BRING BACK HEALTH BARS!

halo reach has health bars, so according to you halo is not for casuals

>LOL I GOT SHOT IN THE CHEST, IF I GET SHOT IN THE CHEST EXACTLY ONE AND A HALF MORE TIMES I'LL DIE. ALRIGHT, I STEPPED ON THAT HAMBONE LOL.

Ok, but it's going to be $15 DLC for every FPS game.

I see my health bar just fine in Call of Pripyat.

Regenerating health is killing the fun in all games.

>>62794733

But Resident Evil 4 and 5 have Healt bars and they are not that olf, also, nice doubles

>>62796135

Hahahaha

>>62794733
signed.

too bad the industry is too casual.
17 year old faggots want instant gratification

Shooters are just as easy with health bars, as without.

Personally I like not having a health bar on screen. Makes thing more enjoyable visually.

>>62795983

Enegry shield is fucking different.

Regenerating health allows individual skirmishes to be far more deadly without worrying about health kit hunting interrupting pacing.

>>62797165
No.

>>62797165
wrong

BFBC2 doesn't have a health bar, but it doesn't have regenerating health either....
FUCKDIVIDINGBYZERO!!1111

>>62797250
>>62797334
Cool counter arguments.

The only upside for regenerating health is that they can actually have the enemies be accurate without totally raping you every five steps. I remember beating Turok 2 on the N64. That game had health packs and if you got hit too much in an area you were screwed because once you ran out of the very limited numbers of health packs you were done. And those levels were enormous.

So in a single player game I'm all for the regenerating health/shield. Multiplayer should always have health packs.

>>62797336
it does have regenerating health, it just isn't that fast

>>62797024
It has both you idiot...

Not to mention it's energy, not enegry. I can tell by your horrible grammar/spelling that you, are in fact the underage 16 year old here.

i agree OP
i wish health bars + med packs would make a comeback
i hate this halo2 shit, with the oh no, i stand still and my health will recharge..

fuck that, thats not realistic.

most ps3 fps, still run on medpacks
like mag, you gotta inject yourself to heal.
killzone 2 aswell.

I like what they do with Ikaruga. They need to make a FPS where you are invulnerable to half the bullets, and constantly switch. One hit and you are dead.

>>62797336
>but it doesn't have regenerating health either....

Yes it does.

After 6 seconds of not being hit, the player regens 3 (I think) HP per second.

Health bars ahve always been fundamentally flawed.

The only FPS game that got it right was Halo 1's immaculate system for a variety of reasons

>>62795983
Halo was awesome, way better than any other fucking console FPS and is definitely better than most of those casual shit CoD games.
>>62796078
FUCK YOU BOBBY!
at least you have to find the Ham to get healed, which you know requires you to get out from behind that lil wall ur crouching behind and risk getting shot, which you probably will.
>>62796135

>>62795983
Halo Reach will also inarguably be the best shooter on next-gen consoles. enjoy your shit taste

>>62797758

wow, thats actually an interesting mechanic. that would provide alot of interesting game sequences.

too bad everyone is a giant faggot

Yeah i kinda agree with ya. I played MOH Front Line for the first time in ages and it felt so much better than any modern day FPS.

Health bars, timers, lives, and continues have no point outside of a pay-per-play arcade environment. Games today take the same mindset that America teaches children in elementary school nowadays: everybody wins.

They keep taking away the lose conditions and make it so as long as you keep trying, you win. Get shot too much? Sit down, you'll be fine in a minute. Heaven forbid you die? S'cool, the autosave was a few minutes ago. Die a hundred times? No biggie, we don't keep score anymore anyway. As long as you finish the game, good job!

I prefer the BF:BC2 health system better, you cant tell how much you have have, but your friends can.

>>62798400
My degree in playing video games feels worthless if anyone can do it.

>>62798617
That makes sense, because you shouldn't be able to look at yourself.

>>62797701
>>complaint about realism
>Apparently, using a health pack after getting shot multiple times in the face to recover to a fully healthy condition is realistic

Entire thread is awful

>>62797835

CoD4 is brilliant for eSports dude... of course it's full of casuals on console and even on the PC, but just take a look at the 3000 teams on the clanbase ladder.

>>62798400
you speak the truth and I hate you for that

remember having to use actual strategy and cover so you wouldn't get injured, because it was hard to recover your health?

