's like a quicktime event, without the prompt, you have to memorize it, and if you get it wrong in anyway you get fucked in the face by a shoto and called a scrub.

I like sf/kof/gg motions as opposed to tekken motions. that is all.

Why do people interpret 1-frame links as being purposefully "put" into the game? It's the playtesters and players who find out what links are possible in the first place, the designers aren't looking at every possible combo just from the frame data and saying "let's make this move really hard to combo into from this move" with complete disregard to whether or not that combo is useful.

Pic somewhat related. Capcom's testers (or not even them but the competitive players experimenting with him) might have been aware that this guy's close LK could link into close HP and had no complaints because the people testing him were already skilled enough with links ('plinking' has been around a lot longer than SF4) to do it consistently. The designers in charge of his frame data might not have known that combo was even possible (maybe they did, but didn't intend it to be a BnB combo).

>>79807987
Not so much, and if they were, they were MILES EASIER than 97 and below.

I mean, other shit was legendary to pull off.

Alright imma ask here. In tekken what the fuck do you press when there is a star symbol?

>>79807745
Whole can of worms.

People argue and argue about the way he does it but this is the right way:

He plays on a PS3 controller, generally using the D-Pad. He was multiple ways of doing the 720 (540 actually) but the most awesome way is this.

He approaches the other player, does a quick move, usually a low short kick, and during this time buffers the first 270* input going from back to up forward, then switches to the analog stick to do a 270 from forward to up-back then PPP.

He does this incredibly fast, giving the appearance of a walking 720. Sometimes he does it during a forward dash, which is also incredible.

>>79808187
>>79808187
FINALLY, THANK YOU

>>79808187
bro SF has like 12 moves. It's not complicated at all. Any goober can look at the frame data in a minute and see what combos into what if you know roughly how far away you'll be. The designers sure as fuck know when they're putting a combo in the game.

>>79808392
>hurr durr idk wat im talkin about derp
Cool story bro.

>>79806780

I don't like fighting games because of their control schemes, I suppose in an arcade it's not too bad and back in the SF2/MK/MK2 days the moves weren't that complicated.. but even like Symphony of the Night's magic spells using fighting game like inputs.. all my hate. Makes your thumbs sore and doing <,>,\, v, /,<,> to do a spell in a tense situation just tends to make you fail. Sometimes doing those moves with a disc shaped Dpad or analog stick causes other moves to go off too cause of a lack of precision in the pad.

The one time I didn't mind doing those inputs I had a 3rd party SNES pad that had like a touch/slide pad dpad instead of the cross or a disk.. worked really nice.... for 2 weeks before the sensors gave out or something and it was permanently going to the right.

I know it's not a real fighting game but I like the smash bros series because the specials are relatively simple to do. Also Tales of RPG's that have somewhat of a fighting game like combat system, again, specials are easy to do. Not so callus forming on the thumb.

>Retarded-ass input combinations
>Instantly think of Soul Calibur
>Ivy's throw
>You know the one.

>>79808187
because they fucking programmed it to make a move have a one frame advantage, dumbass.

>>79808187
The 1frame combos are IN THE TUTORIALS AS BASIC SHIT TO PULL OFF.

And they're not fun, sadly. SF3 was better overall, and maybe i'm a lazy fucker, but the easy inputs made SF3rd strike my favorite game.

Also Guilty Gear. They're easy fair enough to input. Now to properly link them, shit son, there are a fuckton of techs and shit.

I mean, every game with a mentality of "easy to learn, hard to master" is superior always.

>>79808559
>he thinks that there are any attacks with 1 frame start up other than Ultra grabs

>>79808493
>ahh dood SF is so deep know one even can comprehend all the comibnations of moves hururududru

noop. 12 moves + unique moves. It's simple as fuck. They adjust the block stun to create combos. It's not just a coincidence that some moves with huge recovery can somehow combo or be safe because it happens to have a huge block stun.

