That is hams.

Fucking thief

I agree.

Pirate logic at its finiest.

YOU WOULDN'T DOWNLAOD A BREAD

The difference between shoplifting and pirating is that there is no packaging therefore nothing of value is lost.

Why do people still not understand this...

Shouldnt it be make an exact copy of the bread leaving the original behind?

So here I am, browsin /v/, when I says to myself "You know what /v/ needs right now? Another non vidya topic." And sure enough, here it is. Thanks, OP.

>>57278179
Did someone say steamed hams?

If you made an exact copy of it and walked out with the copy, I would se nothing wrong with your actions.

You can't get arrested for stealing a bread in Holland if you're poor or something.

no everyone will call you THIEF for the rest of you life even tho at the start of the game you were LINK

>>57278208
>finiest

I see what you're trying to do here and it's dumb

piracy would be like making an exact replica of the bread on the shelf that was infinitely replenishable without even having to take it off the shelf

>implying I have problems with shoplifters
>implying I have problems with pirates

stop metaphor, when you download games you were never going to buy, you don't use the developers resources and make the game less available to other customers.

>>57278253
It's loosely vidya related.

WRONG OP
More like
It's ok if I take a copy of the bread, that costs me nothing, and doesn't detract from the maker's income, because I wasn't going to buy it in the first place.

>>57278208
I think you missed OPs point, dumbass.

>>57278234

That is the dumbest thing I have ever fucking heard.

>>57278234
this

Fukken deel wit it Ubisoft

If I pirate a game, which customer will lose their copy?

piracy is not stealing, it is copying

>>57278321
Actually, when you call support, you ARE using developer's resources. Sure, YOU might not call support, but there are plenty of idiots that do.

Try again, piratefag.

I was going to buy bread until the shop said I can only eat it with Marmite.

>>57278304

this.

>>57278280

Why is Holland always so sensible?
Its like their government aren't retards.

>>57278280

You can't get arrested anywhere if you're not caught.

ITT: everyone is trolled

>>57278342
>>57278321
>>57278304
>>57278252
>>57278234

>>57278404
It's cause they're not. Holland is a god-tier country. I wish I was there...I would be a windmill or something.

>>57278377
yeah but those same retard would call support if they bought the game, because they're retards.
your argument is invalid

>implying bread is information
>implying you can eat information
>implying you can do anything about piracy

ITS OK GUYS, LETS BE WHITE KNIGHTS AND PAY MONEY FOR THINGS THAT USED TO BE FREE.

LETS IGNORE CORPORATIONS TAKING ADVANTAGE OF US BLINDLY THROWING MONEY AT THEM AND BUYING ANYTHING THEY OFFER TO US.

ITS OK, ITS ONLY THE DOWNFALL OF THE ENTIRE INDUSTRY.

If Bobby Kotick shit in a sock you faggots would buy it for $69.99, i have no doubt about this.

You would also pay an extra $14.99 for his toilet paper stimulus package

>>57278153

That's never been an excuse for piracy. It's been a way to excuse sales lost against piracy.

Company sells a game. The game gets copied and distributed to pirates. The pirated copies do not count against 'lost sales' because there's a fairly good chance the receivers of the copies weren't going to buy the game anyway.

>>57278153
You were going to buy it since you need to eat, you retard... You don't need to play games to live.

DERP

If I took the time to copy it, it is therefore MY work now and MY choice to share it or not, it is no longer the property of the devs/pubs.

>>57278153
A better example would be something like; "It's okay if just read this magazine in the store. I'm not gonna buy it anyway."

>>57278208
>finiest

Tripfag spelling at its peak.

Better analogy: You go to a museum. You see a painting. Instead of buying their low-quality $25 print of a painting you snap a quick (non-flash) picture of it when nobody's watching.

SHOCK! HORROR!

>>57278304
Yeah, but if poor niggers like you keep stealing the bread. why would developers waste money putting a product out there that they won't make money off of?

There needs to be a report option like "OP is a fucking imbecile"

It's ok if I make my own garden. I was never going to buy vegetables from the store in the first place.

if i didnt pirate i wouldnt play games.
But i pirate them.. and play.. and laugh at this jew industry

>>57278575

piratefag here, that's the dumbest thing I've ever read

and i love it

But somebody would have bought that particular loaf of bread, even if you don't. You're depriving the shop owner of an almost guaranteed sale.

>>57278650
>implying pirated games are better quality than retail games.
derp

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLC_zZ5fqFk

>>57278153
But the shop has one less loaf to sell.

