Because from the main menu all you need to do is go to scene selection and choose the chapter 1 to bypass most of that, faggot

If nobody paid anything then all the companies would go bankrupt and the entire media industry would crash.

Because everything in that picture is false. I've never had a DVD with unskippable trailers. The FBI warning, yes, but never trailers.

People usually learn the difference between right and wrong during childhood. Unfortunately, there are some individuals who cannot grasp such basic concepts even at adulthood.

>>50501315

this

>>50501315
Then provide evidence that shows that nobody would pay for anything.

>>50501315
But if I.P. would stop being sold and marketed, only true artists who don't care about money but the satisfaction of people and artistic standards would contribute, and everyone could access it for free.

I don't get how you can think that selling I.P., which is just information, not physical, should cost something?

How is your brain working? I don't get it.

>>50501446
You're asking why you should pay for games,movies etc.
I'm telling you what would happen if everyone thought like you.

>>50501645
You're telling me what would happen yet you don't provide a single evidence to support your claim. Interesting.

It's easier to find and faster to get.

>>50501793
How is it easier finding something and buying it than just downloading it from the internet?

What?

>>50501378
Are we to assume you think these anti-customer actions are right?

>>50501645
the vast majority of people would pirate games or movies if they didn't think it was too hard

>>50501569
The development of IPs and the resources to produce them cost money, and the people who develop them need to eat and provide for themselves and whoever is dependent on them. If they developed IPs for free, countless man hours would be thrown into something that is either half-assed and unappealing if they finished the project quickly, or the return satisfaction would not be equal to the labor put in.

Imagine you started going to work only because you liked your job and told them to stop paying you. It's fine if you like your job that much, but that's not the fucking reason you're going there.

>DVD
>unskippable trailers
Never have I watched a movie, DVD, HD DVD, or Blu ray that did this. Yeah you have to wait 15 seconds for the FBI shit. BAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

This pic is what all the piratefags think is happening. Also nice video games threads.

>>50501378
>implying you're an authority on morals

>>50501960
They can make enough money with additional stuff like merchandise, audio commentaries, artbooks, figurines and such, because if it is truly a great product, there will always be enough fans buying those.

But the main product should be accessible for free for everyone, as the distribution of I.P. doesn't cost anything.

>>50501569
Because somebody put work into developing that IP. In the case of the Matrix they also poured millions upon millions of dollars into the creation of it. There are a fuckton of people who worked and deserve compensation for that work. If I make you a sandwich working behind the counter at a deli you're damn well going to pay for it, and not just for the fucking materials used in making it, otherwise I'd tell you to come behind the counter and make your own fucking sandwich. Now if I wrote a book I would likewise damn well expect you to fucking pay for it if you want to read it.

>>50501199
It's funny how you are too retarded to grasp that if the world was full of people who'd rather coast by on each others coattails you would have no industry, since no one would actually be paying for their creation, the developers lifestyles and all those nice things that comes with living in a luxurious society.

By all means, keep pirating. If you can live with the fact you depend on others, you really aren't going to change.

>>50501741
Are you daft? If everyone could pirate everything for free, why would they pay for it? That's common sense.

>>50502000
>>50501317
>i've only watched 1 DVD in my life

The moralfag reason is that their money is what funds the production of these games/films/albums and while if a few people did it it would have no effect, if everyone in the world had that mindset then entertainment media would completely break down.

Disagree with them or not piratefags, you really should be grateful for the moralfags and the people who don't know better because they're the ones that allow you to get away with it.

I personally buy them because I like to collect and owning them makes me feel warm and fuzzy inside.

>>50502221
So you're saying that if murder was legal, everyone would be dead by now?

Some peopel act because of their morals, not because they have a legal obligation to do so.

>>50502153
So you're telling me, Avatar would profit if they sold fucking toys and merchandise instead?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuxMJ8lnYA4

>>50502153
No they really couldn't...when a company makes merchandise they don't even get the all the money used to buy it, the company that made it get's most of it. Take video games for example, when you buy a new video game the store you buy it from really doesn't get anything from your purchase, the company that produced it and gave it to you gets the money.

>FUUUUUUUU!
>FUUUUHHHHHHH!
>FOOOOOOOOO!

>>50502328
>Avatar would profit if they sold fucking toys and merchandise instead?

>In conjunction with the release of the epic Avatar, Twentieth Century Fox will launch a merchandising campaign that introduces more than 125 products, that encompasses the worlds of video games, toys, apparel, and publishing.

u r dum

>>50502328
well, avatar wouldn't, because it was shitty, but good movies would profit that way, yes. see: disney

Can a piratefag just give me one, just ONE, genuinely decent strawman why I wouldn't pay actual real money for video games that I like from companies that actually deserve the money, such as with STALKER?

>>50502326
How would an Industry survive if NOBODY GOT PAID? You think Hollywood will suddenly turn into a fucking charity?

>>50502153

Bullshit.

It costs money to produce and distribute physical media. It also costs money to host and digitally distribute said media, which is why in the case of games it usually costs just as much to buy a digital copy. Yes, that's right, it costs Valve money to host shit on Steam. They get their cut of the profits as a result. Nothing is free. FUCKING NOTHING.