>>79808546
It's called Summon Suffering, but that one isn't that great an example. All you gotta do is swing your stick twice in circles and it'll execute.

>>79808237
I see what you mean but I don't understand the point of switching to analog stick.

>>79808689
>doesn't know what frame advantage is

Jesus Christ I assumed tripfags at least know how the game works

>>79807910
>720s
>bad

Someone can't play grapplers.

>>79808751
I think he might do it with his right thumb. Not sure at all though. It's true, there isn't much point, but I think it's personal preference because it's the same input.

>>79808747
Does that work?! I don't think I ever managed to get that move to work.

>>79808791
One frame advantage is +1. Nothing combos off +1.

>>79808534
Seriously. I didn't finish the Norcal tournament, did Vangief lose?

Even so, the guy is amazing. He really lands the 720 when it counts.

>>79808791
see
>>79808913

You fucking moron.

>>79808808
WEEEEELLLL those 720s you are talking about are Hugo and Q, and those are from Street Fighter 3rd strike i assume, the most forgiving game input around.
SF4 Zangief has some easy to pull 360s and 720s. Now, in SF2, NOBODY played Zangief because it demanded to be PERFECT.

>>79808913
oh lol my bad

but still, SF is some bullshit with the inputs

>>79806780
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x60Upja4dzg
Jill can play pain too

>>79809067
>tripfag corrects you
>"HURR DURR TRIPFAGS SO DUMB XD"
>anon corrects you
>"oh my bad brah"

>>79809155
art thou mad demonik?

>>79809028

No where in my post stated 3rd Strike inputs nor did the original poster stated what game had hard 720 input (although you're on the ball).

>>79809155
because your other post didn't correct anything. Just showed you didn't know anything. Capcom knows how combos work and they put them in the game, obviously.

>>79809155
morans youre all morans you keep arguing about one frame start up moves when the discussion is about one frame link moves

Jesus christ you fags are the reason Brawl is considered a fighting game. Man the fuck up or get out of the genre it's been the same for 20 years and we'd like to keep it that way.

>>79809304
>still implying that there are any moves in the game with 1 frame of startup

>>79809324
Oh boy I can't wait to watch Valle and Daigo et. al. playing SF for 20 more years because no one gives a fuck enough to learn these outdated inputs.

>>79809324

>Been the same for 20 years

nope

>>79809452
that was two different people

still never explained how this is wrong
>>79808392

>>79809569
Well for starters, there are more than 12 moves, so good job on that.

>>79808546

you gotta buffer the throw through sidesteps,trust me when you get it you feel bad-ass.

On the note of mechanics though I hate the dependency on 1-frame links in the SFIV series on top of the fact that reversals are crazy easy on top of the lenient inputs.Also no guard crush so the game on top of being pro turtle and slow as dirt has no drawback for downbacking for almost an entire match

>>79809155
>>79809304

see
>>79809321

I just have 1 question, can someone please explain to me what the fuck this means?

>>79809644
1-frame link is especially terrible for online play

Not everybody can play offline most of the time, so that really turns me off of the game.

>>79809752

shoryuken/srk/dp/dragon punch motion

forward, down, down-forward

>>79809752
Foward, down, downfoward. Also known as a dragonpunch motion or dp.

>>79809752
6, 2, 3

>>79809637
6 buttons standing and crouching, don't care about specials or unique attacks because they vary. Now explain how the designers of SF wouldn't know that one punch combos into another punch.

>>79809793
>my face when I still hit Rufus' s.lk > s.hp 1f 8 times out of 10 online

Learn to plink.

>>79809752
It's forward, down, down-forward. Shoryuken motion.

It's written like a Z because Japanese arcade sticks have square gates. So that's the exact motion you're doing for the move.

>>79809324

Actually, games like Virtual ON, Smash Bros AND Power Stone are legit steps to making a deep fighting game that requires less bullshit inputs.

