I think upgrading the combat system to something that isn't a shitty JRPG relic from a time when such things were limited because of technical inability is probably more important.

that would probably blow
hard

same pokemon style we have now but ONLINE, that would be badass. like all the players doing (I hate this word) quests and the story at the same time online (mmorpg style)

and you can battle people and take their shit

>>55269982

>Fights would be in real time
>I think upgrading the combat system to something that isn't a shitty JRPG relic from a time when such things were limited because of technical inability is probably more important.

>>55269883
hey that's nothing I just came up with this great idea.

a pokemon mmorpg.
Original idea do not steal

>>55270049
Still stupid, still too limited.

HERE YOU GO OP
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yExcCRvZ17M&feature=related

it's the sauce on your pic

I'm not sure I'd want a real time pokemon but for the love of christ outside of the physical/special split nothing's really been changed in the battle system since red/blue D:

I want a pokemon tactics or something. Instead of like 10-20 classes you could have hundred <33

>>55270142
How is that limited? It allows for so many different fighting styles/combinations of attacks.

Actually being able to use the ENVIRONMENT to fight?

it'd be like actual pokemon

Maybe not real-time, but maybe PSO or FF style fighting.

I definitely agree about 3D freeroam

GROW UP OP. God I am so fucking tired of this pokemon shit.

OH SHIT MAN NEW POOKIMAN GAYM OH SHIT MAN I JUST CAME

>>55270363

>Implying I made this thread about changing up Pokemon because I love the series repetition

>>55270157
>>55270157
>>55270157

Can you imagine how many people would go on a killing spree,if they changed the fighting system to real time?
I'd only support the 3D idea,if they don't use that shitty style from Pokémon Colloseum.

It'd get fucked up somehow

and realistic graphics + pokemon might look strange

or amazing

>>55270770
Well you'd have to engage in battle, I'm sure.

I remember an Anon created a thread about this game.
It crashed around the time you meet Jessie and James.

>The next for Pokemon needs to not be Pokemon

Guys, if you don't like Pokemon this much, there are hundreds of different games you could play instead.

The goal of a 3D pokemon game I think is to have a more complete simulation of the Pokemon world. Realtime battles that incorporate the environment instead of a turn-based abstraction is a good start.

A 3D, freeroam pokemon game would be fun, but only if it was online. Fighting would have to use the WOW engine though. that way battles wouldn't be "turn based" but they wouldn't be real time either

imagine if they made the entire "pokemon world" to explore

>>55270960
but they don't have pokemon in them

I'd enjoy it just for exploring the world

but I also agree that it would probably have to have an online feature or just be an MMORPG

Idk, it would be hit or miss. Some people will hate it, some won't. I personally think it could work, but Nintendo will fuck shit up and everyone will hate it.

>>55270157
>Pickachu vs Entei

>>55271199
And Pokemon games don't have Ryu and Megaman and Sonic in them.

Do you see where I'm going with this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VznkAatH3SM&NR=1
Awesome.
Pokemon fighting game?

>>55271534
but you're saying because we want to change Pokemon we should just play other games that don't have the one thing thats appealing about Pokemon

which is the pokemon

>>55271675
OH MY GOD

>>55271675
its...beautiful

>>55271675
Awesome.

>>55271675
This needs online play. All of /v/ would play this.

So...OP wants GTA: Cerulean City.
No thanks. I play JRPGs to get away from empty sandboxes.

>>55270363

>Says to grow up
>Types in caps
>Whines about video games on the internet.

>my face

>>55272352
THIS.

OP's a fuckhead. Watch, you say this now, but as soon as Nintendo makes it, if they do, everyone will hate it, I guarantee.

>The next for Pokemon needs to be a 3D version, but of the full game

why

>>55269982
>upgrading the combat system

>implying pokemon doesn't have one of the best combat systems in any jrpg already

Also, battles must stay turn by turn, any other way would ruin the game.

I've mentioned roughly this same idea in numerous make-your-own-game threads on /v/. It desperately needs to be done. Battle should be like Quest 64. Nuff said.

>>55271675
Fuck, where can I download this?

>>55272878
People like you are holding the industry back

CHANGE IS BAD
I LOVE REHASHES

>>55272979
http://www.pokesho.com/typewild/dl.html

Thank me later..

>>55273248

people like you don't understand shit about games

DURR WHY STILL PLAY CHESS, THIS IS THE SAME REHASH SHIT THAT MY FATHER'S FATHER PLAYED FOR YEARS

>>55273248
Sure, maybe they are rehashes, but why fix a game that doesn't need fixing? If it wasn't turn by turn it wouldn't have the same feel as the Pokemon we all know and love, and it would ruin things for most people.

>>55273334
>comparing Pokemon to Chess

>>55273465

ok, if you want to get technical pokemon is closer to something like magic

either way, the point stands

>>55273256
What download link?

>>55272834

Pokemon desperately needs a combat upgrade more than anything else. It is NOTHING like the Pokemon battles depicted in the show.