>>57278234

When a game is being developed, the majority of money spent is towards the actual development of the game, not the production of physical copies. You don't pay $30-50 for the disc and the box, you pay that money for the actual game- the data contained on that disc.

I really couldn't care less if you pirate. I pirate shit too. Trying to justify it, however, just makes you sound silly.

>>57278718
You need to be the owner of that land to be able to do that. Nothing is free. Food is a necesity, games aren't.

>>57278778
>Implying a cellphone/cheap camera picture is going to be better than even a low-quality print

DERP

>>57278575

Why is that image so big? Text doesn't need to be a wallpaper.

>>57278487
>I wish I was there...I would be a windmill or something.

I lol'd hard.

>>57278749
You want a fucking chocolate loaf? Whole grain , bitch.

>>57278778
that post
...
...
...
...
Your head.

>>57278153
>Taking bread
>Store loses bread

>Pirating a video game
>Store loses nothing

>>57278778
Let's see they have no
-activation limits
-intrusive drm restrictions
-retarded online activations
-are yours forever, not just until the servers are still up
-some even come with cracks that fix in game bugs

yep not better quality at all rite

>>57278816
Actually, most of the money goes toward lining the pockets of assholes like Bobby Kotick.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrwjiO1MCVs

OP fails basic logic.

If you take the bread, the store's inventory will be lacking - SOMEONE will have to pay for that bread, because it went missing.
When you pirate, you COPY the information - you have a DUPLICATE - which means the original does not go missing. Nobody has to pay for it.

That's the difference. If you weren't going to buy a game, getting a pirated copy won't make any difference - the game will still be there for others to buy. If you weren't going to buy the bread, stealing it means nobody else will be able to buy it because it's gone.

OP's Troll Rating:
6.5/10

>>57278863
how can I make a turd that big?

>>57278153
You were going to buy it.

>>57278256

AURORA BOREALIS?!

>>57278863

Im currently drinking really shitty cheap wine.

>>57278522

this man is correct

>>57278942
It's an ancient technique only teached to those worthy enough.

>>57278863

My God its 14 zurichs, truly a fine turd indeed

>>57278863

someone ate Chinese last night

If I enjoyed the bread I'd buy it.

Anyone here ever read Terry Pratchett's 'The Sourceror'?

You know that part when the wizards start using sourcery, and one of them walks out of the gates and is approached by a meat pie salesman? And the wizard then just summons a pie infront of the man and walks away laughing?

That's what this thing looks like to me.

>>57278942

You need to increase the width of your anus. Might I suggest a good ass pounding?

Unless this is different in the amerikkans, her pirating is a civil law matter not a criminal law matter. So any refrence to stealing is stupid.

Might aswell call DRM software trojans then.

>>57279119
Actually...

>>57278863

>>57278863
You could build a fucking shed with those logs.

>>57278816
>>57278816
THIS.

i too, didn't even hate pirate niggers until they went on with their bullshit logic on how pirating isen't technically stealing. When you take something you're soposed to pay for-it's stealing.
It dose not matter itf it's just a bunch of data. You stole it.

>>57278153

Now, now that's just silly.

>pirates actually believe they aren't stealing

OK say I write a term paper
Somebody sees it on my desk and copies it word for word.
I still have the original and he still stole from me.

His hands are so blocky.

good one op

>>57279318
hurr durr copyright

It's okay if I read this book in the store. I was never going to buy it in the first place.

>>57279318
And if someone pirates a game then tries to sell that game, they've stolen as well. Completely different laws there.

Alright piratefags and moralfags let me try to explain this to you

Piracy (file sharing) does not steal an original copy, the retailer does not "lose" money in capitol damages, but they lose a potential sale

This in no way shape or form justifies piracy, piracy is bad but people will pirate.

But it is not nearly as bad as people portray it.

>>57279269
>When you take
>Take
I took nothing, I copied it.

>>57279382
Libraries are killing the book industry

It's ok if i launder this money, I was never going to get a job in the first place.

>>57279402
>but they lose a potential sale
Depends

>>57279318

No, he copied it. Plagiarism isn't theft, either. Feel free to look up the definition and notice Theft or Steal aren't words used to define it.

Despite the saying, you can not STEAL and idea. You can only steal physical property. It's still morally wrong, but it's not stealing.

>pirates actually believe they aren't stealing

we're not. it's just like recording something off the radio.

Why do they call it piracy anyway?
Is it because pirates steal what's not theirs?
food for though.

>>57278783
Gabe Newell has it right.

Make decent games, offer them at decent prices, people will buy.

Make shit games, people will pirate

Sell games at shit prices, people will pirate

Pack games with invasive DRM, people will pirate the hell out of them

Piracy is a reaction, it's not unprovoked.

