Well thank your lucky stars your parents had sex when they did.

I wonder what the olderfag generation think of Goldeneye, is Goldeneye the Halo of the 90s?

It's a sad fact. Just look at /v/.

>>49128117

Anyone who plays it today will see all the flaws with it. But back in the day, man, we'd get 4 guys together and spend whole nights playing that shit together. It was the best of days.

>While YOUNGER generations grew up with Sonic and Mario, current generations are growing up with Halo and World of Warcraft.

You people must learn to read.

Back in my day son, games were difficult.

We didn't have continues and save games. We played the game from the first level, until the last level.

And we enjoyed it. We enjoyed dying and learning from our mistakes. We enjoyed the thrill of reaching that new area, or making it past that boss we were stuck on for weeks.

The only time we weren't enjoying it was when our bitches of parents told us to get off.

Source?

>>49128180
Yes SMW, so difficult.

>>49128226
An Englishman in New Tokyo

The Westerners saving the Japanese games industry from within.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/an-englishman-in-new-tokyo-article

Japan is dying because they can't mooch off the PS2 anymore.

Japanese programmers aren't as competent as Western programmers because they seldom interact with other devs due to their refusal to learn English.

Japanese gaming industry is shrinking and settling for the Ipod and Iphone.

>>49128174
HA HA oh dear. Someone needs to learn how to use tenses.

>>49128328

>this whole post

waaaaaaaaaaaaaat

>>49128316
>Implying I played that pansy Mario garbage.

Nigger, I played Contra and Ninja Gaiden.

>>49128402

Super Mario World is one of the best games of all fucking time. A game doesn't have to be hard to be fun.

>>49128402
Well I hope you like the Iphone because after Tecmo got sued by Itagaki that's where you're going to be playing Contra 5 and the next Ninja Gaiden.

>>49128445
A game doesn't have to be MATURE and GRIMDARK to be fun either. But that's what people think. And it's awful

Japan has had their time in the sun their games/anime just aren't as appealing as they used to be and they are to blind to see if they want to carry on they need to think of the rest of the world not just themselves anymore.

> I think it is more a fact that Western game development has grown and matured to a point it can easily compete.

Obviously this clown never saw the days of the Commodore 64 and especially the Amiga. Western gaming was always ahead of the gooks, it's only during the rise of the consoles that Nip games ever got anywhere.

lr2gaminghistory.

Fucking morons are running the industry, I swear.

>>49128667
http://wakarimasenlol.com/2009/05/05/anime-bubble-burst-moeshit-to-blame/2566

tldr; Anime is dying or shrinking back to normal before moe became popular.

ITT: nostalgic manchildren refuse to accept that change is inevitable and things won't stay the way you like them

>>49128117
Like how? It was the first honest-to-god viable FPS on a console, that much is true. There was a thread just earlier where people were submitting, among other things, what their first FPS were, and a rather large amount of people did say Goldeneye.

>>49128708
moe stuff is awful.

I'd welcome a the backstep to old stuff like HnK.

>>49128768
Halo is not the future and neither is World of Shit.

Companies now are all trying to brainwash the next generation into believing digital distribution is the way to go.

See the Ipod Touch and Iphone.

Didn't quite work out for Sony's PSP go.

>>49128117

No because people who loved it were literally kids.

Nowadays Wall Street has Halo launch celebrations. That didn't happen with Goldeneye.

Back in the day a mediocre game was a disappointment, not a sin against humanity.

This kind of saddens me because, call me a weeaboo all you want, but I think the Japanese are in general far more original with their games than the west is.

I don't even play JRPGs and I think this. Would we have created something like Gitaroo Man? Kirby? Okami? Rez? Phoenix Wright? Parodius? Hell even Mario? No, no we wouldn't.

>While younger generations grew up with Sonic and Mario, current generations are growing up with Halo and World of Warcraft.
>Implying I didn't grow up with Doom, Rise of the Triad and Duke Nukem

>>49128708
Ah, about time. I'm not sure how they didn't see this coming when most everything produced was SCHOOLGIRL MOE cut and paste.

>>49128862
I think Goldeneye appealed to an older demographic than just that. There were highschool kids and even entire college dorms that dug into Goldeneye's splitscreen multiplayer. On the level of Halo, though? Probably not, but nothing like it had happened before, I'd say.

>>49128951

Read manchildren.

>>49128864

> I think the Japanese are in general far more original with their games than the west is.

I wanted to write something scathing at that but I'm too busy laughing my ass off.

>>49129028

you'd be surprised anon.

>>49128818
Sounds more like apple is trying.
Of course companies want digital distribution, because it gives them more control over their product.
It eliminates a second hand market, so prices don't drop unless they say it does, some can take the product away from you on certain conditions, and you just wind up spending the same money for less.

>>49129080

Women?

>>49129055

>I don't have an argument, but I like western games!!