For the record I pirate sometimes too but I am aware that it is wrong and I don't try to justify it to myself or to other people, unlike some fucking faggots. Just torrent shit and shut the fuck up about it. You're not a hero and what you're doing isn't right because it's costing somebody, somewhere, money.

>>50502328
Avatar is a big piece of shit and it would have been the best for everyone if it was never produced.

>>50502307
After the FBI warning there's something called a 'dvd menu' button that you can press, and viola! no trailers

>press Root Menu button on remote
>skips straight to the movie menu, skipping all the previews
>play movie
>FBI warning, THX, etc.
Also, my laptop's CD/DVD reader is crapped out, so if I download a movie, I can't put it on a DVD to watch in a friend's DVD player. So if I want to show them a good comedy, like Animal House, I need a physical copy that I can pop in to their DVD player to watch on a television. I mean, really, a computer screen is not something you can crowd six people around.

>>50502153
Hundreds of thousands of movies and games exist, but we as a society list the magnum opuses in short lists. If we centralized our standards to ONLY the best of the best and accepted nothing else, the entertainment industry would be dull as hell.

>>50502436
I'm presupposing that downloading copyrighted material would be made legal. You can still buy it if you want to.

>Make uncrackable movie / game
>Never have to worry about pirates

You'd think developers would have figured this out about twenty years ago

>>50502439
physical media and the steam service have added value, you are paying for the convenience of that distribution method. if it wasn't free to duplicate and upload the pirated copy, people wouldn't be doing it for free, it's that simple.

>>50502532
Wow, there are even more failed pseudo-intellectuals here than at 420chan.

If you really like something, it's nice to have a physical copy of it.

>>50502532
Who's gunna buy it if you can get it for free? You're certainly not, and I'm certainly not.

Pay for what you like. Support the good shit. Pirate everything else.

>>50502491
>viola

also OPERATION WAS PREVENTED BY THIS DISC

>pirate games music and movies like no tomorrow
>understand that even if I would have bought a copy if I couldn't pirate it, one sale means nothing to a game retailer (Gamestop is doing just fine you faggots), and even less than nothing to a publisher since they already got their money from Gamestop. Devs don't even enter into it since they get screwed by a publisher either way


oh, and buying a used game is essentially pirating and then throwing your money away

fuck them, who cares, let them waste there money and time on Bruce Willis next shit cop money

>>50502439
Sharing IP doesn't cost anything beside the electricity/internet bills, which don't count.

Developers don't have to host their product themselves, they can put torrents of such and similar, which are also faster than direct downloads from some shitty paid servers.

>>50502415
I'd like to see them earn over 500 million dollars on those toys, dipshit.

>>50502610
Yet you don't have a single arguement.

>>50502647
Downloading copyrighted material was legal in my country until 2006. People bought intellectual properpty before that. Just because you don't have any morals doesn't mean that I don't.

>>50502427
Every time somebody pirates STALKER I kill a puppy.

I seriously wish the MPAA/RIAA would step up their copyright suits. I want there to be a 1 in 10 chance of these fucks getting caught and hauled into court.

>>50502497
you can plug a computer into your tv

>>50502497
>he doesn't have an HDMI cable to go between his computer and a TV

>>50502497
how does i media server

>>50502670
Impressive, must be some HARDCORE MOVIES ONLY REAL MOVIE WATCHERS WATCH

>>50502726
*argument

>>50502649
>support
fuck them. i'm not a charity

>>50502730
herp derp use tax payer money to help corporations

>>50501315

>Implying that the destruction of the media industry would be a bad thing

>>50502726
Ironically, neither do you. You have piss-poor assumptions and shit-tier strawmen.

Pirate to test drive.
Good game, buy it.
Bad game, delete it.

Rent the game from the store with only shitty youtube videos and reviews detailing the game.
Good game, buy it. You lost 5 bucks because you rented it and 5 bucks on gas going there and back.
Bad game, drive back to the store, return it, "no refunds on rentals", drive back home. You lose 5 bucks from the game and 10 bucks on gas.

>>50501199
OP pic is all the reason i need to justify why i pirate.

Logic > Morals

>>50502726
Do you have the figures of sales before and after 2006 for video games in your country? I'm going to go ahead and mimic your assuming prowess and say that you're not sharing that because it invalidates your entire argument.

>>50502439
>>You're not a hero and what you're doing isn't right because it's costing somebody, somewhere, money.

But not me so i dont give a fuck

>>50501199
How about the desire to not be ass fucked into oblivion by getting sued for all the illegal content you possess. Maybe when you're older than 13 and realize that your actions have consequences that will haunt you for the rest of your life you can grow up and start paying for shit you worthless fucking bum.

THX SOUND

>>50502756
No I do not. Kinda gotta spend my money on food, gas, and car payments at the moment.

>>50502839
My only argument is that you can't prove that nobody would support the IP industry if downloading copyrighted material was legal.