>>57279402
steam made me buy a shit ton of games that I didn't think of buying..
its the fault of the industry ppl dont buy games and pirate them! srsly.. why should I buy a DRM infected game for 80 fuckin dollar!

>>57279430
Play whatever word game you want.
You took/copied it without paying for it.

>>57279525

Not really. Like recording TV shows, that shit is not provided for free. It's supported by commercial sponsors.

I mean pirate if you want, but don't hide behind logical fallacies when you do it and pretend it's in no way immoral.

loaning out games is killing the video game industry

>>57279525

yeah, stealing money's way worse than duplicating it. just ask any federal agency!

STOP. YOU'VE VIOLTATED THE LAW.

>>57278354
>Now you're aware that you READ it, didn't HEAR.

i have some bread in the kitchen

you're welcome to make as many copies of it as you like

>>57279600
Take = Other person loses something
Copy = Both people have it

I cook my own food, am I killing the fast food industry?

>>57279707
>implying value isn't lost with copying

>>57279652
>implying vidya are currency

>>57279627

>Not really. Like recording TV shows, that shit is not provided for free. It's supported by commercial sponsors.
>HBO, commercial sponsors

>I mean pirate if you want, but don't hide behind logical fallacies when you do it and pretend it's in no way immoral.

reread my post dipshit, stop assuming assumptions

Piracy is immoral and wrong.
It may not technically be stealing but you are still playing a game for free when you're supposed to buy it.
Maybe some day they'll actually make this illegal and then the piracy = theft people will be right.
Stop trying to justify piracy.

"I was never going to buy the game"

But yet you are playing it. If it was impossible to pirate, you'd have to decide if you wanted to play it or not play it.

>>57279797
Implying it is

>>57279797

>implying you can assign value to 1s and 0s on a hard drive

>101 Replies
>Ctrl+F
>'intellectual property'
>Phrase not found.

OH HEY GUIS LOL

U KNOW WHAT I DO SHIT BITCH. SOMETIMES WHEN SPENT MY HARD EARNED WAGE ON CIGARETTES, ALCOHOL, PROSTITUTES AND MY BILLS IM PRETTY STRAPPED FOR THA CHEDDER, SO I TORRENT SOME OF DEM MOFOS LIKE A .44 BITCH NIGGA

IVE NEVER FINISED A VIDEO GAME IN MY LIFE SO SUCK A DICK

>>57279707
you read this >>57279797

>>57279868
>Implying it isn't illegal

>>57279868
So i loaned a game from a friend, am i killing the video game industry now?

>>57279868

>>57279652

I love how piracy is compared to dozens of other forms of crime. Counterfitting, shoplifting, grand theft auto... it's not like those, it's piracy.

It is it's own form of behavior which you can not liken to any other form of crime because the practice of stealing intangible media is still pretty fucking new.

It started with floppy discs and cassettes, and has been evolving ever since. The internet has kicked it into high gear and that's where we are now. It's not like stealing a candy bar or copying words off a page. It's Piracy, and it is unique.

It's ok if I take the bread that my roommate bought. I was never going to buy it in the first place, and my roommate already paid for it.

That fits the situation more accurately.

Why would I pay for a game ? Sothat it's greedy stupid bosses can pa for moar hooker and little boys ?


nigger please .

Not giving money to actishit, blizbitch , or ubigay


If in another hand some studio makes something great then i'll give money .

Retards,

you only "DON'T WANT TO BUY THE GAME" because you know you have the option of pirating it

if pirating didn't exist, sure, some pirates wouldn't buy it, but a lot would, and developers would get the money they need to keep making new products.

That's the bottom-line faggots. Delude yourself if you want.

>>57279770
did you steal the food youre cooking?
odds are you payed somebody for it

>>57279486
That's why he said potential fag, potential not meaning definite.

>>57279970
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>>57279900
>>57279924
>implying you two don't undersatnd how money and profits work

>>57279970
When you LOAN a game, you go without it so your friend can play it. Eventually, if you both want to keep it they need to buy a copy as well. Your comparison is flawed.

i love cowfucker logic

>i wasn't going to buy it anyway.
fuck you, if you didn't want it you would NOT have downloaded it in the first place.

>>57279970
Did you make a copy of the game?
Yes.
Did you borrow his copy and give it back?
No.

No, piracy is like this:
I can make bread exactly like this bread using things I have at home.

>>57279970

According to game publishers? Absolutely. They would now like to take away your ability to play the game with their latest DRM. This is what DRM is for, not anti-piracy.

