Or you could just make everyone 13 again

The only reason Final Fantasy games were better when we were younger is because WE WERE YOUNGER. Everything was better back then, it's not a coincidence FF got better after the /v/ generation (1986-1990) started growing up a little

As far as Square-Enix are concerned the Final Fantasy brand doesn't need saving, it's making a fuckload of money already.

People bought FF13 even if they didn't like 12, and if they didn't like 13 either they'll still buy 15. They'll probably buy all those spinoffs too

Agreed with the first. The series lost it's integrity because of all that shit

>implying Final Fantasy needs to or can be saved.

5. No more remakes, focus on new games

>>52307846
got worse* rather

Mindless FF fans are legion, unfortunately. Weeaboo analogue to Halo fags, unstoppable herds of blind consumer loyalty.

God damn, Old Cloud>New Cloud

FF7 is my second favorite after 9 but at the expense of sounding like a gigantic faggot the "magic" of it has died in recent years. It's not because of the retarded fanboys, it's because of square milking it and turning the whole thing into one gigantic mess. It was great on it's own, a "masterpiece" in my eyes and now it's been covered in shit.

How to save FF, reworded for you op-

1. Include all my tastes and preferences
2. Include my favourite gameplay elements
3. Never change and keep rehashing

>>52307959
FUCKING THIS

>>52308371
actually unlike most people who are whining about 13 op doesn't say shit like "use [x] battle system" or "have characters like this" except maybe with the whole futuristic thing

it's not asking a lot to ask a company to ignore shitty shovelware and focus on solid main series games

dirge of cerberus was good. more square shooters please.

Spend less money on expensive CG and more money on hiring a decent writer. So many JRPGs seem intent on sticking close to retarded anime story conventions and characters, and FF is no exception.

how?

just stop to run behind the customer to ask "hey wanna play this game? is like you wanna easy, cool, full of retarded desu girl and cool fag-hero"; instead give the proper core version of FF "love it or GTFO" like the other FF before the X.

>>52308321
You are now aware you know at least one girl who fangirls Cloud despite having never played FF7

>>52308321

nostalgia, Cloud never changed

>>52308756

bcuz kingdom hearts cloud had those super kawaii sexy wing

>>52308822
Have you not seen his new design?

Anything that says FF is FF deal with it.

>>52308756
true i know a girl who loves him and sephiroth but has only ever seen advent children

it's evident by how much more fan art there seems to be of cloud's new design

>>52308963
This. The only thing that has changed with FF is cinematics and voice acting.

I agree OP, but all of this is moot because Square doesn't give a shit and it will never happen

>>52307595

I know a girl who has a Griever tatoo from FF8 on her chest.

I tried talking to her about final fantasy in general, and even FF8.

She knew NOTHING, NOTHING what so ever.

So you're right, sort of.

>>52308939

Yeah, it's much better now.

>>52309237

That's still hot

my mom is over 45, and plays crisis core. She compares everything to zack or angeal, and writes fics on fanfic.net. she's still playing it right now as I type this. She's never touched 7, and wants to buy me dirge of cerberus cause ¨Vincent was so cool...who`s Reeve?¨ on youtube vids.

Dear OP
See FF14.
Shut up.
Anonymous

whats Gakt?

>2. Nobuo Uematsu always does the music from now on.
I'd rather have Sakimoto
>3. Get Yoshitaka Amano back, or at least tell Nomura to get over Gackt.
Amano fucking suck, he is the worst designer Square ever had, Nomura may like belts, but at least he can draw more than 1 character.
Yoshida all the way.
>4. Less futuristic elements.
Agreed

>>52309465
David Bowie

Watched FF:AC, played FF7:CC, playing FFVII for the first time in ten years,
Cloud hasn't changed. He's always been a low self esteem kind of guy. He was just more driven in 7 because we were in control.

