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    315 KBPrime Series No Longer Canon? Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)15:27 No.72936XXX  
    >http://www.gonintendo.com/viewstory.php?id=134762

    >Metroid Prime Series (in order of in-game timeline):
    >The Metroid Prime series is a separate collection of games featuring Samus Aran which has a different concept and game design to Metroid games.

    Coupled with how in Other M Samus said it's her first joint mission with the Federation since becoming a freelance bounty hunter (which completely ignores Corruption), the canonicity of the Prime games is looking a little grim...

    Not that I mind since the Prime games, canon or not, still exist on a single disc for the Wii. I still like Other M regardless of the retcon, however.

    Anyway, discuss.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)15:28 No.72936XXX
    who cares, they are still fun games
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    >>72936505
    I know, that's why I said that. It's still fun to fanwank over what's canon and what's not, though.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)15:30 No.72936XXX
    Isn't there something said about the Space Pirates in Other M that contradicts the way they act in the Prime games?
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)15:32 No.72936XXX
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    Reminds me of Snake's Revenge on the NES. A different company's take on the franchise, which takes place after the first game in the series, but later retconned out of existence by the "official" sequels. It seems now that Sakamoto wants Metroid back, not that I mind though.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)15:35 No.72937XXX
    >>72936672
    I think it says they're otherwise feral without a proper leader, which seems to contradict the first Prime. Maybe not though, someone can correct me on that.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)15:35 No.72937XXX
    >It seems now that Sakamoto wants Metroid back, not that I mind though.
    I mind. The guy's a faggot.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)15:37 No.72937XXX
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    >>72937105
    I can see why some on /v/ would think that, but I still liked Other M regardless. I hope he makes a game set after Fusion soon.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)15:39 No.72937XXX
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    >>72936672
    they're mindless chucklefucks who cant do shit without a leader in other m

    in prime they're super smart technophiles who perform random science and make crazy weapons with the grants ridley gives them, they also have thoughts and keep logs and journals.

    so basically in other m they are just the grunts while in prime they're an organized millitia with various rankings and equipment
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)15:40 No.72937XXX
    >>72936869
    >>72937105
    I am convinced Japanese developers are RAEGing because people like the Retro Studios games more, so they turn Samus into a good little submissive waifu.

    nosiridontlikeit.jpg
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)15:40 No.72937XXX
    Well, the Prime games did start adding a lot of shit to the universe without the original creators having much of a say. I might do the same with a series I created if I was restricted to what the guys who temporarily took over the reigns did. On that note, what Prime did attempt to add to the Metroid universe was interesting, however.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)15:41 No.72937XXX
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    >>72937515
    I never found Samus submissive in any of the Metroid games.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)15:42 No.72937XXX
    >>72937455
    Well, it seems pretty contradictory when you put it in that light.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)15:43 No.72937XXX
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    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)15:43 No.72937XXX
    >>72937633
    Yet most of the negative reviews for Other M have pointed out her personality seems distinctly less badass than previous games would imply. I mean Other M is post Super-Metroid... she's supposed to be badass after blowing up a planet!
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)15:46 No.72938XXX
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    >>72937823
    Well, of course negative reviews are gonna be negative. But I just didn't see Samus as anything less than badass in Other M. She even seemed a little colder than the Samus I remember in Return of Samus (my first Metroid game) when she was just about kill a baby Metroid in Sector Zero. I don't know, that's just what I think and I won't push it on /v/.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)15:48 No.72938XXX
    why are you nintendofags so obsessed with timelines in franchises. seriously the Zelda shit theories you kids comes up with are about as legitimate as trying to put the mario games in some kind of chronological order

    I understand metroid has the deepest and most developed lore of any nintendo games, but like zelda, and like mario, the games don't all have to be a part of one giant story
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)15:50 No.72938XXX
    >>72938239
    Well, that's what I was trying to point out in the opening post.
    >> shuckle !yyTdNgO0xM 09/12/10(Sun)15:51 No.72938XXX
    ALL METROID GAMES ARE CANNON

    ALL OF THEM

    pinall retells prime
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)15:51 No.72938XXX
    >>72938239
    /v/ does come up with some shit theories about Zelda (some of the worst I've read), but I've read some legitimate things Zelda theories before.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)15:52 No.72938XXX
    How about we don't care, since Other M was trash and the Prime games were good.

    This kind of behaviour is the reason I no longer buy NIntendo games.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)15:52 No.72938XXX
    >>72938491
    The latest from Nintendo suggests Prime is canon to its own separate universe, though.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)15:53 No.72938XXX
    >>72938581
    I liked both Other M and the Prime games, myself.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)15:55 No.72938XXX
    >>72938239
    There is a legitimate timeline for the Zelda games which Nintendo uses to make sure they don't fuck up the stories in the games too bad, so nuts to you.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)15:56 No.72938XXX
    Lets just consider Other M not canon and move on
    it's easier to weed out one bad game than trying to fit everything in, inconsistencies and all.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)15:56 No.72938XXX
    >>72938799
    Nintendo just hasn't revealed it like they did with Metroid to keep fans speculating and being excited for the games, I guess. Those teases...
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)15:58 No.72939XXX
    >>72938936
    Let's not. Canon is decided by the developers, not you. If Prime is not canon, so be it.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)15:59 No.72939XXX
    I was under the impression the Prime Games took place between games that were already made, like Super Metroid, and before Metroid Fusion, with that title being the latest chronologically.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)16:00 No.72939XXX
    >>72936672
    Acting or not acting, the literally look like a different species in the Prime games. They have normal hands instead of the claws, six eyes, and just generally look completely not of the species.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)16:01 No.72939XXX
    >>72939153
    Before they were retconned to their own universe, the Prime games were supposed to be between Metroid and Metroid II: Return of Samus, according to Retro.