I know what you're going to do though. You're going to point and laugh about how I consider Smash Bros to be a next step. It IS. Yes, it's not a deep fighting game, but neither was Street Fighter 1. Heck, the first Virtua Fighter was quite shallow too.

The point is that these games will pave the wave to the future. Someone's going to take a look at Power Stone/Smah Bros and try and end up making a deeper fighting engine based on those games.

>>79809888
>he thinks people will believe this
you hit it maybe 3/10 times when i played you

>>79809752
srk motion, dp motion, uppercut motion, forward > down > down-forward motion, wave dashing, etc. etc. Pretty much it's a shoryuken motion and is a staple in many fighting games.

>>79809932
>13 year old games are the future for a 20 year old genre
Good luck with that

>>79809509
19 years then, once SFII came out every 2D fighting game that came out after that just copied the same formula and added gimmicks.

>>79809978
>one match
>first day i picked up rufus
>still hitting it that many times on your dumbass

Stay free, son.

>>79809932
>Yes, it's not a deep fighting game, but neither was Street Fighter 1.
Which probably explains why SF1 wasn't influential to anything and largely considered a piece of shit.

>>79809644
yeah, and you can buffer reversals while blocking so it's pretty much a free combo breaker since no one but 100 fags on SRK and tourneys can even do the combos. And someone'll say you should stop mid combo to bait the reversal but the odds are way against you. Reversals are low risk high reward in this game.

so if smash bros had life bars and super meters and cancels would it be a legitimate fighting game?

My favorite motion of all time has to be the Raging Storm motion. SO GODLIKE!

>>79809932
>implying that kind of stuff could possibly replace the traditional input system of fighting games

Yeah, that is definitely not happening. I could see depth being applied in that direction, but you're definitely not going to replace the tried and true system based on commands.

>>79809793

oh and you can't forget the fact that you can't 2 in 1 in a combo traditionally unless the last particular normal is linked.

ie cody's knife cr.lp,cr.lp,standing lp cr lkxxfierce upper has to have the standing lp and cr lk link as opposed to chaining.

Just little things like that piss me off.

>>79810077
>it was yesterday
>proud he hit a link 3/10 times

>>79810133
If you're expecting a reversal, bait it. Start a combo and drop it on purpose and then punish.

>>79810121

No one cared about SF1 because the controls were shit and it played like shit.

>>79810180
what's wrong with having a dedicated special button? blazblue is halfway there already

>>79810133
Not exactly. When you get better it's not really a problem, they get stuffed a lot easier in SSF4, not to mention it comes down to your failure to complete a combo. I realize that you're saying it's easier for him to reversal than it is for you to land the combo, but hey, it's just as easy to get him to fuck up that SRK once, land him straight on his ass, and get him in endless tearjerking mixup.

>>79810176

No, people would still hate on it.

>>79810185
>>79810235
It's like Zangief's LP-LP-LP MP into Greenhand.

I can't do that so well so I only hit the LP's then block and watch for Reversal, then it's grabbing time.

>>79810133
>implying ssf4 combos are THAT hard
>implying there are many true 1f combos in this game with the discovery of plinking
>implying you shouldn't be punished for dropping your combo
>implying a mashed srk is low risk

lol

>>79810379
YOU TRYING DOING ELF'S RSF ONLINE PUNK

>>79810185
That's really the ONE thing making SFIV an annoying game for the average person. Even in SFII you could either do CPS1 chains or kara cancel in CPS2 to trick the game into letting you do specials off chains. Every single other fighting game anyone even knows let's you fucking cancel off of chains, including the entire Alpha series, the entire SFIII series, and the entire CvS series, which has the otherwise most similar combo system.

It would make competent level play so much more accessible and the standard of online play so much fucking higher if you could just do cr.LK>cr.LP>cr.LK xx Spiral Arrow or Tatsu without having to hit a 2 frame window.

>>79808546

>Can do said throw.
>Works when just spinning joystick
>Fuck yea

I'm fine with inputs that derive from the basic hadoken, shoryuken and hurricane kick standards.

