60 hours of linearity, with a large portion of tedium (I've only heard that the first 15-20 hours of FFXIII are boring, and from what I've played I agree) is way different than 10 hours of action packed linearity. Plus, the genre expectations are different.

inb4 someone says I'm an xbro- I'm playing FFXIII on PS3 right now and like it so far.

people are dumb

Or you could stop being asshurt and realize that FF13, while fun, isn't that great of a game and it has pretty much 0 replay value.

>60 hour run time
FF13 can be beaten under 10 hours.

>rely on birthday presents for my 2 games/year,

Fucking nostalgia bomb, it always used to piss me off that other kids got like 8 games for christmas

>no multiplayer
>multiplayer

As much as I feel Halo is overrated, at least you play it, it takes skill, and you have fun. I can't say the same for FF. So, yeah, the faults are more notable because there's nothing to say, 'well, at least...'

Halo isn't a single player game, it's a multiplayer game. Meaning the time spent is entirely decided by the player. When I buy a Halo game I do it mostly out of the fact I can pick it up at any point in time when my friends are over and enjoy a match.

You really can't compare a single player RPG to a multiplayer FPS using bulletin points.

>10 hours of action packed linearity.

I never really got this, figuring out how to not die in a JRPG with a decent battle system is always more engaging to me than the point-and-click of an FPS. I really only play FPSs for the social aspect.

>Plus, the genre expectations are different.
Valid, but then they should be getting people with actual JRPG experience writing the reviews instead of twitch gamers.

>>51948271

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

YEAH SURE BUDDY

NO FINAL FANTASY GAME OR RPG FOR THAT MATTER CAN BE BEATEN IN LESS THAN 10 HOURS

AHAHAHAHAHAHA FUCK YOU

>>51948442
Cool denial.
Not that the 90% of those ten hours would be cutscenes.
Not actual gameplay.
Cut fucking scenes.

>Multiplayer

Halo 3 = Fun

FF13 = Boring grinding

>>51948415
>Halo
>Console FPS with autoaim
>Takes skill

>>51948322
Bullshit, that's not really a choice, it only presents the illusion thereof. I CAN walk around Coagulation looking at the scenery for 50 hours, but other players aren't going to let me. And Halo devolves into a singularity for tactics: move, aim, shoot, next target. It's just as linear.

They're two completely different fucking games, OP.

I'm not anticipating FF13 and I hate Halo, but you're a retarded troll.

>Comparing FPS to JRPG

While we're doing this, I'd like to chide Minecraft for lacking the elaborate stats system of X-Com, and Sim City for lacking the drifting abilities of Need for Speed.

>>51948122

>comparing an RPG to a FPS

Never change, /v/.

>>51948442
Uh, FF9 called. Ever hear of Excalibur 2?

Also, the first Star Ocean was like a 10 hour deal, as are most of the .Hack games.

>>51948552

>I've never played a Final Fantasy game in my life.

>>51948611

Well, at that point, all games boil down to move stick/mouse, press button.

Liner! Repetitive! Button pushan!

>>51948122
Mass Effect
>Same as Mass Effect, but with new weapons and gorgeous graphics
>Finished in less than 15 hours
>Same characters, different maps but still the same kinds of environments
>missions are linear
>9.6, fukken masterpiece

>>51948122
>Reviewers only just realising that 90% of every FF game is fucking linear

WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS SHIT

you know, I've been hearing FF13 is only linear through the first half. After chapter 12 I think, it opens up a little? I canceled my preorder 2 days before release and bought a PSN card. I was planning on renting it later. Any info on my claim?

>>51948274
SAME
Fucking raped when I was saving for a console and GTA4 and CoD4 was the shit

Don't worry, after 10-20 hours of gaming, you'll have fun, and it'll feel like an actual game! I promise!

>Halo 3
>Gorgeous graphics

FF13 sucks because it doesn't play anything like Gex 3.

>>51948611

I just love how you idiots think that a bit of auto-aim that you barely notice, takes all the skill from the game.

Fucking pathetic.

>>51948881
When I got the console*

>FF13

>Great story
L-M-A-O
>Good characters
L-M-A-O

>> Good characters

Ne! Ne! Ne! Ne!

>>51948808
Because it doesn't even try to hide its linearity. Back in the days, you could actually go the wrong way on the map. Not much, but enough for illusion. Now it's just movie - battle - movie.

And if you fail a battle, you can replay it right away.

>>51949050

>>51948826
It's chapter 11. Out of 13 chapters. But what the fuck is wrong with linearity?
>>51948713
True, but which is better, the mindless point/click of going after whatever target is moving, or the menu navigation of a tense JRPG battle where if you lose you invalidate the past two hours of gameplay?

Too bad JRPGs have gotten way too fucking easy lately. Only the SMT games are any good. I heard FF13 has a good battle system, looking forward to it.

OP, what are you trying to accomplish with this thread? Validate your tastes? Proving that the review system for games (and most media) is broken?