>>62798400
Well, there has always been quick save.

>>62798891
A game is pointless to me if you cannot lose.

>>62797758
That is the stupidest fucking idea ever, leave it to fucking jap weaboos to fuck shit up. There shouldn't be regenerating health, you either have to pick up health (quake) or deal with not having a lot of health (counter-strike).

>>62796350
Resident Evil 5 is an FPS?
>>62796985
hhmm i think being able to be shot a million times and not die is classified as ezmode
>>62797165
The fun part is being able to have all ur cool skirmishes in a race for the health/armor all Quake/UT style
>>62797024
At least it's much ezer to explain," o what my energy shield went down? lets just wait for it to recharge."
"O shit i got shot in the chest, time to sit back for a bit and wait for the bleeding to stop and the wound to heal up in 5 seconds" i don't think every FPS character is Wolverine.

>>62798993
>>62798617
This is also a dumb fucking idea. I can't tell how I feel even though I'm the one that got shot, genius, just fucking genius.

>DAMN I NEED SOME HP I BETTER FIND A MAGIC BOX TO FIX ME UP.

Shooters without HP bars or heals are superior.

>>62799843
Please, get off the internet until you're 18.

>>62799535
this 100%.

genius idea
no sarcasm
you win the internet
become game dev I will buy all your games.

>>62800152
Regenerating health doesn't make sense either. I like counter-strike's health system; you can't get health back but you aren't at a severe disadvantage if you have low health, you can still fuck shit up with low hp.

>>62800152
>REALISM
>would take realism over fun
>doesn't realize wounds healing in five seconds is just as unrealistic

>>62800316
thanks bro

I figure FPS games are going down the same track Adventure games did way back then. But instead of completely unfair challenges it's more of the lack of any challenge at all. I once thought TF2 could have been the Monkey Island of this analogy, but then hats came along

>>62800152
>DAMN I NEED SOME HEALTH, BETTER JUST SIT HERE FOR FIVE SECONDS AS MY WOUNDS DISSOLVE INTO NOTHING

Seriously, you're not even trying

>Regenerating health is killing the difficulty and fun in all games.

This, doesn't matter if the enemy can kill you in a few hits even while at max HP.
It's just pot shot, cover, heal, repeat.
Boring.

At least with health it creates a very tense moments and forces players to think how to fight and dodge outside cover systems shit which sadly so many shitty console players depend on

>>62794733
>FPS
>Boss

>>62800567
>>62800419
>>62800379

>implying I'm not talking about games that have realistic injuries that impede movement, aim, etc

Health bars help stop camping. They also bring about the Medic class which makes team play more than just some guys won't shoot you

>>62800787

They're still using the same fucking strategy of finding cover and killing enemies, so there's really no difference with using a health bar or regenerating health.

>>62798400
Ill agree with all of that except the health bars, and MAYBE the lives.
Lives are kinda cool cuz they're like a limit on how many times you can respawn before having to restart the whole stage, but then again restarting the whole stage can be a pain in the ass.

Health bars require you to be good at the game to proceed.

>>62801628
>Health bars help stop camping.

Camping was nearly nonexistent in FPS before regenerating health.

That OP, is why source engine games are the best.

I seriously can't remember the last time I played a game WITH regenerating health.

>>62801725
no there not.
Finding cover and being fully healed and then moving on and then having to take cover again because you got shot and have to regenerate more health again and then repeat, is not the same as having a health bar. with a health bar you will eventually die with that strategy

Looking back to my Battlefield 2 days, I remember being base raped by two guys with nade spam and one atv. I don't think I could ever get out of that if my efforts weren't at least weakening those guys a little

>>62801825
And you must have been nonexistent twelve years ago.

>>62801869
Portal has regenerating health but in the context of the game its fine.

Regenerating health are shit in general

>>62801825
Have you ever played counterstrike at all?

Because despite what you fat autistic faggots think, it is NOT fun to go searching around the level for healthkits.
HUURRR DUUURR I JUST GOT SHOT, ILL JUST TAKE A SWIG OF THIS CANTEEN FULL OF WATER, I FEEL MUCH BETTER NOW!!!!
It's NOT fun to be put in a situation in which a single blow will kill you as you enter a room full of baddies, without a healthkit.

At least regenerating health helps keep the pace set during shootouts.