Woah woah woah, I don't agree with 2. Masashi Hamazu is god tier, he did a lot of good songs in FFX and I'd like to see him work with Nobuo again.

>>52309813
events are in order,

>2. Nobuo Uematsu always does the music from now on.

Nobuo used to be the best by a wide margin. Hamauzu did a great job with 13. Mizuta did a decent job with 11 and Sakimoto did ok in 12.

>>52309871

FF music is bottom tier for Square stuff, though. SD, Vagrant Story, SaGa, Chrono is all better.

>4. Less futuristic elements. It was fine with 7 and to a degree 8 but 13 seems to have gone a little overboard in this regarg

I like the futuristic games. I certainly wouldn't want every game setting to be futuristic though. My hopes are that 15 is inspired by 9s setting.

>>52309972

I disagree

The Final Fantasy series can't be saved anymore. There was a chance so long as consumers demanded more, but they're apparently okay with what FF13 did to the series, so it's over.

Aren't they already making Final Fantasy 14?

>>52310159

>Implying that every game hasn't been wildly different from the last.

>>52310159
FF can still be saved, we only need to do one thing.
Kill Wada.

> No more sequels, prequels or spin offs
> No FFT
> No Crystal Chronicles
> No Mystic Quest
first rule blows

>>52310159
FFX was linear as fuck too, but then we got FFXII with this huge open world with tons of sidequests and shit

>>52310159
IMO it has been already death after FFX... case of point: FFX-2.

>>52309972
>Vagrant Story
Yeah too bad you spend half the damn game listening to nothing but noises in dungeons that all look the same. The boss music was nice though.

>>52307595
>1. No more sequels, prequels or spin offs. None of this "compilation of VII" or "Crystal Nova whatever" shit, just release a solid game and move on to the

I don't think so tim.

FF is fine the way it is

>>52310295
>implying a video game series isn't expected to keep certain concepts, themes and atmosphere intact even when changing things up

>>52309433
>MMO

My friend was showing me bits of 13 as he had purchased it not too long ago.

"Do you have any summons yet?"
"Yeah I have Shiva, check this out."
(Oh cool, Shiva was pretty neat back in the day) I thought to myself.

I then proceeded to stare in shock as two robotic wheel-head women popped onscreen and started to scissor and then turn in to a bike that the protagonist rode around on and did ice attacks.

"Dude, what the fuck am I watching?"

"You serious? This new Final Fantasy kicks ass."

<<< My face

>>52310643
Dude your're gay, that sounds like it kicks ass.

>>52310801
And you're the reason there's no saving this series anymore.

>>52310643

Shiva sisters are retarded. As is Snow. He drags the whole game down imo.

Off the top of your head hum a FF7 song

Off the top of your head, hum a FF13 song

Which one did you have a harder time remembering?

>>52309813
Where was Cloud a low self-esteem kind of guy in FF7? He had an identity crisis due to everyone not knowing who the fuck he was, but as soon as he got control of himself, that motherfucker was a motherfucker.

>>52310643

>Implying driving mode isn't fucking awesome

>>52310930
Well I haven't played FF13, so I'm going to go with that one.

I like how the entire fanbase is already looking forward to 15 and hoping it saves the franchise.

lol

There was a thread earlier today talking about possible ideas for Final Fantasy XV, but I didn't get to share this one. Thus, I'm dumping it on you unlucky jerks.

The concept is to make the summons the stars of the show, in a sense. The main character is a summoner mainly, though played as though he were acted by Cary Elwes, and throughout their quest to save the world, instead of collecting the usual cast members, he would collect summons that would take physical form and become party members themselves. The challenge then becomes managing the contrasting personalities of these summons, as well as their general unfamiliarity with the current state of the world.

In battle, of course, the summons could call forth their true forms, the imposing and powerful forms that they're known for, or stay in their smaller, human-sized forms in situations where-in overkill is not particularly necessary... these would be few and far between, because overkill is fun.

