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    22 KB Nippon Ichi fucked. Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)12:21 No.48648627  
    "The developer behind the Disgaea series, announced its financial earnings. You may want to sit down. In the first nine months of this financial year, the company's operating profit is down 97.5 percent."

    Guess what? Same thing has been happening to every minor studio (Vanillaware gave an interview to Gamasutra last year where they basically say they don't expect to ever turn a profit again). And it's your fault. Yes, you.

    http://kotaku.com/5464948/nippon-ichi-software-this-cant-be-good
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)12:22 No.48648698
    And nothing of value of was lost.
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)12:24 No.48648795
    No atelier rorona then?
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)12:25 No.48648912
    Then the studios are going to get bought by microsoft
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)12:26 No.48648964
    DISGAEA NOW MICROSOFT EXCLUSIVE
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)12:26 No.48648969
    Thank god for that.
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)12:27 No.48648989
    Nippon Ichi (Japan First) makes shitty games that cater to otaku and Japanese.

    Vanillaware makes very pretty games that aren't fun to play in the slightest.

    Who gives a fuck.
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)12:27 No.48649010
    Might teach them some humilty for re-releasing the same game over and over.
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)12:27 No.48649016
    The end of extremely niche apeal, shitty games?


    :)
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)12:27 No.48649026
    lol, NIS

    high damage
    low sales
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)12:28 No.48649118
    remember power of the cell in Disgaea 3?
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)12:29 No.48649140
    it's their fault for rehashing and releasing on piratable systems.

    they make p.s.p games thinking they can make a quick buck. they should put in the fucking effort for a p.s 3 game or something.
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)12:29 No.48649141
    Thanks for pirating /v/! You killed your own.

    Welcome to a world of Halo, CoD, Sports games and the odd wrpg that will slowly (Look at how butchered mass effect 2 is) become shooters.

    Hurray!
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)12:30 No.48649227
    >>48649141
    >HURR DURR PIRAYC KILLING GAMING

    The games you just listed are pirated more then Shitgaea.

    Tell me when Shitgaea has 30 million piracies.
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)12:31 No.48649315
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    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)12:31 No.48649322
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    all games will be casual trash in 5 years. auto-aim, linear, watch-a-movie-instead-of-a-game trash.
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)12:32 No.48649359
    >>48649140

    Publishers need to learn to mass distribute.

    PSP games could easily be brought to PSN and XBL
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)12:32 No.48649389
    or maybe it's because they release the same game since Disgaea 1 over and over over again with a new gimmick and nobody wants to play their shitty games?
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)12:33 No.48649404
    Oh wow, fags in this thread trying to imply nippon ichi isn't one of the best dev studios around at the moment. And easily the only thing keeping the SRPG genre going. What the fuck is wrong with you people?
    >re-releasing the same game because it has the same combat
    >pay no attention to the motherfucking story or characters
    /v/, you do not understand any subset of the rpg genre. Kindly fuckoff and continue to play your shootan rehash #9453.
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)12:33 No.48649416
    >>48649322
    >linear
    yeah man the first gen had so many sandbox titles and wrpgs, right? fucking child.
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)12:33 No.48649424
    >>48649227

    >mixing sales with pirates
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)12:33 No.48649445
    Yeah, stop using piracy as a scapegoat to try and cover the fact that most NIS games are obscure shit that only appeal to a small group of weeaboo grind lovers
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)12:34 No.48649503
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    >>48649140

    Sold an amazing 3.3k copies.
    >> Nix !!C6vbwXbLvRQ 02/05/10(Fri)12:34 No.48649542
    >>48649503
    I've never even HEARD of this game
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)12:35 No.48649565
    >>48649503
    Not out here yet, but you best believe I'm buying it in about 3 weeks son.
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)12:35 No.48649581
    >>48649315
    >>48649404
    That game uses sprite graphics, retailed for sixty dollars, and added nothing to the series.
    SRPGS are just RPGS that pad on hours by making them even slower paced than they need to be.

    Funny story: If you have a game where the strength of your character depends on your level, you have no strategy, just grinding.
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)12:35 No.48649585
    Good riddance. No more pumping out retrograde garbage designed to appeal to the worst compulsive behaviours of autistic neckbeards.
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)12:35 No.48649589
    fucking idiots.

    N1's profits are down because their overall revenue is down somewhat, due to the recession and lack of a giant title this year.

    But they are REALLY down, because one of their new games has a shitload of popular anime characters and their VAs, and that shit is crazy expensive over in moonland.

    Not to mention the development costs on Atelier Rorona was huge, and it hasn't been released anywhere but Japan yet.

    Their profits are down because expenditures were up. They're not going under.
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)12:35 No.48649593
    >>48649445
    >>48649389
    >>48649227
    >>48649140
    >>48649016
    >>48649010
    >>48648989
    >>48648969
    >>48648698

    These.
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)12:36 No.48649653
    The sad think is Nippoin Ichi are like the only people I don't Pirate from...

    I make sure to buy their games as I love the...

    Fucking hell man
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)12:36 No.48649664
    Fuck yes.
    Hated Disgaea, it's just the same shit over and over.
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)12:37 No.48649749
    >>48649315
    He said effort.
    Not Disgaea 1 HD
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)12:38 No.48649758
    >>48649581
    re: your super funny story - you've never played disgaea. if you had you would know level has very little to do with whether your character is strong or not. like many other rpgs, it is primarily gear.
    >> LittleMiku !!z3qkxSh82Vo 02/05/10(Fri)12:39 No.48649858
    >>48649503
    It's that bad?
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)12:39 No.48649887
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    >>48649581
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)12:40 No.48649925
    >>48649581
    You're a prime example of a moron. Graphics are not what makes a game good. This generation of younger gamers are fucking retards who are sold only by whether it has enough brown and fucking bloom. Disgaea 3 has amazing characters, and a good story. This should be the main selling point of any game. Followed by combat, which is relatively fun. Graphics are below all of these things. You can take your mythical 'skill-based' games and shove them up your arse. In no game should a level 1 character be able to kill a level 6000 from the start, regardless of your 'skill'. Even though with work in disgaea, this is possible to achieve.
    All of this generation has been driving the games industry into the fucking ground with your inability to discern a good game from a bad one, or even the ability to tell what a rehash of a game is and what isn't. Fact; modern warfare 2 is the biggest rehash in years. Why must you all be so obtrusively moronic.
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)12:40 No.48649968
    >>48649758
    And grinding to make that gear godly
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)12:41 No.48649984
    >>48649581 That game uses sprite graphics

    so?

    go back to kindergarten, kid
    >> Sho_Minamimoto !DRoPZETTAU 02/05/10(Fri)12:41 No.48650005
    NI fucking earned it. Make some new games with a little bit more than some sprites that wouldn't look good on a PS1

    Glad people finally smartened up
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)12:41 No.48650011
    >>48649749
    >hurr durr i'm an idiot who didn't play the game, pay attention to the characters or read any of the story.
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)12:42 No.48650046
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    >>48649925
    >Disgaea 3 has a good story

    Hey, now..
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)12:42 No.48650053
    >>48649925
    You are what's wrong with this generation.
    You actually WANT repetition/grind/doing the same thing over and over.
    I bet you're a World of Warcraft player too, right?
    >> Dr. Girlfriend 02/05/10(Fri)12:42 No.48650065
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    >Shit games
    >Shit company
    >Japan
    Ha ha, you expect anyone of value to care?

