>No more charging a marine and one-shotting him
Nope, now it's charge in, heavy attack and then light attack/grab.

>>50401863
Someone needs to learn to melee as a marine

>>50401976
if they catch you slightly off guard by 1 second? You're dead, if they're too far to be melee'd while they ice skate towards you? You're dead.

Seriously, that heavy attack is the bane of my games.

>>50401863
Yeah but that takes some skill instead of one button to win game.

It's like a good Pyro in TF2, a good Alien is leagues beyond his fellow HISSSSSSSers.

Cons:
- Aliens:
--- Sparks on feet, what the flying fuck is this
--- No on-demand live headbites
--- Melee is absolutely dependent on the enemy not sucking
--- I wish vents were done a little better. I like that you can leap into vents by targeting them; I absolutely do NOT like that this is your only option. I wish you could just crawl into them normally instead of turning it into a miniature pixel-hunt.
- Predator:
--- NO TROPHY COLLECTION. Big disappointment.
--- The spear felt tacked on, especially since the "it returns to you after a short time" isn't actually explained or implemented. Would have preferred the speargun.
--- No energy regeneration. Even if it were slow, I'd have preferred that to the "find a source" method. Granted, he's less dependent on it now, since cloaking doesn't take energy by nature (at least, not on normal -- maybe it does in the other difficulties?), but, still.
--- Didn't let you do the hand-to-hand with the Queen. That was one of the most epic battles in the original game, and I was really hoping they'd do it this time.
- Marine:
--- Flare system sucks. I know the goal here was to have fewer situations where it's truly needed, and to have it be more of a complement to the primary light source, the flashlight, but it still sucked big time.
--- Very few weapons. I liked that he could only carry three at a time, but where was the fucking minigun?!
--- Fighting Bishop's androids was stupid. It would have been okay if they kept it to the very last part, when you're nearing the end, but I played the Marine campaign to be shuffling through dark corridors looking for Aliens, not playing Mindless Shootan 12.

>>50402023
Lrn2lookaround and not be caught off guard. Either way you cannot deny the classes are all well balanced.

>>50402023
>Find shotgun
>One-shoot any aliens trying to get close
>Feel good again

I see your point though.

- General pros and cons:
--- Collectibles are always a retarded idea
++ Level designs were a little better. The Marine was still runnin n' gunnin between checkpoints, but for the other two, the levels were built around you having options to you, and I liked that.
--- Obvious complaint: Way too short. I blazed through the three campaigns on normal mode in about six hours. A couple deaths here and there (with more than a couple on fucking Bishop's OP shotgun, but mostly blazed through. I'll be retrying it on hard, and then probably on the hardest, but Aliens and Predator got shortchanged BAD.
++ Smoother overall.
--- Super bad plot. I know this game probably wasn't aimed at making a good plot, but it was obvious where it was going from scene 1.
--- Really bad AI. Like, super stupidly bad. The AI aliens did no sneaking beside spawning in vents; they just weaved around to try and make it hard to shoot them, which didn't work.
--- "MOUSE 1 NOW!!" "HIT MOUSE 2 OMG" prompts. Obnoxious. I could probably have turned them off, but now that I'm thinking about it, I didn't look. Made the already-bad AI even worse when melee combat became Simon Says.
++ The heavy grab attacks are great for when they're actually applicable. Silent stealth kills, etc. If you try and use them when surrounded by people, yes, obviously you are going to die immediately. Complaining about that is kind of silly -- be smart. They're great tools if you use them right. When you do ... so satisfying. I love the Alien's "tail through your mouth" one.
++ Some of the places where they hid the Aliens were amazing. The nooks in the hive tunnels, the first time I was caught by that, were done SO well.
++ Graphic-wise, the movement of Aliens was a lot better. They're more fluid, more like the movies, than the previous games.
--- Checkpoints were done okay, but I liked the save system more. Old-fashioned that way, I guess.

>>50402023
That's why you shouldn't let them get near you.

By the way, am I the only one here who really wants a combat synth skin? These guys are awesome, easily my favorite new thing from the game.