The summons that would appear would be Shiva, Ifrit, Ramuh, Odin, Bahamut, Alexander, and Carbuncle, with a number of other Final Fantasy mainstays being principle characters there-in.

>>52310856

You're the reason we can't have nice things

>>52310870

hes less of a fucktard than hope tho

"my mummy died, i blame snow even though he clearly tried to save her and she volunteered knowing that she may be blown up"

>>52310930
Both.

All I know is the universal Chocobo theme

>>52311056
Quezacoatl should be the one you play as.

?. If you're gonna make FF MMO's do't include them as numbers in the series

>>52310997
13 was suppost to do that

>>52310930
12's and 13's music is great but hasn't been as catchy as previous installments.

Feels bad man

What did you say about Sazh shooting himself in the head?

>>52310930

Cosmo Canyon then Blinded by Light. Did both off the top of my head. I don't know why you're comparing our memories of songs in a 13 year old game and a week old release.

>>52311441
EXACTLY

>>52311528
Surely you'd have a better memory of something you heard recently?

>implying the futuristic elements aren't the only good parts of the series

Who the fuck is Gackt?

>>52311056
Square-Enix would never do something like this. It would be too interesting and respectful to what makes the series what it is. FF15 is going to be in many ways a copypaste of FF13 since enough people liked the FF13 way of doing things enough that Square-Enix will see it as sure sales to keep with it.

And if they DID do something like that idea, they'd fuck it up somehow. Like the characters would just have been failed experiments and the true summon forms are nothing but mech suits or something.

>>52311596

About the same since I've listened to cosmo canyon far more.

How about just stop making them isn't 20 something years enough.

Only good final fantasies were X, IV, III, VI, and VII to a degree. Story was good but characters are fucking retarded.

>>52311714
A WAPANESE WAMPYR ROCK GOD.

Also, Under The Rotting Pizza, and Still More Fighting.

>>52307595
5. Beg Yasumi Matsuno to come back and let him make games without filtering them through bullshit.

>>52311923
Mario.

>>52312014
And have you played/beat IX?

>>52312150
yes.

>>52312252
IX is definitely the best PS1 FF.

>>52311761
... why must you shit up EVERY FF thread with your hyperbole DOOM theories of FF13?

It's getting fucking annoying.

>>52307595

Akihiko Yoshida is a better artist than Amano ever was.

XIII already saved the gameplay in many ways. No more grinding or tedious fighting bull.

Spend a lot of time devoted to finding a way to tie every single story together in a neat little knot.

Make an amazing soundtrack that is designed to sync up in a meaningful way with every scene.

Blend all combat systems for different stages.

Make awesome ending.

Series that ranges from Shit to GOD ends in a god tier way.

Ide like to add in making the gameplay worth spending time on. and making all the men actually look like men

>>52310329
Can I get some insight on how Wada specifically made FF13 "suck"?

I'm enjoying it so I don't think it sucks, it's just not as good as the other games.

>>52312103
Also: More political/religious oriented plots with dissent and less LOL EVIL BADGUY WANTS TO DESTROY THE WORLD plots.

Make the combat at least mildly interesting and not just "pick stuff from a menu once it's your turn" I liked FFXII's combat, maybe it was just me. From what little of FFXIII I've seen it looks alright.

>Nobuo Uematsu always does the music from now on.
Hell no. Uematsu is good, but Masashi Hamauzu is great and Kumi Tanioka (FFCC) is a goddess. Get some variety up in that shit.
Generic swords and sorcery and the future are nice, but I'd like to see what they can do with a current day Final Fantasy. AK-47s and shit like no JRPG has seen before.

FFXIII is an excellent game, however.

Also, impossible mode: No completely impractical silly outfits that show male bare midriff.

>>52312412
Because it's true. If I turn out wrong to be wrong, I'll admit I was wrong. A lot of this is also going by the apparent popularity shown through /v/; if it's not as popular as a whole then I'll have to admit I should have waited until I had more to go on than /v/'s reaction.