>He complaining about warnings and advetisements
>He eats popcorn and soda when he watches movies at home.

herp derp I hate pirates cause I dont know how to pirate myself

>>50502867
>Good game, buy it. You lost 5 bucks because you rented it and 5 bucks on gas going there and back.

2 gallons of gas? You live in Middle Of Nigger, Kansas?

>>50502307
My family has several hundred DVDs.

I have only had to deal with unskippable ads in like 10 of the older ones.

>>50502427
Because you can get it for free, and the profit made on your individual copy of the game is so vanishingly small relative to the total that it doesn't matter for any game/movie/other media that's remotely popular.
It's the same reason lots of people don't vote in national elections. Your individual vote will make no difference at all, guaranteed.

>>50503049
Well, I personally live in the country. The nearest vidya store is quite a ways away.

OH WUTSU DAT MICLOSOFT!? YOU SHITTY PLATFORM PLAGUEDU BY PILATES!?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>50502937
i'm not that guy but
http://www.google.com/search?q=pirates+buy+more

take a few clicks around. there are multiple studies that show that people who pirate are more likely to spend more on music and such than people who don't. it stands to reason that if piracy was more accessible and less risky, more people would be likely to pirate, and therefore buy more.

>>50501199
>>50502872

Because you would not be able to watch a movie at all? Logic > Pirating

>>50502937
No, but it's moot since the argument was that NOBODY would pay for IP if it was legal to download it.

>>50503041
And you can't prove that people will, to the point where the amount paid would be enough to sustain the production company. Your shitty argument works both ways.

>>50503041
What kind of argument is that? Yeah sure noone would buy anything if everything was free.

>>50502194
if i wrote a book or made a game or made a fucking 3minute video i'd be happy that millions of people are enjoying it. thats the point. and the world agrees see youtube a little site that costs you nothing yet has tons of people on there who are happy that millions watched their video and liked it.

greed and money suck the life out of what is essentially art. a game is not the fucking mona lisa but its a different form of art.

when i was young i thought the purpose of copyright was so people did not steal an idea and claim it as their own, now i know its so massive jew companies can squeeze money out of you.

i have nothing against paying for games, if i want the box with a nice art and shit and a decent manual i will buy it, but if i don't want that i'll download the iso image of that dvd for free. it costs the makes of that game nothing for me to do that .

if you argue that 'if everyone did that hurr durr' then you lose , if everyone went to the left side of a bus it would tip over but is there a law against doing that is it immoral to sit on the left side of a bus just incase everyone did that ?

>>50501199
op is obviously jobless

>>50503020
if your bills have you so strapped for cash that you can't afford a 2 dollar cable, why the fuck are you wasting time on 4chan instead of working/finding a better job?

>>50502194
Yeah, fuck those library niggers!

I don't buy DVDs, but I do have a Netflix subscription.

It's really no more hassle than pirating (I used to all the time), and pretty cheap. Small price to pay to not feel like a criminal.

>>50503017
and maybe when you grow up you'll learn the difference between what companies WANT you to believe (that they have eyes on you and will find you and sue you), and the truth (that they're waving their dicks in the dark).

>>50501960
>The development of IPs and the resources to produce them cost money

if you only pirate you are not supporting the artist and developers who make the shit you love.

i go on a "LIKE IT/BUY IT" i download stuff but if i find it to be to entertaining and awesome i buy it. to support more cool shit like this being produced

TL;DR VOTE WITH WALLET! BUY SHIT YOU LIKE

The argument against piracy is entirely a moral one. We can't resort to the standard "what if everyone did it" test of ethical quandries because it's plain that situation would never arise. There was music before the RIAA. There were novels before copyright. There were games before the gaming industry.

There are people out there who produce and share for the sheer joy of altruism and artistic communication. I am one. To have someone actually play my goddamn game AND LIKE IT - tremendous. Even if no one paid a dime for any game, people like me would still make them. Even though developers don't get paid jack shit (the game design industry is BRUTAL, 95% of profits go to the publisher), they would still make them. I know several devs. They're hunky-dory with piracy. Take. Play. Share.

Then of course, there's the mountain of evidence that piracy actually *increases* sales. Photoshop and Windows owe their early existence to the fact that unlike their competitors, they were willing to look the other way.

>>50503041
Burden of proof doesn't lie with me, you're the one trying to justify your outlandish claims of this being fair, or your stupidly simple claim that some people would still buy things if not buying them wasn't illegal (that goes without saying, it doesn't mean that it wouldn't give a huge blow to at least the AMERICAN game market). You guys are generally the only ones trying to justify these ideas and that they would be fair, or probably the only ones even caring about fairness. You realize you guys are being prodded slowly into actually caring about this and starting to seem like moralfags yourself by coming up with these justifications?

Because it's cute.

>>50502307
I own hundreds. Maybe I just don't buy shitty movies that need to force you to watch all the trailers.

>>50503233
Two dollar cable? Really? HDMI tends to be such an expensive word, though.

>>50503020
http://www.bluejeanscable.com/store/hdmi-cables/index.htm

Tartan cable 28, less than 4 bucks.

