Sorry, no.

L2PlotDevice

god tier is villians who are evil because they think they are doing the right thing. fuckoff

SHIT TIER: Villain who is "evil".

best

where is "Villains who are actually the good guys and you killl them"

>>52383997
Especially if you can understand their logic.

One true god tier

You are the villain.

>>52383997
This

>>52383807
Kool, this makes my favorite FF villain a god tier one.

Galaxy Tier

Intelligent psychotic mastermind villains who orchestrate total chaos and destruction for the sake of their own amusement.

Villains who do wrong because they think it is right belongs in God Tier.

Darth Vader, Saren, etc.

Ex.

God Tier = Pisaro from Dragon Quest 4: seeks revenge on the world because of the persecution of his elven girlfriend.

High Tier = Jon Irenicus from Baldur's Gate 2: wants to be evil because of the hardships in his youth (forced to become a mage, hated by his peers).

Meh Tier = Kefka from Final Fantasy 6: wants to rule the world for the sake of ruling the world.

Low Tier = Exdeath, Sephiroth, Kuja, more.

Shit Tier = Ultimecia, FF9's final boss

This tier makes no sense. The best villain is the one that suits the storyline best. Not to mention villains who motivated by more than one of these.

>>52384142
Dark Brain?

>watchmen
there you go, ultimate god tier villain

lol

>>52384176
>Ultimecia, FF9's final boss
wat

>>52384330

I listed both Ultimecia and FF9's final boss. I'm not saying she is FF9's final boss. I'm talking about that giant statue thing in FF9.

>>52384176
>Shit Tier = Ultimecia
Explain yourself.

The troubled youth thing, hell, even the wronged by the world thing seems over played. Power seeking Magnificent Bastards have always been my favorite.

Pic releated. I LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE his type (albeit, the English localisation did improve from his original bumbling Japanese role)

>>52384176

>seeks revenge for the death of his girlfriend

This is a really stupid plot device.

The best kind of villain is the kind who is pure fucking evil You can't even like the bastard.

You know, the fucker that enjoys breaking the necks of puppies because 'The little fuckers just sound so cute when they snap.' and then he proceeds to rip the tits off Wonder Woman to see if they are real.

Why does he do all of this? Because he thinks its awesome.

What is his ultimate goal? To rape every bitch he sees and kill everything that lives. He wants to spread extinction and pain everywhere and is enough of a bad ass to accomplish his goal without too much standing in his way.

By that chart, almost every Zelda game has a God Tier villain. Lol.

>>52384176
Think you mean Necron broskie

>BAAAAWWW NO ONE LIKES ME. I'M A TURN EVIL

Worst fucking villain ever.

Ultimate God Tier: Villains who are doing the right thing

Isn't there villains who are doing it just cause they can?

>>52383807
I would put Chaotic Villain above Asspained Villain.

Otherwise, I'm okay with this.

>>52384176

>wants to be evil because of the hardships in his youth (forced to become a mage, hated by his peers).

I don't think you played BG2.

Also God Tier.


Villains who manipulate the heroes into thinking the are doing the right thing only to royally fuck their shit up

Over god tier: Villains who aren't evil.

>>52384374
Oh ok, i took it as you thought Ultimecia WAS ff9's final boss.
But yeah, necron was a retarded twist.

>Villains who are only revealed at the very end.

But that's half the fucking fun.

People who likes villains are emo fags or agst teens.
/thread

Villains who are evil just for the sake of being evil are the best, faggot.

Joker, anyone?

>>52384495
Hitler?

>>52384176

Did you play ff7? Sephiroth was evil because he was "punishing" those people who had killed off what he thought was his ancestors in the Ancients.

Him being wrong about his genealogy doesn't change the fact he thought he was wronged by the world.

Also: Bing evil because the world persecuted your elvan gf? Probably the worst motivation I've ever heard for a game.

>god
power

>mid
to be evil

>shit
troubled youth

God tier is villains who think they are doing the right thing, but are betrayed at one point by the TRUE EVIL VILLAIN, and then join your party.

I wish I could think of some examples, but this is a pretty badass concept.

>Implying I am not beyond good or evil.

>>52384566
WOULD YOU KINDLY?!

>>52384027
>where is "Villains who are actually the good guys and you killl them"

Shaylamandias Tier.

>>52384459

12-year-old detected.

Villains who start out as heroes but are consumed by hatred and revenge and slowly descend into madness

-Darth Vader
-Arthas

Shit tier is capable of being god tier with the right foreshadowing.
When it comes out of fucking nowhere like Vesperia then it is total fucking shit.

>>52384647
You could argue that he was wronged by the world.

Depends really, he's never had a solid telling of his past.

OP, you missed out villains being evil in an attempt to save more lives in the long run.

Like... Saren, I guess.

>>52384176
According to OP's image, Sephiroth belongs either in high or god tier.

>>52384684
... Magus from Chrono Trigger?