>>55273773
>Implying anyone cares at all about the show
>Implying the show isn't shit
>Implying the games didn't come out before the show

>>55273773

the systems in pokemon are basically a polished & perfected version of old school JRPGs, mixed with bad ass multiplayer combat

maybe they should change the show to be more like the game

>>55273334
>comparing pokemon to chess

ahahahahahaha
inb4 you pretend it was a troll

that game would be good but incidentally the downfall of humanity

meh everything has pros and cons

>>55273905

not a troll
prove me wrong instead of greentexting and using retarded catchphrases

>>55273905
LOLITROLU!!!!11111

>>55273983
if you're so dumb that you think that pokemon is comparable to chess then you're way past the point of help

well, pokemon/street fighter/smash/starcraft/whatever, games that people still play for fun and in tournaments DO have more in common with games like magic and chess than, say, demon souls or heavy rain

>>55273607
Have you been anywhere NEAR Magic lately? Shit's even WORSE than Pokemon, and for the SAME reason.

Every new generation just adds more and more contrived battle mechanics that either end up being so powerful they're required in any competitive team (Entry hazards) or are useless and gimmicky and get sidelined (Double battles)

And do they ever bother to do any streamlining? No, it's just shit out the next iteration instead, with even more retarded garbage.

It needs to be rebuilt, from the ground up.

>>55274096
>Can't think of anything to say in response
>THATS IT ILL CALL HIM DUMB

>>55274096
>i don't know how to put forward an argument so im just going to stop posting and act like an internet tough guy

lol, whatever you say champ

>>55273256
Where the hell is the download ? There's no relevant links anywhere on the page.

>>55274204

yeah, that's a good point - pokemon and magic tournaments (and street fighter and smash and starcraft fwiw) do have to add/remove some rules to make the game viable

i didn't say that they're as finely tuned a chess, just that have something important in common with chess, whereas normal shit games like final fantasy do not.

I'm fine with keeping the combat the same, but at least give them new sound and proper animations for fuck's sake.

How long have we been using the same shitty 8-bit screeching sounds? It's ridiculous. The "animations" are even worse, when it's barely much more than a static sprite nudging to the right and shooting out a colorful wave or fire sprite.

FUND THIS GAME!

>>55274620

FUCK OFF.

I like them, and they're kept in as a respectful honor specifically for the sake of veteran trainers.

>>55274204
>Build from the ground up

What aren't you understanding here, NO ONE would like Pokemon if they changed it to a new shitty battle system, one of the main reasons people play it, and that there are always over 9000 threads about it on /v/, IS BECAUSE OF NOSTALGIA.

Even if no one had gave a fuck about nostalgia, it's just like the other anon said. It's like changing chess, it's already great, which is why it has been kept the same since the 15th fucking century. It doesn't need fixing, it is fine the way it is.

I think a system like the Mario-RPGs use,could work.Turn by turn,but with real time elements.It should definately make use of the environment.You could have like a second to chose the position you're attacking from or use just frame inputs to reduce the damage.

So...Spore's creature stage?

>>55274863

this

i think this modern bawwing about rehashes is something that comes from young kids who for some reason see games as more similar to TV or a movie. why would you watch the same movie a hundred times? well, you wouldn't. but you could play pokemon with your bros for decades.

maybe its just a matter of being young and not having played enough games to really understand their true nature? i don't know.

wait so there actually are people who think that pokemon is strategically comparable to chess

>>55269883
I don't think real time would be good. How about using Mario&Luigi's timed attacks system for the Pokemon games?

>>55274863

Chess uses strategy, and fully utilizes all of your intelligence.

Pokemon is simplistic as fuck, and has no real strategy. The only real strategic challenge in Pokemon is spending hours of pre-battle prep work honing your Pokemon's little stats. The rest is just four attacks, a simple type system (Water > Fire DURRR) and basic stat modifying abilities.

>>55275208

not exactly, but a hell of a lot closer than most vidya. read the rest of the thread.

I actually downloaded that pokemon fighting game, it's decent at first but there are only like 6 mons to choose from (Gengar, Blaziken, something...)

>>55275208
>Facepalm.jpg
You aren't getting the point, it's not the gameplay we are comparing, it's the fact that it hasn't changed and doesn't need to.

>>55275208
Pokémon never had strategy.

>>55275358

>>55275357

blah blah blah read the thread

>>55274863
But they DO change it.
Don't you get it?
They don't just leave the formula intact, they fuck with it every year.
As a result, more and more pokemon are deemed unusable. Charizard was one of the casualties this generation, and that's just sad.

I'm not saying it's broken and needs to be fixed. I'm saying it's beyond the point of no return and needs to be trashed. Nostalgia only goes so far.

>>55275197
People want the games to be like the anime.

Fuck the anime, it's full of plot hax & bullshit.

Not that Pokemon really takes any strategy, but things can get interesting online.

>>55275477

OH HAI GUISE I JUST HAD A GREAT IDEA ITS CALLED A SPINOFF TITLE ORIGINAL IDEA DO NOT STEAL

>>55275477
Yeah. Unless Pokemon takes a more drastic maneuver in changing the gameplay, strategy is practically nonexistent.

>>55275546

>read the thread

How does deluded manchildren unable to cope with the possibility of change have anything to do with the strategic quality of Pokemon?