Bioshock 2 had it, and it was still fucking glorious.

health bars? I seem to remember games representing health numerically. They didn't pussy out and use bars or pie charts.

While we are on that topic, what ever happened to armor?

IM glad fallout 3 had a health bar.. so glad

>>62801825
You are a fucking idiot.

Yes non regenerating health is superior. (atleast how it is for 100% of all games)

why?

Because games that have health regen cater to casual faggots, and the health regeneration is fucking absurd

Is health regeneration bad? no.. it just has to be very.. very slow, not LOL I HIDE 5 SECONDS, TIME TO GO BACK AND FIGHT

>>62801825

That's just retarded. Most campers camp because there is a healing/supply source nearby so they don't die.

Think BF. Think TF2.

>>62803229

Are you 15?

I agree 100% with OP. Health Regeneration is for faggots with no skill.

what's up guys?

- It makes the games more casual
- It removes challenge from the game
- With a healthbar you had limited health. Without you have unlimited health.
- It makes the games easier
- It allows develops to be lazy to make different difficulty levels. Just increase the time before health regen etc.. Remember when increasing the difficulty would increase the amount of enemies?

get the fuck out gramps
health bars suck dick
regenerating shields is where it at now

>>62801825
WUT?
>>62803229
cuz killing not threatening cardboard cutouts is funner than having to find shit

GoldenEye had it right, everytime you got shot it would appear then disappear.

>>62804185
no, but you clearly must be seeing as how you didn't even bring up an argument to counter

>>62804358

Sorry Medic, but you have no place in the new casual market

>>62804512
>cuz killing not threatening cardboard cutouts is funner than having to find shit

fucking idiot.....

/v/ complains that a HUD is unrealistic, unnessecary and hinders immersion.

Developers remove the HUD yet add indications of damage with an invisible health bar.

/v/ complains that it's unrealistic, difficult, unnessecary, unoriginal, etc

Developers retain the previous approach but introduce regenerating constitution.

Guess what? /v/ complains.

Developers no longer care and now cater to a user base that was grown on games with similar mechanics.

>>62804486
Shields != Healthbars

regenerating health=faster game play
deal with it nerds

Now THIS is what a real man's HUD looks like.

>>62797165
I've always been a fan of health bars, but this dude is right.

Can't be said for multiplayer, though. The intensity of fights in UT vs Halo/MW2 faggotry is an absolute no-contest. Health bars and stage-placed medikits add a degree of difficulty (and strategy) to FPS multiplayer that the genre is currently lacking.

The new Transformers demo made me so fucking happy because it utilizes health packs. I swear none of the underageb& playing that game knew what they were.

Then again, it's being produced by Galactivision.

mixedfeelings.jpg

The key here is to walk a fine line between regeneration and required healing.
Halo 1 managed that, with regenerating shield (logical and okay) and non-regenerating actual health (also logical). It's also one of the few things Section 8 does well, too; shields and non-self-regeneratable health.
FEAR 1 did it slightly, healing slowly if you were below 30hp just by idling, on easy mode.

If you claim having to look for a medkit would break the flow of a fight, you're a fucking casual. Real players fight on with 30% health, and worry about healing later.

You must be fucking kidding me, OP.


Health bars made shit EASIER. With regenerating health, all encounters are balanced vs you with full health. Every single fight is harder, you're just retarded.

Also, stop playing on Normal, faggot.

>>62801628

Never played Counter-Strike?

Why not a regenerating shield ala Halo, but with static health bars that you can't regenerate?

Who the hell says 'baddies' today? What the fuck is up with that.

>>62801628
if you want to play different classes go play a fucking rpg or a mmorpg

>>62797527
I'm not crazy MAD about this and I understand the argument that regenerating health prevents players from getting stuck in a hopeless situation but
>have the enemies be accurate without totally raping you
makes the action extremely polar: if you're out of cover you WILL get hit but if you're behind cover you CAN'T be hit so it just leads to more chest-high-wall cover system gameplay as opposed to the classic run-n-gun, duck-n-weave type.

I remember health bars in FPS games, goldeneye had them, perfect dark had them. Multiplayer FPS still have health bars, but for games that have a good single player mode such as the Call of Duty series, especially Call of Duty 2, I think that is unneeded. As long you face a decent difficulty I'm OK with it.

Health bars are still there, they are just not as used as much as in the past anymore.