>>52384647

This. I enjoy battling against something that cannot be reasoned with, something or someone with no moral compass whatsoever. I fucking hate all the "WAAAAAAHHH THE WORLD MADE ME THIS WAY" faggot villains. Give me a Kefka any day, he was just plain batshit insane. HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE!

So what would Lavos fall under from Chrono Trigger?

That shit was complex

Villains who are evil whilst thinking they are doing good are the god tier.
Villains who are evil because the world wronged them are just emo fucktards.

>>52384176
>God Tier = Pisaro from Dragon Quest 4: seeks
>revenge on the world because of the persecution of
his elven girlfriend.
fag
>High Tier = Jon Irenicus from Baldur's Gate 2: wants
>to be evil because of the hardships in his youth
>(forced to become a mage, hated by his peers).
fag
Meh Tier = Kefka from Final Fantasy 6: wants to rule the world for the sake of ruling the world.
fag but a little better than those two
Low Tier = Exdeath, Sephiroth, Kuja, more.
who
Shit Tier = Ultimecia, FF9's final boss
who

According to OP, Mithos is god tier
I find this amusing.

Villians that are evil for the sake of being evil are pretty cool.

but you forgot the one villain that fucks up some of your tier list

>Dr. Robotinik

Some of my favourite antagonists are the ones who are some sort of god or entity that is above the moralfaggotry of silly mortals.

Where's the villains who are evil because they turn out to be in some way related to a space alien that wanted to use the planet and therefore he tries to help his mother by almost destroying the world leaving it in such a weak state he could use it?

>>52384176

Your examples are bad and you should feel bad

>>52384684

>>52384176
>Shit Tier = Ultimecia

>>52384136 here.
Explain this.

>Lavos tier
>Villains who are beyond mortal comprehension and are essentially physical gods.

God Tier.
Villains who are evil even though they think they are doing good.
High Tier
Villains who are just batshit insane, aka evil for the sake of evil.
Good tier.
Villains seeking power.
Low Tier.
Villains who are only revealed at the end.
Shit tier.
Villains who are evil because they have been wronged by the world.
Worse-than-shit tier.
Villains who are evil because of a troubled youth.
Emo faggots can DIAF.

>>52384862
screwed up the greentext, owell

i think it would be cool to see a villain who was pretty much in control of everything and was fucking over the humans because logically it was the best thing to do, and the hero thinks it's wrong because of human emotions or something and the hero ends up failing in his quest because it was hopeless anyway

is there anything like that

God Tier: Villain who makes you debate if YOU'RE doing the right thing.

So what about KOTOR 2 she was evil because the universe and the force was fucked up and had wronged her but she didn't become evil until the end.

>>52385020
Fuck yes you are the best tier ever.

>>52385020
This list is SO much better

>>52384684
that's like ff4

So Tales villains are God Tier? lol

People that are evil for the sake of being evil are only good if they're clowns.

The Joker and Kefka.

>>52384007
>SHIT TIER: Villain who is "evil".

This. For any work of fiction to have an antagonist that is portrayed as evil, most of the time its because said fictional work is religious shit for 12 year olds and manchildren.

>>52385141
The Major disagrees.

>>52385111
Except for the "join your party" part.

>>52384684

amidoinitrite?

>>52383807
Troubled Youth and Seeking Power should both be below Evil for the Sake of Evil.

God tier: Villains who are literally just assholes who enjoy fucking with people.

>>52384647

>evil just for the sake of being evil

>Joker

Nah.

God tier needs to include villains who don't realize they are evil.

>>52385193
...I said good.

>Vergil
>Meh tier

>>52385071

Lavos isn't really evil, as far as we know. He is no more evil than Galactus. They eat worlds, that is what they do.

i agree

>>52385020
>Villains who are evil because of a troubled youth
I don't get it. How does a troubled youth make you evil?

>>52385020
The increasing approval of this list on /v/ shows me that /v/irgins don't have a fucking clue about fleshed out characters.

>HOLY SHIT THIS GUY IS A BADASS MOFO WHOA SO EVIL HE WANTS TO KILL STUFF STUMPS ON LITTLE PUPPIES FOR NO REASON AND SHIT

Go fuck yourself, /v/.

>>52385306
>Implying there has not been multiple stories about The Joker.

>>52385306
>One of Joker's many fake origin stories.

Nice try, bro.

/thread

>>52385306
>I don't understand differing plotlines

>no Lavos Tier

>>52385141
they were both completely neurotic, they weren't evil for the sake of being evil. if you're thinking of alfred's line "some men just want to watch the world burn," that was basically a simplified interpretation of joker's motives

tl;dr he was clinically insane

>>52385410
>implying mid tier, shit tier, and bologna tier aren't all the same thing

>>52385381
Remember that it's weekend now and most people posting on /v/ right now are underage b&

>>52385410
>God tier
>Every fucking Tales of game ever.

God Tier
Villains who are not evil.
Fuck yes, You think Hitler was Evil? He believed in what he was doing.
Truman was Evil

>>52385340

good point. What tier for those that aren't 'evil' per se, but just happen to blow shit up as a side effect of their natural instincts (Jenova, the Reapers, etc)

>>52385410
FUCK YEAHHH

The best villains are the ones which do not think they are villains but the saviours

The best antagonists are the ones who are fighting against one or many flaws in society or in the protagonist.

