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    251 KB Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:20 No.47656086  
    What does /v/ think about Camping Duty: Akimbo Models 2?

    I personally wish to kill myself after I get killed in the most ridiculous ways, especially when I clearly run into cover before getting shot yet the killcam shows I was out in the open.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:21 No.47656173
    >have shitty internet connection
    >blame video game
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:22 No.47656199
    >>47656086
    That's called having everyone jump on the connection of one person who is also playing the game instead of using a dedicated point to connect to out of balance for the rest of the players.

    lol IW, lol.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:22 No.47656207
    People still have problem with dual models?
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:23 No.47656292
    >>47656086
    >yet the killcam shows I was out in the open.
    This along with the "I see a guy in the open doing nothing. I open fire, he turns around and kills me instantly".
    The killcam says that he saw me doing nothing and him taking the shot.
    Bullshit.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:23 No.47656320
    I never played the game.

    Feels good man.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:23 No.47656338
    >>47656207
    they only "balanced" out regular akimbo 1887s, but if you use them with akimbo+FMJ they're still the same shit they always were
    >> Zaramoth !5FJ5Q5v0Ow 01/24/10(Sun)17:24 No.47656383
    >use first shotgun.
    >get the grip
    >use steady aim
    >stopping power too
    >kills all akimbo and knife faggots
    >also use umps or scar
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:24 No.47656425
    >>47656207
    I saw someone yesterday dualing two revolvers. He was the epitome of manliness.

    Then I saw someone dualing two desert eagles and I about popped a blood vessel. Who's brilliant idea was it to be able to shoot two desert eagles simultaneously without seriously injuring yourself... For those of you who have never shot one they have a hell of a kick.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:25 No.47656481
    >>47656383
    The SPAS 12 is an awesome shotgun. The only downfall is the pump action which restricts you to one person at a time. But still, it makes every kill so satisfying.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:25 No.47656514
    >>47656320

    the campaign is fine, and multiplayer is good every now and then when there's nothing to do. but i'll never say its the greatest game ever like some people.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:26 No.47656549
    >>47656292
    I was on the receiving end of this shit once. I turn around and this guy is right in front of me, I swear he fires enough shots to blow a few of my limbs off and I casually walk up to him and knife his shit.

    I bet he was pissed off.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:26 No.47656560
    >>47656425
    Same with the duel revolvers. And duel Models. And duel fucking P90s.
    The whole akimbo thing is fucking ridiculous.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:27 No.47656625
    AKIMBO G18s


    HUEUHEUHEUHHUUHEUHEHUEUHEHUHUEHUEUHEUHHHUEUE
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:27 No.47656670
    Probably some of the most unbalanced shit I've ever seen in a multiplayer game. I swear to god its like IW just said "hey what do you think SOUNDS cool?" And they put it in and did not bother play testing with any of this shit. That games only saving grace is the FAL
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:28 No.47656747
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    >>47656625
    Holy shit this.
    It's just BULLETSBULLETSBULLETSBULLETS. No aim. Just fire both guns and jump around like a fag.
    At least with the 1887s you have to aim.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:29 No.47656782
    >>47656425

    d-d-d-dual revolvers?

    Fuck yes on now.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:29 No.47656842
    what's the point of even making guns with low/high dmg and they still take the same amount of bullets to kill someone? Seems like using stopping power on a high dmg gun is useless.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:30 No.47656929
    Fuck
    Thermal
    Snipers
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:31 No.47656983
    >>47656929

    ohai. That's me
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:31 No.47656991
    >>47656670
    >I swear to god its like IW just said "hey what do you think SOUNDS cool?" And they put it in and did not bother play testing with any of this shit
    Yep. This must be it. There is so little foresight with everything. Like the OMA infinite noobtoob. Or the fact that a RPG-7 (or even an AT4) and Dangerclose can clear entire rooms.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:32 No.47657022
    >>47656747
    The best part about it is if you use just the single Glock-18 the recoil is crazy, but if you use Akimbo, the recoil is very manageable and makes them far more accurate even though the stats say accuracy goes down.
    >> Zaramoth !5FJ5Q5v0Ow 01/24/10(Sun)17:32 No.47657090
    >>47656983
    Ha eat my shit on wasteland when i have cold blood
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:32 No.47657104
    >>47656842
    >Seems like using stopping power on a high dmg gun is useless.
    It is.
    All Stopping Power does is make it 1.4X times better. If it already kills in 2 bullets, making it kill in 1.4 bullets will still require you to hit them twice.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:33 No.47657116
    >>47656670

    I did get real worried when I heard about some of the new features they were putting into MW2.

