oh lawd

>>51846009
>chrono trigger, shit load of endings

this reminds me... didn't heavy rain's promo have a picture showing how different it was from wrpg/jrpg storylines?

I'm still lol'ing at that pic

You forgot Deus Ex.

Make it so that it's like the WRPG kine, but with a lot more of those choices that don't really effect anything.

>story telling

But i'm playing a video game.

THEN WHO WAS FFXIII

inb4 pnp rpg

>>51846110
chrono is an exception to the rule

>>51846168

And they can't have a good story?

What about Stalker? The ends all depended on how you acted in the game. And what about Bioshock games?

>>51846150
I tried that with 3, but I hate using MS paint, plus my hand hurts, 3 is pretty representative of the choices in WRPGs - they're there, but they don't really do anything, whether those choices be side quests or otherwise

>>51846320

I guess, but it was still goddamned awesome.

>>51846009
>typical JRPG, sometimes has a second ending

So all FF and not just the new one is linear? FF Fans TOLD

I guess Persona 2:EP is a typical WRPG, then.

>>51846174

What is this 'VN' you speak of?

>>51846215
Stalker is a sandbox RPG, it's like trying to put a story to GTA map or something, Stalker does have some main quests, but the story is not central to stalker, you basically make up your own story when you play

>>51846480
lol'd

>>51846497

Visual Novel?

>>51846196
Chrono Trigger just has endings that require you to finish the game at certain points. It's not so much a branching path as a straight road with places you can get off to end the game

>>51846168
Yeah, I'd like games (IE RPGs) that focus on gameplay more than overall story, but as long as you have the people here only want "deep stories" you'll never see that happen

>>51846497
visual novel

>>51846420
I only got past the first few levels of Persona, so I dunno

Guys, you can maybe find one exception to each example, but for the most part, my first post is irrefutable.

Could Tactics Ogre (2) be an exception to the JRPG rule? I never managed to finish it but I've heard that the story branched out radically with each choice.

>>51846618

Well, it's all about the type of game, and what I'm in the mood for.

When playing Quake, I don't want a story. I'm in the game to kill things and wave my dick around. I want to feel like a badass. In a way, the graphics and overall atmosphere help accomplish this; you always feel like a badass each time you blow someone's head apart in an ancient castle.

But sometimes, I really just want to experience a good story. So, I get Silent Hill 2 or something similar. It's just a different type of entertainment.

Sometimes, you get both, like in the case of MGS3.

>>Heavy Rain is a revolutionary attempt at story telling.

expecting troll replies, but surprisingly civil thread

OP is basically right. No RPG I've ever played has had a "true" freedom of choice. Maybe there are a few which stand out, like Bloodlies and Deus Ex, but even they have very linear paths (in-fact Deus only has multiple endings because of the last choices you make, though you can kill off most characters in the game).

Soul Nomad has like 12 endings depending wich secundary character you choose to pay attention and two main games Good and Demon path, thats already more than most WRPG.

>3. Typical WRPG (linear beginning, some choices which effect gameplay, more linear, some different endings, possibly)
I never played a good RPG

>>51846009

>>51846618
exactly

You can have a "deep story" and branching paths, and even good unrecycled gameplay, you just need to plan things out and efficiently create a game world.

But devs would rather waste their time on art and voice acting, I guess, or something. It's really not rocket science.

>>51846986

On the subject of Deus Ex, each choice you make does have a consequence, just not to the ending.

Kill a bunch of terrorists at the fort? The quartermaster thinks you are too violent, and doesn't give you ammo.

Don't kill agent Navarre? Now you have to fight her later, and she taunts you while in your cell.

Kill the terrorist leader in the first mission? Enjoy not getting a mission bonus ever again.

It's nice.