u mad ?

because source engine

>>59973494
I'm not really mad or annoyed at it. I just seriously want to know what the reason is that source sucks

>>59973566
its too easy to get a headshot, see an enemy? spray and pray and ding ding ding you got a headshot

I don't know not a single shit about CS, but I want to play seriously this game soon.

Which game should I play ?

>>59973652

CS?

>>59973652
play CS:S, its easier too get into and everyone is not fucking pro

>>59973649
but doesn't this mean it's easy for everyone? So pro's should immediately be able to get head shots. Yet they still complain all the time

>>59973649

> spray and pray

Well that goes for all versions of CS, spray and pray, hopefully they'll die.

Source has shitty unaccurate hitboxes. 1.6 actually takes skill.

>>59973446
css hitboxes? more like shitboxes amirite?

>>59973773
the thing is, noobs can easily get a headshot on pros too so luck is a big factor in the game ergo less skill based

Fuck 1.6, that shit sucks. 1.5 was perfection.

Play basketball with five times bigger hoops. Who do you think gains more from this, players who play in the NBA already or those who have never played basketball before?

CS:S is for casuals.

Analysis of Counter-Strike players:

1.6 - Players claim to be "pro" and refuse to play CSS because they cannot adapt to other game engines
Condition Zero - Nobody plays this.
CSS - Casual FPS with competitive side-play. No significant changes from 1.6, just minor engine differences which only affect those with slow reaction time (1.6 players)
CSS Beta - Competitive players. Extremely hard to obtain a good score as a casual or new player.

Hitboxes

>>59974027

Has very little or no experience with counter-strike. It's painfully obvious.

>just minor engine differences

Lol'd

The differences between Source and 1.6 are GROSSLY overrated.

These are the three major differences in the engines:

In source, Recoil is randomized. In 1.6, it follows a preset pattern. Basically this means there is a degree of 'luck' in Source (although this isn't really the case, it just means you have to manage your shots to hit a certain area rather than a specific point)

Two, grenade physics are different. Much different. In 1.6, they fly practically straight and bounce really strangely. In Source they act more 'realistic'. Oh yeah and the grenade effects are different obviously. Smoke is much more effective in source, same with flashbangs, and HE grenades deal much more damage.

Three, you can no longer shoot through 10 inches of concrete in Source. You can still shoot through doors, but you can't shoot through every wall like in 1.6.

These are the main differences. They really aren't that big, it's just a stigma in the community. Source is fine. 1.6 is fine.

>>59974156

Please refer to: >>59974209

>>59973446
source doesn't suck, it's just that the old players played so much 1.6 that they are used the the old weapon attributes and hitbox on an instinctive level

I too had problems when I tried source after years of playing CS 1.6, it's weird

>>59974294

Please realize that >>59974209 most likely doesn't know what the fuck he is talking about.

I hate it when people with obviously very little experience with the game try and act like they know what they are talking about.

>>59974382

>HURR DURR I CAN'T ADAPT, EVERYONE BUT ME IS EITHER A TROLL OR RETARDED

Get over yourself. Adapt to changes - all of them are positive in this case.

Grenade explosions also go through walls in 1.6.

I used to suck at 1.6 and was great at source

Now it's the other way around for some reason

>>59974437

How many years with counter-strike? 11 for me.

I was waiting for source eagerly, but unfortunately I was let down badly. 1.6 is a competitive game, source is a kid's game. Casuals like source, and said casuals often say that people who prefer gameplay over visuals are unable to adapt.

Has anybody played the CSS beta yet? The grenade physics are really odd - they arc at an angle above where you throw the grenades.

Are there any other changes in the beta? There seems to be a LOT more recoil, but that could just be me.

>>59974553

Owned both since retail. Also in CSS beta. I find the game play a lot better on Source as opposed to 1.6. The community is also quite arrogant and annoying - as you can see in this thread.

>>59974437
>HURR DURR IM A CASUAL AND I DONT KNOW WHAT THE FUCK IM TALKING ABOUT BUT I STILL CANT JUST SHUT THE FUCK UP

>>59974553

>Source is casual because I say so, this can be justified because I've played it for a long time.

DEBATING!

>>59974662

Referring to the community of 1.6 of course.

>>59974662

>Since retail

Newfag, gtfo.

