>bad guy wants them to destroy Orphan which would result in destroying Cocoon
>good guys refuse
>after Bart is defeated
>good guys fight Orphan and try to destroy him

SHIT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE

>machina
>not machinima
>implying ff13 isn't a movie

>game about magic and gods
>god or gods intervene to change the outcome
>surprised?

Retard

dont even use deus ex machina in this shit, its about fucking god for christs sake

>>53044788
How did Serah and Dodj climb down the MILE LONG CRYSTAL TOWER so fast?

Reinstalling

>>53045471
a mage did it

>>53045282
>>53044998

>implying the term deus ex machina doesn't originate from GODS IN GREEK PLAYS RANDOMLY INTERVENING TO QUICKLY RESOLVE THE PLOT AT HAND

>implying that if any of the other fal'cie intervened to help them
>implying that if god did intervene, why didn't he just defeat Orphan himself.
>implying that it makes sense that the characters are trying to kill Orphan when doing that would destroy Cocoon

I HAVE DEFEATED YOU, VILLAIN. NOW ORPHAN IS SAFE.
I AM ORPHAN. THANK YOU, HEROES FOR SAVING ME.
>DOOM
FAGS.

>>53046283
shit ending huh?

Don't forget this one

no fal'cie=no l'cie/no focus. Fang and Vanille shouldn't remain crystal if the fal'cie is dead

>>53046793
Pulse fal'cie still exist. They are pulse l'cie. Orphan only controlled cocoon fal'cie.

>>53046283
LETS GO PROTECT ORPHAN AND KILL BARTH! ORPHAN DYING MEANS THE DEATH OF COCOON!
OH SHIT, ORPHAN IS BARTH SOMEHOW, LETS KILL IT ANYWAY

I still say "We all grew up in the same orphanage but forgot about it, except that Irvine remembers but just didn't say anything lol" is worse.

>>53047123
Yea, but didn't the one who gave them the focus get killed? I can't remember.

>LETS GO PROTECT ORPHAN AND KILL BARTH! ORPHAN DYING MEANS THE DEATH OF COCOON!
OH SHIT, ORPHAN IS BARTH SOMEHOW, LETS KILL IT ANYWAY

This still doesn't make any sense to me. That entire final boss fight didn't

>>53047266
That is worse. A lot worse, XIII's is still pretty bad though

>>53047326
What i understood of it, greentext mode

>You want to kill barth for manipulating everyone to destory orphan
>Kill Barth
>Barth dies
>Barth is actually part of being that makes up Orphan ("Together, we are Orphan.")
>Realise shit wont end unless you kill orphan
>World starts to be destroyed as expected
>Fang+Vanille turn Ragnorok but do some wierd shit that stops Pulse or some meteor or some shit from falling on to Cocoon
>Cocoon saved
>No more cocoon fal'cie = everyone saved

Now here's the kicker. As i said, fang + vanille are pulse falcie, so they would remain crystal, due to what yousaid. However, Lightning + co were also Pulse l'cie. SHIT DONT MAKE SENSE

>>53047596
Did you forget

LOL WE GOT A NEW FOCUS

BUT THEN WHO WAS THEIR FAL'CIE?

I just sat back and enjoyed the pretty cutscenes

>>53047829
Ah yeah. The whole new focus shabang. But then they shouldnt have turned crystal in the first place.
God damnit, someone make sense of this. I even understood Necron, but this shit? Damn..
The last cutscene was pretty satisfying though. I'll even admit Leona Lewis almost sounded like it fit in. I didnt really get that "Holy fuck its over oh god no please dont be over i want more i want to see more of the characters fuck no.." feeling in my stomach, although i was displeased that my long adventure was over.

So, what is this FF about?
Feel free to spoil everything for me, as I won't play it.

>>53048190
Fal'cie = almost gods who give people tasks + powers to acheive the tasks
l'cie = said people with powers + tasks, turn crystal if they acheive their task for everlasting life.
crew get turned into l'cie.
get told their fate is to destroy cocoon
fang + vanille are actually 600 years old and had the same task before but failed and have to redo it
guy manipulates the world to get them to destroy each other
go after the guy
kill him
guy is actually sort of the battery of the world, without him it dies
kill him anyway
vanille + fang save the world from destruction
everyone wins

>>53048530
thefuckamireading.jpg

So, if you win, you get turned into a crystal..
And they kill the world's battery but save the world? What is cocoon?