But like with most issues, people don't bother learning about it and instead just repeatedly spout the same 1/2 dozen talking points for their side.

>>57279996
And it's also not a problem. It's a reaction and a symptom of greedy companies with terrible practices.

If the customer were actually a consideration AT ALL, piracy wouldn't be an issue whatsoever.

>>57278153
Is it okay that I take this bread from that guy who stole the recipe for this specific loaf of bread and is now giving them out for free?

This is the most accurate scenario.
I don't give a fuck if you pirate

YOU WOULDN'T Z-MODEM A HAM

>>57280087
no its not!
its the fuckin same!
I can play it for free!

>>57280060

>implying you two don't undersatnd how money and profits work

dumbest con argument ever

>>57280115
No that would be making your own game.

>>57280115

... so you're telling me music piracy isn't stealing because you have a guitar and a bass and drums and etc etc.

Fucking... idiots...

>>57278253
>newfag

>>57278153
the store loses a profit because actual material was lost

pirated things are digital, they can be replicated billions of times for no cost at all

>>57279979

lol, take it touhou posted itt? thank god for greasemonkey

>>57280192
music piracy isn't piracy because music is retarded

>>57279269

It is stealing. But I honestly can't bring myself to care. It's like the difference between going five MPH over the speed limit on an empty freeway vs. going 60 MPH through a school zone at 2:20 p.m.

>>57280225

if it wasn't for cowfuckers (you aren't good enough for the word pirate) we wouldn't have DRM in the first fucking place

>>57280216
piracy isn't piracy, it's copyright violation

I would totally download some bread

>some pirates wouldn't buy it
No most
>developers would get the money they need to keep making new products
Is that why PC exclusives keep getting fewer and far between?

>>57280170
NO IT IS NOT THE FUCKING SAME.

When you LOAN a game, you lose it for a while so they can play it. If you want it back, your friend needs to GIVE IT BACK TO YOU SO YOU CAN PLAY IT.

Saying he wasn't going to buy it is bullshit if he needs to keep his own copy permanently.

Everyone posting in this thread is a retard for falling for the OP's troll.

>implying that piracy isn't killing good 3rd party titles on the Wii

>implying that tons of people downloading Boktai 2 isn't the reason Boktai 3 never came out in english.

games these days are shit, you pirate games to try them in the hopes that something will change. you dont waste money on a chance like that.

with out piracy everyone would just play dwarf fortress

>>57280256

posting without your trip again i see

>>57280139

Well it is a problem and it isn't. As much as most deny it, generally you might buy a game if you didn't pirate it. Maybe you're just bored... you might regret the purchase, but it's a lost sale.

However DRM has nothing to do with stopping crack-using piracy. It's to stop re-sale and sharing of your games. And Ubi's newest DRM has worked.

I won't be sharing AC2 or Settlers 7 with anyone because I won't buy them.

>>57280325
it's not my job to fix the world, dad

>>57280258
If it wasn't for fuckwit publishers we wouldn't have pirates OR DRM.

Also, DRM increases piracy, fact, yet the publishers continue to force it into games.

ITT: Bunch of babies. You've all downloaded something that you should have paid for. Lying about it doesn't change the fact that you're lying and you know you're lying.

Pirate movies and music, I don't give a flying fuck about that shit, I do it as well.
But why in the fuck would you pirate something so dear to you? Take pride in your games you fucking little kids. Don't be a snot nosed little bitch and steal games.
Especially games from up and coming studios.
Your logic /v/ fucking astonishes me about how really subhuman you little boys are.

>>57280015

WHY DID YOU POST THAT

I HATE YOU

>>57280216
you have in your possession, something they are offering for a fee and you DID NOT PAY FOR, that is technically theft as well.

I fucking pirate a game because developers release shitty demos that are nothing like the end game. If developers didnt make shitty games, I wouldnt have to pirate it to see what the fucking game was like.

Also

Suit=paying customers
Girl On Head=pirates
Boy=Ubisoft

>>57278153

>>57280363
Piratefags are driving me to not use a tripcode at all now.

>>57280311
cyber nigger spotted

>>57280295
Yes, PC gaming is not as popular with developers because of how many people pirate. They would rather make money making games for things that people (more often than not) spend money on. It's very simple.

>>57280216

I was waiting for that picture.

>>57280307
what if the game is like DoW, in that case you dont need a cdto play it, so i can play it and my friend.

what now?

>>57280307

Look at DRM and read the T+C of your games.

You are not allowed to share it with others, even if it means you don't get to play it anymore when they have your copy.