>>62806083

Classes are superior to any loadout based system, or picking up weapons. They're also more realistic.

Oh don't mind me, just having the perfect Health System in any game ever.

>>62805488
they didn't make shit easier, they made shit harder. its called be a badass and not get shot? or be a badass and get shot and be able to maintain a good fight while searching for health at the same time.
or you just get done with a fight and shazam GARY MOTHERFUCKING OAK comes out of no were and shoots your 2 health left having ass.

>>62806858
>being a badass
>searching for health

There's nothing badass about going around the level while being shot at, looking for a healthkit.

Now getting shot, taking cover, then getting back up to lay down the pain. That's badass

Black was a great game and had health bars and packs.

man, good times with this game.

>>62806668
Class based FPS games are sorta ok since I like TF2,
but mostly they are pretty damn gay and unbalanced, and require team play, and team play is pretty gay unless you're playing with a clan or friends.
>>62801628
WTF PEOPLE! HEALTH BARS DO NOT STOP CAMPING!

This will change if Valve decides to release episode 3.

kill person, 5 health left, noob runs up and shoots you
get trash talked for sucking
but no, i want health bars back, buuuut what about doom, your health isnt technically a health bar... but it's better than regenerating

>>62807398
Making laps around a stage and knowing were everything is and then being able to actually get to it while all hell rains down upon you while you shoot back and kill shit is totally cooler. than crouching behind a block and popping back up with full heath and repeat

crackdown
healthbars+regeneration
enemies almost everywhere stop regeneration...
wut now

>>62808661
health displayed as fractions are still health bars.
but yeah when that noob pops out of nowhere and kills you and then proceeds to trash talk cuz he is so very skilled is very fucking annoying.

>>62808980
It's not a Running game, bro.

I think something like the original Mass Effect had the right idea. Although the combat system wasn't the best in execution, the health system was built on a great idea. Regenerative shields, health packs (medigel), but no instant regenerative health. Sure, it had regenerative health, but it was an armor mod or a class ability, and it only regen'd a little bit at a time, so you still couldn't just rely on hiding in the corner for 5-10 seconds and then come charging back like Rambo.

I always knew that Half-Life was for badasses then.

Ummmm... actually I do remember, but not health bars.

There were health percentages, and games with different hit zones had a map of those zones that would turn from green/blue to red, but not really bars.

But your point stands. Regenerating health = ez-mode

I didn't see anything wrong with the way regenerating health worked in halo 1, have a shield that regenerates, and then normal health, although the shield should have been much weaker.

>>62804444
>Remember when increasing the difficulty would increase the amount of enemies?
I do and by God was it glorious! I'm all for smarter and more challenging enemies but sometimes you just want to rip as much shit up as possible and cause MAXIMUM MAYHEM. Lack of processing power isn't an excuse anymore not to bring back the hordes of enemies either.

>>62809933
Now it's more of a visual problem, too many enemies = too many polygons = low FPS.

>>62804444

>Remember when increasing the difficulty would increase the amount of enemies?

>play Hard in Half-Life
>Test chamber goes batshit crazy
>Vortigaunt spawns in the room
>I don't have any weapons yet
>Jesus fucking Christ

>>62809546
last time I checked you have to RUN towards people to kill them(depending on the gun) or RUN away to live, or RUN to pick up weapons, or RUN to pick up health or to hide so you can regenerate your health.

Well I guess you could walk but that's too slow and you would probably die... O NO WAIT TRY DOING ALL THAT WHILE PRONE! THAT WILL DEFIANTLY WORK!

>people mixing elements of different fps games

Psst, games like modern warfare would be impossible with non regening health. All the enemies in those games use hitscan weapons. You are guaranteed to get hit in some instances.

In games that don't use heath regen enemies are either melee based or projectile based. And generally the only enemies who use hitscan weapons are the weakest ones.

>>62809933
>Doom on Nightmare
>Monster closets repopulate map when you have to backtrack for keys, etc
>Monsters also respawn 8 seconds after you kill them

HOLY SHIT

>>62811608
and I still haven't beat Doom on Nightmare for that reason,
but would I change it? NO FUCKING WAY!
EVERYBODY WHO HAS BEATEN DOOM ON NIGHTMARE, I FUCKING SALUTE YOU AND GIVE YOU 100 IRL ACHIEVEMENT POINTS!