FF fans and JRPG lovers in general will agree with you (just like they did before), Halo fans and FPS lovers will hate on you (just like they did before) and trolls will troll.

Congratulations.

>>51949196
>where if you lose you invalidate the past two hours of CUTSCENES?

>>51948122
FF13
>Single Player only

Halo 3
>Most played Multiplayer game on Xbox Live

>>51949056
Have you actually played FF13 though? You can still go the wrong way. It's like all the other FFs, every dead end is a treasure chest.

Also
>implying you ever went the wrong way because you had the guide right in front of you.

>>51949196
nothing's really wrong with it. I just hoped that it wasn't all completely so. I like freedom.

>>51949340
>You can still go the wrong way.
Not when most of the maps are just a passageway from A to B.

>>51949196

I'd take the 'mindless' point-and-shoot, because it involves reacting to the enemy, conserving ammo, using the weapon best suited for the situation, precision, constant awareness, quick reflexes, and the smarts to push forward or flee - and, with teammates, key communication to cover the battle as well as possible.

Reviewers calling jrpgs "generic" always bothered me a bit. Military shooters by definition would have to be generic in order to be a military shooter and, yet, reviewers never seem to call themselves out for this.

Just being the sexiest character in the game

>>51948122
>great story

Do people actually really believe this shit? It's a fucking stereotypical animu storyline and nothing more. Enjoy the gameplay and pretty graphics all you like, but for fuck's sake don't praise this juvenile garbage masquerading as a story.

>>51949518
She's as sexual as Trinity of The Matrix.

Final Fantasy sucks (you fuckng douchebags)
Halo sucks

>great story
>good characters
>innovative battle system

It's becoming hard to tell the trolls from the delusional fanboys.

i dont mind the linearity, 9/10

>>51949624
And she was pretty hot

>great story

i can get /lit/ to shit out a better story in a single thread.

>>51949796
shut the f*ck up f*g

>>51948122
No, it is just that Japanese companies suck ass .Just like theri crappy final fantasy games

>>51949733
You want a hot skittles hair Final Fantasy chick?
That would be one, not your femcloud.

>>51949911
Hottest FF characters
Kuja>Beatrix>Lightning

>>51949208
OP here.

It's more about proving that the review system is broken. Maybe it always has been. In the late 90s/early 2000s JRPGs were top of the heap, always getting high 8s or better. And I felt that most of them deserved those scores. Even shitty JRPGs got called out: Xenosaga 2, Suikoden 4, others.

Now it feels like they just get penalized for being JRPGs. Yes, there haven't really been any blockbusters so far this gen, but the few that have been out have been getting shit like 6s when they deserve at least high 7s, only because Japanese people suck at using the Unreal engine. Last Remnant and Infinite Undiscovery were both competent JRPGs. If it were released in the PS2 era (even with PS2 graphics) Lost ODyssey would have been heralded as a 9.8 fukken masterpiece.

Now FPSs that don't innovate anything aside from graphics and maybe a few new weapons get ridiculously inflated scores even though they're all essentially rehashes. At least JRPGs have different battle systems, but they're the ones getting called out as stale. It's so mind-numbingly hypocritical, it's baffling.

And I'm not like I solely play JRPGs. I play pretty much every genre of games except racing. Shooters are entertaining, but that genre has gotten so stagnant it's not even funny. The only reason to not play the same one over and over again are graphical updates and the story/setting.

>>51949973
Nigga you gay

>>51950019
NO
U

>>51948122

Halo 3 is WAY more linear than FF13. 13 gains plenty of sidequests and story branches around Chapter 11, which is late, but at least it fucking has them.

>>51950019
>Mog
>Gay

tell us something we didn't know

>one hyped JRPG is bad
>HAHAHAHAH TOLD WEEABOO FAGGOTS

>the billionth hyped brown/grey/dark shooter is bad
>............

>>51949468
But that's not how it really works. You're describing a real firefight with actual guns. When you're playing a videogame there's no actual threat of death, so it's hard to get so excited and into it unless you're a complete faggot.

It takes very little skill to figure out the patterns people take on given maps and dismantle them. And people are generally too stupid to change their tactics.

>>51950163
...

>>51950012
You're hardly the one to talk about bias, judging from how you present your argument. Just do us all a big favor, and just hush.

>Great Story

this is why i hate weeaboo's the most, they have to gall to call this half assed animu storyline a GREAT STORY.

>>51950012
I agree with you about FPS scores - too much sameyness, and too much love for them. But I feel JRPGs have started to fall flat in recent years, and FF13 seems to deserve the lashings it's getting. I LIKE what WRPGs are bringing to the table. While I also don't want WRPGs to continue to be brown realism-fests, I think a sense of realism was necessary to stem the tides of JRPGs growing trend of trying to be a better JRPG (just fiddling with its staples and elements), instead of providing a better story, better interaction, or better worlds to explore. JRPGs need to evolve, and not the direction FF13 is trying to go.

>>51950367
and halo has a good story?

>>51950012
Aye, that one.