Stop buying shit from Best Buy

I download shit and if its really good, I'll buy it to show my appreciation and to indirectly give my monees to the developers. I bought Call of Duty 5 before I downloaded it... last time I shall ever buy something before stealing it off the interweb.

tl;dr buy stuff i like

Because you're stealing?

>>50503098
Well. Shit. Carry on, then.

>>50503017
herp derp STOP YOU CRIMINAL SCUM!

>>50503212
Yes the video game industy would flourish if ALL the big publishers and developers just stopped selling anything, because hey, people appreciate it.

>>50503338
Huh, well, never knew. Still won't buy one, as I have no need for it.

>>50502427
Stalker doesn't run on my PC. I get a black screen every time I try to load it up. My PC specs are not an issue. I regret spending money on this game.

>>50503305

>
Then of course, there's the mountain of evidence that piracy actually *increases* sales. Photoshop and Windows owe their early existence to the fact that unlike their competitors, they were willing to look the other way

Oh wow. Seriously. You think Windows got popular because of piracy? What a fucking tool.

>>50503184
That wasn't the argument in the first place. Still, the industry had no problems supporting itself while downloading was legal.

>>50503200
So you act because you are legally obliged to do so, not because you think supporting the industry is the right thing to do? You sure have shitty morals.

>>50503349
>indirectly give my monees to the developers
RETAIL SUPPLY CHAINS DO NOT WORK THAT WAY

GOODNIGHT

The last 6 panels on your chart would still be there even if you pirated a DVD rip.

Whether or not you choose to purchase a game, you still have the option of playing it. This leaves the only difference between the two as the publisher getting money if you chose to buy it. As such, I use a purchase of a game to broadcast several two to the publisher: I think the price they're asking is reasonable and they should price more games like this, I think it is a good game and they should encourage the developer to make more like it. Think of it like donating money with a free game on the side.

I totally would watch unskippable trailer #3
Actually this movie is gonna suck ass

>>50503453
>Still, the industry had no problems supporting itself while downloading was legal in my own subjective example that I will now hold as a world average by pretending my country is the only one in existence.

Are you SURE you're not from America?

>>50503453
>equating morals with perfect capitalism
you're such a good little sheep

>>50503327
If your arguement is that A causes B which causes C, and C is bad, you do not only need to prove A leads to B but that B leads to C.

I pay for my games, I'm just pointing out the stupidity of the argument.

>>50503505
>publisher getting money

WRONG

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MY mind is blown.

>>50503553
No, I'm Swedish.

I pirate some things.

I rent some things.

I purchase some things new.

I purchase some things used.


Depends on what it is, how much it costs and hokw much effort it will take to obtain it.

If I really feel like watching a movie I don't own -right now-, I'll stream it.

If there's a game released I feel is worth my money (Bioshock 2's collector edition, for example) I'll purchase it.

If I want Lady Gaga music to micspam on TF2, I'll just download it.

I'm not a moralfag, I pirate just about every game I've played. But, the people who make these games, not the cold hearted executives and such, but the programmers, the spriters, the graphic artists, the behind the scenes people work day and night creating the video game you steal and the money that the company makes goes to them. Don't they deserve that money?

3 reasons:

1.Pirated shit takes forever to download,often crashes/is full of bugs,copyright portection,etc.
2.Someone makes these.They put some effort,and you just steal it.
3.Legal copies come in pretty boxes.

>>50503625
Might want to start spending less time on here. You're starting to become as delusional as the average American.

I find it interesting when it's people that really claim to love games and want to go work in the industry that think pirating is perfectly fine.

If you want to work thousands of hours so that some punk can enjoy your work without giving you any kind of reward, that's fine with me. But most intelligent people would probably expect money for their hard work in order to live a somewhat comfortable life.

>>50503713

They still get paid either way.

>>50503453
You probably think that books cost money primarily because of the paper they're printed on, right?

Dumbfuck. Information has value, and it's completely moronic to expect people to not charge for it. Go ahead and pirate stuff if you want (I do) but don't pretend that things would magically work out just fine if it were legal. Piracy only works because only a small portion of people actually do it. If everyone started to, there'd be nothing to pirate pretty quickly and PC gaming would be stuck with nothing but subscription-based MMOs and shitty ad-supported browser games.

Keeping piracy illegal but only lightly enforced is the best thing for everyone, including the pirates. Sure, shit happens occasionally and someone gets arrested/fined. It's still better than a lot of other alternatives.

>>50501199

I won't waste my breath trying to explain a simple right/wrong, payment-for-services basis for why one should pay for things.

You are supposed to learn this shit in fucking kindergarten. What are you, a goddamn fool?

Only idiots don't pirate. Why the fuck wouldn't you want your shit for free? Stop being a pussy.

>>50503350
Oh, an imbecile newfag! Let's educate him.

>>50503773
So you're saying that there was no intellectual property until copyright laws were invented?

Is a man not entitled to the royalties of his work?

>>50503801

Only idiots pirate. Why would you ever want to support the decline and destruction of PC gaming?