>>49128803

Super Gary Stu vs a bunch of other Gary Stus with stupid mowhawks and tatoos?

It's funny for a few episodes at least. Then well...

>>49128785
That's how.
If your favorite FPS was made 12 years ago, you're the worst kind of nostalgiafag.

>>49129139

Who said anything about favorite?

>>49129028
GoldenEye has one advantage over Halo and that is older people can like it and they will still be found acceptable as James Bond has a universal appeal.

Admitting you like Halo and being older than the games age rating would have likely resulted in you being exiled from your village if we lived in a medieval culture.

>>49129133

No, please, enough. I'll burst my kidneys from laughing at you so hard if you don't stop!

>"On top of this, Japanese developers aren't really participating in global trends such as Facebook or Twitter, so they aren't a part of the global mindset. If anything, lately the marketplace here has become even more introverted. Nobody here has heard of Twilight, let alone the latest internet meme (although bizarrely Susan Boyle is making an impact). Any games 'targeted' at the West will have a hard time because usually they are being targeted at what Japanese perceive the West to be; more often than not the subtleties of nuance are missed.
>Nobody here has heard of Twilight

That's not what Hideo Kojima says.

>>49128864
>Japanese are in general far more original with their games than the west is
Their originality is mostly about art and original settings though.

In terms of game mechanics and actual game design the west was and still is ahead of them. Japanese tend to be too traditionalistic when it comes to things like that.

>>49128803
>>49128708
Moe is not a genre. It's an attribute.

>>49129133

Neither do you, clownbait.

>>49128864

This.

All we apparently can do is vomit shit sandbox, FPS, and shitty RPGs with absolutely zero innovation.

The best thing that's been made here in the last Decade is World of Goo. That's really saying something :/

>>49128768
Pretty much this. Remember toonami? Well most kids today dont. I am still glad i enjoyed it but they make what newer generations enjoy at the time which is what OP said.

For Kay, it's more than just a problem with statistics. Rather, there are fundamental problems with the Japanese studio system that are hampering success. "Japan's primary failings revolve around the inefficiency of development practices," he argues. "Japan still works with an 'auteur' system, where a single person, or a select few at the top, decide on every little aspect of the game, and don't think twice about demanding changes that could easily derail the schedule. This has, of course, lead to some amazing games in the past, but with next-gen development, this approach is dangerous and frustrating."

>>49129028
Except I'm talking about the same sort of social-minded gaming that drives a lot of Halo and Modern Warfare's sales today.
>>49128864
But you're forgetting that De Blob, Portal, Another World, A Boy and His Blob, Toe Jam and Earl, Banjo Kazooie, Comix Zone, 'Splosion Man, all of these are by Western minds. Each side has its bursts of creativity (as referenced) and each side has its pitfalls of safe choices and saturated concepts.

>>49129246
Koujima is one of the few Japanese designers who take inspiration from the west.

You two arguing, count how many games you have on your shelves and see if you have more Japanese or Western games.

"The financial meltdown has had its effect in Japan too. Nobody really has the money or impetus to make an effort any more and in hard times Japanese companies would rather stick with what they know and are good at. It's a natural reaction, of course, but it's not what the industry needs right now. Rather they need to open up, learn from Western practices and learn to communicate better with Western publishers, developers and audiences."

>"There very well might also be an element of hubris involved. Japanese games in the past have made quite a splash worldwide and even today a lot of Westerners will defend and praise Japanese games simply for being Japanese. You have to admit that it must be hard for a designer who has made several million-selling, critically acclaimed titles to consider things need to change. It will take a few major studios closing down and some major financially disastrous titles before we will see some real change."

>Japanese games in the past have made quite a splash worldwide and even today a lot of Westerners will defend and praise Japanese games simply for being Japanese.

Sums up the thread.

>>49129273
>shitty RPGs with absolutely zero innovation.
What are you talking about?

Developers like Richard Garriott pushed the RPG genre ahead. Games like Fallout or Planescape: Torment were truly revolutionary in terms of game design.

Nowadays it's getting a bit stale, but it's by no means comparable to Japanese standards where they still develop clones of 80s dungeon crawlers add a few fmv sequences and call them RPGs.

>>49129273
But the exact same comment can be made towards the Japanese game industry regarding JRPGs, Idol creators and dating simulators.

>>49129273

As opposed to an endless conga-line of old-fashioned turn-bas4ed adventure titles rehashing the same five character archetypes over and over again, the occasional shooter and if you're lucky, yet another Mario spin-off.

Oh yeah, you sure have me convinced.