There are way too many games where the antagonist is an "ultimate evil without reason or understanding". It's much more interesting if you can sympathize with the antagonist on some level.

>>52384873

I think Mithos is god tier too :3

brofist.jpg

Just no.

Titan Tier - Doin' it for teh Lulz

ITT: People don't know the difference between a villain and an antagonist
If the antagonist is the one actually doing the right thing, they aren't really a villain now are they?

>>52385492
And nothing is wrong with that.

I'M GOING TO KILL YOU, AND CARVE YOUR NAME INTO MY BLOOD

God tier:
Villan with a twisted sense of morality.

>>52385529
They are more like natural disasters than actual villains

>>52385577
The best villains are the ones that you can relate with and say "Oh shit, this guy is right. Should I really stop him?". But of course, LOLJRPGs.

>>52385586
Not accepting that brofist bro, because I find it amusing because Mithos was an absolutely shit villain who hasn't stopped fucking crying over his sister for 4000 fucking years.

>>52385620

>impyling /v/irgins know the difference between antagonists, villains, and anti-heroes

>>52385390
>>52385411

Wow, you totally missed the point on that one so I'll explain it for you.

You don't KNOW Joker's origin story, so you can't place him on that list.

>>52385521
It depends on what you believed, many people believed in Hitler. But many disagreed with him because of the actions of his army and propaganda.

Even so, there were many American, British, French etc supporters of Hitler.

>>52385620

Try to explain to /v/ that Hitler is nto a villain

>>52385574
>>52385410

No guys, just thinking that they're doing the right thing doesn't make them special; that happens all the time. They have to be able to really justify what they're doing to the point that it is difficult to argue that they're wrong.

>>52384015
>>52383997

agreed

>>52384176
i don't think you played baldur's gate. he is evil because he was wronged by his people in his youth for seeking power...

What about villains who are doing it for pussy?

>>52384015
You read in my mind

>>52385306
Did you read the Killing Joke?

Multiple choice origins, etc.

>>52385410
Shit Tier has been proven wrong.

Antagonist != evil.

>>52385773
High tier at minimum, but Lezard is one of the only motherfuckers who'd go into that category. At least in the vidya.

>>52385529

Seconded.

>>52385620
If I'm playing as the Villain, that doesn't mean he has to be doing "the right thing" for him to be the protagonist. Being the Protagonist just makes him the central character.

Ubber Tier

Kefka Palazzo

God Tier

The others

Shit Tier
Kuja

Herp Derp Tier
Sigma

Overrated Tier
Sephirot

>>52385693

In this case, I'd consider sentience the difference between a natural disaster and antagonist/villain

>>52385757
Hitler absolutely loved dogs.

>>52385873
But being the antagonist doesn't make you a villain either.

Shit Tier can become God-Beater tier if its a horror game. Because if you know what ultimate monster you are fighting and haven't only gotten small indeterminable glimpses of it. Then the horror effect is most likely lost.

>ZOMBIE TIER: Villain who is evil because it knows nothing more than to be evil.

>>52383997
>>52383807

So on one hand.. most Tales of Villains are shit tier since they're only revealed to be the villain at the end.. but on the other hand god tier since they truely believe they're doing what's best (from Dhaos wanting to destroy all magitek research since it was draining mana from the world that he needed to create a mana seed to save his dying world on to the present), and Kefka is all over the place.. troubled youth due to botched magitek infusion, and then becomes evil for the sake of being evil and he seeks power.

>>52385927
I agree with you on that.

God Tier
Dr.Doom

>>52385805

>>52385852
Everyone has a lost love and trouble youth. That shit's gay and doesn't cause people to be evil for shit.

Luca Blight was one of the best villians ever.
He just wanted everything to burn.

GOD TIER: A villain who you start to hate during the game

Sure is angsty teen ITT

>>52385698
Like Hitler?

>>52385410
lex luthor says fuck your shit.
if it wasnt for superman, lex would cure cancer.

he was wronged into existence. god tier...yeah, sounds about right.

>>52385620
>>52385620
>ITT: People don't know the difference between a villain and an antagonist
>If the antagonist is the one actually doing the right thing, they aren't really a villain now are they?

You got a point there. There are antagonists in almost all fictional works and they are easy to spot.

In the other hand, morals are relative. What's right and what's wrong depends on the eye of the beholder. Who is the villian will be always relative.

>>52385998

Yes, Hitler was god tier.

A bit too insane but still god tier

>>52383807

no anti-villains?

Villains who are creating a better world that just so happens to not include you.

Read: Not the same as a Villain who believes in "Ends justify the means".

>>52384943
Is Kain really a villain though? Sure he's portrayed as a villain from Raziels point of view, but he always thought of the greater good.

YOU CANNOT COMPREHEND THE TRUE NATURE OF THIS TIER.