>>57279888
>game costs $1,000,000,000
>pirate it

LOGICALLY I WOULD HAVE BOUGHT IT SINCE I PIRATED IT.

please read the below

note: I am aware that the above is an exaggeration, but according to your post if you pirate something, you would buy it. In this case, your logic should still apply.

tl;dr, how about you think of an argument that's logically sound?

>>57280381
bullshit.

DRM came about after you cowfuckers started taking what you didn't pay for.

If I pirate a game I had no intention of buying anyway, just to try it out or see if it's good.
Noone loses anything at it, infact I have done this several times, pirated shitty games then uninstalled, would never have bought them in the first place.

I have also downloaded games and then bought them for the multiplayer.

Digital piracy can't be compared to any real life crime for the one obvious fact... you can't make perfect copies of material objects in real life.

>>57280444
said all to well mate.

tl:dr the death of the master race.

>>57280559
Perfect copies out of thin air, rather.

>>57280500
You did it and you kept playing it, don't lie about it.
Sorry if you're a shining example to this, but most people who claim that they are just wanting to try it out and see if they buy it just continue to keep playing it and never pay for it.

>>57280444
>implying people dont pirate for consoles all the fucking time

>>57280412
legaly theft is defined by the loss of a thing on the part of the person stolen from, not the gain of a thing by the theif.

>More and more PC games (including exclusives) are released every year
>More PC games than console games
>PC gaming is dying

>>57280176
PIRACY IS IMMORAL
PIRACY IS WRONG
It doesn't matter if it is or isn't theft, it's immoral and wrong and you know it.

>>57280500
you have other options of seeing weather or not you like a game or not.

demos, videos, listening to friends/family and their opinions on game.

>Pirate game in 1993
>Industry reports higher earnings then the year before
>Pirate game in 1994
>Industry reports higher earnings then the year before
>Pirate game in 1995
>Industry reports higher earnings then the year before
>Pirate game in 1996
>Industry reports higher earnings then the year before
>Pirate game in 1997
>Industry reports higher earnings then the year before
>Pirate game in 1998
>Industry reports higher earnings then the year before
>Pirate game in 1999
>Industry reports higher earnings then the year before
>Pirate game in 2000
>Industry reports higher earnings then the year before
>Pirate game in 2001
>Industry reports higher earnings then the year before
>Pirate game in 2002
>Industry reports higher earnings then the year before
>Pirate game in 2003
>Industry reports higher earnings then the year before
>Pirate game in 2004
>Industry reports higher earnings then the year before
>Pirate game in 2005
>Industry reports higher earnings then the year before
>Pirate game in 2006
>Industry reports higher earnings then the year before
>Pirate game in 2007
>Industry reports higher earnings then the year before
>Pirate game in 2008
>Industry reports higher earnings then the year before
>Pirate game in 2009
>Industry reports higher earnings then the year before
>Pirate game in 2010
>Industry reports higher earnings then the year before
sure is killing the industry in here

So uh.. why do people repond to these threads?

Everyone with half a brain knows this isn't an apt analogy.

>>57280455
>copying a game to your harddrive
You are back into pirating, not LOANING. Learn the difference.

>>57280466
Only PC games make you agree to TOS. Loaning a game can mean physically lending someone your console game.

Is bread digital now?

>>57280643
>demos
too bad ppl dont make demos anymore

I pirate because I hate game developers

>>57280610
I have not a game on my computer that is pirated and I play regularly, except for San Andreas. But I bought that shit on PS2 and don't wanna pay for it twice.

So if I bang a prostitute and don't pay her, I wasn't stealing? I didn't take anything from her and I was never going to pay in the first place.

If I employ the services of a lawyer I don't have to pay him right? I didn't really take anything from him he just spent some time working on my case.

Idiots.

>>57280444

It's not as popular with some of the mainstream publishers... however companies like Blizzard (Pre-wow Blizzard) produce games for the PC pretty much exclusively.

PC gaming isn't going anywhere. It's still the easiest platform to produce games on for Joe Everybody and the easiest to sell/share that game on.

And little indie game producers then go on to influence and create more games, sometimes for the PC. PC gaming is fine.

IMO, the less shitty console ports we get, the better.

>>57280486
It's a cycle.

>Publisher releases shitty game
>Publisher overcharges for shitty game
>People pirate instead of overpaying
>Publisher whines about piracy, charges EVEN MORE for games and starts shoehorning invasive DRM
>Even more people pirate because fewer people are happy with the price and DRM.
>and so on

It's not up to the pirates to break the cycle, it's up to the publishers to stop shitty business practices.