>>50503801

I don't know. Some of us were raised properly while others weren't.

It's not big deal.

Piratefag here, with a point.

I pirate videogames. Lost of them. Every decent release, whether I end up playing them, or not.

If I did not pirate them, there is no way in hell I would buy them. So..either way, they wouldn't be making money out of me. I am, as most pirates are, taking nothing from these companies, as it is not "pirate instead of buying" rather just "pirate."

>>50501378

Morals are relative and no absolute. Pirates could justify by saying that the end product isn't work the money due to DLC or disc protection or something like that.

>>50503714
>Pirated shit takes forever to download,often crashes/is full of bugs,copyright portection,etc.

The fact that people still think this is the only reason piracy isn't widespread.

>>50503799
>You probably think that books cost money primarily because of the paper they're printed on, right?

lol no, the only idiot here is you who thinks that information has value is a novel thought.

>>50503041
The answer? Working by the honor system to support big name big money investments is stupid.

If you can fathom that there's people who are willing to pay just because they can and should, you should also be able to understand that many people are not going to.

It wouldn't kill video games, but a lot of the things we're privy to today would not be feasible. Voice acting? Don't expect good voice acting. Excellent musical scores? Maybe they know a nobody with some talent. The engines that games are built upon? I doubt that devs made the Cryengine and Source under the presumption they'd get nothing out of it but good feelings.

Pirates won't get stuff like this.

>>50503833


There wouldn't be, if there were intellectual property rights without laws to back them up it would be pointless.

So, yes, there were none.

If you wanna pirate, fine. Keep it to yourself. You're just a grain of sand on the financial beach, they won't miss your sell.

But for fuck's sake, don't try to convert other people into pirates. That's just multiplying the harm you're doing for no benefit to you except your ego's inflation.

>>50503920
so if you were unable to pirate, you would not play any new releases?

>>50502497
And it's the pirates fault you fucked up your dvd drive? wat?

Uselss arguement is useless.

>>50504018
With IP I meant music, art, games etc. I knew you would point that out...

>>50503979

If you don't think information has value than you are a dumbfuck.

If I had true and tested information on how to increase people's lifespan by 200 years I could tell you that I would easily be one of the richest men on the planet.

>>50501199
Your money is just as fictional as the value of these I.P.

That's a pretty damn good reason.

>>50504050

Nope. I'd likely just play a friend's, if they bought it. Games are pretty expensive, with no real justification for that expense.

IIT: Moralfaggots thinking they will change pirates from pirating.

buncha cockbags

>>50503778
The punk wouldn't give you any reward anyway.

If he hadn't pirated it he probably wouldn't have bought it, and even if he did he wouldn't buy it from the developer. He'd buy it from a retail chain (gamestop hurr) that bought it from a publisher that bought the rights to sell the license to own the intellectual property from the developer. The dev gets that money from the publisher and nothing else, and if you think dev teams actually get a percentage of revenue you're a moron.

>>50503800
Ever studied Game Theory? This is basic prisoner's dilemma shit, only the number of players is so huge that you don't have any measurable effect individually on anyone's payout but your own. You're choosing between getting something for free, with no consequences, and paying for the same thing with the potential of additional shit that will fuck up your computer, and hassle you if you try to use it in a way the published didn't want you to. It's a no-brainer, rationally speaking.

>>50504116
Reading comprehension much?

I said that "information has value" is an old idea and the fact that you think it's some cool new unique thought makes you look stupid. Everyone knows that information has value.

>>50503898

PC gaming has been in a decline before pirating was a big problem faggot.

>>50503910

>Insinuating those that are raised right DON'T pirate. Give me a fucking break moralfag.

>>50504126
Moralfagging works for both for both side of the specter.

Do people honestly believe that the majority of the money is going to the developers and not in the pockets of the publishers?

"Moralfags" don't make it a goal to try and support big companies. They simply buy the product based on its quality. If it sucks, they don't buy it. If it is good they probably will buy it.

Supply and demand motherfuckers. Have fun getting away with stealing.

All information should be free.

If I was selling something that I could duplicate unendingly for practically no time/money/effort, I would be decried as a con man.

With piracy, the moral issue is non-existent, and to claim one has/lacks moral fiber based on whether one does/does not pirate is purely disingenuous. I am pretty certain the issue is only framed in this way for trolling purposes, whether here on /v/ or in anti-piracy advertisements.

If I made something, and then told everyone that I had made it, and then told everyone that they could not see/touch/use/observe/experience it, I would be thought of as a mad man. If I then said that some people could see it, for an entry fee, but left the back door unlocked and unguarded, I would be thought of as an idiot. In either case, again, morals have no relevance.

Anyway, that aside, all the anti-pirates who have never seen an infringing image on this site or anywhere else, never seen a pirated TV show, film, or other video, never listened to an infringing tune on, say, Youtube, or pirate radio, or on a locally stored hard drive, and never read an infringing book/comic/essay/etc, I say to you, at least you are consistent, because apart from you few, everyone who is vocally against piracy, indulges in it themselves completely hypocritically, and, I would venture, hypocrisy is an actual matter of morals, or rather, a lack thereof.