Verdict: Unless you like the multiplayer a lot (I don't -- not really my style of multiplayer; I've always played the AvP games for the singleplayer), I'd suggest renting it. If it were longer, especially the Alien & Predator campaigns, it'd be worth the sixty bucks, but when you can easily beat it in one sitting, that's a bit much.

>>50402156
Most of the complaints:
>I played on normal!

AI sucks always but go back and beat that shit on hard like a real man.

>>50402168
Yeah, their skins were pretty awesome, I'll give them that.

>>50401741
In avp2 you could jump at any wall and latch on, you didn't need to press x to enter a vent, no one cares about hitting lights, hiss is useless, predators are now wtfuber, predators can't super jump anymore, claws were always useful, marines are overpowered (meleeing an alien srsly?), flashlights were always in avp, motion sensors are always shit no matter what.

>>50402302
Problem with the difficulty here is that the AI is still bad. When you're fighting computer aliens, they do one of three things:

- Leap & sideswipe
- Charge and light-attack, then heavy-attack
- Charge and stand straight up for an obvious heavy attack

All three of those are mind-numbingly easy to counter, and even that's if you don't kill them before they get to you. Like I said, I'll definitely go back and play it on hard, and then shoot myself in the foot by playing it on hardest, but really, most of the difficulty came from them sneaking up on you. Once you know where they spawn ... it's a cakewalk.

>fighting Bishop's androids was stupid. It would have been okay if they kept it to the very last part, when you're nearing the end, but I played the Marine campaign to be shuffling through dark corridors looking for Aliens, not playing Mindless Shootan 12.

so fucking true

>>50402434
>predators are now wtfuber
>Whine about no super jump and useless claws

Going to decide yet?

>>50402434
- Didn't have a flashlight in the original (if they had one in AvP2, my bad, misremembering that)
- Predator superjump is now the jump point system, which is far superior
- Aliens were never supposed to be super strong; they're fast and agile, relying on stealth. Marines should be able to butt 'em with their gun. Your argument might be valid if doing it while the alien isn't heavy attacking still stunned them.

>>50402449
In hard sometimes they DO sneak up on you.

Personally, did not have a problem with bishop. Just ran up to him, and double barrel blasted him till I was dry. Went down like a $10 whore.

>>50402638
Someone hasn't seen the AvP flashback of the Predators fighting the aliens on the pyramids.

>>50402638
Someone hasn't seen any AvP movies or Alien movies, Aliens are stronger than humans, only androids should be able to melee them.

>>50402704
They do on normal, too, but it's still counterable by knowing who spawns where.

What they needed was a random spawnpoint system. They had plenty of vents and nooks to use, but in the end, aliens still spawned from only specific ones. If you get snuck up on and killed, you walk backwards next time and shoot him in the face.

Maybe they spawn at completely random points in hard and I'm just spouting bullshit. I hope that's the case. If it isn't, it's still just down to knowing the level, which is the lowest form of arbitrary difficulty.

>>50402784
>AvP movie
no.jpg

>>50402731
Really? I tried that and he two-shot me. :( I had to kind of whore him by running around that little square of (I forget what it was) shooting him from the other side.

>>50402898

>>50402859
Yeah, and predators can survive in Antarctica.

AVP movies never happened.

>>50402898
>Thinks meleeing an Alien is viable
>Thinks Aliens wouldn't just stick it in you in real life if you did

Watch Alien 1 special extended edition, see what Ripley does all the way through for 3 whole hours

>>50402149
>Shotgun one-shotting the enemy

They must have changed a lot since the multiplayer demo, I played it today and 4 direct hits at <8 metres while the alien spazzed around trying to get used to the controls did not kill him.

>>50403024
>Implying a superior race couldn't invent a device that allowed them to survive in cold climates.

>>50403053
It's only viable if the alien is occupied.

Say, by charging a heavy attack.

Oh ... that's exactly how it works. Like I said before, the argument would hold weight if meleeing an alien stunned it every time, but as it is, it only stuns if they're rearing up for a heavy attack, which makes sense.

I don't think it should flat-out knock them off their feet like it does, but interrupting the heavy attack is fine by me.