    I'll be here enjoying my good games. Play some Fallout 3 or something, shit.
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)12:42 No.48650072
    One less thing for grorious nippon posters to boast about.
    Also, how is it my fault noone wants their games?
    I mean honestly, you assume they make poor sales due to piracy. I can honestly tell you I don;t know anyone IRL who even plays these fucking games.
    >> Kakyoin Noriaki !REROxmcC/2 02/05/10(Fri)12:42 No.48650076
    Who cares about weeaboo jap cunts we should have nuked the entirety of japan
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)12:42 No.48650101
    >>48649565

    Yeah it looks pretty interesting, i'll be picking up a copy anyway. Developed with a western audience in mind, which is probably why it failed so hard in Japan. It might do well over here.
    >> hachnslay !yYT/u4PSNE 02/05/10(Fri)12:42 No.48650104
    >>48649322
    you mean like Final Fantasy 10?
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)12:43 No.48650155
    It's weeaboo bullshit anyways.
    AND NOTHING OF VALUE WAS LOST.
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)12:43 No.48650165
    >>48650005

    I agree that NiS camped last gen tech pretty hard but they are supposed to announce something significant this year. I'm waiting for that announcement before resorting to whining.
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)12:43 No.48650174
    >>48650011
    >implying anyone plays the game for it's "derp derp xD random" humor and not for it's grind so that they can waste their time from their meaningless life.
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)12:44 No.48650183
    >>48648698
    >>48648698
    >>48648698
    >>48648698
    >>48648698
    >>48648698
    >>48648698
    >>48648698
    >>48648698
    >>48648698
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)12:44 No.48650208
    >>48649968
    disgaea is a game for those wishing to see how far they can push the limits of equipment mathematics.
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)12:44 No.48650247
    NOTHING OF VALUE LOST


    Hopefully fatlus suffers the same fate soon.
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)12:45 No.48650256
    >>48650076
    >weeaboo
    >4chan

    this is always ironic.
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)12:45 No.48650277
    >>48649503
    >A Nippon Ichi employee reportedly bragged that the game could sell a million copies.

    Well if they survive this shit, maybe they will start actually making something interesting instead of the same shit on every platform
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)12:45 No.48650278
    Disgaea is fucking shit.
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)12:45 No.48650282
    >>48649758
    just that you can (and must) lvl your gear
    duh ...

    >I've played Disgea1 for 175hours ...
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)12:45 No.48650292
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    >>48650256

    What's that you say?
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)12:45 No.48650296
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    At least the most important one is still okay.
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)12:46 No.48650319
    >>48649925


    >HOW DARE YOU NOT LIKE MY KAWAII DESU BAKA SUGOI DESU NE!?!?!?!? YOUI DONT UNDERSTAND THE DEEPNESS OF NIPPON ICHI GODLIENES MORE JAPANESE GIBBERISH.
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)12:46 No.48650330
    >>48650282
    You have no taste in video games, congratulations.
    >> Sho_Minamimoto !DRoPZETTAU 02/05/10(Fri)12:46 No.48650334
    >>48650165
    Wasn't Cross Edge supposed to be significant? I'm not holding my breath, yeah Disgaea was fun the first time around but you can't say it wouldn't be more fit on a console two generations ago.
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)12:46 No.48650353
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    >>48650256
    get lost weeaboo faggot
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)12:46 No.48650379
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    >>48650065 Fallout 3
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)12:47 No.48650424
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    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)12:47 No.48650455
    >>48650046
    The story was just fine. What would you rather have, russians invading airports? Fuck that shit son. Disgaea stories are non-serious and amusing, which is entirely befitting of their dark humour and characters.

    >>48650053
    I'm what's wrong? Really? Because I don't go by what fucking IGN or /v/ says, buy my own games and decide if I like them or not by myself? Because I am uninterested in your countless iterations of the same fucking shooting game with no story or characters that bores you to fucking tears? If the game doesn't have decent story/characters and gameplay, i'm not interested - regardless of how fucking shiny the graphics are. Ps, seen as you obviously haven't played a nippon ichi game and don't know shit, i'll enlighten you in the fact that grinding is never, read that NEVER, required for the game. You can finish the main story just fine with zero grinding unless you blow at any form of game that isn't point and click to shoot. Which by the sounds of it, I'm going to be assuming you do. The only time you need to grind is for OPTIONAL bosses or POST GAME things. You have nothing to whine about on the grinding front. Try playing a game in it's entirety before thinking you know shit about it :/ fucking ign kids listening to reviews and playing a game for an hour, mongs.
    >> Losttrap !!MBG5QZB5y8W 02/05/10(Fri)12:48 No.48650470
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    I bought almost every NIS -developed- game I could find, minus Prinny: Can I Really Be A Hero and a Witch's Tale, only because I don't have the cash to get them and the bigger name titles I want at the moment.