>>50504230

sorry to correct you, but it's "both sides of the spectrum".

>>50504130

Yes, but if no one buys all the games the company bought due to pirating they will buy less games next time and the developer will lose money. And you better fucking believe that retail chains meticulously check to see what people are and are not buying.

>>50504233

Do people honestly believe that publishers shouldn't be compensated? If developers could self-publish successfully often, don't you think it would happen more often? Publishers are important, and they deserve compensation for their expenditures.

>>50504212
That is a completely inaccurate unless you can prove with dates when piracy started being a problem.

I want to see a movie, It's in the theater now. But an R5 gets released on a site I am a member on. Do I now drive 45 min and pay 15$ + gas to see the movie with a bunch of retards sitting next to me.

Or do I click download and watch the movie on my own TV within 5 min. Or why not wait like 4 months for it to be released on DVD and then buy it for 25$?
fuck morals

>>50503713
>>But, the people who make these games, not the cold hearted executives and such, but the programmers, the spriters, the graphic artists, the behind the scenes people work day and night creating the video game you steal and the money that the company makes goes to them. Don't they deserve that money?

Yes. But if you buy the game they don't get it anyway.

$1 Say you spend a dollar on a videogame.
$0.5 A third to a half goes to the store you bought it from. (rounding up to keep the math easy)
$0.1 Publisher takes 80% MINIMUM

That dime then theoretically goes to the developers. Who have to use it to repay their loan to the publisher for the capital to develop the game. Say a game costs a million dollars to make. It has to sell at least TEN million copies before the actual developers get a goddamn dime. The rest goes to the publisher, pure fucking profit for an initial outlay. That's why so many development companies fold after a game or two, and why so few publishers do.

So nah. If you really wanna reward the developers, pirate the game and leave a $10 bill on their doorstep. Hell of a lot more that they'd see otherwise.

>>50504208
Right. Clearly it has nothing at all to do with the fact that people who argue that the system would work out just fine if the video game industry was supported by charity plainly don't understand it. Nothing in that post suggested that it was a new idea, just that there are still dumbfucks who don't quite grasp that just because something is free to copy doesn't mean it was free to produce.

>>50504262

>If I was selling something that I could duplicate unendingly for practically no time/money/effort, I would be decried as a con man.

Huh? When does that begin to make sense. If you could do that you would be considered an economic genius. Now if your product didn't work you'd be considered a conman, but making something cheaply and effectively is not deceptive in the slightest. I do like the rest of your argument, but this is just a small logical fallacy that I want to point out.

>>50501378

You are the most breath-taking entity I've ever seen on this site.

Piracy is so much better than buying stuff.
If i buy a movie i have to watch trailers, watch an anti-piracy commercial, go through logos and fbi warnings etc...
If i put a movie on xmbc i get all the information i want about that movie from IMDB, a boxart/film poster, and a background image based on the movie, it starts as soon as i launch it.
& using a usbloader with my wii improves load times, makes the games smaller, has a far more attractive interface than the default wii gui, and can load cheat files.
It's the same with the PSP when it comes to load times and compression, it also expands the interface and allows the use of emulators which makes the psp significantly better. Also makes the PSP more portable, as having 20+ games on a memory stick is way more convenient than bringing them around with you.

>>50504262

ME GUSTA

It cannot be proved that pirates wouldn't buy the games if they couldn't download them.

Money lost = £0

ELL OH ELL

>>50504510

sorry, 'would'. Not 'wouldn't'

>>50504262

So videogames should be free for all? Tell me oh mighty one how the industry would sustain itself with no revenue. Enjoy your nothing but indie freeware games for the rest of eternity.

>>50504510

You can't prove otherwise either, moron. I used to be a game pirate. I would've bought a lot of those games had I not downloaded them.

After a few years, I've bought a few, but not nearly all of the ones I would've paid for. Feels bad man, in retrospect.

Picture a world where everyone is starving. There is one baker and he's the only one who knows how to make bread. He sells the bread for high profits, so only the rich are able to survive and the poor all die off. One day, a poor guy realizes this isnt fair and he steals the bread recipe. He then goes off to his own factory and starts making tons of bread and charges nothing for it. Soon all the poor people go to him for the bread and everyone is allowed to live

So tell me, who is the evil one: the greedy baker, or the martyr who took his recipe.?

>>50504573

I think it works out just fine as it is. You pay for it, and i'll get it for free.

I like this system. It means I beat you chumps, and keep my cash ^^

>>50504439
Well I was talking primarily about data. But even if we're talking about physical media, the economies of scale are pretty impressive on disc printing. So I think you're seeing a flaw where one does not exist.

>>50504573
Ask the Free Software Foundation. They seem to be doing a pretty good job of it.

>>50504287
>if no one buys all the games the company bought due to pirating they will buy less games next time and the developer will lose money.

This is such a simplistic view of actual business I have to wonder how old you are.

First of all, I'll assume by "company" you mean "retail chain." Now, you don't seem to understand the difference between distributing a license to use IP, and a physical item created in a shop.