    http://www.gamefaqs.com/gamecube/589573-metroid-prime-2-echoes/faqs/31926
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)16:01 No.72939XXX
    >>72939048
    That might mean something if Sakamoto actually created something and not just latch him name to the series
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)16:02 No.72939XXX
    >>72938936
    why is it bad?
    I'm not trolling, I just want to know since I'm on the fence for this game.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)16:02 No.72939XXX
    >>72939153
    Yeah, they were originally thought to be in between Zero Mission and Metroid 2, since the Metroids hadn't (for the most part) been exterminated yet. But, you know, now they're not cause... Read the thread.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)16:03 No.72939XXX
    >>72939324
    Sakamoto's been there since the first Metroid; deal with it. He's been promoted to higher ranks as the series continued on, just like Eiji Aonuma of Zelda.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)16:04 No.72939XXX
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    Tough bitches in vidya always get taken down a notch by video game developers.

    Vidya developers confirmed for weak faggots with small penises.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)16:05 No.72939XXX
    This sakamoto dude sounds like a real jealous cunt.

    I wouldn't mind so much, but the last 2 games he made sucked cock.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)16:05 No.72939XXX
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    Personally, I think the Prime series fit in perfectly fine with the canon time line. I don't see any flaws in the story. I enjoy Metroid because of the fact that it is one of the few Nintendo franchise to have a well established storyline that makes sense (Although I will admit it is fun to debate the Zelda time line).
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)16:05 No.72939XXX
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    So basically they retcon the series to make Samus crying like a bitch natural! Good stuff Nintendo.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)16:06 No.72939XXX
    So why exactly is everyone saying Samus is a little bitch in Other M?

    So far the only reason I've heard for it is because Samus freaks out when she sees Ridley or something.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)16:06 No.72939XXX
    I'm not shitting you guys, last night I had a dream that Sakamoto appeared on the Daily Show in a woman's dress.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)16:08 No.72939XXX
    >>72939706
    Did he look hot?
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)16:09 No.72939XXX
    >>72939657

    That's pretty much it.

    And it really does make her out to be a whiner.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)16:09 No.72939XXX
    I didn't like Other M.
    In the prime series, you could can your environment. It gave you something a little more to do, completely fill your logbook.

    And for some reason, it felt like in the Prime series it was easier to feel like you where actually on another planet.

    Meh, I have alot of complaints about Other M, but I guess I shouldn't bitch.

    So far I've only played Other M as far as getting the Super Missles. But it doesn't have the same feel that I miss from the Prime series.

    Its good in itself, I guess, but compared to the rest of the actual non hand-held console Metroid games, I'm disappointed.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)16:10 No.72939XXX
    >>72939847
    No, just creepy.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)16:10 No.72940XXX
    >>72939706
    If the Daily Show appears in your dreams, I think you have problems.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)16:10 No.72940XXX
    >>72939541

    Um, I'm pretty sure Sonia Belmont got wiped out of canon because her game was unplayable fucking garbage, not because she's a woman.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)16:10 No.72940XXX
    >>72939541
    gotta agree man. :/
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)16:11 No.72940XXX
    >>72939657
    That's pretty much it. Personally I think it's easily forgivable considering the circumstances. However the rest of /v/ considers this the total destroyer of Samus's personality and that it ruins the franchise. Please don't be like the rest of /v/, It's not that bad...
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)16:12 No.72940XXX
    >>72939948
    I find it hard to believe that one scene can completely change people's perspective of a character. Does this happen often or what?
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)16:12 No.72940XXX
    >>72940008
    I just watched caught up on the last two weeks on the website, so I guess it was just a lingering thought.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)16:13 No.72940XXX
    >>72936417

    Metroid Other M's timeline is right after Super Metroid, not after Corruption
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)16:13 No.72940XXX
    >>72939951
    Oh and I forgot to also say that I dislike the fact she has a voice.

    I mean, if your gonna give her a voice, don't make her seem like a bloody poet. Shes a bounty hunter thats supposed to kick everythings ass that gets in her way.
    Not a poet.
    >> !/ugcpgyvOM 09/12/10(Sun)16:13 No.72940XXX
    I haven't played The Other M yet, but would it be safe to assume that Samus is more alien assisted and allied in prime as opposed to being helped by humans like in the timeline ending with Fusion?
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)16:14 No.72940XXX
    >>72940136
    /v/ has a tendency to blow things out of proportion...
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)16:14 No.72940XXX
    >>72940041
    Legends was actually good, if you tried playing the fucking game. Also, there's alot of shitty Castlevania games that are canon (Simon's Quest and The Adventure).
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)16:15 No.72940XXX
    >>72940136

    Uh, yeah, every scene in which a character displays emotions is supposed to change or show more of the character, what are you talking about?