>>57280701
liar

>>57280486
you say that as if bullshit copy protection was something that came about recently

I have never pirated games I would buy, and regularly buy games. Pirated games though.

WHAT NOW MORLAFAGS?

hey moralfags, you can pay for my pirated copy if you want. otherwise, you're just wasting time cause i know i'm not changing my ways, and i doubt other piratefags will.

Isn't it more analogous to someone buying the bread, running it through a cloning device, and giving you free bread for life?

>>57280627
>implying any of them are worth playing on an average pc
>implying senior citizens care about your "omg teh graphizxfvlqanwervoaervn" pc games

>>57280559
that still dosn't mean it dosn't have a negative impact.

>>57280706

You're wasting their time though and promising to pay and then reneging

Idiot.

>>57280706
prostitutes and lawyers contribute to society, unlike game developers

>>57280705
That's fine then.
Most people claim things though and never follow through.

>>57279402
>>57279627
>>57279868

>implying that human beings have the right to lock up or punish other human beings for the duplication of information that's not national security or that directly endangers the subject of the information

oh u so-called "moralfags" and your inconsistent sense of ethics.

Those threads are getting annoying.
Yes i'm a dirty pirate and there's no justification for piraitng games, I just don't care enough to buy them.
that's it.

>>57280643
Yes, yet none as good as the experience of playing the game itself. I tried the L4D demo and then bought the game, ever since I always pirate and check first. L4D was fucking shit, like 10 weapons and same shit over and over. I thought it would be better since that was only the first map.

>>57280801
what about when game developers hire lawyers and prostitutes? they're indirectly contributing to society, then

>>57280706
thats called extortion

>>57280704

If you hate publishers, then buy indie games.

If you just want to plat AAA titles that publishers dump a million dollars into, which never could have been made to the quality that they were WITHOUT all that money... then yeah, pirate it.

Lol some faggots and their excuses

Businessmen need to stop making games.. Whatever happened to from gamers to gamers.
Companies are losing any "fanbase" they had while catering to more sales and the casual market.
Stop making disposable shit..Simple as that. Start making something thats worth my money inside the pretty wrapper

>>57280848
prostitutes have no purpose in modern society.

>>57280139
See it's funny, the thought that companies DONT think of the customers only holds water for so many games and so many development teams. And many of these teams actually don't have that much funding to continue making games if they fall into the "indie" category.
Look at it this way; if you were to Pirate a game like "No More Heroes", you're not sticking it to the man at Ubisoft; you're telling them you don't have the time nor care for their product, and the potential sales drop. Even if you say "I wasn't going to buy it." What makes it any different from buying the game and then taking it back for a refund if you hate it? You don't get a cut when you return something during its allotted return time period, you would get every cent back.

You know why you keep seeing Madden, Imagine series, and bullshit mini-game collection on your systems and handhelds? Because they make money, the main demographic that wants those titles aren't pirating. This is the reason Wii Fit sold well; it wasn't marketed towards the customer base that would want to "try before buying". Companies haven't forgotten us, they've moved on to a place where they can actually see a turn out for their work. Which they don't get when they publish games for the "hardcore" audience. Mad World is a great example of somethign pirates fucked up.

>>57280828
Actually, there is. There are those rom dumps from ten or twenty years ago where, maybe - MAYBE - once a year the cartridge shows up on some auction site and goes for thousands of dollars. And then there are those "abandonware" games that get bought up by new companies and revived under the new copyright laws.

>>57280706

>game devs have to remake every copy of the game

>>57280722
This

>>57280622
>implying people dont pirate for consoles all the fucking time
That's the sound of you missing the point.

Console pirating is not quite as easy or widespread as pirating a PC game. Sure you can find games for emulators, but it's MUCH easier to find torrents for PC games than pirate copies for consoles.

>>57280444
That's not really true. The actual losses most game sales take due to piracy has stayed pretty constant for a long long time, and while the developers blame piracy in the publics eye, I'm sure they know full well how bullshit it is since they have the real numbers. They're just looking for a scape goat to blame any failure on. The real reason that the console market is so much more popular with developers is because it's easier to make games for since they tend to be lower quality in various aspects, and the market is much larger since many people still think that you need to spend a lot of money to get a decent computer (which is wrong, if you know how to build it yourself), so they purchase a console instead. Since consoles are so much more advertised and popularized, everyone started to get one including people who have very rarely played video games in the past. Since these people don't really have any experience, they are much easier to dazzle with a shitty game. Thus, you end up with Modern Warfare 2 topping sales records, and thus you have more video game developers willing to put out games on console.

awesome trollercoaster op.

anyways, since it already been stated, i'll state it again.

pirating, copying, duplicating a game is morally wrong and illegal. taking a copy but leaving the original does not cause the distributor to lose any money, but they lose out on gaining any money from one or more sales of the said game.

pirating a shitty game that no one has bought or played or sold much is still a lost sale, and is even worse when someone pirates a popular game.

i.e: a million people pirate super mario galaxy vs 10 people pirating hanna montana's awesome spotlight game

tl;dr stop justifying pirating

>>57280929
the problem with no more heroes is the platform its in

>>57280844

So you didn't research the game at all? And then you played a demo and just made assumptions about what the rest of the game would be like? And then you get upset when you dislike the game.