>>52385965

>>52385840
Umm, what?

Antagonist factorial is villain?

Antagonist who is doing something for the greater good, revealed a bit into the story after first using the hero to further his ideal right here.
Not a big fan of Abyss for various reasons, but Van really is a good antagonist.

Fuck awesome final boss fight too.

An example of a heroic antagonist, and villainous protagonist: Death Note. I know, it's emo and weaboo, but that is what made it good. Light was the villain, and L was the hero.

>>52385676
Titan Tier: A villain with a twisted moral code that makes some sense, and the protagonist can actually sympathize with, but still oppose them for the sake of <insert motivation for protagonist here>.

Kind of plays up the horror of moral dilemmas and ethnically grey areas.

Above god tier:
Villains that are just completely batshit crazy.

>>52386116

Transcendent tier:

- Villains who represent a greater order in the universe, causing asspain because the protagonist's world gets the short end of the stick

>>52386173
Ethically* Pardon my idiocy

What is Ocelot?

That's a bad list. And you should feel bad.

Aside from being horribly out of order, there are a lot of motivations not considered. And I'm sorry, Daddy Issues, and the fact that life ain't fair is shit reasons for villainy. Evil for Evil's Sake is usually really interesting and compelling. Look at Kefka or The Joker. Seeking Power tends to be good. And villains that are revealed right at the end of a story are usually awesome, provided that we've known the character for a while, or it's a villain that has been mentioned over and again in the story.

Overall, this is a bad list. Sorry.

>>52386173
>twisted moral code
>implying there's a standard moral code.

The villain in the Witcher was a great one. When you talk to him you realize that all he has done up to that point has been for the good of humanity, and that he having done so much evil is more of a result of you trying to stop him.

I hated that you didn't have an option to join him.

>>52386159

Death Note wasn't good.

>>52386352
Ocelot is a badly written character in the metal gear series by a homosexual game designer named Kojima.

>>52386362
>Joker
>interesting and compelling

Go back to /co/ and kill yourself on the way there

>>52386159
>An example of a heroic antagonist, and villainous protagonist: Death Note. I know, it's emo and weaboo, but that is what made it good. Light was the villain, and L was the hero.

Nope. Kira was the antihero, and L was the hero.

>>52386364
Doing good for the sake of being good, as vague as that sounds, is the standard.

God Tier
Heroes who fight evil because of a twisted logic whereby people view change as bad.

High Tier
Heroes who fight evil because if they don't, many people will die.

Mid Tier
Heroes who fight evil because it's their job (ie. hired by a king).

Low Tier
Heroes who fight evil because they believe it is moral and just.

Villains who villain for the sport of it. They are gracious losers and only look for more interesting/stronger opponents if they win.

>>52386275

Algalon from WoW: http://www.wowwiki.com/Algalon

>>52386352
>What is Ocelot?

A plot device.

all villian sucks
and all good guys sucks
stop giving a fuck

>>52386441
>/co/ pls go
no

>>52386364
>Implying there is not a common theme amongst the multitudes of ethics in any given society

>>52386440

That doesn't answer my question

You know come to think of it, the best villains have a little of everything in them, making them very complex characters.

Kefka's a little bit evil for the sake of being evil, a little bit power hungry, and also suffered from a tragic accident in his past that made him go crazy.

Dagoth Ur from Morrowind.. yeah I guess negative points cause he's sorta a demigod.. but he was betrayed by Nerevar after being told to watch the tools of Kagrenac (but he experiemented with them... thirst for power)... he also believes he is doing the right thing.. wants to cleanse Morrowind of the N'wah invaders.

>>52386205
Sounds like shitty chaotic evil.
But hey, kids love them.

>>52386455
>I know, it's emo and weaboo, but that is what made it good.
It wasn't emo at all, and it's only weaboo if for some reason you espouse your feelings of Japanese superiority because of it.
Talking about anything japanese games or anime doesn't make someone a weaboo. It's the attitude, reverence and actions about it that do.

>>52383997
>>52383997
pretty much this.

>>52383997
this, a million times

>>52386488
>Doing good for the sake of being good, as vague as that sounds, is the standard.

That doesnt make sense.

For example, I think that its a good thing to kill babies.

Then if I kill the little baby team for the sake of killing babies, then I am being good.

>>52386496
>High Tier
>Heroes who fight evil because if they don't, many people will die.

>Low Tier
>Heroes who fight evil because they believe it is moral and just.

What's the fucking difference?

Makes the game bad and developers should feel bad tier: emo villains: guys who decide to be evil cuz daddy didn't love them enough, step daddy loved them too much, government took their baby, Montegues killed their girlfriends, or niggers stole their bikes....

>>52384647
Joker is evil because he is mentally insane.

>>52386455

Wrong. Kira, while initially justifying his actions by telling himself that he was punishing the wicked, was actually doing it all to glorify himself. Eventually he would kill innocents just as happily as criminals.

Kefka isn't really a good villain. What made him interesting was that he went from laughable sub-boss, basically just there to laugh and die early in the game, to frightening world destroying final boss. I can't think of many games that have that twist.