    It only takes one bad scene.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)16:15 No.72940XXX
    >>72940225
    If you look a little closer you'll see that the Prime timeline is completely seperate from the original timeline.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)16:15 No.72940XXX
    Metroid Other M should be the one that's not canon. If not just for the fact that it was a pile of shit. Also Sakamoto says the manga is canon, too bad Other M fucks up most of the stuff written in there too.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)16:18 No.72940XXX
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    >They don't just make two timelines, one called Classic and another called Prime.
    You make more money building bridges, not burning them.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)16:18 No.72940XXX
    >>72939657
    That's effectively it, and its really the only example. She's her normal badass self the rest of the game. People just use that one scene to troll.
    Example: when Samus sees space Pirates attacking her, and the military guys with guns try to run and help the weak defenseless woman, she does what weak women do and tell them to fuck off, closes the door, and blasts their heads off.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)16:19 No.72940XXX
    >>72940374
    >change or show more of the character,

    Ok, but you can't say she's consistently a scared bitch when the only boss she's afraid of is Ridley. All that scene showed was that for some reason she still has a problem with Ridley.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)16:21 No.72940XXX
    Japanese devs have no idea how to write a good female character. Interesting!
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)16:21 No.72940XXX
    >>72940657
    >She's her normal badass self the rest of the game

    She's not though, she's consistently saved by the GF and is actually portrayed as a rather naive and stupid person in Other M. I mean not putting on her Varia suit( something that is completely defensive mind you) until Adam tells her too? Come on already.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)16:21 No.72940XXX
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    ridley is one bad motherfucker.

    one thing i never understood about the timeline is ridley tho. how does he get killed in metroid, come back rebuilt as meta-ridley in metroid prime, and then somehow go back to normal in super if those are chronological order?

    ridleychat itt
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)16:22 No.72940XXX
    >>72940669 Ok, but you can't say she's consistently a scared bitch when the only boss she's afraid of is Ridley

    Yeah I can, because she's not afraid of Ridley, she stopped functioning when she saw Ridley. She did something that a male character never would have done.

    Imagine if this wasn't a sequel and was just some original game, starring a male character. Everyone, probably including you, would consider him a total pansy ass if he broke down and cried at someone who he has met several times prior.

    They changed her character, and the reason they did it probably has to do with the writer's own problems rather than Samus'. That's the problem, and it's horse shit.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)16:23 No.72940XXX
    >>72940669
    After killing him 30 fucking times. Would it make sense if Batman just broke down crying one night while he was fighting the Joker? He's only beaten the joker up a billion fucking times!
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)16:23 No.72941XXX
    >>72940864

    Cloning? I dunno. The scan in Metroid Prime didn't seem to indicate that he actually needed cybernetics, he just has them because they can.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)16:23 No.72941XXX
    >>72940864
    Maybe they took his corpse or almost corpse after samus beat him in metroid and just kept adding shit to him until nothing was left after prime 3, then just made a clone.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)16:24 No.72941XXX
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    To all the people who say, "BAWW SAMUS SHOULD NEVER SHOW EMOTION OR INTERACT WITH ANYONE! SHE IS A LONER WHO ISN'T AFRAID OF ANYTHING! THIS IS NOTHING LIKE THE OTHER GAMES!"

    Shut. The. Fuck. Up.

    Samus is human, she isn't this unemotional robot. If you didn't think Samus was affected by her troubled past, you're a moron. That fact that she manages to keep going despite hardships is what makes her strong (that, and being an overall bad-ass). This game's story is fine and helps develop Samus's character. If you don't like it, tough shit. This story is canon.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)16:24 No.72941XXX
    >>72940864
    Other M may possibly explain this: Either he was cloned all those times or managed to reproduce
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)16:25 No.72941XXX
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    >>72941080
    What story? Other M? Never heard of it! Sounds like a game that totally doesn't exist.
    >> CaptainBr !ohSEPh1v1k 09/12/10(Sun)16:26 No.72941XXX
    >>72941080

    I think the bitching was that she had killed Ridley before, yet she does nothing like this. I don't care if she shows emotion, but straight up crying because you're facing an enemy you've already killed? I still have yet to play Prime and Other M, though, so I don't have any expectations yet.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)16:26 No.72941XXX
    >>72940951
    But she didn't break down crying, She was just really shocked that's all. After that she then proceeded to kick Ridley's ass.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)16:28 No.72941XXX
    >>72940837
    >Gameplay elements=/=personality traits.
    They only didn't do that to work the item acquiring into the game, since having chozo statues on a GF space ship didn't make much sense.
    Although, if we're going this route, then we'd have to consider the fact that she leaves all her items behind in every game.