But goddamnit some assholes try their hardest to cross that line. (Vega's ultra commands in SSF4, Hazama's astral command in BBCS, Leona's aerial V super on twitch reaction, ect.)

>>79810546
>implying ssf4, or just about any fighter ever is designed with online in mind

once again, lol

>>79810235
yeah but if the other guy isn't completely retarded he'll mix in his reversals randomly so you'll get DP'd just as often as you drop a combo for no reason. It's balanced badly IMO.

>>79810180
>Tried and true system

That's the problem, every developer is too afraid to take the next step because their afraid their game might be considered too radical and won't be in evo or some shit like that. Problem is the fighting genre outside of its established fanbase is seen as stale and dying. You know why people were so excited about 2009~2010 and heralded it as "The Year of the Fighters"? Beats me, we just got a half finished KOF game, more Street Fighter, and a Guilty Gear spinoff. The last two aren't that bad but no real innovation (innovation =/= gimmick) which is killing the genre.

>>79810662
Not an excuse in today's landscape.

>>79810724
>this is what innovationfags really believe
Man the FPS genre and entire Wii library must be buried 10' under by now if that makes the fighting genre dying.

>>79810724
>their

>>79810662
Really, they should think about it if they ever want to get out the niche status.

>>79810817
Thank you for proving my point.

>>79810897
What, that it's not dying?
It's popular?

>>79810724
Still have high hopes for MvC3 and KoFXIII.

>>79810176
No but if SFV had physics and directional based controls street fighter fags would still cum buckets like a bunch of a fags.

>>79811014

>>79806780
ArcSys games have the best controls.

I find performing anything that involves half-circle back -> forward quite satisfying
I'm even more fond of 720s and 1080s, though.

>>79810729
Sir, are you implying that fighting games, that are based on fast paced mind games, technical knowledge of the game, and above all else, EXECUTION, be made for a mode that can alter the frame rate of said game by about 2-4 frames randomly at any given time? Especially when said game depends heavily on those frames to execute the most basic of combo's? Why, that'd just be silly.

Anyone who plays ssf4 online for reasons other than learning a matchup, or just having mindless fun, is just silly.

What PP do you need to get good matches mostly? I'm around 800 and beat some 2000PP guy today (felt good man) because he actually tried to poke and do combos and stuff I could understand. Most matches are just throwing specials at each other because every time I try a normal attack I get DP'd.

SSF4 with a special button like SSB would be awesome, haters gonna hate. No overlapping inputs either. Just obvious as fuck, B + down for DP for example.

>>79810988
No you're proving people outside of an established fanbase don't see things in the same perspective.

There's a whole meta game associate with the FPS genre that you don't know about unless you're a hardcore fan. Hell Pokemon has the most batshit insane metagame I've ever seen, but the majority of people who aren't dedicated players never see the game outside of stale collecting game that gets made every year with new sprites.

360 LOBBY UP

MESSAGE ME OR EMA

STAY FREE /v/

>>79810724
lol, at this point with all of the new fighters coming out next year, '11 is taking that spot as "Year of the Fighters"

I mean seriously you have AH3, MvC3, KOF XIII, MK9, that Umineko doujin game or whatever, etc.

There is no way in hell the market is "dying."

>>79810176
Most of the hate is based on the fact that it's completely random, and without items it becomes a kind of strange footsie game (I kind of like it, but I hate when you bring the edge aspect into it).

I came up with an idea that I think it brilliant though for removing the randomness of items.

Instead of items being totally random, they should appear when certain conditions are fulfilled (like filling a meter for instance). What these items are and how/where they appear is up to the player to decide, kind of like a Super Art or something.

>>79811059
Admit you'd still suck Capcom's dick if they pulled a Street Fighter Brothers.