>>55275567
They only make minor changes, they aren't changing from Turn by turn to fucking completely different styles like Street Fighter style and shit.

(Don't get me wrong that vid was awesome, but it would only be good in it's own game, not one of the real canon ones.)

>>55275596
No one wants AIM FOR THE HORN PIKACHU

Battles could just be a lot more dynamic than your demonic little speedster standing there while the slowest pokemon in the game wobbles up to it and bashes it in the face.

It doesn't even have to be anything dramatic, even a simple Mario RPG style action command system would be nice.

It's going to be the same thing as always, sorry to break it to you guys.

>>55275596
It doesn't have to be like the anime, it just has to involve a more dynamic system than "Okay, now let's take turns."

>>55275993
Sure use that in a spinoff, but nota canon one, if you don't like the Pokemon games the way they are than...Err, don't play them, it's that simple.

Pokemon makes you depend too much on your imagination. This was fine in the 90s, but there's no excuse when video games have become as good looking as they are now.

At its very core, Pokemon combat looks like nothing more than two sprites nudging the side of the screen. It resembles nothing even remotely similar to actual combat.

>>55275723
I've always believed that the series would have developed better if new Pokémon had been kept to a minimum in favour of more difference between Pokémon, individuals and species.
I knew nobody who was aware of Pikachu being better at non-electric attacks than Raichu at the time of Gen 1, for example.
What about a certain group of Pokémon (eg rock) having weaknesses in addition to elementals, such as weakness to sleep and whatnot? In return, a generally higher attack power?
How about, for the sake of argument, some rock Pokémon are extra strong, like super strong, but susceptible to sometimes falling asleep for no reason, or something, whereas another rock type might not have those strengths or weaknesses so much.
That sort of thing might add more to the choice of what Pokémon to have than just covering your rock-paper-scissors bases.

>>55269883
FUND IT

>>55276225
You really want to see your precious main series fall by the wayside as Game Freak realizes their spinoff title gets far more attention?

Remember, we're talking about the company that hasn't made a new IP since 1995. They're not going to split their focus between two major projects. It's rehashed now, but it would get a lot worse if they sideline that series in favor of working on some spinoff with a dynamic battle system because it sells more.

>>55276274
How hard is it for you faggots to understand? WE DON'T WANT ACTUAL COMBAT, it's fine the fucking way it is. Sure, update the graphics a little bit, paint the chess pieces different colors, but in reality we still want the same turn by turn system.

as long as you manchildren and pedophiles keep buying them as is, they're not going to spend any extra money to try and change the game to be new or different in any way.

pokemon is not video games.

>>55276521
I've been thinking that, but my time on /v/ has taught me the power of nostalgia, and if you had a system whereby you could trade mons from your main game to the spinoff (and it were easier to catch/train pokemon on the main games) they would compliment one another.

>>55276680
>WE DON'T WANT ACTUAL COMBAT
Speak for yourself, faggot.

>>You'd have all the pokemon's attacks forever (not having >> to replace any)
complete shit

>>55276680

>WE DON'T WANT ACTUAL COMBAT
>WE

That's the problem. No one gives a fuck about you weird nostalgia fueled Peter Pans. Pokemon's core market is made up of children. Children who would FAR prefer something that at least resembled legitimate combat.

>>55276468
It's already like that to an extent with abilities and whatnot. You'd be surprised at how often people don't realize that Croagunk & Toxicroak are healed by Water attacks. There's other little details too such as Weezing being immune to Ground attacks. Yeah it's Poison, but it's floating in the fucking air, Earthquakes shouldn't be hurting it. There's more to consider than just TYPES AND WEAKNESSES, there's abilities, moves available to each pokemon, how they fit in with the rest of the team, their stat spread, etc. Steel may be a defensive type, but Lucario is by no means a defensive pokemon.

>>55276521
>Remember, we're talking about the company that hasn't made a new IP since 1995.
Drill Dozer

OP's battle system = InviZimals ;)

>>55277107
Invizimals sucks ass. Fuck you for mentioning it. It was supposed to be the pokemon killer. I was disappointed.

>>55276521
>Implying the spinoff would get more attention.

Maybe from 9 year olds.


My point is people, as soon as everyone demands and wishes come true, Full 3D graphics, new battle system, etc. It would immediately be, well, even more of a kiddie game. Do you realize the percentage of people that still play it because they like it the way it is? Gamefreak practically created HG/SS for the older audience, it says in-game that they were trying to keep some things the same for people that played the originals.

>>55277411
Who the fuck cares if it is intertwined with morals. If it has a badass engine and runs well, I'd suffer through it for the combat.

>Go to gamestop to buy SS
>Female clerk smiles at me
>Put game box on checkout counter
>Smile suddenly turns into a look of disgust

;_;

>>55277536
Sorry, I'm not explaining it right... It won't be the same Pokemon we've been playing since we were 10. Now you will look like more of a manchild.

The Pokemon we have now is fucking FINE. The reason you people still play the games today. And even if a realistic battle system was made in the future, I guarantee it will be a fuck up, no one will like it.

>You don't know what you want.