    >Constantly saved by GF
    Let's see, that happened, what? Twice? Really once, given she could have killed that middle stage of Ridley given the time, they just didn't feel like doing it. The only time she was actually "saved" was in the Ridley fight, which I think pretty much everyone agrees was a horribly stupid scene in a couple of aspects.
    Plus, Rundus had to save Samus twice. and the Baby Metroid saved her.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)16:29 No.72941XXX
    >>72941270

    I'm sorry, but crying, shutting down your weapons and armor, and only surviving because there was a man to protect you until you could regain composure is ceasing to function.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)16:30 No.72941XXX
    >>72939048
    And their canon is bullshit, so no one takes it seriously. Just because they're the devs doesn't mean people are going to listen to their bullshit.

    Prime series set a standard that anyone who wasn't a faggot liked. Fuck that, Samus is gonna start crying next time she sees Ridley, even though RIDLEY CAN'T DO SHIT TO HER and it's only been shown 40 fucking times.

    You know what happens when stupid writers write shitty fiction? It just gets ignored. No one fucking takes Alien 3 or Alien Resurrection seriously, because they suck and they're retarded, but at least Ripley is still the same character. Sort of. She doesn't see the aliens and break down with PTSD even though she was in 3 fucking movies prior, two of which where every other character relied upon her experience to deal with the aliens.

    Anyone who liked Samus for being Samus - a Ripley-like, strong female lead who got the job done, will NOT like her in Other M. She's not Samus, she's a blonde bimbo who should have her mouth sewn shut during cutscenes.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)16:30 No.72941XXX
    >>72940951
    >>72940989
    I certainly wasn't saying that the scene made sense, I was saying that you can't take one scene from a video game, and then say that "WELP, SAMUS IS A SCARED BITCH WHO'S SCARED OF EVERYTHING" when she shows absolutely no emotion against anything else. You're reading way too much in to it if you find yourself doing that.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)16:31 No.72941XXX
    >>72940864
    from what I understand, they rebuilt Ridley's remains and enhanced him with metal upgrades, this perceved till Omega Ridley, when he became Super Phazon mode, then after Phaaze got destroyed it was implied all the Phazon everywhere got removed somehow(they left a lot of stuff out regarding Phazon in Corruption), so it's possible Ridley had regenerated himself similiar to MP, then lost the Phazon, making him normal Ridley again.
    that, or Prime Games are alternate Universe and the SPace Pirates just regenerated Ridley from Zero Mission.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)16:33 No.72941XXX
    People are being too focused on that one scene, which isn't too bad. Honestly, there are a host of other problems with Samus' character in the game other than that one scene.

    "Oh noes, the BABY! I let the BABY die! The finality of it hit me and I'm all sad now, even though I gave the BABY to fucking scientists at the beginning of Super so I obviously don't give a huge fuck about the BABY in the first place but now I do, hurr. Also oooh Adam~ I wonder what he thinks of me...? I couldn't bear it if he disliked me, I wonder what Adam would do in this situation? I want to please him anyway I can so I'll do anything he says, teehee. Even if it means deactivating my Varia Suit in a FUCKING VOLCANO. But I'll do it for Adam :3"

    It's pretty obvious that Adam is just a self-insert for Sakamoto because he's in love with his own creation, and his reasoning for retconning the Prime series is because "baka gaijin" touched his precious "waifu". Even though Retro Studios can make a much better Metroid game than he ever could at the helm.

    Fuck Sakamoto. What a faggot and I hope he gets AIDS.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)16:34 No.72941XXX
    >>72940864
    Ridley holds the record for most canon video game deaths.

    That fucker gets disintegrated in the Earth's core for breakfast.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)16:34 No.72941XXX
    >>72941522
    This is the exact opposite on how to do a strong female lead. It's the worst parts of being a woman mixed together: Useless in physical altercations and helpless without help (from a man).

    Samus from previous games was nigh invincible and went on to defeat the Space Pirates by herself numerous times. Only a few times is she ever helpless, and they're for a good reason: her suit was missing. This way we have a character who's well rounded; she still has her weaknesses, but they're not bullshit daddy issues that need to be solved by a big man there to save her.

    If you want to have a strong female character who is still "weak" you don't do it like how they did in Other M, because it makes no fucking sense and it's completely unrealistic and unreasonable. No one would believe that, in the midst of a fight, a hardened veteran would suddenly drop everything just to cry. That's what a sheltered princess does.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)16:35 No.72941XXX
    >>72941793
    >Retro made better games then him
    So, what your saying is, Corruption is better then Super Metroid.
    Yup, Other M haters are clearly the TRUE metroid fans.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)16:35 No.72941XXX
    >>72940669
    and that she thought ridley was dead for good, i mean, after putting an end to the space pirates, I guess she relaxed and thought it'd be the end of it, since, who would want to clone ridley, right? ...right?
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)16:35 No.72942XXX
    It was hyped for me that Team Ninja was making this game, so I went in expecting a pretty looking Samus and nothing else. A shame when your low standards are shattered.

    Though really if all Team Ninja did was develop the gameplay and Nintendo wrote the story, then that's even sadder.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)16:36 No.72942XXX
    >>72941080
    Way to defend poor writing with your idiotic opinion.

    This isn't because Samus talked to someone, or showed emotion. This is fanfiction level writing where they tried to shoe horn in emotions that made no sense.