See, the developer isn't making discs and selling them to the publisher who then sells it to the public. The devs make the game, and then the publisher buys the rights to the game. Once. One transaction. That is the extent of the developer's involvement. They're out of the picture after that.

The publisher prints discs and markets and does cross-promotions with gamestop and all the lovely things our marketing-based economy does, gamestop buys a crapload of discs and sells them at their stores, and then makes extra profit by selling used games which is basically making money from nothing.

>>50504573
Don't forget subscription-based MMOs. And console shit. But it's a moot point, because piracy will never become universal or legal, and that's good for the pirates because it means we actually have something to pirate. Dumbfuck idealists wanting to legalize downloads of copyrighted material will kill not only piracy, but all decent video games if they succeed. They won't, though, because people on both sides realize that they're fucking stupid.

>>50504671

>comparing not playing video games to dying of starvation

Stay classy, /v/.

>>50504392

It's a well known fact that the booming console industry forced the PC industry into a decline. Most consumers don't want to buy a $1000+ PC when you can buy a $300 console with good graphics and better games.

So basically, pretty much around the PS2/Xbox/Gamecube gen.

>>50504668

No, you can't prove either scenario is correct. So if we were to assume that half would and half wouldn't, the only person who is actively taking money is the one who would have bought those games if pirating was not an option.

>>50504671
Christ, you guys are now heroes who save the people? This Industry isn't here to help people, it's to provide entertainment.

>>50504573
even indie devs are not doing it out of kindness, it's usually paying or to put themselves on the map so they can make more games in the future. They need to eat too, just so you know.

>>50504671

Holy goddamned shit you people are desperate to justify your piracy. You've gone so low to utilize horrible analogies that are not similar at all to the situation at hand.

>>50504573
Not just videogames, ALL information should be free. Almost all videogames ARE free anyway, so I don't really see your point.

I have to wonder, what exactly is it about the big budget, media-saturating titles that you love so much?

Personally I would be happy with just the current indie, freeware games. If no-one ever made another game, AND all existing retail games were erased from existence, there'd still be more than enough great games for one lifetime.

>>50504782

I wasn't saying that it was an absolute WOULD BUY or WOULDN'T BUY situation.

The fact of the matter is, you can't say it happens all of the time one way or the other. But you can say it's probable that some would buy the game.

Ergo, the loss is not "zero". Not necessary equal to the number of downloads, but it's certainly a figure.

Pic related. It's every pirate.

Good, honest people who aren't in the pocket of the media machine. Revolutionary souls who know that imagination is a right to all people, and not just to the rich.

Keep on truckin', my comrades.

>>50504712
And what happens to the developer if everybody gets the game for free? You think the publisher will just say "too bad" and give them more money?

>>50504823

Have fun wasting money on shit you could've had for free.

>>50504573
The industry is 99.99% bloat and faggotry, and anyone who thinks it's fine and/or should be supported is a bit of an idiot, in my opinion.

Same goes for anyone who doesn't think that freeware games are great.

>>50504693
>implying the free software model would work for most of the games /v/ talks about
In order to make mass-market video games, you need lots of people working on them as a full-time job. They have to be paid somehow.

>>50502153

So you're saying a guy should show up to work every day, pour hours, days, months, years into developing a game, writing code, developing graphic assets, crafting a story/premise, characters, dialogue, balancing any multiplayer assets, playtesting, bugfixing, all so they can go home and starve?

People provide services and we pay for them. That's how this shit works.

>>50504840
That's fine but why don't you stick with free games instead to pirate those that are not free then? oh that's right you are just a hypocrite prick.

>>50504840
Wow great, have fun playing with your sticks.

i dont pay for "everyday" movies. i only pay for movies that im a fan of and are theatrical masterpieces. any thing from Fight Club, to Bladerunner, to Sin City. only pay for movies that you would "want".

>>50504840

>your tastes aren't as indie as my tastes, ergo it's my right to say that everybody would be satisfied with my tastes and the industry should just die and we'll all be happy n_n

Nope, sorry, I'll probably never have as much fun with an indie game as a BioWare RPG. If you're happy with just indie titles, fine. Play only freeware for the rest of your life. Don't pirate any of these "high-budget games" that you don't care about. Everybody wins.

>>50504906
>>50504671
>>50504262

Pirates: They are actually convinced enough that they are right to think they have the moral high ground on this issue. You aren't doing anything buy giving yourself a free ride from others work. I don't even mean the developers or publishers. If all paying customers took your stance on the industry nobody would buy a single game, and the industry itself would die overnight.

How is this not posted in every one of these threads? All I see here is strawman vs strawman.

Hmm... the only reason I buy games is to support developers really, and I like to have physical copies (burning to a disc aside). I only buy new games to support developers of games that I enjoy and used games for everything else, which some developers are now grumbling is just as bad as piracy.

The minute the used game market goes down, piracy will skyrocket again.

>>50505028
nice taste

>>50502715

>don't count
>money involved doesn't count
>doesn't count
>MONEY DOESN'T COUNT

you've lost all credit in this argument

>>50505111

As if this issue will ever amount to any more than you moralfags being asspained about paying for shit while I get it for free.