1.6 is better because you require more precision therefore enhancing your general experience and reward.

>>59974553
May I ask why you think Source is a kids game? Why it is so 'casual'?

I hear a lot of name calling but no actual reasons why.

I know as a long time player of a game change can be hard to take, but it really isn't THAT large of a change.

1.6 fag here.
I've never bought Source until recently, mainly because of laziness.
Honestly, I can't see the fucking difference.

I mean, if you've got a better PC, may as well Source, it's the same shit, you know?

>>59974716

Sorry, I was busy playing the HL1 multi-player instead of a glitchy mod.

>>59974679

Source is casual because, frankly, it's just plain easy. It's simple and fun, a kid's game. It's the burnout of FPS'.

Refer to >>59974005

alot of ppl grew up with 1.6 and played it for years. source feels like jelly compared to 1.6 and was not what ppl excepted form it.

>>59974805

I'm sure you sucked in it as well.

Couple main reasons I hate Source:

The subtle map changes.
New sounds sucked.
New flashbangs were spammable and annoying.
They fucked with my buy menus.
Scope zooms take longer.
Fucked-to-shit hitboxes.

>>59974744

>enhancing your general experience and reward

>>59974810

lol circular logic

It's not easier, OP. Same shit.

It plays slightly differently. Movement, graphics, maps, slight weapon variations.

This is plenty enough reason for people who consider themselves "professional", or even "enthusiasts" to dislike CS:Source.

I've played both since before 1.5, and I remember people hating on 1.6 for the exact same reasons as CS:S. It was new, required Steam(which was shit at the time), and was again, slightly different.

As for the recoil thing, if you have ever fired an automatic weapon higher caliber than 9mm, you'll also know that recoil feels VERY random.

Sourcefags got told.

A summary of this thread:

>level headed /v/ideo-gamers accept evolution and adapt to new and more balanced games
>1.6 players who refuse to adapt to new engine continually insult other player's skill and call them casual, as opposed to presenting a valid argument as to why they prefer 1.6

1.6 simply takes more skill and is more rewarding.

Source is good but it can't touch 1.6.

>>59974923
Christ I question the age of the person who made that.

Cannot have been over 15

>>59974899

The hate on 1.6 lasted for about a year. CS: S has been out for what, 5 years now and people still hate it. It's not because people can't adapt, it's because there is no need to adapt. Why would anyone want to switch from a good game to a bad one?

Only casuals play for visuals anyway (and well, source engine is pretty fucking outdated as well).

The main reason why I personally hate source is because it's fucking sluggish. 1.6 is sharp.

>>59974923

>Pointless statistics and "It's shit because we say so"
>Bias opinion that's still just an opinion with no justification

The day the internet stops sucking at arguing is the day my body collapses into a black hole.

Because the source engine is garbage.

You can be pro on any game you want. It doesnt matter if you say that one game is easier. there will be always someone better than you.

That means css=cs 1.6
so have fun on either games XD
I personaly suggest that you play css because it gives you more than cs 1.6 (concerning mods and other stuff )

same reason every "pro" game is popular

it has loads of bugs that CS:S fixed

>>59975002
For those guys who are telling 1.6 players to adapt to CS:S..

What's exactly stopping you from adapting to 1.6? Besides being bad at video games of course.

>>59975002

You've been repeating that same shit about repeating for what, 6-7 messages now? Shows the amount of insight you have on this matter.

>Calling an online FPS game more or less difficult

Are you fucking retarded?


Online difficulty is based on the skill of the enemy/enemies, not on the game itself.

>>59974585
Been playing the beta too. The grenades being thrown too high will get fixed. Was quite funny being able to strafe whilst running to run quicker but that got fixed fairly fast. I can't tell but I feel like the hit registration is all wrong, although maybe it's just that I got used to CSS's wonky hit reg and am having difficulty adapting. Oh also, when I hit someone in the head there's a small delay before they die.

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>>59975147

Most of us are able to. In fact, I think I have more play time on 1.6 . You guys on the other hand, think you're special and deserve special recognition because you play a 10-11 year old game.

>>59974027

What the hell did they change in Beta?

>>59975068
It IS a bit slower isn't it?

I play both. The games are almost equal, and if you're good at 1.6, you'll be good at 1.5 and CSS. That is how it is for me, anyway.