>Evil for the sake of being evil
Yurt the Silent Chief
>Evil because of seek power
King Allant

>>52384832
Lavos isn't a villan. Lavos is a mindless beast.

Rare but awesome tier: Villains who are trying to acquire the means to live a simple and comfy life
See: Kuro of Wan Piss. His entire plans final goal was to live in peace and quiet in luxury. As he puts it, peace of mind.

>>52384176

Saro was a special case, though. Yes, his girlfriend was slaughtered because of her race, but Saro was content and still good at one point. It wasn't until he was tempted by the evil lord (whatever his name is in the game) did he realize "I could get revenge for her death by annihilating all of human kind by reviving the dark lord". It wasn't until he was betrayed by the dark lord and brainwashed did he become evil. Pisaro is a villain because he is being manipulated by a greater evil. When you beat the dark lord and Pisaro, you can actually help him get revenge for his lost love, but in a moral manner.

>>52386551
>>Implying there is not a common theme amongst the multitudes of ethics in any given society

Islamic law allows rape, murder and peadophilia.

Your argument is invalid.

>>52386582

Because kids have no taste at all.

Where is the Villain that just wants to watch the world burn?

>>52386716

Joker only pretends to be insane. Either that or he is "super-sane" and can sort of see the 4th wall.

>Great Old Ones Tier
>Pic Related

>>52386792
Lets go there then.

>>52386676
Now, if you did make that time of baby killing, everyone loves babies and would see that as evil, even if you think it's good. Since, by society, babies are nice. Evil is only evil if it goes against the popular good.

>>52386496
>God Tier
>Heroes who fight evil because they believe it is moral and just.

Fixed for you.

Darth Revan

/thread

>>52386441
Fuck your mother. Depended on which Joker, the back story tied into that, and the method of portrayal, the Joker can be remarkably interesting. Killing Joke, Ledger's, Hamill's, and Nicholson's all had captivating elements.

Stop being a faggot.

How would /v/ classify a "villain" who hasn't really done anything wrong but has to keep fighting "good guys" anyway?

>>52386860
SO DEEP

>>52383997
this

BTW, I don't think Vader counts as someone who thought they were doing the "right thing" at least not in Episodes IV-VI.. in Episode III.. maybe but Episode III was weak in comparison plot wise anyway..

Vader knew what he was doing was "wrong" but Vader did it anyway because it was his master's bidding. The power of the dark side.. once you step onto the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny (until Luke proves that wrong)

>>52386940
u mad /co/ckfag?

>>52386939
God, I loved that game so much.

>>52386961

Take all your complaints to the writers.

>>52384255
Necron wasn't really a villian.

He was pretty much just a buffer used to balance everything. He only became involved as necessary.

>Better-than-god tier
>Antagonists

>>52387025

bro fist

>>52387005
You sound like you're fucking 12.

Star Wars is for children.

>>52387011
No, friend. I'm right.

I usually am. You'll get used to that.

>>52386739
Kira never killed innocents. Kira never killed innocents, only people who tried to interfere, who are as guilty of enabling criminals.
Of course, since the only thing he knew about any of the people is what he saw on the news, he honestly might as well been killing just innocents.

>>52384956

PICTURED FOR TRUTH

>>52387150
Yup, typical /co/ faggot alright.

>Original Character Tier
>Villains who are designed specifically to be an evil foil to the hero.

>>52386928
>Now, if you did make that time of baby killing, everyone loves babies and would see that as evil, even if you think it's good. Since, by society, babies are nice. Evil is only evil if it goes against the popular good.

In acient societies it was alright to bury newborn little babies in the sand, if they were girls, because they would be a burden to the family.

>>52386940
>Nicholson's

wut? i haven't watched that movie in years but i don't remember his portrayal being very good

hamill's voice is classic though. and ledger had a good laugh

>>52387103

You'd think that, but you'd be wrong.

Well, you wouldn't be, but every nerd on the entire planet will tell you that you are.

>>52387005
And Revan and a billion other peoples in the universe! yay for cliche sayings!

>>52387103
Well that's funny. I hear kids say Star Wars is shitty and boring.

The Joker was in fact in games. Therefore he belongs here.

>>52386860
>>52386860
>Joker only pretends to be insane. Either that or he is "super-sane" and can sort of see the 4th wall.

I hate Grant Morrison so much.

God Tier Villain reporting in.

>>52386943
Sounds like the good guys are bad guys, I'd call him a good guy.

Am I late?

>>52387275

So do I, but I also see them playing with toy lightsabers.

It's for kids. Accept it.

beyond good and evil tier

the mastermind, everything just goes according to his plan.

>>52387203
>implying that posting 'u mad' doesn't make you equally as gay

The real tier difference is character development.

I don't think anyone would non-trollingly consider Sovereign from mass effect to be shit tier. He's "evil" because he that's what he is, not that he really cares about the morality of organic life forms. But he was well done, so everyone thinks of him as an incredible villain. You could have taken the same concept and turned it into shit with poor execution though.