Deeply flawed big budget SHOOTAN: FUCK YES 8.5-9
Slightly flawed big budget anything else not published by MS: FUCK YOU YOU ARE 8.0
Still flawed rehashed franchise games published by MS: HOLY FUCK IT'S THE LAST GAME IN THIS SERIES WITH SLIGHTLY MORE CONTENT, I NEED TO SCORE THIS NEARLY A POINT HIGHER TWO YEARS LATER

You'll see the same stupid shit when GT5 comes out, chances are. You know, HERP DA DERP I CANTZ CRASH LIKE BURNOUT, -2 POINTS.

>>51950249

I disagree completely. Even if I play against the same people on the same map, the gameplay and strategies change constantly because it's a constant state of adapting. It IS immersive, and you're just using the faggot line because you have no better argument.

Now, in my mind, I'm thinking TF2 because I don't have Halo, but the argument stands for FPSes in general. Real people adapt. RPG monsters refuse to learn how to use white magic.

>>51948122
comparing a FPS to a RPG is just retarded.

>>51950657
Did i saw that. Oh look a weeaboo who can't read, no wonder they think Final Fantasy games have a good story.

>>51950772
Also note that MW2 makes the first one insanely conservative, as does really the entire Gears of War series' inability to do online. Look at Forza 3, Fable 2, Gears 2, etc. if you're wondering about the third.

Pretty linear to me.

>60 hour run time
Seriously?

ITT: 8.0 is a bad score.

>>51951028
It's not living up to its hype. Yes, it is bad score.

Like bionic commando 3d.......

>>51950424
JRPGs are definitely headed in the wrong direction, but not with FF13. Well, kind of with 13, but not really.

In Japan they're catering to a new demographic: girls, and not necessarily girls who play games. So the stories end up melodramatic and the gameplay is made easier. FF13 does have a decent and challenging battle system, so the "easy gameplay" comes in the form of hyperlinearity.

It's not like good JRPGs are dead, just look at the latest SMT games, they're pretty fuckwin. But in general, focusing on making the story appealing instead of coherent along with neglecting the gameplay aspect that used to be the hallmark of the genre is what's really killing JRPGs.

Also, what the fuck is wrong with a little bit of melodrama in a story? You really think bulging Mary Sue Space Marines are really all that entertaining?
>>51950329
Obviously it's biased, I was stating my opinion. I'm merely pointing out the hypocrisy of those who laud modern FPSs as amazing and innovative while calling JRPGs stagnant.

>any game
>good

lol /v/

>>51951208
At least FFXIII didnt explain factors like linearity with radiation.

>>51948122
well thats because FF13 is gay and halo not as gay

WHAT THE FUCK. IS THIS A GOOD GAME?!

>>51951208
>Yes, it is bad score.

4/5 is a bad score? If you scored 80% on a test, would your teacher/parents/friends/etc. chastise you for being too fucking retarded to get a 90%?

8.0 isn't a bad score. Games have problems. They will be hyped and fail to live up to it.

8.0 is a pretty damn good score considering all the criticism against the game. You have to be a stark raving lunatic or a complete fucking fool to believe 8.0 is a bad score.

>>51951460
This is /v/. If it doesn't get a perfect score, it's a shit game. More so if that game was exclusive to a console.

>>51950780
OP here, TF2 really is a diffferent beast. In halo, the strategy is always "run to get my favorite/most powerful weapon, then point in click"

In TF2 you have to read both your team and the opponent's team to pick the right class, and actually be good at it. TF2 is an example of an FPS that really does (usually) require skill, unlike shitty shooters like Halo and MW.

>great story with good characters

>>51951460
It's not the fact that they get graded out of 0 to 10 like you think. It's more like 5 or 6 to 10. and that's where the problem is.

>>51951408
Yeah, it's great actually. The point is never to go by reviews, or at least not by review scores. This goes for any genre.

Does this thread actually exist?

>>51951673
If you really think that any FPS, yes even MW2, is a "point and click game" then you don't play FPS's enough. There's a shitton of stuff that decides the outcome of a firefight before the fight even starts, and aiming plays a small part of it.

>>51951753

It's kinda funny how that's just the general standard, even in schools. At least schools are up front that a score of 70 is Subpar, 80 is average, and anything 60 or below is FAIL.

>implying scores matter

The only people who care about review scores are 13 year olds who want to brag online about how their game is better than other games.

>>51952288


Indeed. Scores and sales are simply to make you feel happy that something you like is doing well in the market.

If they aren't good. Who fucking cares? You like what you bought.

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HOLY SHIT

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AMERICA

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>>51952943
bastard

>>Same as halo 2, but with new weapons and gorgeous graphics
troll detected
>>60 hour run time, great story with good characters
>great story good characters
troll confirmed

>>51952943

Saw the image, deleted before I could maximize it. What was it?

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>>51952943

FUCK YEAH REPORTED AND TERMINATED YOU BASTARD!

what was >>51952943?

>>51953138
you don't really want to know

>>51953138
CP

>>51953138
CP

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What did I miss

i hope he got banned

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