    I can honestly say I've supported the company more than most of /v/. I'm not to blame for anything, OP. :(
    >> Dr. Girlfriend 02/05/10(Fri)12:48 No.48650473
    >>48650379
    >Disega or w/e
    >Hating on Fallout
    Hurr how do I used story
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)12:48 No.48650482
    MS should buy them just to fire every azn employee
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)12:49 No.48650542
    >>48649925
    Cry more, nobody wanted that shitty game and now the company is on the ropes.
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)12:49 No.48650570
    >>48650455
    yeaaah.. I didn't read that, sorry.
    My attentionspan is to short for some weeaboo whine.
    >> Sho_Minamimoto !DRoPZETTAU 02/05/10(Fri)12:49 No.48650571
    >>48650470
    You bought shitty games that weren't fit for yesteryear. Congratulations, there's a good reason you've supported it more than most of /v/.
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)12:50 No.48650620
    >>48650104
    You mean that game that was quite good? Yeah, fuckoff. :)

    >>48650065
    >fallout 3
    >good game
    Another example of crappy shootan games with rpg elements crammed on top. Still a sack of shit, much like the mass effect games.
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)12:50 No.48650631
    :D!!!
    >> Glorious Lord Fortengard !!dz+Ul4CMQhl 02/05/10(Fri)12:50 No.48650639
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    >>48649925
    >> Dr. Girlfriend 02/05/10(Fri)12:51 No.48650761
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    >>48650571
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)12:52 No.48650770
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    >>48650455
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)12:52 No.48650783
    >>48650542
    >nobody wanted it.
    >game sold.
    Evidently some people wanted it, is your intelligence really that low? It's fine, it's about the level I'd expect from someone who can't play a game that doesn't involve shooting, you don't have the attention span for a story or character development frankly. Continue playing your awful games that really ARE just rehashed, i'll be over here continuing to spend my money on good games instead.
    >> Fabulous Maximillion !!6hCZPECD0Lz 02/05/10(Fri)12:52 No.48650828
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    >>48650570
    Look good sirs,a kid with ADHD.
    >> Dr. Girlfriend 02/05/10(Fri)12:52 No.48650829
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    >>48650620
    >My face when successful troll
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)12:53 No.48650843
    To whoever mentioned cross edge, it's a pretty good game tbh.
    >> Sho_Minamimoto !DRoPZETTAU 02/05/10(Fri)12:53 No.48650892
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    >>48650843
    YOU'S TROLLIN
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)12:53 No.48650897
    Not selling enough copies to recoup development costs is a bad thing
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    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)12:53 No.48650908
    Sigh.

    Cost of making Absolute Hero Modding Project. Cost of Producing Last Rebellion. Cost of vastly expanding their American branch. Lack of a huge title like Disgaea 3 in the year.

    They had a high expenditure year, with none of the projects they were working on being released.

    in 2010 we have AHMP, The Disgaea VN, English releases of Last Rebellion and Atelier Rorona, and probably a couple other things. They'll bounce back just fine.
    >> LittleMiku !!z3qkxSh82Vo 02/05/10(Fri)12:53 No.48650914
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    I used to love NIS, but after Cross Edge...
    >> Losttrap !!MBG5QZB5y8W 02/05/10(Fri)12:54 No.48650949
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    >>48650571

    What makes 'em shitty games? Simply dropping, "Oh they're shit games, case closed." means fuck all.

    They're enjoyable, well made, glitch-free, have seemingly endless replay value, have unique non-stereotype characters, quirky dialogue and scenarios, pretty graphics, catchy music... I can't think of a single negative aspect to the games.

    The only conclusion I can come to is you're a faggot who hasn't even played any of the games and you base your opinion on generalizations made by other faggots who haven't played the games.
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)12:54 No.48650973
    >>48650455
    You say dark humor, all i see are intentional loli jokes and flat chests.
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)12:54 No.48650977
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    >>48650783

    Soul Cream and Onion thread.
    >> JACK !HC3I7pfe1g 02/05/10(Fri)12:55 No.48651026
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    and the pirates win again.
    >> Losttrap !!MBG5QZB5y8W 02/05/10(Fri)12:55 No.48651035
    >>48650914

    What about Cross Edge? NIS had as much involvement with that title as Capcom did. NISA simply published the NA release.
    >> Dr. Girlfriend 02/05/10(Fri)12:55 No.48651041
    >>48650949
    >well made
    >Japan
    lol u took him 2 da bar|?
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)12:55 No.48651043
    >>48650908


    Oh yeh, because jrpgs are massive cashcows on Next gen consoles
    >blue Dragon
    >Lost Odyssey
    >Star Ocean
    >vesperia
    >there was another one but I dont remember oh wait Eternal Sonata
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)12:56 No.48651070
    Oh fuck off, people defending Nippon Ichi. All they do is release the same kind of otaku pandering stories with MOE MOE~ or OMG SO GAR~ characters and you people roll around in that shit. Takes the imagination of a twelve year old. They're the most stagnant company around, both gameplay and scenario style and it will be a fucking boon to the industry that they're gone
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)12:56 No.48651073
    >>48650914

    Nis didn't develop CE

    Hurf.
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)12:56 No.48651101
    >>48650897
    Sorry, what? Their profit is down. They STILL MADE A PROFIT. :/ can't you people read? All their costs are covered son.
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)12:57 No.48651130
    >>48650949

    Long, boring games, horrible voice acting, plots with absolutely no danger to the characters whatsoever, the sheer amount of grinding involved (although apparantly since I last played them the series no longer requires any grind whatsoever to beat)
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)12:57 No.48651131
    Fine by me.
    Nippin Ichi games are GRIND GRIND GRIND DICK JOKE GRIND GRIND HORSE ASSHOLES GRIND, and Vanillaware games are all style over substance. They look fucking amazing, but they're not that memorable gameplay wise.

    Both appeal to otaku with shitty gameplay and more fanservice than anything else. Vanillaware is especially guilty of this.
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)12:57 No.48651160
    The humour in these games is the sort of tepid bullshit that could only appeal to cloistered weeaboos. Don't trust anyone who tries to advocate for these backwards, uninteresting games on the basis of their writing.
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)12:58 No.48651195
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    >people caring
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)12:58 No.48651198
    >>48650783
    Don't posture like you are some intellectual because you gobble up any weeaboo shovelware that comes down the pike. Also learn the difference between "can't" and "won't".
    Obviously not enough people are buying the game, seeing as their profits have plummeted.Oh wait, that's piracy's fault.God forbid you just admit it's a shitty company that makes shitty games.
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)12:58 No.48651239
    >>48651043

    Seriously I would look forward to current gen Nis game more then the JRPGs these days, easily more than FF13. Nis just needs to start making games.
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)12:59 No.48651271
    >>48651101

    Fucking hell, are you actually implying a development company will stay open long when they're just breaking even? How the hell will they be able to start off any big projects? They basically made a shitstain of themselves.
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)12:59 No.48651282
    >>48649010
    Maybe they thought they could eat the same cake Square-Enix has been eating from for YEARS.
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)12:59 No.48651305
    >>48651239


    no, they know it would flop...