Pic related, another awesome villain who may or may not actually be a villain.

>>52387275
Star Wars is for another generation of children. Howdy Doody is for children and kids would call it all sorts of things.

>>52387269

Ledger sucked. End of story. The only people who like him, are the fags who like Killing Joke.

>>52386943

Reporting for duty.

BEST TIER: Villains who are actually the good guys. NO, PC, YOU ARE THE VILLAINS.

>>52387353
Thread ruined.

>>52387340

Cool puppet villain bro!

He was incredibly 2d before he met Soverign too. Basically "Ima just kill everyone who happens to be at this crime scene... because I must protect the innocents. ALSO I FUCKING HATE HUMANS!"

ITT: angsty emo kids pander to their shitty 2d counterpart BAWWWW WHY DOES LIFE SUCK SO MUCH

>>52387340
He's so fucking god tier his tier isn't even in the list.

>>52384750
Yup, I like those aswell.
Tragic heroes who become villians.

their deaths are ususally touching.

"I wanted to see your face with my own eyes..." - Darth vader

"Father! .....Is it over?" -Arthas


Arthas especially is aweomse.
He seemed like a scared chiled who awoke from a terrible nightmare, only to be greeted with eternal darkness to pay for his crimes.

>>52387363

That's not a motive.

>>52386071

Kain is so NOT a villain that half the games in the series have you playing as him. But Kain isn't a hero, either. Neither is Raziel.

See, the Legacy of Kain series is what we like to call "complex": that is, it makes you think about things, rather than presenting you with a situation and telling you everything in the open.

>>52387358
Then how come there are people twice as old as me who are huge Star Wars fantatics? I'm 22, by the way.

PROTIP: Kids don't like the films, just some of the games and the cartoons.

>>52387411
I sorta agree, he was still the best live action joker to date.

>>52387506

Those are piss poor examples of Tragic villains. Truly tragic villains get put in their situations without temptation.

>>52387510
>has never read a single book by Nietzsche

>>52387460

Sorry, but I've ruined nothing. I notice many in this thread are of the same viewpoint as I. Only the moralfags ever consider me troublesome, because they can't actually put up with how I tear their idiotic views to pieces and instead can only spam me with Bugface Power Rangers instead of putting up an argument.
Unsurprising, since there is no valid argument in their defense.

>>52387229
And at that time, it wasn't perceived as evil.

>>52385071

This. I'm tired of the whole "I mad, lolitrollworld!" plot device. Something like Lavos was a refreshing change.

'ey is this a thread about villains?

I think I might deserve this honor, also would you kindly read this in my voice?

and, thread over.

>>52387688

I have read the gay science, if that counts for anything. How is being a mastermind a motive?

>>52387556

Because you're manchildren. You're on a board for videogames. You probably post in all the pokemon threads, too.

>>52387506

Arthas's death was incredibly confusing to me. After doing the questline where Tirion Fordring destroys his heart and shatters the last fragment of his old life and reading the book, which explicitly stated that Arthas/Ner'zhul were no longer, only the Lich King was there, for him to come back to his senses seemed incredibly strange.

The only thing I can figure is that the helmet has a personality of it's own, but that doesn't make sense, seeing as Ner'zhul was original the helmet.. oh fuck it, lorelol.

>>52387634
Schala.

>>52387767
it isn't, it isn't necessarily a villain either, thus beyond good and evil.

>>52387570
On the topic of Heath Ledger's Joker. There are many a reason why I dislike it but one thing I have come to hate is the constant praise as that of a psychopath. I strongly feel this character is setting a bad example for what psychopathy is (much like the tv series Dexter). At best, he would be sociopathic. To explain what I mean:

>>52387769
....and you aren't?

>>52387725
You can thank the Church partly for that. Mayans had extremely gory rituals and engaged in human sacrifice to their gods, and it's as normal and natural as taking a dump.

>>52387411

Actually I found Ledger's joker (and this really has nothing to do with his portrayal but the writing) interesting because he wasn't just causing chaos just to be evil for evil's sake.. but his whole goal was to turn would be Heroes into villains.. he succeeds with Harvey Dent and tries to do the same with Batman.

He wants to see that whole fall from grace.

>>52387556
Because when the first film was released in 1977, a 44 year old today would have only been 11. They just haven't grown up.

GOD TIER = games in which you can't tell who's the bad guy(Bioshock series)

OK TIER = games that have a line between moral obligation and survival, which creates protagonists and antagonists(Fallout)

SHIT TIER = all JRPGs, and most WRPGs - OMG GUISE I LOST MY HOME VILLAGE LETS GO FORM A GROUP OF 4 PEOPLE AND DEFEAT THE FINAL BOSS

>>52387880
Classically psychopaths have a large deal of characteristics associated with them. For example, they have a high level of charm, they are cunning or manipulative, they are pathological liars, they have a high view of them self, they lack remorse or guilt, they often have poor behavioural control or are rather impulsive. Generally speaking, they are intelligent, and capable of assuming a multitude of personalities to the point that they can do multiple MMPI's and get difference disorders each time. These characters also can appear reserved or calm. Very scheming types. They are the type of person who will victimize those weaker then them (in their eyes of course), simply because they can. Which in a sense leads to a parasitic lifestyle. They don't form bonds or even hold true to any. A familial bond, won't stop one from harming his own kin. But they may or may not have a code of morals though. This makes them really hard to characterize in a sense, because they can change or adapt to what suits them best.

lol high tier

>>52387769

>Because you're manchildren.