>>53048697
Cocoon is a giant moon like world floating in low atmosphere over Gran Pulse. It was made by the Fal'Cie for God knows what reason.

>>53048697
Cocoon is the name of the world.
If you win, turned into a crystal. If you lose, become a monster. Sort of like FF10 if i remember.
However, last minute "OH BTW THE MAGICAL GUY WHO GAVE YOU YOUR TASK DECIDED ITS DIFFERENT NOW" means you dont turn into a crystal, except fang + vanille. all cast live except those two, who are granted 'eternal life', so its possible for some wizadry to bring them back if 13-2 happens.

They save it by stopping the meteor that will destory it by fang + vanille doing some wierd shit.

>>53049039
And what is Gran Pulse? Like Earth basically?

DESU DESU DESU DESU DESU

>>53049048
Sounds dumb.
>wierd
You're not a very good storyteller, sir. :(

>>53049150
Neither are you

>>53049150
Fuck you its 2am. Cut me some slack.
Gran Pulse is like an empty world where fang + vanille come from. its seen as evil kind of. sort of like terra/gaia in ix i guess?

>>53049073
Yes

The cutscene where Ragnarok saved Cocoon from falling made so little sense goddamn. OH SHIT YELLOW PUKE EVERYWHERE, SUDDENLY CRYSTALAN

>>53049288
Hey fuck you.

>>53049299
Oh, desolate place where almost no one lives? Mk. I know shit about FF, so just asking about the story.

>>53049073

Think of it like this:

Gran pulse is Earth, but after the humans fucked it up, the "God" created Fal'cie who made Caccoon so that they could protect the humans.

***SPOILERS***
but really you discover that they wanted to separate the humans into an inescapable world where they could populate and then ultimately sacrifice the lot when they were ready to blood-summon the God again to create a world just for the Fal'cie.

>>53049518
So the Fal'cie (almost god dudes) wanted to sacrifice humans for the Fal'cie only world?

>>53049518
I didnt know this. Where did you find this out? Or am i just blind deaf and dumb.

>>53049518
Fal'Cie and Humans were made at the same time.

>>53049571
Yeah. The fal'Cie wanted to be with their Maker again, see. So they planned to use everyone in Cocoon as a sacrifice to summon him.

>>53049685
He never said otherwise :3c

>>53049571
What I got was that the Fal'Cie were sick of not knowing their purpose and wanted to meet the maker. Sort like like they were trying to figuring out their focus. Focus is a huge theme of the game.

>>53049802
Ohhh. So the main plot is like save the world from the fal'cie who want to kill everyone to summon god? Something like that? Sounds like a clusterfuck

>>53049730

>The fal'Cie wanted to be with their Maker again, see. So they planned to use everyone in Cocoon as a sacrifice to summon him.

Should've just tried spreading The Chant to the four corners of the world.

>>53050013
Exactly. And it isnt really, the plot is simple with confusing names, with extra shit if you want to read deeper into it.

>>53050013
Yes, that's the main plot.

Your characters start off trying to stop "the purge" (a fal'cie from pulse was discovered on Cocoon) and the Big Bad uses this as a means to start panic and chaos in Cocoon. The main heroes become L'cie and are given a focus. For a long time they think their focus is to save cocoon, turns out it's to destroy it. Big Bad says: Kill Orphan and destroy cocoon so I can meet the maker. Good guys say no. Get to the ending and good guys KILL ORPHAN ANYWAY

>>53050013
I'll also add yuo were made l'cie to destroy the world yourself - as fal'cie cannot harm Orphan - the way to destroy the world. You try to run away from this fate, but the main dude, Barth, is a smart motherfucker and leads you thruogh your hate, anger and shit.

Wow, you guys totally suck at summaries.

There are two competing nations. One is Cocoon, which like a hollow planet that people live inside. It floats over the other nation called gran pulse.

There are two types of cognitive species in xiii: humans and fal'cie. Fal'cie are immensely powerful magical creatures that have one task and are restricted to that only task. They can do nothing else, so they invented l'cies.

A l'cie is a human that was branded by a fal'cie and given a task and some of the fal'cies magic to accomplish it. To entice the human to complete the task they are promised everlasting life in crystal stasis when they complete it, but if they fail they are turned into monsters that are undying tormented souls.

Humans however view either conclusion to being a l'cie to effectively mean death, and noone wants to be one.