>>79811176
>who plays ssf4 online for reasons other than learning a matchup, or just having mindless fun

Then what the fuck is the meaning of playing SSFIV at all then? Make a living? lol

response to "meaningless directional inputs":

if you're talking about shit like just frames (making basic moves that are IN THE FUCKING MOVELIST require one-frame timing to even come out) or silly inputs like the pretzel motion (1632413) then yes that is completely arbitrary bullshit that developers need to avoid

if however you mean "2d fighters should have one button specials because you shouldn't have to do directional inputs ever", this would remove not only the ability to have multiple variants of a special move (light/medium/heavy/ex) but the ability to have more than 4 specials per character

if you have a way to do "direction + button" specials in a 2D fighting game without stripping down its movelist I'd love to know what it is

>>79811387
I can barely stand them as it is.

>>79811328
Then it becomes powerstone and fights turn into "RACE TOWARDS THE ITEMS!" which is what tourneyfags also hate.

>>79811420
>pretzel motion
WHAT GAME IS THAT FROM, I NEED TO KNOW SO I CAN MURDER THE DEVS

>>79811176
GGPO already solved that problem from what I hear. It corrects the game for what each console reports. They rarely diverge enough to cause a different outcome, do they? Either way, host advantage for not having a shitty connection is better than both lagging because of a shitty connection.

and fightan is perfect for online besides that problem. No one wants to go to smelly arcades and pay each match, and hardly anyone plays fightan these days. Also I'm antisocial as fuck.

And I wish SF would update its online mode. It looks like it was designed 10 years ago. They could use a real matchmaking system with Bayesian networks or something instead.

>>79811596

I think I remember one of Vega's specials in CVS2 having pretzel motion.

>>79811524
Actually, what I had in mind was that you could set it so that the item would either appear in your hand and allowing you to continue whatever combo you were doing at that point, you could have it appear at a set location in order to aid a strategy of yours, or you could have it hit the enemy like the projectile at whatever angle you want, allowing for potentially crazy setups.

>>79811524
The only items I like in Brawl are the Dragoon parts, since the competition to get the parts often results in more hilarious kills than the compete set

>>79811306
Yeah man that's a lot of.... sequels...

Genres should be measured on the amount of new IPs they're bringing in. Fighters got that covered I guess because of all the doujin fighters that come out every year but you could say that about all the smaller fps games that come out on Steam and when you factor in Indie stuff...

Well considering AAA titles only every genre is doing terribly atm with new content, what's even worse is that everyone is just willing to put up with it.

>>79811596
yeah you can thank SNK for that

Aw, you people are making me sad. Pretzel motion is awesome. :c

It's not like it's any worse than HCB, F+whatever.

>>79808546

>Ivy's throw

Oh god.

>>79810379

I don't think it's so much hard as much as it is just silly like the game wants to coddle newer players with lenient inputs and 60% life ultras with absurd hitboxes and startup but then they have 1 frame links necessary at anything above babby level play and even when you do learn them scaling can get crazy. which comes back to this game and it's ultras.

You can have an awesome match and then the other guy can beat you in 3 moves and reverse perfect you.That doesn't mean the game should be karate champ but stay consistent with your ideas.

inb4 "lol scrub" I can play the game fine,but that doesn't mean the design should be all over the place

>>79811420

Hard inputs are fine,you are typically rewarded with high damage and solid combo options with most of them.

Especially just frames(Soul series and VF) and crazy pretzel motions (pretty much just kof)

Even then these moves aren't mandatory for most matchups and can allow you to play the game with a basic if not advanced idea of the mechanics.

It's not like you have to pretzel to get a reppuken or do just frames to maintain a basic offense

>>79811887
>>79808546
Ok, fuck, now THAT is going too far.

>>79811710
The problem with that is symmetry, you add elements that make the game asymmetrical and suddenly it's shitstorms everywhere. You can't do anything to the stage that would deviate from the main aspect of a fighting game other than the fighting.

>>79811415
I play ssf4 to put knowledge that i've learned to the test, and to help other people learn it. Online straight up shits on that first aspect.