    Although....HD Persona 5....

    with online co-op....
    >> Sho_Minamimoto !DRoPZETTAU 02/05/10(Fri)12:59 No.48651315
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    I have actually played Disgaea, but thank you for making assumptions

    Each character is made up of a blurry, low-res sprite that yells out the same cheesy line over and over again as a few flashy colors light up on the screen. The games are incredibly tedious to a fault and the game has the artificial longevity of adding a million fucking levels so that you can start over again WITH BETTER STATS DUDE. Sounds like fun to me

    The quirky dialogue and scenarios, don't make me laugh. They're not more than an excuse to push XD KERWAII comedy that would make you cringe if you weren't always alone while playing it.

    Endless replay value means nothing when the game had little to no value in the first place. Falling down an endless pit doesn't sound like much fun to me, sorry.
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)13:00 No.48651345
    >>48650783

    >Nippon Ichi
    >character development

    :D you maek joek
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)13:00 No.48651367
    >>48651239
    I don't know about you, but I'd buy another fucking 3 hour Halo expansion before I'd buy either FF13 or a next gen GRINDAN Ichi game.
    If they tried something a bit outside the box like with that Prinny PSP game though, then I'd probably give it a go.
    The SRPG games they make though, god damn are they ever grindy.
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)13:00 No.48651372
    >>48651043
    >360
    >360
    >360
    >360
    >Shit game

    Gee wonder why they didn't sell
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)13:00 No.48651374
    >>48651130
    >last played them
    troll. you've never played them. disgaea 1 never required any grinding to beat the main game either. none of them do. nice try though.
    ps.
    >listing 'long' as a bad point for a game
    doho, opinion disregarded, short attention shooting fag. the longer the game is, the better.
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)13:01 No.48651447
    >>48651271
    Hi there, I'm Midway, I survived 10 years making games while breaking even.
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)13:01 No.48651483
    >>48651367
    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHAAHAHA. Oh god.
    >> E-Tan 02/05/10(Fri)13:02 No.48651491
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    I stopped "buying" their games after they released the same rehashed shit the 10th time. Storylines are wonderful, but when every single game of theirs has the same battle system/etc, its just like playing the same game different coat of blahhhh paint.
    By "buying" i bought most of their games used. I appreciate them, but really, how much of that money is really going to them? None.
    >> Fabulous Maximillion !!6hCZPECD0Lz 02/05/10(Fri)13:02 No.48651499
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    >>48651271
    You do realize that they've got a big amount of projects (For such a niche company) in development/to be localized that their money have covered and that they still break even with their big games not yet released?
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)13:02 No.48651503
    They still made a profit though. Amazon, possibly the internet's largest retailer, made NO profit last year.
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)13:02 No.48651517
    this is making me want to buy a disgae game now,, and i havent ever played a nipheads rpg in a while. usually when most of /v/ hates something id bet to say they haver no idea what they are talking about
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)13:02 No.48651531
    >>48649416
    MARIO BROS WASN'T LINEAR!!
    YOU COULD, LIKE, USE A PIPE TO CUT LIKE 6 WORLDS AHEAD, MAN!
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)13:02 No.48651552
    >>48651447

    That company barely subisted on cranking out shitty licensed games.
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)13:03 No.48651569
    >>48651505
    I
    AM
    THE
    SA-MOO-RYEEEE
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)13:03 No.48651593
    Whatever, every game they've made since Disgaea has been identical
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)13:03 No.48651608
    >>48651315
    Sums up how I feel about the games nicely, thanks.
    I feel so fucking embarrassed whenever people talk about how funny it is, and all the jokes sound like a 13 year old was coming up with them.
    The item descriptions however, are pretty funny.
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)13:03 No.48651610
    >>48649925
    >amazing characters, and a good story.
    >This should be the main selling point of any game

    fuck no, you casual trash
    gameplay first. above all else
    I'm glad these fuckers are dying
    >> Fuckcunt !vXKh1ytRio 02/05/10(Fri)13:03 No.48651613
    Serves them right for releasing that godawful Prinny game.
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)13:03 No.48651618
    they were using same formula to churn out second rate games repeatedly nonstop for months and months, they would be releasing 3 games within a 2 month time period.

    they made terrible games, and disgaea the original was their only noteworthy title.
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)13:03 No.48651638
    >>48651305

    >Online

    >co-op

    Just... stop.
    >> Dr. Girlfriend 02/05/10(Fri)13:03 No.48651642
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    >> MrTouchdown !kd5QLpW6sE 02/05/10(Fri)13:04 No.48651655
    Played Disgaea 1 and 2, Makai Kingdom and Phantom Brave. And goddamn they were all the same game. Very little variation in gameplay, same recurring terrible humor and otaku pandering characters. Sold off the fetishism of the characters and the embarrassing Dragonball Z-esque features such as 'OMG LOOK AT HOW MUCH DAMAGE THAT DID BIGGEST EVER IN A GAME' and the kind of humour that'd be considered a genius by Gaia Online standards.

    LOL PRINNY.
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)13:04 No.48651657
    >>48651198
    You're the one confusing things here. Things such as 'gobbling down any game they put out' with things like 'buying good games that i've evaluated on my own'. I am an intellectual, as I said, I'll stick with buying games I deem good and worth my time. You on the other hand, can stick with buying IGN 10/10 GOTY rated halo/cod/whatever shooting rehash balls they have now.
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)13:04 No.48651687
    Yes, it's my fault they make bad games that I don't want to buy. TOTALLY my fault.
    >> Sho_Minamimoto !DRoPZETTAU 02/05/10(Fri)13:04 No.48651689
    >>48651608
    >The item descriptions however, are pretty funny.
    I'll give you that.
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)13:05 No.48651725
    >>48651638
    >co-op
    >bad
    Nofriends alert. It's not surprising you're a huge fan of Nippon Ichi and Persona games.
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)13:05 No.48651728
    NIS STILL MADE A PROFIT! THEY HAVEN'T DECLARED BANKRUPTCY! THEY MADE NO MONEY BECAUSE THEY HAD NO MAJOR RELEASES!
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)13:05 No.48651730
    >Nippon Ichi
    I would probably be a huge fan if they didn't make their games so grindy. More like Soul Nomad please, THEN I'll buy.