>>49128864
I must agree and disagree. While the west would have never made Pokemon, Japan would have never made Doom. It's always been back in forth, with one region building on the other's creations and vice versa. To say that one region is more creative is inaccurate. Japan certainly has a lot of off the wall ideas that succeed, but those ideas could be perfectly normal concepts in Japan (Pokemon, for instance, is just Japanese bug collecting). Japanese players might find our games just as curious and out there, even if we view them as normal things (Japan wouldn't have envisioned a battle against demons on Mars like our American sci-fi drenched 70's and 80's minds could have).

>Thread full of weeaboos
>Actually claiming that Japanese games are innovative
>Dismissing all western games as shit

You are so full of surprises, /v/.

>>49129570
Exactly. Certain regions for certain concepts with East and West having their own strengths and weaknesses, bursts of ingenuity and stagnant genres.

West does not just equate to just America lads. It includes Europe as well.

American churns out the big blockbusters while Europe, who may produce less, usually helps fill out the niches.

And Imagine Babyz.

>>49129432
Japan has had a "financial meltdown" since the 90s

>>49129570

Pretty much. The more the West and East learn from each other, the better off we'll all be.

>>49129487

Because obviously all I play are JRPGs

If all you play are RPGs, then branch the hell out to a different genre.

>>49129246
>Any games 'targeted' at the West will have a hard time because usually they are being targeted at what Japanese perceive the West to be; more often than not the subtleties of nuance are missed.
This is absolutely true.

Japan never made Cruise For A Corpse or Baldur's Gate.

>>49129695
With Capcom leading the charge.

>>49129695
The answer is Michael Jackson, both the West and East love him.

Shame he died. Videogames are a lost cause now.

>>49129748
I would agree, if that didn't describe Dead Rising.

>>49129487

of western games, ones I have found appeal with at least are Starcraft... Lemmings... uhmmmm....

Come back to me. I need to really dig :/

ITT: MY GENERATION WAS BETTER THAN YOURS

Why is this EVERY generation? Fuck. Grow up, adapt, play the good games that are coming out. The video game industry has never been this strong and definitely wont sustain it forever.

But whatever, enjoy complaining like fucking children.

Oh well.

CAPCOM is from Japan, and they're basically the best developer out there right now. I don't think any other company has produced so many great IPs as CAPCOM has. Monster Hunter, Street Fighter, CAPCOM vs, Devil May Cry, the list just goes on and on.

>>49129755

Baldur's Gate is shit.

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>>49129570
THIS

>Neckbeards defending developers that can't program a decent camera system or an HD town environment.

Sure sounds like /v/ to me.

>>49129734

Hey, clownshoes:

> the occasional shooter and if you're lucky, yet another Mario spin-off.

You were saying?

>>49129866
And now they are one of the very, very few Eastern developers reaching out to the West, probably the first. I'd say Square-Enix and their purchase of Eidos says as much as well, and as far as the other way around goes, EA does have their Mikami/Suda project.

>While younger generations grew up with Sonic and Mario, current generations are growing up with Halo and World of Warcraft.
...

>>49129922

So is Japan. Hell, they build their high rises on great big steaming piles of it. It's bound to influence their mindset.

But back to Baldur's Gate. I'm glad you didn't like it, I'd dread to think I shared tastes with a broken down condom vending unit like you.

>>49129862

I like alot of the games coming out, but not only are some of the other genres being forgotten, but there can be more done with the current dominant genres. How many war shooters do we exactly need?

>>49130016

Try any number of fighting games as well.

What the hell have we done with that genre? Oh right. Mortal Kombat. Which not even the people here can take remotely seriously.

You also have beat em ups, platformers, racing games (F-Zero fuck yeah), Flight Simulators, SRPGs, hell, I could go on.

I'm not going to say that the west is devoid of anything of merit, but on the grand scale, there's not too much we've done. The good stuff that have come out here were mainly by indie developers.

>implying Halo and WoW aren't this generation's Doom and Everquest

>>49129861
Pretty much all good Flight/Tank/U-Boat/.../sims are made in the west. Grand strategy games like Hearts of Iron or Europa Universalis. Squad tactics games like X-Com or Jagged Alliance. RPGs were invented in the west. Ultima 3 is pretty much the proto-JRPG. But western designers took RPGs a step ahead by adding role playing choices and non-combat interaction. Adventure games like Monkey Island, Day of the Tentacle or Grim Fandango. Fast-paced competitive FPS like Quake and online multiplayer gaming was invented in the west. RTS were invented in the west.

To claim there was no creativity in the west is ridiculous.

>>49129866

All shit. Except for Shadow Of Rome.

Funny how the only time something decent comes out of Japan, it's a rip-off of western culture. Damn gooks never learned from the 80s it seems.

>>49129055
>make one franchise
>milk for 20 years

sure is creative and original

>>49129922
Really?

How about you elaborate a bit? Else it would seem like you haven't even played the game and you're just trolling.

>Baldur's Gate is shit.

Well, looks like there goes any validity this thread could hope to achieve.