You're fucking stupid.

no video game will ever become public domain in our lifetimes, but you guys keep on cheerleading for big media

it feels great knowing that our culture is going to be held for ransom, forever, and that you all support this

>>57280627
>More and more PC games (including exclusives)
In what fucking world are you living in?
I see a lot of watered down ports, and a few exclusives and thats it.

>>57280826
>inconsistent sense of ethics
Hello pot? This is kettle. You're black.

>>57280706
>If I employ the services of a lawyer I don't have to pay him right?

Not if you get the right lawyer

>>57281003
Sounds like SOMEONE doesn't remember Metal Gear Solid 2 and the demo IT had out.

Good example of anti piracy?
METAL GEAR SOLID.

Anyone who condemns piracy but will buy a used game is a hypocrite.

>>57280987
You seem to have missed the part where half the fucking thread said they wouldn't have bought most of the games they pirate. There was never any money to make.

>>57281002
See the fun thing is, it was ported two the other two consoles, but Ubisoft doesn't want shit to do with it; probably because the firs time around it didn't do so well.

>>57280798
You're wasting the developers time, in a way
And you're using the products of their "services" without paying them

>>57280722

Overcharging? Not really. Hell, PC games are still 50 dollars... taking inflation into account, games have DROPPED 10 dollars in price since they started charging 50 bucks a game.

And if it's a shitty game, why bother pirating it?

Your self-defeating logic astounds.

>>57280987
one pirated copy = 1 lost sale
No. Stop doing that.

I've pirated a ton of games that I had almost no intention of buying.

If you pirate, your parents were casuals and never instilled the difference between right and wrong.

You were born a casual, you were raised a casual, you will live as a casual, you will die a casual.

Deal with it.

>>57281088
What, for the PC or Gamecube? Because I sure as fuck KNOW that nobody ever would pirate the gamecube piece of shit version.

>>57280929
And yet there are companies that still make "hardcore" games and sell well.

Why? They pay attention to customers, make decent games, and don't force virus-like DRM onto all their products, thus piracy isn't an issue for them.

>>57281113

see

>>57280031
>>57280102

>>57280987
this sum's up my aurgument. well said.
i'm out.

>>57281003
No, I did research it, it looked better than it was.
I knew the amount of weapons and that shit, I thought "its not the worst thing" but the game itself was just shit.
Thank god griefing is so fun in L4D.

>implying the vidya industry isnt doing better than ever despite of piracy
hilariousreactionimage.brush

>>57280937
Well, that makes sense.
I'm just sick of everyone here trying to justify pirating.

I don't pirate games but I don't care if someone else does.

>>57280638
I understand what I'm doing is wrong, but the moral implecations are not going to be enough to stop me.

I understand I'm harming a industry I care about, and I don't intend to justify myself. Arguing about the moral implecation is not enough to stop piracy.

The proof is everywhere, people will always make an excuse which makes there actions acceptable. Even if you were to some how get through to them, they'd keep going.

>>57281113
That's a dirty lie and you know it. That's just a defense mechanism of pirates. If they hadn't pirated all those free games, would they need to fill that same free time with paid for games? My guess is yes, they would.

>>57281003
And my point was, demos don't always tell the full truth.
They just give a little taste of the good, and the rest doesn't have to be as good.
And seeing how good the demo was, you would naturally assume the rest is just as good.

>>57281174
>Shitty game for $60
>No interest

>Shitty game for free
>Sure, I'll give it a try

I'm amazed that this step in logic is impossible for some people.

>>57280638
Immorality is all personal belief, so don't you think that forcing your personal beliefs on others is immoral? Piracy is the only way video game customers can send a message to video game developers making poor games. If they make a bad game, less people will buy it and more will pirate it. If you make a better game, more people will be willing to buy it and less to pirate. You can argue that some people will pirate your game no matter what, and I agree. However, the number of pirates does decrease when a game is more acclaimed, this is also undeniable. For this reason, piracy is a tool that the public can use in order to make sure that big companies putting out shitty products aren't going to make billions of dollars off exploitation.