    >Vanillaware
    I sad now
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)13:05 No.48651733
    >>48651638

    I forget, /v/ only wants to jealously neckbeard alone with the games they like
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)13:05 No.48651778
    In during the second video game crash.
    >> Sho_Minamimoto !DRoPZETTAU 02/05/10(Fri)13:05 No.48651796
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    >> Dr. Girlfriend 02/05/10(Fri)13:06 No.48651823
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    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)13:06 No.48651824
    >>48651610
    Your opinion is that of an idiot, and thus you are wrong. Although you are one rung ahead the graphics whores. A game with good story and characters is a good game. You don't not read a book because the act of turning of the pages isn't exciting enough. To reiterate, you're an idiot.
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)13:06 No.48651874
    >>48648698

    This.
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)13:07 No.48651918
    >>48651689
    Games Atlus translates are usually pretty full of them.
    Summon Night had really good item descriptions.
    And pretty fun gameplay, with the Swordcraft games.
    The other Summon Nights, not so much.
    >> Losttrap !!MBG5QZB5y8W 02/05/10(Fri)13:07 No.48651926
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    >>48651130
    >Long, boring games
    Being long is only an issue if you find the game boring. Fuck, Grand Theft Auto IV felt like a long game because of how little fun I was having with it. I just wanted it to fucking end already.

    >horrible voice acting
    This and 99% of video games out there. I guess all games are shit because of the voice acting, right? Voice acting is such an immense detail. But regardless, the games don't have bad voice acting at all. The only bad voice actor I can imagine was the girl they got to replace Etna's voice actor, and only because we were used to the original, sarcastic one.

    >plots with absolutely no danger to the characters whatsoever
    Danger isn't the essence of a good story. It's conflict. I can't think of many, if any, video games where the hero is actually in huge danger. "OH MY GOD IT'S RAINING SHARDS OF GLASS THAT WILL INSTANTLY KILL YOU. BUT OH LOOK, THERE'S A NICE BIG SAFE PATH RIGHT IN FRONT OF US."


    >the sheer amount of grinding involved
    I have yet to play a NIS game that required excessive grinding to beat. Fuck, the first Disgaea takes less grinding than Final Fantasy 8 did. The grinding is only there if you want to make your characters all beefed up. Being able to grind everything from your spells to your health potions adds to the game and isn't required.

    Fuck, I'd rather go through 1000 different randomly generated SRPG battles than point and click on heads on the same map in some shitty FPS.
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)13:07 No.48651928
    >>48651824

    >comparing story of a video game to a story of a book
    >comparing the gameplay of a video game to turning the pages of a book

    Nigga you just went full retard.
    >> E-Tan 02/05/10(Fri)13:08 No.48651979
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    >>48651824

    Usually...you know...you play a game.

    A game shouldn't consist of you pressing A to go through screens and screens of "funny" dialog.

    A game should have gameplay.
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)13:08 No.48652010
    >A game with good story and characters is a good game.

    Fucking casuals. 3/10
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)13:09 No.48652071
    >>48651824
    You don't sound cut out for video games.
    You should stick to a story driven medium. Video games, gameplay comes first, story and characters are a very welcome bonus.
    >> MrTouchdown !kd5QLpW6sE 02/05/10(Fri)13:09 No.48652076
    >>48651926

    Implying high chance of failure isn't key to conflict is just funny.
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)13:10 No.48652107
    >>48651824
    horrible analogy is horrible.

    A game can have a good story and characters and still be a shitty game. How? If it's got bad gameplay, you won't have fun. That's the point of playing a game. Having fun.

    The whole point of a video game is how you interact with it. YOU PLAYING IT. People read books for stories. People play games for gameplay.

    You're an idiot. Thankfully most gamers are smart enough not to buy into your rhetoric and now nippon ichi is suffering because they don't make good games.
    >> Sho_Minamimoto !DRoPZETTAU 02/05/10(Fri)13:10 No.48652112
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    >>48651926
    My image accurately represents the amount of good points you made in that post
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)13:10 No.48652116
    >>48651926

    I always knew you were an idiot but god damn...
    >> Ultimate Idort! !aVFEC22V.o 02/05/10(Fri)13:10 No.48652126
    Note: Those sales numbers are for NIS, not NIS America.
    Yes, even the Japanese hate NIS games.
    >> E-Tan 02/05/10(Fri)13:11 No.48652199
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    .>>48652107

    They make a good game.

    Over and over and over and over and over and over and over....
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)13:11 No.48652213
    >>48651979
    >>48652010
    10/10 Would rage again.

    Fucking action faggots that have never even seen a book cover on their life.

    And I am not even defending the shitty games NIS make.
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)13:11 No.48652215
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    >>48651979
    Hey look, a game by a company that actually made money.
    >> Dr. Girlfriend 02/05/10(Fri)13:11 No.48652218
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    >>48651926
    >I guess all games are shit because of the voice acting, right?
    No, shit games are shit because of a combination of all of the elements later listed in your post. And your post was completely incorrectly retarded.

    >I'd rather go through 1000 different randomly generated SRPG battles than point and click on heads on the same map in some shitty FPS.
    I would rather fight the same thing 1000 times than fight the same thing a million times.
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)13:12 No.48652242
    Disgaea was unique, funny, interesting and fun.

    That's it.

    All the other N1 games are the same shit.

    N1 is worse than any other developer for rahashing.

    Even the Madden games are less of a rehash.

    N1 needs to adapt or die.
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)13:12 No.48652292
    >>48652126
    I think the Japanese are just finally getting sick of JRPGs and the path they're going, even they're up in arms about the way FF13 is.

    As much as I like Disgaea, I've got to admit.

    It's about time.
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)13:13 No.48652311
    >>48652213

    Then go read a book.

    We play video games around here.
    >> Boxer !yl3K3xulPc 02/05/10(Fri)13:13 No.48652353
    Nippon Ichi, nooooooo!

    One of the last few good developers.
    >> MrTouchdown !kd5QLpW6sE 02/05/10(Fri)13:14 No.48652409
    >>48652353

    Hahahahaha.

    Oh God. You're serious.
    >> Dr. Girlfriend 02/05/10(Fri)13:14 No.48652432
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    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)13:15 No.48652459
    A thread full of people bitching at NIS for rehashing one game concept with a few added gimmicks. And with a straight face, you'll eat up the next Call of Duty, Pokemon, Monster Hunter, God of War, Halo, or Final Fantasy game like it was the second coming.

    Keep up the good work /v/.
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)13:16 No.48652504
    >>48652292
    No, they just hate the bad ones.
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)13:17 No.48652571
    >>48652459

    >Implying /v/ likes any of those games barring perhaps Monster Hunter and Pokemon.
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)13:17 No.48652600
    Maybe they'll smarten up, and stop releasing shitty buggy DLC
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)13:18 No.48652646
    >>48651979
    >>48652010
    And it does have gameplay. Fairly decent gameplay at that too. Beats 'aim, shoot, aim, shoot, ai-oh wait autoaim, regen health automatically, shoot'.
    That is the definition of bad gameplay, and THAT is casual. Having a good story and characters is not even remotely casual, you don't seem to understand the definition.