An example: i'm bison and my opponent has just knocked me down. I know he is going to go for an unsafe meaty, so i prepare to do ex psycho crusher to escape the situation. As bison rises, ALL OF A SUDDEN LAG SPIKE OUT OF NOWHERE happens, and i am left holding forward as my psycho crusher doesn't come out and my opponent gets their 25% combo on me.

There are other reasons why i prefer offline to online, but lag is the grand daddy of them all. Online SSF4 is basically a different game to me.

>>79811176
I always wonder how badly lag affects my opponent, and if I really deserved to win a match.

>>79811834
pretzel motion is just awkward as fuck, it doesn't even FEEL like a move. only stupider input I can think of is litchi's "all green" (forward, back, down, up. WHEEE.)

I was never a fan of this stuff. I've always felt like videogame controls should make it as easy as possible to perform the action you want to perform, and the skill should come down to the when/how you decide to perform those actions. not making it difficult just to get your character to do what you want them to do. yes, it's a skill, but imo a pointless one to require.

I mean imagine if an FPS had three button presses to reload. one to eject the current magazine, another to pull out the next one, and then a third to put the new one in. like if for some reason doom and quake and a couple other popular old FPS had this mechanic and so it became the standard. everyone would see it as normal and call people who wanted to reload with one button casuals.

i remember king of fighters 99 (perhaps others, it's the only KoF i have) had a control setting that bound all (or several anyway) of the special moves to the L/R 1/2 buttons (rather than doing a combo) and it was way more fun that way.

honestly i think the more important thing is the application of moves and not how hard they are to do

the only worry is that if you make things too easy to execute, they can be spammable

the counterbalance to this is to make spammable moves more punishable

i'm looking at you, jab shoryuken

>>79811951
You are alive.

>>79811914

Shermie is in the console version of KoFXIII

>>79811990
Well the nature of the mechanic implies that you'll have your stage already chosen to set your item spawns.

I do agree that execution commands are bullshit, but I don't think we should get rid of them completely. I like Brawl's directional fighting and physics. What I think would be a good idea is that you have basic attacks like P and then strong like -> + P and then smash like => + P like in Brawl. Then you should add advanced attacks or higher a higher level attack by adding one extra move making sure IT MAKES SENSE. The higher the level of the attack the more commands it requires. This creates a risk reward system that seamlessly introduces new players but allow for the same complex formulas, buffers, cancels, and other things that more advance players can enjoy.

>>79812346
i wish

she's only in kofxiii as a spectator in the background :(

don't tease my dick like that mang :(

>>79812434

I'm serious. Console version.

>>79812379
I don't quite understand what you mean by this.

I could see Shermie in XIII happening, considering how popular she is.

There are some other characters I'd rather see though, like Adelheid for instance (assuming that time-release rumor was false).

>>79812468
LIES

there is no such announcement or leak...!

There should be a balance between how complicated input mechanics should be for combos. Not too easy but complicated enough to give the sensation of "WOW that guy pulled off that amazing high damage combo how did he do that?!" and not "Oh geez he got those hits on me tme to go through the motions"

>>79812641

It's true though.

>>79812098
To go along with your analogy, your vision of a fighting game control scheme would basically have 1 button that shoots and aims for you. Sure it would put more emphasis on the mind games and less on the execution, but at a certain point, it all becomes so....automated. Like you may as well not even play because the computer can/is doing everything for you.

And fun is very subjective. I personally find doing hard/long combos enjoyable, as it shows that i have put work into an aspect of my game and that i am being rewarded. Kind of like studying for that big math test all week, and then getting an A.

>>79812562
Well, see, the purpose was to allow you to choose where your items go, whether you go to Final Destination or 75m.

1 frame links are always bullshit.

>>79812723
Exactly why I don't play Tekken.

Still no Billy? Still no buy.

I'm full of it, I'll buy it anyway

Play - Bloody Roar 3 - Fucking /v/

Smoothest controls, EASY to PLAY, but I'll still kick your ass anyday coz it's hard to master

>>79812776
Dude you just described console FPSes man.