>>53050291
So what happens in the ending? No god gets summoned?

What I also don't get is this: Bart says Ragnarok is the only way to destroy a Fal'Cie, but the party destroyed that Fal'Cie on pulse, defeated Bart and then defeated Orphan without going to Ragnarok

>>53050397
nope. Fang and Vanille become ragnarok, stop the meteor from crashing into Cocoon and turn it into one giant iceball (hence the game's logo). Everyone from Cocoon is transported to Pulse and they all live happily ever after. Fang and Vanille are frozen together in time to perform everlasting cunnilingus on one another

The fal'cie wanted to destroy cacoon and its millions of people because the souls of those people would leave their body and return to the god that created them, and apparently with millions of souls going to that god at once it would split open a 'gate' into the beyond where that God departed to, or so the fal'cie think.

When Fang tried to destroy cacoon the first time when she turned to ragnarok, didn't it say that the 'goddess' felt pity for the people of cocoon and stopped her? So does that mean that the god/gods didn't really depart after all or what, or am I getting this wrong.

>>53050395

There are fal'cie of both nations. The fal'cie in cocoon make the planet work. They provide the food, weather, light, power, and everything for the humans. They built everything. Humans just live there.

The humans of each nation were taught that the other nation was evil and wants to destroy them. Cocoon was persuaded that any being from gran pulse would disrupt their harmonious world, so they greatly fear it.

A gran pulse fal'cie infiltrates cocoon, and the government of cocoon tries to clean up the mess. They are worried that the fal'cie could have corrupted (made l'cies) of anyone in the town that it had made its presence, so the gov't rounds up everyone from there and starts to kill them.

>>53050660
The main characters (there is no single protagonist) venture to this pulse fal'cie for their own reasons and succeed in destroying it; however, it turns them into its own l'cies before it dies. Their focus (mission by the fal'cie) is to destroy cocoon. Now they are on a run from the gov't.

Much of this story is based around the character's interactions with each other, and for the first 25 hours of the game they are simply are on a run from the gov't and growing closer to each other.

The entire game has this theme of doomed destiny. If they destroy cocoon, they become a crystal. If they don't they suffer a fate worse than death. Either way, they're fucked, and they hate it.

>>53050604
I meant stop cocoon from crashing into Pulse

>>53050395
>suck at summaries
>incoming 10 posts of story
>doesnt know what a summary is

>>53050962
Now I'm even more confused from before I asked. Oh well

>>53051065
I imagine you've picked up the main idea of the plot. What dont you get?

>>53050604
>>53050604
Lol, but no. That "giant meteor" was Cocoon itself. They had to stop it from crashing into Pulse, even though everyone had evacuated already. Or something.

Fuck this game.

>>53051065

Just go read the description on wikipedia or something

>>53051123
Yeah, I get that now. It's just all this added shit from Mr. Summary/Story that clusterfucked everything

>>53050870

The main characters eventually escape cocoon and get to gran pulse. Two of the characters are actually - unknown to the player for some time - from gran pulse themselves and were given the same task long ago.

They all reach gran pulse in an attempt to escape their fate, as they are informed they are the only ones that can destroy cocoon.

It is revealed that the fal'cie of cocoon itself wish for the planet to be destroyed, so they have been assisting them. They can not destroy themselves because they are restricted to their own jobs. Instead they aid the l'cie in destroying it.

Cocoon fal'cie want it dead to revive the maker (the god that created fal'cie and humans). The only way to do so is to sacrifice all the humans that they have been specifically nurturing for exactly this reason in cocoon.

Anyways, back to pulse. The group ventures around pulse (this is vaguely unnecessary as a part of the story). They find that all humans are extinct on pulse. This is never explained.

>>53051216
He's explaining everything. Which was confusing for most people who played the damn game, nevermind picking it up from text.

>>53051351
Yes, but it feels like two people trying to explain the same shit now and a lot of repeating.

>>53051189
yea see >>53050944

twas a typo on my part

>>53051237
Cocoon fal'cie eventually get the main party by convincing them that they have manipulated some humans in cocoon to try and overthrow the fal'cie leadership and destroy the fal'cie themselves (which would destroy cocoon - known to the party, unknown to these humans).

So the party returns, hunts down the fal'cie is manipulating them. They destroy him only to learn that the fal'cie which powers cocoon ALSO wants to die. They decide to kill him too.

The important line here is "we live to make the impossible possible."