Insult my values, my morality, call me a thief, call for my arrest, my prosecution, the confiscation of all my things.

It's really just because you pay for things, and I don't.

BOO FUCKING HOO, LOSER.

>>50505111

That can be said about ANYTHING faggot. The industry isn't going anywhere but up, even with piracy, considering FUCKING CONSOLES make up 80% of the industries fucking revenue.

>>50505028
But if you are playing something it's usually because you want it. In most case there are more than enough demo to make yourself an idea of the game.

>>50504956

Contribute here, faggots.

>>50504906
This.

My fellow pirates, we may be labeled as thieves and evil-doers and scum, but don't give in, we're doing the right thing, we are fighting for a better world, a world upon which freedom shines through the thick fog of corporate lies and schemes.

We are the heroes of our age, fighting for what our ancestors based our world on, freedom, knowledge and happiness.

Never give up, my dear pirates, even if everything looks so hopeless and dark, and you get tempted by the vile corporate bastards to spend a cent on their products.. Don't. Bravely find a torrent, download it and seed it for the world with all you've got.

I believe in you, heroes.

Do you like getting paid money for work you do?
Do you like getting paid money for things you have created or worked on?

Thought so. Buy things, idiots.

>>50503212
>No time/money/effort

I'm sorry, how much money did Jonathan Blow spend on making Braid? Six figures, I think it was? Took out loans, if I remember correctly, which is why the game was 15 dollars. How long did he take to make it? More than a year, I'm sure.

A year of time and six figures worth of effort.

>>50505161
at the middle panel, the correct response is "no they don't", since the reason the strawman is using is the invasive and problematic DRM, if there was no protection he would be buying it

>>50501569
Nobody does art for art's sake you dipshit. It always has a purpose. You know what all the greatest works of art have in common? THEY WERE COMMISIONED/BEING PAID FOR!

>>50505444

Do you like paying $60 for a game only to find out it FUCKING FAILS AND YOU'VE WASTED MONEY?

Didn't think so. Maybe you should pirate, faggot.

>>50505049
I think you missed the point of the hypothetical scenario there, but fair enough, I see your point. Personally, I don't believe there is such a thing as 'indie tastes.' As far as I'm concerned, a good game is a good game, regardless of its origins.

I was trying to point out that there is no reason that big budget titles are inherently superior. Quite often, they are not. Let's face it; the majority of games are made purely for the purpose of marketability/profit, hence things like 'shovelware' and clones.

Anyway, personally I would be happy for the industry to collapse, and I think only fanboys such as yourself would feel differently, I mean, assuming you were serious when you basically said that 'Bioware games are better than anything that could be made independently in my lifetime.'

ITT hippies vs. working people

Troll thread.

>>50505615
It's called research, you idiot.
Thanks to this I've literally never bought a game I don't like.

>>50505615

Nothing wrong with this, so long as you buy if you continue playing after a decent portion of the game. An amount reasonable for a demo, at least. If you play through the ENTIRE thing then justify not buy because "shit sucked", then you're an idiot. You shouldn't have played that much if it was really so horrid.

>>50505439
This.

No matter how the shackled man keeps you down, my friends, you shall hold the righteous torch ever higher, knowing that your efforts are doing their bit to keep the flag of freedom aloft!

They will call you a thief, and a pervert! They will insult your moral code, and tell you that you are a parasite! But you must always strive to show them the way. These men and woman are enchained by the stronger forces of industrial blight and financial servitude. They must be shown the way.

Information, entertainment and imagination is a right, my friends, NOT a privilege!

>>50505626
Alright, so what indie games do you play that are superior to "big budget" games?

this thread has a lot of hurr's and durr's in it

I'll give you a reason that doesn't involve economics:

Just breaking the seal on a new game box and removing the disc/card from within, smelling the stale factory air and leafing through the instruction manual is pleasure unknown to pirates.

>>50505615
I'm pretty sure a lot of work you have done wasn't up to someone else's standards. I bet you still got paid for it though.

Morons.

>>50505363
i was talking movies bro. for games im more strict. for one thing i dont own 10 FPS's like a fool. i only buy games that are different in there own way. things like Metal Gear, Shadow, Uncharted, Fallout, or anything that try's something new. but for "everyday" games, well thats another story

>>50505818

and a hundred thousand steam users cried.

I would buy games if they weren't all ~8 hour shooters based on set pieces.

>>50505626

Not the guy you were replying to but I feel that big budget titles do tend to be better. They certainly tend to have a lot more content then most of the indie games I've seen.

Most shovelware and clones don't sell for shit either.

On the other hand I do agree with you about the industry dying. I certainly don't like the way were heading. I'd prefer if developers could start from the ground up without all the shit in the industry as it is.

I normally pirate my DS games but I bought the new Ace Attorney because I like the games, don't mind having to pay £20 for them and I want to encourage Capcom to make more.

so there you go. there's a reason. to encourage the developer to make more

sage for troll thread