>>52307595

Step 1. Fire all current writers and directors
Step 2. BEG MATSUNO to come back
Step 3. Matsuno + Sakimoto + Yoshida combo
step 4. Bask in the glory that is god tier team.

>>52312696

Check out Resonance of Fate/End of Eternity. Sega x Tri-Ace RPG with lots of guns.

>>52312624
>More political/religious oriented plots
I'd like to see a game that makes an outright, possibly controversial political statement and doesn't afraid of anything.

>>52312550
by sabotaging FFXII and making all the fangirls cry for a shit game like XIII

>>52307595
ff13 is like gundam futuritic tho

>>52312715
And as pointed out to you a million times before, FF7 is nothing like FF6, FF8 is nothing like FF7, FF9 is nothing like FF8 etc etc.

You have NO basis for your argument that FF13 will suddenly become the mould for all future FF's. Stop posting crap, or, PLAY THE GODDAMN FUCKING GAME and gain a proper opinion on it.

Geezuz fuck I mad with you.

>>52312878
How did he sabotage it exactly?

A series has to evolve and change to stay fresh and fun.

If every game was the same as the last it would kill the series.

Don't let your nostalgia blind you. If you like the earlier titles then play them, but don't freak out on the newer titles for trying to do something new.

>>52307595
>No Crystal Chronicles.

Eat a dick.

>>52313078
They all had atb, towns, world map (not important though) and while they were all linear it didn't feel as claustrophobic

why save anything? The fact that it's still called Final Fantasy might just be the problem, idiots will buy anything with the name on it regardless of quality. get Squeenix to stop calling it FF and just make some good fucking RPGs without worrying about what the previous game was like when making a new one, this shit is hardly even a series anyway

only they won't hear you, they're too busy drowning in the money they make

>If every game was the same as the last it would kill the series.

...

>>52313092
short story.

They gave Matsuno FFXII

Matsuno begins making his dream concept as the basis for FFXII

Matsuno's concept was basically FFT's story on steriods, with Basch as the main character

executives didn't want the game to be like FFT/Vagrant story, and started telling matsuno to make it more like ff7, ffx.

Executives keep trying to force in changes completely opposite to the concept, such as Vaan and Penalo.

all the meddling eventually causes matsuno to break down from stress 1/4 into development

Matsuno leaves square.

Wada places yes men in charge of XII who proceed to ruin it.

>>52313078
And as I told YOU before, Squaresoft acted differently as a company back when they made the games you're listing off. Yes, companies DO change in how they view and treat their employees, their fanbase, and their IPs.

My basis comes from how the current Square-Enix hops onto whatever's popular. FF7 is considered amazing? Compilation of FF7. FF4 did strangely good in sales? Shit out FF4:TA, with emphasis on what's popular. You already know about FFX-2. This is different from how the company acted back when it was Squaresoft. And I'm NOT blaming the merger, it's just an easy way to name a time when the company largely cared about the series for more than money.

>>52313233
A series changing up things does not require it to make the changes so radical to the point where they undo what makes the series what it is.

>>52313341
FFX was claustraphobic. FF12 was open. Your point is invalid.

>>52312715
>>I should have waited until I had more to go on than /v/'s reaction.

FUCK, WHY AREN'T YOU DEAD

Did you REALLY take /v/'s 'opinion' on a videogame seriously?!

First, you shit up every thread about FF13 with claims of all the 'research' you've done on the game, you don't even PLAY the fucking thing, and then you admit you take /v/'s word on videogames SERIOUSLY?

>>52313383
kill the series as in quality, not popularity.

>2. Nobuo Uematsu always does the music from now on.

No.

>>52313794
I'm pretty sure if lots of people like something, it's quality to them. The asspained opinions of a bunch of old fags on /v/ means shit to the masses, and for good reason.