>>50401863
I have to say this
im good at melee but when i press the middle mouse button he just walks at him while struggling to lift his gun

>>50403208
I'm still calling bullshit. the ONLY part i liked from that movie was the predator working with the one lady.

>>50403053
>Alien 1
>implying there is an Alien 2

>>50403444
Yeah this is so annoying, watching your melee attack in slowmotion while the aliens coming at you with a heavy attack is really fucking demoralizing.

>>50403515
bestbetrollan.jpg

>>50403515
>Implying there isn't an Alien 3

>>50403208

Ever heard of "Occam's Razor"?

I assume not, so here's a lesson. The simplest explanation is usually the right one.

the simple explanation here? The first AVP sucked ass and was directed by one of the worst directors in the industry, the same jackass who did those awful resident evil flicks.

So your defense based on "but dey can inbent de devices!!!1111" argument is fucking retarded, bro.

>>50403942
Your argument is retarded, I don't care for who made it why should you? You're assuming some alien race which is lightyears above us in knowledge wouldn't be able to invent anything to make them survive in cold climates when they have stealth camo, ability to regenerate and numerous space age weapons, they travel the galaxy and hunt a variety of creatures on every planet they come across and you think they wouldn't have invented things to stop the cold? Yeah right.

>>50404362
I rest my case.

>>50404641
I think that guy's a bit short on brains, but that doesn't really negate his point.

Of course Predators can survive in Antarctica. Refuting that is flat-out stupid. Who directed the movie has literally no bearing on that point.

>>50404362

You fail to see my point. I'm saying your wrong and retarded because you're inventing conventions that have never been mentioned in ANY source material for the characters.

Anyway, barring the nerdness, THEY ARE A SPECIES THAT SPECIFICALLY CHOOSES VERY WARM CLIMATES FOR THEIR HUNTING GROUNDS!

Have you never fucking seen the Predator movies?

>>50403942
I for 1 loved the first AvP. Had some fucking awesome moments and the effects were nice

>>50404362
I agree with the other anon. The directors wanted a mystery plot involving Mayas on Antartica and just forgot or ignored that Predators only hunt in the hottest of summers.

The AvP movies are just fanfic and have no artistic value whatsoever.

GUYS
THIS IS NOT /TV/

>>GUYS
THIS IS NOT /TV/

somebody's pissed

>>50405493
>somebody's

Somebody can't spell.

/tv/ really is the worst board on 4chan.
Only pretentious homos discussing Avatar and their waifus, also Kaji posts in every thread.

everytime you correct me or argue a point that is beside the topic of discussion

you lose!
let that sink in for a minute

>>50405556
Somebody's trolling.

>>50405699
>Implying you're right

I wish they'd do something a little different than the same old Space Marines trope. Why not put the game in modern day and have regular marines and some citizens with guns?
Of course I know where this version of the space marines comes from, but part of the reason this game has been received kind of poorly is because the setting has become very stale. Why not mix it up a bit?

>> i'm always right

>>50405808
Well, there goes my brain.

>>50405556
Somebody can't shut the fuck up and let the adults talk.

Well 4chan is certainly not for such detailed reviews, that's for sure.

>>50405808
Because of retarded fans thinking Predators can't invent things to make them survive cold climates.

>>50405808
I'd agree if it were a new game, or another franchise, or something.

But the universe this game takes place in is ... in the future. Where they have space marines. They're messing with established canon and you can't really muck with the timeline there.

How would they get Aliens to Earth if it were modern day? The only reason Aliens even know about humans is because spacefaring humans stumbled upon them in the first place.

>>50405098

There IS a difference between CHOSEN hunting grounds, and going somewhere they don't normally, because something important is there.

>>50406034
>Implying Aliens know about humans

>>50405808
Any attempt to "freshen up" the source material would've alienated and made pretty much any hardcore fan dislike it. One of the main complaints of the film series is that they didn't even try to use settings/stories that worked really well for AVP in the comics.

Although this game isn't anything i've read in the comics, it's ripe with great art direction. Especially the predator's. As a big fan, I really enjoyed the level of detail that went into the predator temples.

To each his own, my best friend and I can't get enough of the game and we're both die hard AVP fans. If you aren't a TRUE fan, stay away I guess.