>>79812764
nop

but i will continue to post shermie pictures

>>79812948

It's on the PS2

Also fucking play Bloody Roar Extreme on the original Xbox

>>79812873
As in both players have to decide where the item spawns!? I do not see anything ending well at all.

>>79813010

Why do you hate Shermie?

>>79812901
Hey now, tekken has hard shit too. Law's DSS combos can be pretty hard, and bryans Taunt xx JU is 1 frame in a game where plinking doesn't exist. It's just a majority of the people who play it can, and usually do opt for the easy combo at the sacrifice of damage.

>>79813020
Isn't that the game where you turn into animals? Fucking furfags...

>>79812948
I'd make a furry joke but was already beaten to the punch.

The series was never anything special, that's why no one plays it.

>>79813032
NO, no, not like that.

Each player would have a set list of items picked by oneself, and they would choose where the items would go.

It'd be before the match though, kind of like picking a Super Art in 3S, or choosing an assist type in Marvel. You get where I'm going with this?

>>79813174

I still miss BR, though.
I'm sadden that a BR5 will never happen.

>>79813093
i love shermie assface

but

you're lying and trying to get my hopes up

you are a lie-ocrat whose political stance is LYING

assface

>>79806780
meaningless skill? all the difficult inputs and links do is raise the skill ceiling / learning curve / whatever higher. Any good game will be hard to master, and if it's competitive it will always be as difficult as the person you are versing.

>>79813096

FUCK IT

Everytime I try to discuss Bloody Roar here I get that kind of shit

Thing is Bloody Roar isn't even popular between the furry community!!!

The game is awesome and it was one of the best underrated fighting games of all time. (Also Before furries were an item)

>>79812959
Ok, then 1 button to shoot/aim, 1 button to knife/grenade (depending on the distance), a movement system that automatically sprints for you if you run straight for 2 seconds, and regenerating health ON TOP OF being able to carry med packs (which would be used in the place of you dying).

>>79812776
FPS is already simple as fuck. It's just about who has the best reactions and can put the little dot on the other guy's head. Fighting games give you a few options in each situation and there's some risk/reward and strategy involved. Combos are totally pointless for gameplay. When some Ryu does max damage combo I'm just like oh boy this guy sure likes practicing combos. I don't consider him better for that than someone who lands a single hit on me but he gets shit for it because he didn't study links etc.

>>79813367

BR5 (Or Extreme 2) will never happen

But I agree, it was good

>>79813335

inb4 Shermie happens and you can't use her because you denied her

I'm still pissed that the sports team is most likely never going to make another appearance, along with my waifu may lee.

and I liked Shermie too, not because of her knockers but her gameplay. I love traditional grappling without any weird powers.

>>79812776
in a shooting game one click = one shot and you shoot fast because it lets you kill the other guy before he can kill you

in a fighting game one dragon punch is 4 seperate inputs, and quick execution is a matter of the game and not the competition.

>>79813474
if shermie happens to become playable i'll dance naked in the streets

>>79813367

Main'd Alice and Shen Long
Alice's soccer kick special was my favorite.

>>79813352
No it's just a needless barrier. All the top players have their combos etc. down. That's not what makes it fun to watch. It just lets some SRK.com faggot learn some BnB's then laugh at the "scrubs" he's beating because every time he hits he does twice as much damage.

>>79813385
Now you're just trying to hard. 3 command attacks should make sense not random pish posh. That's not skill just memorizing. It's like if you gave a bunch of 1st graders a test on quantum physics, and kept making them take the test over and over again until they all get %100. That doesn't mean they know it, they just memorized it.

>>79813457
When you say it this way I agree with you; the way combos function is fundamentally retarded.

I still think they should exist; they just need to be more generous than 1-frame bullshit.

should have put tesse in there instead

(> ·.·)> HIIIIIIIII

kirby and shermie would get along just fine

>>79813552
>May Lee
Amen.