This is all another big theme about the purpose of fal'cie and humanity.

Anyways, in the end cocoon is going to crash after it dies, but 2 of the party members use the magic they were given to destroy cocoon instead to save it. Those two turn into crystals.

The rest of the party are resolved of their focus without the fal'cie to bind them to it, and live on.

The end.

>>53051460
Read:
>>53049048

>>53049518
>>53050384

Should cover most of it. Excuse my horrid typing - im at my parents with a keyboard that says "Designed for Windows 95" on it. Sucks dick.

>>53051237
>They find that all humans are extinct on pulse. This is never explained.
Pulse fal'Cie turned them all (literally, each and every to the last one) into l'Cie and sent them onto petty foci to hunt overgrown monsters or some other shit like that.
Eventually most of them failed and turned into Cie'th.
There's a reason Oerba is overrun by them.

This is what mission summaries (that are all given in-character from pulse l'Cie who failed their focus and became the stone Cie'th you pick the missions from) suggest.

>>53051572
>without the fal'cie

Orphan controlled Cocoon fal'cie.
When it died, only cocoon fal'cie died.
Pulse fal'cie still live.
Squad is pulse l'cie.
No sense.

>>53050962
>>doesn't know what a summary is

actually, you clearly don't. please look up the definition of a summary. this game is 60 hours long. its plot can not be summarized in the 6 sentences you provided.

So everything was in the palm of Barts hand? Why the hell would he sacrifice himself to reach the maker? Doesn't he want to be ALIVE to see him?

What a ridiculous plot. Fucking stupid ass writers.

>>53051801
Not just that...but the party killed the fal'cie that gave them their focus at the start of the game

OKAY THANK YOU ALL FOR EXPLAINING THE STORY OF FINAL FANTASY THIRTEEN, I APPRECIATE ALL THE HELP
>>53051651
>Windows 95
I forgive you for anything you have ever done.

>>53051914
I think that they think the maker will 're-make' them.

>>53051985
They killed Anima? I thought they just pissed it off.

Resonance of Fate > FFXIII

>>53051801
i'd have to replay the end, but they mention they were given a new focus at the end and receive the same dull brands that fang had. I'm not entirely sure what the differences are between a white and black brand, but I assume they were given their new focus by one of the fal'cie that perish in cocoon's aftermath.
Vanille and Fang were not given that new focus because that were not present for it. They instead were being tortured by orphan.
So those two still have the same focus, which is likely two fold: become ragnorok, and kill orphan. Both were accomplished, so they turn to crystal.

The rest of the party no longer has a fal'cie, so they lose their brands.

My take...makes sense, i think

>>53051914
LOL HE JUST WANTED TO DIE. He needed ragnarok to kill him, even though your party eventually kills him without Ragnarok and then kills Orphan without Ragnarok. Not to mention the other two Fal'Cie they killed without Ragnarok. Also, why did Cid just go "LOL, I'll do what Bart tells me to."

>>53052172
White doesnt grow, so they have like, unlimited time, i think.

>>53052172
Yea, but they don't explain who gave them the new Focus. Just that they have a new focus: LOL. I assume that it's the goddess or whatever. Not sure.

but as OP pointed out DEUS EX MACHINA

read dem analects

>It's like I'm playing Transformers!!!

Cocoon fal'cie didn't die when Orphan was killed. Why would they?

its the same thing as with CID RAINES YOU FUCKS

did you play the game? he didnt complete his focus but turned to crystal, he said if you follow whats in your heart your focus doesnt matter at all

>>53051914
fal'cie are parallel and completely different beings from humans. They have separate existences and motivations from humans. As the player gets their take on the events from a human perspective, we, like the humans, can not fully understand them.

This was justified in the writing.

best game ever

>>53052099
Don't know if it died, but it turned into crystal

>>53044297
>FUCKING DEUS EX MACHINA

there was no deus ex machina in ffxiii. everything was justified. i think you heard this phrase recently and wanted to sound cool.

you're an idiot.

Fang and Vanille had a hard life.

Good lord dude.

I thought FF8 was confusing. This is just getting ridiculous. I'm guessing that it makes more sense if you play through but the plot sounds fuckall weird. I mean the main concept of the plot sounds fine, something like demigods are pissed as shit and you need to stop it, followed by plot-twist from hell, but beyond that is just craziness.

I kind of get the ending - only mystery for me is how they escaped the whole l'cie thing at the end.