>>57281047

>implying that monopolies have natural god-given rights to profit that they are transcendentally justified in enforcing via the use of the heavy hand of the law even when material reality undermines the very basis of said monopolies

oh u!

>>57281208

And the companies that do force "virus" encrusted DRM also do really well...

... probably because it's a growing industry, idiot.

>>57280706
Services =/= Goods

Games developer aren't developing a game at my bequest.

>>57280638
If you enjoy a game, sure. If you play it and its just another pile of shit then no.

Ill tell you what, give me 30 days after a game purchase to return it for my money back if im not satisfied, and i will never pirate anything again.

>>57280967
Its not really any harder, you see idiots asking how to mount a cd image or whatever all the time.

The difference is that you have a better chance of not being a technologically literate moron if you play PC games, so a higher percentage of pc gamers may know how to pirate on pc than console gamers, that doesn't mean its really any more complicated.

Look at the console discussion theads even and people will mention all the great things you can pirate with the console=P

Console is just the platform of choice for commoners and casuals, they wont know how to pirate regardless of which platform they are playing on.

I agree

hey faggots i pirated l4d and then i bought it later on. So piracy actually EARNED those faggots a sale.

THERE WAS NO L4D DEMO AVAILIABLE WHAT ELSE COULD I HAVE DONE?

>>57281212
Ever heard of try before you buy?

>>57281113

they, unfortunately, are lying. the simple fact of downloading the game showed they have some desire for it, therefore they would have bought it.

>>57281212
Both of those are saying exactly what you say in >>57280987

Both of them are also wrong, because wanting it for free doesn't automatically mean I'd pay for it.

>>57281356
Some, yeah. But not enough to actually purchase it.

How come everyone is do hurr durr?

Piracy =/= Theft
Piracy =/= Copyright infringement

/thread

>>57281283
The problem is people try to justify it, which is what we're arguing about.
Everyone here should be able to agree piracy is wrong.

>>57281378

a little robot girl

>>57281309

OH THIS GAME SUCKS WHY DO THEY WASTE THEIR TIME

*plays all the way through the entire game*

THIS WASN'T WORTH MY HARD EARNED DOLLARS THE 30 HOURS OF ENTERTAINMENT DOESN'T JUSTIFY ME PAYING MONEY

You're stupid.

I love how everyone just conveniently ignores the fact that piracy is brought on by DRM, Shitty games and high prices, as well as the fact that companies without these things are doing just fine despite not "battle pirates".

Seriously, just be a half-decent company and the games won't be pirated, it's that easy.

>>57281113
Devs and publishers disagree. That is their product and it was stolen from them without compensation.

From the publisher's point of view, there is literally no difference between me pirating the game and me not buying or pirating the game

Not theft because it's legal to download shit for private use here.

>>57281113
You might not buy as MANY as you pirated, but you'd still purchase games to fill your free time with.

Just because you get something for free doesn't mean you wouldn't purchase it under different circumstances. That's a false sense of entitlement fueling thoughts like that.

>>57281444
>I would never consider demanding my money back when I went to see a music concert and got a hooting moron throwing shit at me for an hour.

but I can't live without bread,and bread isn't 60$

>>57281426

Actually, piracy is basically the definition of copyright infringement...

Google "Intellectual Property Copyright Law" and read up if you don't believe me.

>>57281417
yes, they would.

>>57281444
>30 hours
too bad games doesnt last that long anymore

>>57281356
>the simple fact of downloading the game showed they have some desire for it
No shit. That doesn't mean there's enough of a desire to throw money at it.

Simple fucking logic.

>>57281444
Why is it such a bad thing for customers to be able to not take the risk of throwing away 60 dollars on a shitty game? Why would it be ok for big game developers to put out terrible games that people are going to spend money on and be completely disappointed with? Do you even realize that you're part of the general public getting fucked over by this kind of shit?

>>57281292
there are games that you can get hundreds (or thousands if its an mmo) of hours of entertainment out of.

Then there are games that are good for a few hours and thats it.

remove piracy and the former is more than enough to keep people entertained, they were just trying the latter because "why not try it?"

with out piracy nobody would ever discover new good game series/developers

>>57281444
OH THIS GAME SUCKS WHY DO THEY WASTE THEIR TIME

*uninstalls the game*

THIS WASN'T WORTH MY HARD EARNED DOLLARS LUCKY I DIDN'T PAY FOR THIS SHIT.

>>57281457
>piracy is brought on by DRM
actually it was the opposite that happened.