    After years and years of games where Samus had a very limited, or at least stoic and silent personality, suddenly she's whining and crying out of nowhere. OUT OF NOWHERE. THAT IS NOT GOOD WRITING.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)16:37 No.72942XXX
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    >>72941793
    Your post started out reasonable, but I have no words to describe the latter part.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)16:37 No.72942XXX
    >>72936672
    Zebians are immature space pirates that need some sort of leader to control them.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)16:38 No.72942XXX
    I thought Other M was her first mission or some shit, and I think Ridley killed her whole planet when she was a kid. I could understand being scared sense it's her first mission (and not yet a total badass) and the person who basically murdered your childhood, is a 14 foot plasma breathing dragon monster.

    But then again I havn't played Other M. (Which is a dumb name)
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)16:38 No.72942XXX
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    It's kind of funny how one game can ruin a franchise, actually scratch that, one cutscene. If this cutscene wasn't in it the game would probably be regarded as a 3D Fusion, people would like it, but it would be considered a bit of a dark horse. This one scene has alienated the western fanbase and from the looks it didn't win over the east either.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)16:38 No.72942XXX
    >>72941080
    >If you don't like it, tough shit. This story is canon.

    It will be ignored by the majority of the fans, left to gather dust. Let's have Batman cry and sob for 5 minutes about his dead parents in the next big batman game, that'll be a great way to flesh out his character! After 30 fucking years of him being exactly the same with no indication that such a thing would ever happen.

    Read a fuckin book
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)16:39 No.72942XXX
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    >>72941946
    He didn't make Super Metroid.

    >>72942184
    Second last game in the timeline actually, she's killed Ridley half a dozen times already.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)16:40 No.72942XXX
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    >>72940431
    >Manga was ever cannon
    >Samus got Varia suit from Chozo bro giving it to her because she's too much of a pussy to do shit herself, instead of fining it like in the actual game
    >kills Ridley by Freezing + Missile, instead of the way it actually works in the game
    >Metroids in Mother Brain are in the SAME ROOM

    The manga was never cannon, get over it you whores.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)16:40 No.72942XXX
    >>72936869
    This would be like if Snake's Revenge was a full trilogy for an entire console generation and then swept under the rug because Kojima was mad that it appealed to everyone a lot more than his own shit.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)16:41 No.72942XXX
    >>72942320
    Sakamoto says its canon, and then proceeded to fuck it up with Other M. I'm glad that you agree he's a retard.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)16:41 No.72942XXX
    >>72942277
    >He didn't make Super Metroid.

    He was director for Super Metroid.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)16:42 No.72942XXX
    >>72942184
    Other M is an anagram for Mother
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)16:42 No.72942XXX
    >>72942194
    Batman especially is a very bad example, he gets into fits for the last 60 years.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)16:43 No.72942XXX
    >>72942407
    Devs aren't gods; they're normal people who are subject to the flaws of being a human. ie being a fucking moron and not knowing how to write.

    Shit like this is exactly why you're a giant fucking idiot if you just go "OH DERP DERP DERP THEY SAY IT'S CANON AND THIS ISN'T CANON"
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)16:43 No.72942XXX
    >>72942407
    I can get the Zero Mission part possibly being questioned, but there wasn't anything the Other M did that messed up the canon.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)16:43 No.72942XXX
    >>72942442
    He was a director for the Prime games too, he doesn't get any credit for actually making them though.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)16:44 No.72942XXX
    >>72942570
    >Character is shown to be a certain way for years and years

    >Character then proceeds to act completely different for poorly explained reasons

    Canon!
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)16:45 No.72942XXX
    >>72942570
    Well because of Sakamoto Metroid Fusion makes absolutely no fucking sense now.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)16:45 No.72942XXX
    >>72942277
    Oh, well then that's just fucking stupid, what are we to believe the suit just makes her look badass, when in reality her helmet is filled to the brim with tears?

    Japanese confirmed for non-manliest nation. Next they'll be making a prequel just so they can have loli Samus.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)16:45 No.72942XXX
    >>72942573
    No he wasn't, but you can keep making up stuff if you want.

    http://www.mobygames.com/game/gamecube/metroid-prime/credits
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)16:46 No.72942XXX
    You guys are making /v/ look worse than usual. That chart clearly shows that the Prime series takes place between Zero Mission and Metroid II. There's a box that says Prime on the main timeline.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)16:46 No.72942XXX
    You guys are fuc- THE BABY THE BABY THE BABY THE BABY THE BABY THE BABY THE BABY THE BABY THE BABY THE BABY THE BABY THE BABY THE BABY THE BABY THE BABY THE BABY THE BABY THE BABY THE BABY THE BABY THE BABY THE BABY THE BABY THE BABY THE BABY THE BABY THE BABY THE BABY THE BABY THE BABY THE BABY THE BABY THE BABY THE BABY THE BABY THE BABY THE BABY THE BABY THE BABY
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)16:46 No.72942XXX
    >>72942457
    So what, the just didn't want to sound like Coraline?
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)16:47 No.72942XXX
    >>72942727
    http://metroid.wikia.com/wiki/Yoshio_Sakamoto