Good Christ the irony in this post.

Lezard Tier

Villains who are evil because they love their waifu.

>>52387703
But Akagi, even other anti-moralfag people hate you, I bet this thread does too.

PERFECT TIER
Perfectio

>>52387769
This is why tripfags are demonized. You just like to fucking argue against anything, don't you?

>>52387923

No, I'm not. I'm simply an entity that exists within the board to tell you how much of a fucking failure you are.

>>52387982
An example I would set as a psychopath, would be Dr. Hannibal Lecter (especially the Anthony Hopkin's version, he plays it well). Lecter is very suave. He's very sophisticated. But he's also impulsive and predatory in nature. If you read more into the character, you can see a wide range of development in personality and method. Alot of you probably read this, and think, well where is his impulsivity? and where is his predatory nature? But you have to think of it from a subjective view. He was a psychiatrist. He had a steady supply of victims. Yet he didn't kill them all? Why? He probably simply didn't feel like it. He picked the ones he wanted to kill, when he wanted to kill them. Due to the nature of his job, they would be in a weaker state too. If you continue to watch him, his methods of killing can be from ruthless to rather reserved. He's definitely manipulative and charming. He's also quite grandiose in nature. And like mentioned before, he feels no guilt or remorse. Plus, we have seen him adapt at a rapid pace (eg. his escapes, and his ability to take on a new persona almost immediately). Another prominent psychopath in my mind would be John Doe from Se7en. Or yet again, the Killer from the Poughkeepsie Tapes.

>>52387808
Basically "The Lich King" died and Arthas remained for a brief moment.

Anyway, in what tier do guys like Lelouch/Ozzymandas go?

Those who do evil to save the world.

>>52387867

Dude, you are not paying attention. We are talking about motives. I could say a "Villain who likes to use swords" is beyond Good and Evil too, if I didn't understand what is going on. It doesn't even fit.

God Tier:

Villains who think what they're doing is right.

Villains who aren't really bad guys, they just really want to take over the universe.

>>52387982
Suddenly I'm a great villain.

I find this unlikely.

Darth Revan is the ultimate villain cuz his moral is actually questionable. I would stand by Revan's side at the mandalorian wars over the shitty pacifist jedi any day.

Revan then [spoilers] left to fight the "true" sith, which only he had the power to "detect"[/spoilers]

>>52388091
The Joker played by Ledger doesn't really fit this. Sure, he has some similar qualities, but thats really not a convincing psychopath. He's destructive, yes. He acts on impulse, yes. He even shows no signs of guilt or remorse. But what he really lacks is substance. He never really victimizes people or toys with them in that sense, other then commonly seen moral dilemas. Yes, I believe he is chaotic, and sociopathic. But I don't feel he has that underlying quality that psychopaths have been portrayed with. Compare him with the two that I have mentioned above, and you will see that they are worlds apart. It's hard to explain what I mean. It's just that there is this tone really that the previously mentioned characters have, that draws me to view them as more of a psychopath, that Heath Ledger's Joker just lacks. Which is why I hate how they always describe him as a psychopath. Hell, even Chigur from No Country for Old Men is more psychotic then Ledger's Joker in my eyes.

Chaotic Evil villains are god tier.

>>52388163
Except you don't have the guts to actually fuck anyone up.

>>52388088

>I'm simply another tripfag reminding you of how much of a failure I am at life.

>>52387982
no

they are unpredictable. but thats about it.

>>52388088

Ah yes, of course, the /v/irgin who posts roleplaying as an anime(?) character is truly superior to all us other posters.

>>52388102
faggot tier

if you are doing EVIL to SAVE something, then it's not EVIL at all, and they're faggots

SOMEONE SAY GREATEST VILLAIN, PIGS?

Total truth

Beyond Ultimate Tier reporting in.

>>52388102
>implying Lelouch wasn't the most idiotic and shallow anime character ever
>implying Lelouch isn't 100% Light Yagami ripoff
>implying Code Geass isnt Death Note + Final Fantasy Tactics
>implying Watchmen is anything more than utter crap with no character development

>>52388263
Ah, see, that makes more sense.

Alright, I'll roll with it now.

>>52387982
You... do realize you just read off a description that very much is the joker through and through.

>>52387948
Taking out the flashy fights and the lightsabers and all that, you have a tale that echoes in today's politics, and this is the part that the kids don't even see. They see "Oh cool, lightsaber fight, whatever whatever", and they spout lines from Star Wars as memes, and so on, but do they understand the underlying sociopolitical commentary, or the fact that it follows the details of the Monomyth? No, of course not.