Given a new focus? They'd still have brands.
Focus complete? They'd stay crystal.

>>53052289
it's actually relatively unimportant, which is why it was left out of the writing. It doesn't honestly matter what happens to the main characters at the end of the story because the entire thing was about the survival of cocoon and humanity's freedom from the tyranny of fal'cie oppression. Both of these were resolved in the end regardless of whether or not the characters themselves live on.

However, since the character writing in itself was the most impressive part of the story, and presented the other theme of defying fate (which was for them to perish), it could be equally important in itself. Their ability to achieve a new brand was defying fate. it was a justified story arch, and helped resolve that part of the story.

>>53052624
>I'm guessing that it makes more sense if you play through

It is. It's just a bit confusing on 4chan because there's like 10 different people explaining random parts of the game all at once.

>>53052469
>there was no deus ex machina in ffxiii
>everything was justified

So the characters randomly and inexplicably (even by their own accord) turning for Cie'th back to normal and getting "a new focus" isn't a deus ex machina. It is the epitome of deus ex machina. They might as well have had the maker come down and resurrect them all then and there.

>>53052409
He did complete his focus.
He was given a new one after it.
There's a reason why he went emo and asked his second to shoot him dead.

>>53052663
They did turn in to crystals though. How they managed to turn back AND lose their brand is a complete mystery. Also how they managed to revert from being C'ieth..i mean wtf...really?

>>53052764
They didnt turn Cie'th. It was a trick played by Barth or Orphan or whoever. I dunno where the others disappeared to though.

>spend entire game refusing to kill Orphan
>do it anyway

>Bart wants Orphan dead so Pulse the Maker will return
>party kills Orphan
>no Maker in sight

>Fang and Vanille have 500-year-old Focus to destroy Cocoon
>they prevent its destruction
>crystallized

God, this shit makes no sense.

>>53052663
new focus from unknown source. the characters don't know how they lost their brands or how they got new ones either, and we don't because we see it through their eyes. All they know is they achieved the impossible, which is something they worked for the entire game.

One possible explanation is stated, however. They got their new brands from a fal'cie that perished in orphan's demise.

>>53052747
>it's actually relatively unimportant, which is why it was left out of the writing. It doesn't honestly matter what happens to the main characters at the end of the story because the entire thing was about the survival of cocoon and humanity's freedom from the tyranny of fal'cie oppression. Both of these were resolved in the end regardless of whether or not the characters themselves live on.

The story is also about the characters, if it wasn't the story would not be character driven and we'd have a birds eye view of the events taking place. But we don't, we have a personal view. Also, shit would not have been solved if the characters weren't deus ex machina'd into coming back to human form from being Cie'ths. The game doesn't even try to hide that it couldn't explain it.

Also, the character writing sucked. As I've said before. Characters were cliched. Their points of view on everything was cliched black and white and the dialogue was abysmal.

>>53052764
>They might as well have had the maker come down and resurrect them all then and there.

that's what I personally think happened during that part where they turn into cie'th

>>53052937
Either way still a deus ex machina and a huge plot hole that the creators didn't even bother to explain

>>53052764

they were never actually turned into cieth. That was an illusion provided by orphan to destroy the wills of fang and vanille so they would become ragnorok. This plan backfires because they underestimated humanity, which is something that was greatly explained in the final chapter when they were talking to orphan.

>>53053017
Okay, this shit can make sense.
>Pulse l'cie
>Cocoon fal'cie takes over their original focus and gives a new one
>Cocoon fal'cie dies
>No focus anymore

>>53053037
It's what I think too.

>>53052990
All the seemingly bad writing was made up with that awesome scene when they return to cocoon. That was fucking amazing

Sorry but this is a poorly written conclusion.

To those who haven't seen the ending, it will be both awkward and disappointing. Even with the nice graphics, Fang and Vanille AND their VA's manage to make the ending even shittier than it was. Ragnarok? Underwhelming beast. What the fuck?

>>53053030
see
>>53053017

>>53053237
>HOLY SHIT THEY ARE RACING FUCKING EIDOLENS FUCK ME THIS IS AWESOME

The camera moved too fast for half of the action cut scenes i couldnt tell what was going on.

>>53053136
So still a deus ex machina in the end. THE POWER OF HUMANITY CAN TRUMP ANYTHING. And if not a deus ex machina a shitty Shounen manga plot device.