    >Following the original Metroid, Sakamoto has directed all Metroid games produced internally by Nintendo except Metroid II: Return of Samus. These are Super Metroid (1994), Metroid Fusion (2002), and Metroid: Zero Mission (2004). He also supervised the production of Retro Studios's Metroid Prime (2002) and Metroid Prime 2: Echoes (2004), although he has often stated he did not have an in-depth role in the Prime game's production.[citation needed] He was also editorial supervisor/general editor for Metroid (2002 manga).
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)16:49 No.72942XXX
    >>72942878
    >supervised

    He supervised, he didn't direct. He even says himself that he didn't have much input on any of the Prime games.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)16:50 No.72943XXX
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    >>72942457
    >Other M is an anagram for Mother
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)16:51 No.72943XXX
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    >>72942998
    You're still giving him credit for something he didn't do. Did you forget this guy existed or something?
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)16:51 No.72943XXX
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    >>72940359

    Believe it or not, I wouldn't say a game was bad if I hadn't played it, but I understand the assumption.

    Having played every single Castlevania game within the last 6 months or so, I think I've earned the right to an opinion, and it's that Castlevania Legends is an embarrassment to the franchise and the worst game in the series.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)16:53 No.72943XXX
    >>72943165
    No, but I did remember that Makoto Kano came up with the concept for the original Metroid so you can stop riding Gunpei's decayed dick.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)16:54 No.72943XXX
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    Rule of thumb: When two games (or two parts of a game franchise) conflict with one another in terms of continuity, always assume the better game is the true canon.

    For instance, most Sonic fans consider Blaze to still be from a parallel dimension rather than the future, because the games that use the future story are steaming piles of shit in comparison to the Rush games.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)16:56 No.72943XXX
    Fuck Sakomoto. I don't care if he is one of the big cheeses in franchise, he just comes off as hating the Prime series in general and wants to wipe it out of canon simply because of that. A western developed makes the best Metroid game in 10 plus years and he mad.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)16:57 No.72943XXX
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    So... Is there anybody out there that likes Other M?
    >> WitnessX !!X6cD0l+ZuTf 09/12/10(Sun)16:57 No.72943XXX
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    >>72936417
    >Coupled with how in Other M Samus said it's her first joint mission with the Federation since becoming a freelance bounty hunter
    >Federation

    So Samus is going to work with Captain Picard?
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)16:59 No.72943XXX
    >>72943566
    If you're not a Metroid fan then it's actually not a bad game. If you are a Metroid fan then it's pretty fucking shitty.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)16:59 No.72943XXX
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    >everyone impying that samus having no character development or personal background is better.
    >mfw i think samus running around an blowing shit up for no reason is more retarded
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)17:01 No.72943XXX
    >>72943566
    Not anybody worth a damn, no.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)17:01 No.72943XXX
    I HAVE A GOOD IDEA

    LETS TAKE DOOM GUY AND PUT MANY MANY STUPID AND NONSENSE BACKSTORY SO THAT HE CRIES LIKE A BITCH AND GETS EMOTIONAL WHEN HE SEES ANOTHER CYBERDEMON AGAIN. OH YEAH, DOOM GUY CAN ONLY USE WEAPONS WHEN HE IS AUTHORIZED.
    NOT ONLY THAT, BUT TO OPERATE THE MISSILE LAUNCHER, YOU MUST STAND STILL. ALSO, LETS CHANGE HOW THE GAME PLAYS AND MAKE A VERY FUCKING GENERIC GAME THAT CAN'T EVEN COMPARE TO THE OTHERS IN THE FRANCHISE.
    WAIT, REGEN HEALTH IS A MUST TOO!
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)17:01 No.72943XXX
    >>72943603
    HOLY SHIT, THIS THREAD IS NOW ABOUT STAR TREK: ARMADA
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)17:02 No.72943XXX
    >>72943758
    Everyone had the same opinion on what her character was like, then Other M comes along and changes all of it. She certainly did have a character before this game.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)17:02 No.72943XXX
    >>72940225
    OP here.

    I wasn't debating that.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)17:02 No.72943XXX
    >>72941574
    I have always thought that samus would be like Ripley personality wise. A tough strong woman, who while sometimes shitting herself with fear still manages to take action. I havent played other m yet but just watched some of the dreaded cutscene, and agree that she acts like a whiny little bitch.

    Also while on the topic, did anyone else get strong Alien vibes from Fusion? i felt the whole x infecting and taking over things were similar to alien, along with samus being infected and having her armor surgically removed. Also multiple SA-X's were there, along with the whole government trying to capture them and put them to use.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)17:03 No.72943XXX
    I don't see why anyone is surprised. This is just like Star Wars all over again.

    The original creator makes something, and everyone loves it (original trilogy/original 2D games). Then, other people start adding stuff to the universe, creating their own stories, etc, and again, everyone likes it (Star Wars EU/Prime series). The original creator, presumably upset that they didn't get a say in any of it, declares anything they didn't personally do non-canon, then takes a huge shit on the franchise by making new stuff that sucks (new trilogy/Other M).
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)17:03 No.72943XXX
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    >>72943758
    >i think samus running around an blowing shit up for no reason is more retarded

    SHE'S A BOUNTY HUNTER, HER REASON IS GETTING PAID

    Of course, Sakamoto fucked that up with his faggotry too because he doesn't even know what a bounty hunter is.