>>49130221
yeah ok

>>4913016

Because obviously I went on to praise glorious japan on all their awesome rehashes and garbage.

No. I'm just stating fact, that Baldur's Gate is shit. But I wouldn't expect a carbon based wastage such as yourself who has to bark at whoever insults his favorite pile of shit to understand this.

Also, easy troll.

Why can't anyone but Japan make good fighting games?

>>49130096
Oh, boo-hoo-hoo. If it makes you feel any better, in ten years, those kids will read an article titled "While older generations grew up with Halo and World of Warcraft, current generations are growing up with the In the Trenches series and Land of the Dragons", and then they'll get to feel all depressed, yet superior as well!

>>49130311
Well, there you go.
One big hard troll.

>>49130236


This.

>>49130221

> What the hell have we done with that genre? Oh right. Mortal Kombat. Which not even the people here can take remotely seriously.

Just because a franchise went to shit, does not make it's heyday go away.

MK is still far better than Street Fighter ever was, and basically all Jap fighters are variations of SF 2.

Try harder. Oh, and btw: MK Shaolin Monks is more fun than any action title I have seen from Capcom or Konami, so even at face value your argument holds no water. Or in your case: piss.

>>49130221
Take a look at >>49130245

>>49130450
>current generations are growing up with the In the Trenches series and Land of the Dragons

Trust me, future generations won't have anything as cool sounding as "Land of the Dragons".

>>49130426

So Baldur's Gate being shit was a troll was it?

No wonder it made no sense.

>People who hate Baulder's Gate
>MK fans who think that Street Fighter is shit

This thread sucks dick.

>MK is still far better than Street Fighter

>>49130494

>MK is still far better than Street Fighter ever was, and basically all Jap fighters are variations of SF 2.

You know, I'd declare you a troll, but this is what some people actually believe.

>>49130599
>Best Western Shooter
>Not FEAR 2

Your opinions are invalid.

>>49130494
>>49130426
Your posts are like literally little assholes.

>>49130593

No, it really is shit, but rather than go into elaborate song why it is, 4 words is more than enough to make you neckbeards go ldkfbjwfis;obijviov;jbbjso;iio;jvxodijv;osc

>>49130599
>Using shooters to compare Japan and USA

>>49130494

Shut up. Mortal Kombat is and always has been fucking garbage. Only reason it did well is because it had blood, and stirred controversy so bunch of KIDS (thats what you were when it came out) could buy it and obsess over the violence they never got to see.

You're also intensely ignorant for saying all Street Fighters are the same, (fuck SF4, but thats my opinion) you've clearly never even played street fighter 3, of the entire series, mechanically it has the most depth and variation , and plays nothing like SF2.

Just because you're so blinded with rage at japan doesn't mean you have to go off spouting retarded claims, making the rest of the WRPG fans look like ignorant retards.

Then again, maybe im a dying breed, where i judge a game based off its fucking merits, and not where it comes from? We're no better than the Japanese in terms of create total and utter shit games.

>>49130764
You might as well post that the solar system revolves around the earth in a astrophysics forum, since what you've posted here has about the same effect.

This thread is a big pile of shit and trolls.

I play FUN games, no mater if they are eastern or western you dickheads.

>>49130764
Actually, it just makes you look like an asspained idiot who's desperate to get back at people but unable to come up with arguments so he has to resort to (fairly obvious) trolling.

>>49130748
>best shooter
>FEAR

Haven't played the sequel, but seriously?

>>49130769
It's one area where Japan is weak while the West, pretty much the US in particular, is strong. In a thread where people have come out of the woodwork to point out how the West can't make a good fighter or a good JRPG, I think it's a fair point to make.

>>49130494
>MK better than SF
>Shaolin Monks better than Contra, Mega Man, Castlevania, Rocket Knight and many, many other franchises
Goddammit, trolls don't even pretend they're being serious anymore.

-10/10. Get out.

>>49130859

You people are still getting worked up about 4 words? Wow.

A lot of Japanese games this gen just aren't that interesting.

I DO hope Ar Tonelico III gets an American & Euro-release (considering what's happening to NIS, Namco/Bandai, & Atlus I'm not sure...)...but other than the occasional stellar DS & PSP releases--this gen has SUCKED J-gaming-wise.

Just too damned expensive to risk making original games. I hope this lesson will not be lost on $ony & M$: Next time make your systems AND Dev kits EASY & CHEAP to work with. They might hit max usability with the dev kits a little early, but is that really such a bad thing?

We've gotten to the point tech-wise that it's less how advanced the graphics are & more the complexity of the art direction that matters for graphics.

If next gen consoles continue the path the P$3 & the $-Box 360 ran down heedless of the dangers, then we'll likely see the entire industry implode under the weight of only 3 or 4 big-budget failures--failures meaning the games didn't sell enough to recoup the costs, even if it sold well by any other estimates.