I'd like to point out - the fuck is a deus ex machina. I have no idea.

You don't get to fight Titan either.
Why even bother showing him to us then!?

>>53053237
i wonder if the cutscenes were modified in game characters. It seems like ff always had completely separate engines for cutscenes and in game.

>>53053355
But it's still a major plot hole because it's left unexplained. Character's couldn't explain it and the game didn't bother to explain it. Something that was that important (story would not have ended the way it did, if they didn't come back) should not be left for random (albeit good) speculation.

I'm out bros. I'm gonna bring this up again in a thread tomorrow or some shit so we can try and make some god damn sense of this.

>>53053408

seriously, deus ex machina requires a god to fix their problems unjustified. Their survival was justified, and the way they did is explainable, but it wasn't, because we're are provided a limited perspective of the events from the point of view of the characters.

They did turn to crystal, they turned back. They don't know how, but this was nothing new by the end, as other characters had turn to crystal and come back already. You're just trying to make arguments here, or you have zero formal education in storytelling.

>>53053562
i can understand this point of view, and i, too, actually would rather it had gone explained. As usual, though, the story was written by multiple people, and i feel like the disconnect was present in the end. However, as i've been saying, the story does hold up on its own as justifiably constructed, but maybe not in the best possible way.

My overall impression on writing is that the story is intriguing but not great, and the characters are not great but very well written.

>>53053468
Deus ex machina means God from the machine. It was a plot device used in Ancient Greek plays. Playwrights would write their characters/story into a corner that they couldn't get out of and so they'd have a god come down from a wire on stage and go BADABING BADABOOM and thus resolve the conflict (usually the gods wouldn't be a part of the story at hand, but would just show up at the end anyway). Even during it's time, ancient critics mocked this technique. The term as now been broadened to mean any in explicable or sudden resolution to a major problem/situation in a story due to an abrupt introduction to a character, object, power etc.

>>53047266
FFFFFFFFFFFF, not only did that make no sense at all, it could have been left out entirely without making a lick of difference to the overall plot(which was also really dumb, it's like they intentionally screwed up the most awesome concepts they could think of as badly as they could)

Fang and Vanille's focus was actually to save cocoon.

>>53053798
>They did turn to crystal, they turned back.

Vanille says 'wake up' and they do just that, so maybe Vanille and Fang could control that shit or maybe it was god.

>>53051237
>They find that all humans are extinct on pulse. This is never explained.

Titan killed them.

>>53054099
see, i can see how this point of view on the ending. I was also underwhelmed by the conclusion of this issue. The whole story they're like:
WERE FUCKED
BUT WELL FIND A WAY IN THE END

and i was hoping for some fantastic (excuse my puns) unexpected explanation for how they could live on that would also explain white brands, black brands, reviving from crystals, turning to cystals, etc, etc, but it wasn't.

I however was distracted by what i thought was a great use of fang and vanille's characters at the end, as well as pretty graphics, so i hold an optimistic view of the story.

>>53054335
when was this explained? That makes no sense AT ALL

Let's face it, there are a few things about L'cie and Fal'cie that we don't know, and that is why some things don't make sense.

fap /v/

>>53053798
>>53053798
>seriously, deus ex machina requires a god to fix their problems unjustified.

No it doesn't. A deus ex machina just has to be any plot device that's introduced suddenly and abruptly that quickly fixes the problem in the story at hand (it originally use to mean gods descending from machines on stage, but it's been long since broadened).

>because we're are provided a limited perspective of the events from the point of view of the characters.

We're provided limited perspectives in many stories. Doesn't make something less a deus ex machina. A story is based off the perspective it is told. If I tell a story from a first-person point of view and I'm about to get shot but suddenly you come in (never mentioned before in the story) and save the day, then that is a deus ex machina. Now, If I told the story differently and mention you and how you were tracking me down or tracking down the killer because he killed your brother and you got a tip from my mother that I was going to confront said killer and you raced there quickly, then it wouldn't be a deus ex machina. But perspective plays a big part in storytelling. Heros/villains can change by perspective. Take Paradise lost, from it's perspective Satan is the protagonist, but if I made an epic poem based on God's point of view, Satan would become the antagonist.

>>53054544
whereas this was justified that it needs to happen and could happen, just not how it happened. calling this deus ex machina is overkill.

but lightning has pink hair.

>>53054488

she never led on that she had hips like this