    >>48651928
    >implying you shouldn't be comparing the story of a video game to that of a book or a movie
    And why not? There's no reason you can give that isn't retarded. It's an entertainment medium like the rest, their stories can all be compared.

    >>48652107
    Once again, another uneducated /v/ user appears. Video games are not played exclusively for gameplay. Like other entertainment mediums, they are a form of escapism. What is the best form of escapism? Being involved in a detailed story. I never said at any point gameplay wasn't important, I said it was the 3rd most important thing. And as I have also stated, the disgaea series has perfectly fine gameplay. Not anyone elses fault you suck and have to grind because you can't play anything besides autoaim and shoot shit. Ps, graphics were what I said were entirely irrelevant.
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)13:18 No.48652666
    >>48649925

    There shouldn't be levels in a skill based game.

    There would be no level 1 versus level 6000. It'd be guy versus huge mother fucker.
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)13:18 No.48652695
    >>48652459
    If it means anything, I thought they've been shit from the beginning, the rehashing part doesn't bug me that much. I do like games like Zelda after all.
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)13:18 No.48652722
    itt neckbeards wheezing insults back and forth at each other
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)13:19 No.48652749
    >>48652459
    This.

    >>48652213
    And this.
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)13:19 No.48652778
    >>48652311
    Ah, thanks man, I'll just do what you say, since doing what we want and playing a combination of forms of entertainment is obviously against the rules.

    It won't happen again Fun Police, I swear.

    By the way officer, may I suggest you just go out and play gotcha with some friends, rather than playing FPS games?
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)13:19 No.48652784
    >>48652459

    The games that NIS makes are predicated on gameplay systems that could only appeal to broken, neckbearded autistics. The redundancy of their catalogue isn't the issue here.
    >> Losttrap !!MBG5QZB5y8W 02/05/10(Fri)13:19 No.48652798
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    >Each character is made up of a blurry, low-res sprite that yells out the same cheesy line over and over again as a few flashy colors light up on the screen.

    I think the sprites look just fine, no idea what you're yammering about. And you're honestly bitching about characters only having three-seven lines of dialogue for their attacks in a game from 2003? That's still the fucking norm. I can't recall how many times I've endured, "ENERMY IS EVERYWHERE" in Mass Effect 1, a game boasted for its immense amount of dialogue.

    >The games are incredibly tedious to a fault and the game has the artificial longevity of adding a million fucking levels so that you can start over again WITH BETTER STATS DUDE. Sounds like fun to me
    Maybe not to you, but if that's what someone enjoys, then they're in fucking heaven now aren't they? It's no different than "tediously" clicking on heads on the same map of a FPS for hours every day, or clicking the same three number keys during 25 man raids. If that's what a person likes to do, then being able to do more of it is only a good thing. If it's not what you want, then fuck off. No one's saying you have to enjoy it, just not claim it's a shit game because it's not your cup of tea.

    >The quirky dialogue and scenarios, don't make me laugh. They're not more than an excuse to push XD KERWAII comedy that would make you cringe if you weren't always alone while playing it.
    Again, as you admitted, it's just something you're not a fan of. Doesn't make it bad.

    >Endless replay value means nothing when the game had little to no value in the first place. Falling down an endless pit doesn't sound like much fun to me, sorry.
    More like falling down an endless pit where the walls are made out of large tits and cotton candy, and for whatever reason, you can stop at any time.

    >>48652112
    What a coincidence, as does my image to your recent post.
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)13:20 No.48652811
    >>48652646
    Someone please post the comic of the Fatlus trying to play Halo in regards to this post.
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)13:20 No.48652820
    >>48652459
    >Call of Duty
    Doesn't really have that strong a following here.

    >Pokemon
    No comment, but I would wager that the anti-NIS crowd are also anti-Pokemon. They're mostly normalfags, and both series have their fair share of lolis/little girls.

    >Monster Hunter
    No comment, although the fanbase seems to be so snobby that one has to wonder why you'd join it.

    >God of War,
    Can't defend it, prefer DMC/Bayonetta anyways.

    >Halo
    Halo isn't terrible. It has a terrible fanbase, and as I stated with MH, for many that's enough for you to stay away from it but face it, if you don't have at least a few friends to play Halo with, you'll get sick of it quick.

    >Final Fantasy game
    Thus far I've only seen people make fun of Final Fantasy 13, and occasionally discuss how the subscription to 14 will work.
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)13:20 No.48652822
    sure is CHING CHONG NIP NONG in here
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)13:21 No.48652880
    >>48652666
    and? 2d is bad. sprites are bad. levels are bad. honestly, you've no idea what you're on about. you're the kind of person who wants every game to be a sandbox game, that you can beat every single thing in it at the very start.
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)13:22 No.48652969
    >>48652571
    >implying /v/ doesn't have at least one Pokemon, Monster Hunter, or Final Fantasy thread a day, and won't won't eat up God of War 3.

    Yeah, the ModWar2 nonsense has died down. I don't know where Halo came from though. Just a reflex when talking about rehash games I guess.
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)13:22 No.48652992
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    This the best post in the whole fucking topic.

    Yeah, us pirates killed it. *Looks through his list of pirated games for Disgaea or anything NIS related* Oh look at that, it's fucking nothing.

    I pirate games. I also don't pirate games that suck. When Disgaea first came out i enjoyed it. It didn't need a sequel, but we not only got a sequel that was the SAME FUCKING GAME that still didn't fix the level grinding, we also got MORE of the SAME GAMES under DIFFERENT NAMES. If that isn't bad enough they keep re releasing the same shitty games like they're Squaresoft or something.

    NIS is going to die for a reason and it's not because of gamers, not because of pirates and not because of casuals. It's because they aren't fit to be a video game company and obviously know nothing about the industry that markets them.