See those who believe in the righteousness of their own actions have vindication, they are dedicated to their cause. To the point that its obsessive, it's scary. They become a zealot to their own ideals and it completely consumes their mind until they find a mad clarity within.

Fuck we need better villains beyond "LOL DARKNESS <3"

>>52388316

The whole alignment system is shit tier. Evil and Good are not opposing forces.

>>52387363
FUCKING THE WORLD SO THAT I MAY HAVE MONEY, FUCK YEEEEEEEEEAH!!

So GlassGoth from Chocobo Dungeon 2 is a god tier villain? Really? I don't see that for some reason.

>>52387880
Psychopath and sociopath are the same thing doofus. The only difference between the two varies with professional opinions.

>>52388408
I'm not saying the plot is bad, it's just that how it's presented is targeted to children.

>>52388334
Confirmed for retard.
Light is actually 100% EVIL
He didn't want to save the world. He wanted to tule it with terror and an iron fist.

>>52388289
When he turns around atop the hill of corpses to stare at you and laugh in the opening I never cease to be frightened.

>>52388035

That's a faggotty way to put it. He wanted her pussy, and he killed the mightiest god to get it.

GOD TIER: Villains being evil for no given reason.
SHIT TIER: Anything else, especially complex and "creative" characters.

If I wanted that, I'd go see a movie or read a book. Or maybe play something merely ASCII based.

>>52388615

He wanted to do both. Both good and evil.

>>52388566
Does somebody really have to post that CS Lewis quote to shut your mouth?

>>52388615
Why didn't he just start killing every random person then?

>>52385410
I believe burning all consoles in the world will unite people to play on PC. Am I omnipotent tier now?

>>52388672

You can have a "complex" villain without interfering with the game. No long cutscenes featuring giving long monologues and shit and we are good.

>>52388448
This. Nobody ever is completely white or black. And anyone that is shows he/she/it isn't well written.

>>52388480
You're ALMOST right.
Psychopath/Sociopath: They are usually not murderers; in fact, many successful CEOs, lawyers, and politicians are psychopaths or sociopaths. Psychopathy and sociopathy both refer to the absence of a conscience, a limited emotional range, and difficulty in forming significant relationships. They also often lack impulse control. Both psychopaths and sociopaths can be classed as having antisocial personality disorder, though not all people with the disorder are psychopaths or sociopaths. Psychopathy and sociopathy are typically held to be synonyms under the umbrella of antisocial personality disorder (which is the term the DSM-IV uses that includes psychopaths and sociopaths), and when a distinction is made it has nothing to do with the origins of the disorder, since the origins are not definitely known. The typical distinction is that sociopaths have a more normal temperament and are better able to adapt to societal norms. While statistically speaking murderers are likely to be psychopaths or sociopaths, psychopaths and sociopaths are not very likely to be murderers.

>>52385410
>Implying "God" and "Omnipotent" isn't the same thing.

>>52388672
Nice try. Just not good enough.

>>52388214
The joker did all you described as psychotic in the movie you retard. You sound like you just want to hate him to stand out of the crowd but you can't think of a good reason.

>>52388615
I agree he is pure evil. But he is a charming evil, the kind we want to watch (cause isn't that the point, getting us to watch?)

>>52388087
the only reason anons aren't demonized is because you cant associate hate with an entire group when you dont hate all of them

>>52388770

Nah man, I don't think you understand. I don't even believe in a "spectrum" of black and white. I see it as someone can do both great good and great evil - simultaneously. If anything it would be like both black and white rather than gray.

Personally, I've always liked villains who saw themselves as heroes, doing good for the world.

The heroes and the villains just have conflicting views.

or

The villain was originally a hero, but were wronged in some way, and became the way they are.

>>52388759
you mean stuff like


>No, you'll warrant no villain's exposition from me.


but you can find his notes and diaries if you're interested in checking his motivation.

>>52387164

He constantly halved his girlfriend's life, he killed the chick he was dating on the side in the second half of the series, he killed Ren to kill L, attempted to sacrifice his father's soul (as well as halve his life), screwed over his sister... etc. I could go on. He was acting out of ego the whole time; I'm not sure how someone watching the show could think otherwise, it was made BLATANT at several points when he would start ranting to himself about how people would worship him.

>>52388688
I enjoy arguing, I'll keep going after that.

Still, go ahead if it's all you've got.

>>52388448
>Evil and Good are not opposing forces.
Evil and Good are opposing forces, but only for a specified given set of morals/ethics. Meaning that evil and good are always opposing in nature, but is dependent on the viewpoint of the person.

>>52388692
Because he wanted to RULE the world, not eradicate it.
He killed every evil person without pity or remorse to incite terror into everyone.

He also started killing people who simply were "in his way"

He also stated that killing murderers and rapists was only the start, eventually he wanted to create his own twisted "pure" world by kiling "useless" people..

basically, he would have killed 80% of /v/