    >"We were looking for something more along the lines of a mission-based game where Samus collected bounties. And for the life of us we couldn't understand why [Nintendo was] being so resistive to that concept. And then over the period of days we came to understand that their definition of a bounty hunter is not a bounty hunter. It is not someone who brings in bad guys for money. That concept was completely outside of their definition," says Walker.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)17:04 No.72944XXX
    >>72943566

    Everyone does, it's just that they hate how they went with Samus' characterization.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)17:05 No.72944XXX
    >>72940989
    This post is hilarious because Batman has emotionally broken from the Joker before. And about his parents.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)17:05 No.72944XXX
    >>72944085
    >Everyone does

    HAHA, no. It's not a Metroid game, it's an action game with Samus in it. That's why I said here>>72943699 that if you're not a Metroid fan you might like it.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)17:07 No.72944XXX
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    >>72943982
    >We were looking for something more along the lines of a mission-based game where Samus collected bounties.

    Damn it, I want to play THAT.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)17:07 No.72944XXX
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    >We like to make sequels to prequels which all of us thought used to be sequels to the prequels of the sequels of the prequels.

    That's what Nintendo is.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)17:08 No.72944XXX
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    >>72943358
    One thing that surprises me is how people don't say anything about Ridley's retarded evolutionary cycle.

    I suppose it is so retarded and out of place that people simply laughed it off and moved on.

    Pic related: Ridley.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)17:08 No.72944XXX
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    >bounty hunter
    >not someone who brings in bad guys for money.

    Wait... wait... wait... WHAT?!


    bounty hunter

    –noun
    1.
    a person who hunts outlaws or wild animals for the bounty offered for capturing or killing them.
    2.
    a person who seeks a reward for recovering valuable property.

    Sakamoto confirmed for dumb-ass tier.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)17:08 No.72944XXX
    >>72943874

    Samus Aran waited. The lights above her blinked and sparked out of the air. There were space pirates in the base. She didn’t see them, but had expected them now for years. Her warnings to Adam Malkovich were not listenend to and now it was too late. Far too late for now, anyway.
    Samus was a bounty hunter for fourteen years. When she was young she watched the spaceships and she said to Old Bird “I want to be on the ships daddy.”
    Old Bird said “No! You will BE KILL BY SPACE PIRATES”
    There was a time when she believed him. Then as she got oldered she stopped. But now in the space station base of the Bottle Ship she knew there were space pirates.
    “This is Adam” the radio crackered. “You must fight the space pirates!”
    So Samus gotted her palsma beam authorized and blew up the wall.
    “SHE GOING TO KILL US” said the space pirates
    “I will shoot at him” said Ridley and he fired the fireballs. Samus plasmaed at him and tried to blew him up. But then the ceiling fell and they were trapped and not able to kill.
    “No! I must kill the space pirates” she shouted
    The radio said “No, Samus. You are the space pirates”
    And then Samus was a pussy.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)17:08 No.72944XXX
    >>72943982
    qq more about other m when the fact remains its a great game. personally its one of the best metroids ive played. i played the metroid prime trilogy and shit got stupid around 3 i liked one an two. i like other m because it goes back to the root of metroid and its also a direct sequel to super metroid which i love. also people need to stop bitchin about the adam bs, they needed a way to do the upgrades and they found a way that worked which was since shes invading in a galactic federation case that the superior officer is limiting use on things until otherwise. stop bitchin.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)17:09 No.72944XXX
    >>72944331
    because it's actually kind of funny, and there are a lot more important things that are wrong with the game.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)17:09 No.72944XXX
    >>72944314
    That's definitely not from AVGN, nope.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)17:11 No.72944XXX
    >>72944410
    I thought Summer was over?
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)17:12 No.72944XXX
    >>72944410
    >other m because it goes back to the root of metroid

    This game is nothing like previous Metroids, I have no idea why people keep saying this.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)17:14 No.72944XXX
    >>72944605
    Not in Latin America. Summer is just starting over here.

    That's right it's always summer in /v/.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)17:14 No.72944XXX
    >>72942194
    >didn't play Arkham Asylum

    Faggot, it had multiple parts about Batman being wrecked over the loss of his parents.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)17:15 No.72944XXX
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    >>72939048

    Hey, remember when Sega tried to decide what they wanted to be canon and non-canon and only pandered in the form of bringing back shitty characters?

    Yeah, that didn't go so well.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)17:17 No.72945XXX
    You know what's funny, before this game came out I was one of those people who looked forward to playing the game even though I had heard people complain about it. I was eager to play the game, got it the day it came out.
    I had VERY high hopes going into playing the game, and Other M just shat all over those hopes. I played pretty much up to a little after the first appearance of baby Ridley. After a few hours of it I just did not have the motivation to play anymore. I haven't touched the game since that day just because I don't see the game as fun.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)17:17 No.72945XXX
    >>72942788
    Buddy, there's such things as retconning. Goddamn, read the thread.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)17:17 No.72945XXX
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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsJx7ltK-RM

    I can't wait to play this.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)17:17 No.72945XXX
    >>72944854

    Yeah, he moped, but he didn't freeze up because "WAAAH, JOE CHILL".