>>59975220

Refer to >>59974005

God I hate you fucking retards -____-

So much underaged b& in this thread.

Just pick a fucking game and play it, we don't care.

>>59974308
The source engine is slow, clunky and the hitboxes are bugged to shit. All FPS games that use the source engine are terrible.

>>59975147

The 1.6 Euro servers are FULL of Russian servers that block you if your ip address is outside of their country, the playerbase is dwindling, and I didn't spend several hundred Euroes on a pc to make it render crippled zombies with cardboard guns and tacky explosions.

>>59975147
This.

Source only fixes some minor annoyances but overall it's worse than 1.6.

Everytime CS comes up on /v/ I realize how many people are casual fucks who are terrible at video games. And hence why most people on here have shit taste.

>>59975270

1.6 came out in 2003...

Indie cat enjoyed CS before Valve bought it; now it sucks

>>59974005

Guys in the NBA would then be able to hit 3s from mid court.

>>59975406

Referring to the original mod date. HURR DURR LETS GET TECHNICAL NOW.

>>59975382

Because they're not all playing Quake?

Tell me about it, man.

>>59975382

Intresting

>>59975466
So would the beginners.

>>59975541

Pretty sure 90+% of /v/ couldn't hit a half-court shot on a 5x size regulation basketball hoop.

>>59975270
>Questionably more played time on 1.6
>6-7 year difference between release dates

>>59975466

So could anyone with some athletic talent. The years of training the NBA players have hitting the small basket would go down the drain since any idiot can hit the big basket from pretty much any distance.

>>59975541

Then again it's become pretty apparent that you're not exactly the brightest crayon in the box.

What would you expect from a namefag, eh.

Remember when knife kills actually meant something?

I quit when 1.6 came out because it was awful.

Elitism, basically. They changed the recoil and bullet spread and all the tourneyfags went batshit.

It's not bad, it's different.

>>59975801
Unless it gets as bad as Modern Warfare 2, I think they're fine as they are.

>>59975801

this was my face when you reminded me

>>59975612
Then how about a different analogy:

Chili pepper eating contest. Except the pepper's are just mild jalapenos.

>>59975801

It's funny, because by the logic of 1.6 players, knife kills should be harder to get in CSS. Their assumption is that it's easier to shoot someone, therefore it would actually be more difficulty to get close enough to stab them.

The one thing nobody's talked about yet is why would anyone play source? It's not as good as 1.6 gameplay-wise and it can't stand up to COD or other new games gfx-wise.

So why would you play it? Just play 1.6 if you want gameplay, COD if you want a mixture of gameplay and GFX and Crysis or Just Cause 2 if you want visuals.

>>59975801
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>>59975860

It's not only the bullet spread and recoil

It's the hitboxes, animations, models, maps, and random shit like barrels which serve no purpose other than to annoy the fuck out of you

>>59974209
never played 1.5

>>59975928

Knife kills? You really are just a scrub aren't you?

Good luck trying to get knife kills in clan matches or tournaments.

>>59976050

Either you can't read, or you're a troll.

>>59975897

Stop with the Kafkaesque analogies.

And stop pretending you didn't land headshots in 1.6 by spraying your AK.

>>59976090

At least I'm not a scrub namefag trying to defend some shitty kids game that's been dead for years now.

Why don't you just go play that WII of yours now?

>>59976163

Like I said.

>>59976003
Only the ones that the poster before you already mentioned actually affect competitive game play. You can turn clutter off server-side.

>LOL CLIENT SIDE ANIMATIONS ARE DIFFERENT ITS SO CASUAL

>>59976163

>scrub
>CS
>shitty kids game
>dead for years

>WII

The level of stupid in this post amazes me

tourneyfags are douches.

>>59976152

You can spray but bursts and tapping are more rewarding and will serve you better. In source it doesn't matter whether you spray or tap or burst. The recoil is non-existent after all.

>>59976235
>Got proven wrong
>Say you were trolling

Underage b& detected.

>>59976152
> stop pretending you didn't land headshots in 1.6 by spraying your AK.
Maybe during my first year. Then I noticed it's much more efficient just aiming for the head.

>>59976235

Answer to >>59975984 now, please.

>>59976263

>clearly doesn't play competitive CS

just no

you're fucking retarded if you think the things that I said don't affect gameplay

>>59976152
>Kafkaesque