Spics, spics everywhere.

Anyone got some Shermie-Chris /ss/?

as a hardcore fighting fan, they promote an invisible skill barrier that's meaningless.
anyone can practice for hours doing 1 frame links in sf4 or frcs in guilty gear.
its pointless because knowing when to use such inputs is more important.
no one actually cares about frame inputs in the tourney community, but we have to do them.

>>79814112

>>79813457
>Combos are totally pointless for gameplay.

Combo's are like a solid 30% of the gameplay. Think about it like this: if you had 2 buttons, both of them being the same move/properties/etc., but button 2 did 10 more points of damage, would you ever push button 1? Combo's (to some extent) add depth. If everyone could just do thee hardest, most punishing combo in the game for free, then what would be the point of practicing/playing the game?

>I don't consider him better for that than someone who lands a single hit on me but he gets shit for it because he didn't study links etc.

But they are better....better at maximizing their damage in a particular situation. They worked hard to do that cr.mp x2 to cr.rh, why do you not consider them better than someone who just did cr.rh by itself? It shows they put in time and effort to level up that aspect of their game, which in turn shows the depth of that game for allowing you to do so.

Ever wonder why Naruto Ultimate Ninja Storm is a bad fighting game? Not because it's naruto, but because that game can be solved in a night's play. Mash O to attack, mash L2 and R2 to get out of shit, occasional trianglex2 > O if you see an opening. No depth=bad fighter.

>>79813661
So in other words the players who are dedicated enough to learn all of the moves through constant practice don't deserve the advantage that their combos give them?

And before you call me some kind of pseudo tourney street fighter faggot, yes i know nearly every single combo in ssf4, you have to if you play dhalsim. Shit is about as mindgames as it gets.

raging storm isn't that bad by the way.It's way less intimidating if you think of it as db,hcb,df+punch mentally i think people get hung up on the motions.

also accidentally creating a shermie thread.

>Imokwiththis.iso

controls tier
GOD TIER
Melty Blood

GOOD TIER
Blazblue, SF4, Soul Calibur

Mediocre tier
GG, SF3

Mashan tier
Tekken

full retard tier
DOA

it's like outside of orochi business

the orochi team members had normal lives

and shermie had a pet hamster

that ate popcorn

on a piano

that's what makes them so likable imhoomhomuo

>>79814185
>he actually thinks he can fool people into believing hes a tourneyfag
Ill bite, what tourneys have you ever gone to faggot?

>>79814513
IMO, SF4's leniency made the controls extremely sloppy.

I feel like 3S had just the right balance.

>>79814238
Everyone already does the same combos over and over. I think they should be easier to do and shortened in some cases so I don't have to watch Tekken bullshit when I can't do anything.

>then what would be the point of practicing/playing the game?
Getting good at the game. Combos isn't a game.

>>79811596
hazama's astral heat from Blazblue CS

>>79814238
You're not thinking based the inputs. Yes there needs to be a risk reward system, and a metagame, but that's a given. This the problem that not many people can seem to get over. They don't see how there are many other ways to make games deeper without using long inputs. The games that use simple intuitive controls and have incredible depth are the most ingenious ones of all.

>>79813677
I don't know about you, but i KNOW my combos. I know when to use them, the range that they work, the risk/reward of using them, and most importantly, the ability to do them 100% of the time without fail. I can "feel" them. I can do a majority of them with my eyes closed. That is the dedication i put into my combo's. I would be that 1st grader who started learning his multiplication, calc, and trigonometry so that he can take that test, instead of relying on blind luck and hoping it works out.

Dont you hate it when you FADC a Mesiah kick and then realize you have ultra 2 on.

;_;

>>79814977
I hate fighting fat divekicking faggots

;_;

i want a hamster-raising sim starring shermie

why hasn't snkp done this yet

>>79814977
no because i actually pay attention to what im doing when i play

>>79815134
Does Raoh ever smile?