    Also, Batman had done that before in old comics, it was not a new facet to his character, and it was a new interpretation of his character, not a ret-con of his previously established personality in a certain continuity.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)17:17 No.72945XXX
    The timeline has always been
    Metroid/Metroid: Zero Mission
    Metroid Prime
    Metroid Prime Hunters
    Metroid Prime 2: Echoes
    Metroid Prime 3: Corruption
    Metroid II: Return of Samus
    Super Metroid
    Metroid: Other M
    Metroid Fusion
    They're all canon. Fucking deal with it.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)17:18 No.72945XXX
    >>72944854
    Batman was on some powerful drugs. Samus was just being a typical emotional bitch.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)17:18 No.72945XXX
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    >>72943566
    I like it slightly more than the first Prime. It's my fourth favorite Metroid.

    So yeah, I thought it was pretty good.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)17:18 No.72945XXX
    >>72944854

    Like in the Scarecrow section where he didn't bat an eye at the sight of his dead parents and proceeded to kick a bunch of henchmen's asses with no issues? Even when under the effects of a nightmare drug dose high enough to make 15 men crazy?
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)17:19 No.72945XXX
    >>72944410
    This must be the most retarded post I encountered today. What the fuck, man.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)17:19 No.72945XXX
    >>72943982
    Jap devs are incredibly stupid at times. This is why we have to have the W/J RPG split - their definition of RPG is not the fucking definition of RPG.

    So who knows what the fuck they think a bounty hunter is
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)17:20 No.72945XXX
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    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)17:21 No.72945XXX
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    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)17:21 No.72945XXX
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    >>72944697
    >Mother Brain
    >Old Metroid Evolutions
    >Classic enemies
    >PHANTOON
    >Sakamoto's influence
    >More 2-D segments than Prime
    >Bridges the gap between Super and Fusion, two classic games (I wouldn't consider Fusion "classic" per se, more like traditional)

    These elements are why people consider Other M being tied closer to Metroid's roots.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)17:22 No.72945XXX
    >>72944362
    >>72943982

    >doesn't say Sakamoto had anything to do with Samus's being a pro-bono bounty hunter

    Holy fuck, you guys need to learn to read. This concept existed in Japan since Yokoi's days.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)17:23 No.72945XXX
    >>72945240
    You do know NIntendo had no idea what a "Cowboy" was. So when they decided Link was a "cowboy" in Twilight Princess that translated as putting goats in a barn.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)17:24 No.72945XXX
    >>72943982
    >Samus is a Bounty Hunter
    >Sakamoto's definition of Bounty Hunter isn't correct
    Dammit, then what does Sakamoto THINK she is?
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)17:24 No.72945XXX
    >>72944410
    You talk like you're the original author of >>72944379

    Why do you think people here would take your poorly written post seriously when you sound like a fucking moron?
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)17:24 No.72945XXX
    >>72945240

    A really cool name.

    The funny part is that Captain Falcon and Wolf from Star Fox are REAL bounty hunters from Nintendo games. Sakurai acknowledges that Samus has the same job in both Melee and Brawl, both of which feature missions where she's competing for a bounty.

    It's just Sakamoto and his want for Samus to be his pure waifu.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)17:25 No.72945XXX
    >>72945372
    >Samus.

    >6 meters.

    WHAT THE FUCK?!
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)17:25 No.72945XXX
    >>72945554
    >It's just Sakamoto and his want for Samus to be his pure waifu.

    This is the only sensible reason as to why he would change her the way he has. It's retarded and childish, but what can you expect from Japan?
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)17:26 No.72945XXX
    >>72945538

    Except that's a rancher.

    At least that's closer to cowboy than "Freelance Space Marine" is to bounty hunter.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)17:27 No.72945XXX
    >>72945097
    >didn't read the link in the OP
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)17:28 No.72945XXX
    >>72945606

    She's pretty tall, about 6 feet without armor. Mind, this is from the old games, where her armor was considered less snug.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)17:30 No.72946XXX
    >>72945828
    6 meters is almost 20 feet tall.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)17:31 No.72946XXX
    If they wanted to make Samus "deep", they should have done a suffering in silence type of thing.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)17:31 No.72946XXX
    >>72945828
    >6 meters
    >1 meter is about 3.2 feet
    >19.2 feet
    If that thing's accurate then she must be riding some kind of mech or something.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)17:32 No.72946XXX
    >>72946116

    Like I said, old-school power-suit, man.
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)17:33 No.72946XXX
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    >>72946009
    >mfw Samus is 20 feet tall

    Dear god, is there anything in the Metroid series that stays consistent?!
    >> Anonymous 09/12/10(Sun)17:34 No.72946XXX
    >>72946108
    Removing 90% of Samus's Soliloquy's would've made the story a lot more bearable. It may be her thoughts so she's technically not saying them, but just hearing her voice so much is weird for someone who's supposed to be a silent protagonist.



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