    Save the shit about me being some graphics whore or some stupid thing like that since i can't see the OH SO DEEP STORY. The story isn't that great to begin with and even if i wanted a story i'd pick up a fucking book and read it. I play games to *Shock* Play a game. Stop acting like this is huge,

    NOTHING OF VALUE WAS LOST.
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)13:22 No.48652995
    >>48651447

    >On February 12, 2009, Midway Games filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy

    U SURE BOUT DAT BRO
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    >> MrTouchdown !kd5QLpW6sE 02/05/10(Fri)13:23 No.48653009
    >>48652646

    >I decide what makes a game good or bad. NIS games are the ambrosia of the industry, you uncultured swine

    But really, you were making the point about storyline being most important. That's debateable alone but if you don't have the ability to immerse the player and, as is the case with all NIS games I have played, shove mind numbingly dull battle/progression systems in between plot, then you're failing to do so. Not to mention the plots are anywhere from average to downright terrible.
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)13:23 No.48653028
    omg this thread is making me RAGE

    you baka gaijin are too simpleminded to grasp the brilliance of an NIS game
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)13:23 No.48653038
    Games like Halo and Call of Duty take more skill than any NIS game.
    Say anything you want about how casual they are, but they still take more practice and effort to be good.
    >> Losttrap !!MBG5QZB5y8W 02/05/10(Fri)13:23 No.48653042
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    >completely incorrectly retarded

    The only fault with Disgaea is the excessive amount of AVAILABLE (not required!) grinding, and that's only if you don't want to grind. But hey, if you don't want to grind, then don't. I can't conceive why people are bitching about an aspect of a game they don't like (which is confusing on why they're even playing a SRPG to being with) when they can complete the game without having to use it.
    >> Pink Mage !CurlyBOCPY 02/05/10(Fri)13:23 No.48653047
    oh, fuck
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)13:23 No.48653048
    >>48652880

    What's wrong with that?
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)13:24 No.48653082
    >>48652995
    Yes. I didn't say they weren't bankrupt now lol. Another example of not even really reading the post. They survived for 10 years breaking even is what I said.
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)13:24 No.48653091
    >>48652646
    who mentioned shooters?

    oh, YOU did, not anyone who said gameplay should be first

    your insecurity is blaringly obvious and humorous

    the only thing that makes a video game different from a movie is your interaction with it. therefore, gameplay is the most important facet of a video game. Take out the gameplay, and you just have a fucking movie.

    Someday you'll be old enough to wrap your brain around it. in the meantime, just keep quiet and let adults talk.
    >> Tomo Takino !!6tvW13XpJ1K 02/05/10(Fri)13:24 No.48653097
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    And nothing of value was lost.
    >> Jouten 02/05/10(Fri)13:25 No.48653150
    >And it's your fault. Yes, you.
    So their lack of profit is my fault?

    Not the fact they make bad games for bad systems that don't sell?
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)13:25 No.48653174
    >>48653091
    >Take out the gameplay, and you just have a fucking movie.
    JAAAAAASOOOOOOOOOON
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)13:25 No.48653195
    >>48651725

    Co OP is the end all of games.

    This reminds me of adding multiplayer in Metroid prime 2. It's that pointless.
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)13:25 No.48653197
    >>48653038
    and contain zero fun. sorry, they're shit games, more typical shootan crap that people shovel down their throats.
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)13:26 No.48653248
    >>48653042

    How about shit writing, pandering fetishistic design and characters that attempt to subvert contemporary forms but end up just fitting in two or more at the same time?
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)13:26 No.48653278
    >>48651725

    The Persona games is very story driven, to add co-op in would force them to change how the game works.

    I love co-op as much as anybody but please put it in context where it makes sense.
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)13:27 No.48653289
    I won't miss Nippon Ichi and their bland, rehashed shit.
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)13:27 No.48653292
    Is Mass Effect a movie or a game?
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)13:27 No.48653306
    >>48653038
    Not that that's saying much. RPGs don't take skill to begin with.
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)13:27 No.48653321
    >>48652784
    Then why would you care how they're doing if you aren't a "broken, neckbearded autistic"? Too many of you take the existence of games you don't like as some kind of personal insult.
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)13:28 No.48653364
    >>48653048
    Everything. Sandbox games in themselves are shit. I enjoy levelling up, I enjoy increasingly powerful enemies. I enjoy increasing difficulty. If there's a game you can beat everything at the start, the difficulty quite obviously has a cap on how high it can go. And that cap is fairly fucking low.
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)13:28 No.48653385
    >>48653197
    Fun is objective.
    The same argument many of the NIS fags are using applies to this as well.
    You might not be, but it's worth pointing out.
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)13:28 No.48653394
    >>48653082
    This.

    Breaking even is bare minimum SUCCESS for a business, that means they can keep afloat.

    97.5 down profit is still profit.
    >> Losttrap !!MBG5QZB5y8W 02/05/10(Fri)13:28 No.48653407
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    >>48652996

    You'll come to find how argumentative I am soon enough. Not mad, I just don't appreciate someone claiming something is shit just because it's not something they personally enjoy.

    Hell, I don't enjoy Fallout 3, at all. That doesn't mean I run around screaming in peoples faces when they say they like it just because I don't.

    I swear, I'm one of the few people on /v/ who don't have the "My taste in games > Your taste in games" mentality.
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)13:29 No.48653437
    >>48649925
    >characters and story
    >Selling point of game.

    NO. NO YOU FUCKTARD.
    That's LITERATURE.
    GAMES ARE NOT A GOOD STORYTELLING MEDIUM.
    BECAUSE THE PEOPLE PLAYING THEM DON'T USUALLY PAY ATTENTION TO THE STORY.
    SO IT HAS TO BE REALLY SIMPLIFIED OR IMPOSSIBLY OVERCOMPLICATED.
    AND YOU CAN'T PACE IT, BECAUSE YOU CANT JUDGE HOW QUICKLY PEOPLE ARE GOING TO CLEAR IT.
    >> E-Tan !T2yDkuD3Zg 02/05/10(Fri)13:29 No.48653443
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    i like good rpgs, thank you very much.
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)13:29 No.48653455
    >>48652784
    read; i'm an idiot who can't understand even the most mildly complex systems and want everything dumbed down to it's absolute base.
    cancer killing challenging and complicated games, fuckoff.
    >> Dr. Girlfriend 02/05/10(Fri)13:29 No.48653477
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    >>48653042
    It's like saying that Final Fantasy has no grinding!
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)13:29 No.48653490
    >>48653385
    Don't you mean fun is SUBjective?
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)13:30 No.48653523
    >>48653306
    I know. Not going against NIS with that.
    I just wanted to point out to many of the NIS kids that the games they're calling casual take more effort, and in effect are more hardcore than NIS games.
    NIS games are pretty casual. Enjoy them if you like, but they are very simple and easy.
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)13:31 No.48653591
    >>48652992
    >NIS is going to die for a reason and it's not because of gamers, not because of pirates and not because of casuals. It's because they aren't fit to be a video game company and obviously know nothing about the industry that markets them.

    Someone finally nailed it. But hey, 200+ posts of people blaming each other, here we go!
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)13:31 No.48653595
    >>48653490
    Probably.
    Thanks for the correction.
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)13:32 No.48653664
    >>48653437
    If you aren't paying attention to the story then you're just mashing buttons to see pretty colors, big numbers, or people falling over. Congrats on paying $300 (system) + $12000 (TV) + $60 (game) to do what my toddler can do with a plastic hammer and figures from the dollar store.
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)13:32 No.48653667
    >>48653364

    >I like games that I can grind and beat a boss easily because I am terrible and can't do it while being a low level or having very little or nothing to use

    That is all I heard.
    >> !BAWKersLBg 02/05/10(Fri)13:32 No.48653682
    >>48651131
    >Nippin Ichi games are GRIND GRIND GRIND DICK JOKE GRIND GRIND HORSE ASSHOLES GRIND

    Good god I must go get these games.
    >> Losttrap !!MBG5QZB5y8W 02/05/10(Fri)13:32 No.48653683
    >>48653248

    I thought a lot of the characters broke the mold quite nicely, especially with their destruction of Japanese parodies.

    Unless you're talking about the god awful Disgaea anime, which turned all of the characters into anime stereotypes and was overfilled with nothing but "LOL ETNA SHOT A PRINNY AGAIN, SO RANDOM!" (and, sadly, where a lot of Disgaea's current fans now come from).
    >> Sho_Minamimoto !DRoPZETTAU 02/05/10(Fri)13:32 No.48653708
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    >>48652798
    My point is that they've made a game that appeals to a (very) small niche audience. They've never changed in that regard so now they're suffering for it. You know, some people like scat play, but I don't, doesn't stop it from being shit.

    In conclusion, only a few people enjoy shit(you included apparently). Now NIS is going under because they fail to appeal to a wider group of people. Also, stop comparing it to fucking FPS, it's far from my preferred genre.
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)13:32 No.48653710
    >>48653091
    >bringing age into it
    skipping past the fact that the chances are i'm older than you, you've ran out of reasonable points to make when you're left with that son. if you even had any to begin with.
    shooting games were brought into it, because that's what the majority of the public shovel down their throats. it's all the same casualised rehash of previous shootan with shinier graphics. I prefer games with complexity, that actually requires some fucking understanding on your part of how to do shit. Maybe this is because I actually have a brain capable of thinking for myself, who knows.
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)13:33 No.48653728
    >>48653477
    I'm sorry criminal scum, but I gotta stop you right there. I have never, under no circumstance, grinded in ANY Final Fantasy. I just keep going from point A to point B and beat them by combining skills rather than using ATTACK a hundred times because I am unbeatable.
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)13:33 No.48653749
    >>48653455

    That's an awesome metric you're using to determine a games worth, little guy. Complexity means nothing.
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)13:33 No.48653786
    >>48653664

    Congrats on paying $300 (system) + $12000 (TV) + $60 (game) to do what I could do for 10 bucks at a book store.
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)13:34 No.48653814
    >>48653708
    there's the problem. 'appeal to a wider group of people' really just means 'stick some fucking shooting in it'. see how well fallout 3 and mass effect 2 sold, and they were both godawful games. regardless if it's your preferred genre or not.
    >> Pink Mage !CurlyBOCPY 02/05/10(Fri)13:34 No.48653847
    >>48651918

    >summon night
    >dept. heaven series

    fuck yes Atlus
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)13:34 No.48653890
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    >>48653385
    >fun is objective

    Just...wow. Biggest fail I've seen in this thread, and that is fucking saying something.
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)13:35 No.48653909
    >>48653477
    and it doesn't unless you a) choose to for optional things or b) suck at the main game so that you have to. you obviously don't understand the term.
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)13:35 No.48653925
    How the fuck did Last Rebellion sell only 3.3k. I don't even play JRPGs and i've heard about it. You'd think nips eat that shit up.
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)13:35 No.48653929
    >>48653683

    You're wrong, trust. They're the exact same as a lot of long running, mostly PC platform, otaku 'counter mainstream' characters.
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)13:35 No.48653939
    >>48653667
    I beat a level 60 or so "boss" in Disgaea 2 with my level 25 mage.

    Levels don't matter in the regular storyline, equipment does.
    >> Sho_Minamimoto !DRoPZETTAU 02/05/10(Fri)13:35 No.48653952
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    >>48653814
    Yes because there are NO other ways to make a game more accessible. Stop grasping at straws, you know I'm right.
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)13:36 No.48653994
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    >>48653708
    Isn't your thing Fighters, Sho?
    One of the few genres where the high level play takes a shit ton of practice and incredible reflexes.
    One frame links are fucking impossible man. That shit takes so much practice.
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)13:36 No.48654003
    >>48653664
    >If you aren't playing for the gameplay then you're just reading a book or watching a movie with pretty colors, big numbers, or people falling over. Congrats on paying $300 (system) + $12000 (TV) + $60 (game) to do what my toddler can do with her monthly subscription to Highlights or an episode of Blues Clues
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)13:36 No.48654005
    Maybe they should put there games on both platforms then.


    yes i mad ;_;
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)13:36 No.48654035
    >CHING CHONG WE ONRY MAKE KAWAII GAME ^_^
    >Company fucked
    Im_ok_with_this.cfg
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)13:36 No.48654037
    >>48653814

    Cool subjective points, bro, nevermind the fact that they're the ones trying to branch out of straight corridor shooting. V. cool subjective points.
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)13:37 No.48654065
    >>48653667
    The you heard wrong. I like exceptionally challenging and difficult fights. Besides the story and characters, the main reason I play rpgs is for the stupidly overpowered optional bosses. If you think you can beat all of them with no effort or strategy or skill then you are wrong.
    in b4 JUST GRIND. there is a limit to grinding in most, if not all, games. and even at max level many of said optional bosses still hammer you.
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)13:37 No.48654084
    >>48653683
    >"LOL ETNA SHOT A PRINNY AGAIN, SO RANDOM!"

    Let's be real, Etna ALWAYS did shit like that.

    The point of her character is that she acts like an overzealous teenager in a little girl's body with a ridiculous amount of power at her disposal.

    Otaku eat any sort of loli up anyways, just look at /a/.
    >> Anonymous 02/05/10(Fri)13:37 No.48654110
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    >>48653952

    Who the fuck is this faggot acting like me? By the way, take a good look at me, because i'm an example of a character from a GOOD game.



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