    It was if the developers just looked at the CoD4 gamefaqs boards for ideas and saw the five million threads from 12 year olds saying "Wouldn't it be cool if you could put silencers on snipers/more than one attachment on a gun/dual weild?" and thought, 'well that's what the fans clearly want!'
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:33 No.47657121
    >>47656842
    IW isn't very good at making classes. Because most guns can output the same damage, it all depends on recoil after that. It's like trying to use the MP5K There is no point in using some weapons at all.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:33 No.47657133
    >>47656670
    My thoughts exactly, bro. I just want to talk to them to see what they were thinking with half of the shit in this game.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:33 No.47657147
    >I get killed in the most ridiculous ways, especially when I clearly run into cover before getting shot yet the killcam shows I was out in the open.
    This is due to no dedicated servers.
    >> Sketchy Cartoonish !qM5u3XvSls 01/24/10(Sun)17:34 No.47657192
    >>47657116

    Thank god Valve doesn't really listen to the Steam forums.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:34 No.47657204
    this is what i think about it:

    Battlefield: Bad Company 2 > *
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:34 No.47657221
    he killed you before you got behind cover, he would have done so regardless of your connection speed
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:34 No.47657223
    >>47657022

    I noticed this today, its atrocious
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:34 No.47657228
    >>47656425
    To be fair, the Deagle has a hell of a kick ingame. You aren't going to hit shit unless you wait for your view to recenter after a shot. I believe it has the most recoil out of any gun in the game.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:35 No.47657279
    >>47657221
    Doesn't mean it's not frustrating as fuck.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:35 No.47657325
    >>47657228
    >I believe it has the most recoil out of any gun in the game.
    No, that's the F2000 with a RDS. That gun is only useable with a silencer on.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:36 No.47657342
    >>47657221
    You've never played MW2, or you always host.

    We're talking about getting behind cover so far that you're about to run past it, then you die. Not he shot me 3 times then got me on the heel of the my foot. That I can understand.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:37 No.47657431
    >>47657342
    No you're misunderstanding it.
    You were out of cover for the same amount of time on both screens. It's just the time for your box to receive the "you're dead" command didn't have simultaneously.
    >> Sketchy Cartoonish !qM5u3XvSls 01/24/10(Sun)17:38 No.47657484
    >>47657228

    >use modded desert eagle
    >aim below someone
    >BLAMLAMLAMLAMLAMLAM
    >recoil sends the aim up
    >all shots hit the target

    FUCK. YOU. MODDERS.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:38 No.47657507
    playing MW2 and being the host is like cheating because of the bad routing, and packet loss
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:38 No.47657569
    this is the first game that made me mad and rage lol
    cod is based on luck and not skill like playing hide and seek

    that from a quake/ut veteran
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:39 No.47657578
    >>47657431
    No that's exactly what he was complaining about. Host shoots you dead on his screen while you're out of cover, yet to your perspective you're safe and hiding then poof dead. That's bullshit and shouldn't happen.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:40 No.47657683
    >>47657578
    herp derp wuts speed of light
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:40 No.47657708
    >>47657578
    Yeah, exactly.
    I think we're all misunderstood here.
    You're not shot through walls. You die when you're in the open but the death takes time to register.
    Frustrating as balls.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:40 No.47657718
    Getting owned by akimbo 1887s isn't bad once in a while. But fucking idiots who use marathon, lightweight, commando/steadyaim and run around shooting people, now that's just fucking retarded.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:40 No.47657744
    >>47656173

    you are dumb as shit goddamn
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:41 No.47657792
    >>47657683
    299 792 458 m / s

    What does that have to do with the conversation at hand?
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:41 No.47657822
    >>47657569
    I bet MW was your first competitive FPS, you later found /v/ and they told you how great those games are. Now you claim to be a vet. Fuck you.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:42 No.47657887
    >>47657822
    >MW
    >Competitive fps
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:42 No.47657911
    >Play previous games MW and W@W
    >Little to no connection difficulty
    >Play MW2
    >What the fuck happened?
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:42 No.47657913
    >>47657792
    >That's bullshit and shouldn't happen
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:42 No.47657915
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    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:43 No.47657998
    I wish you could Dual Wield AA-12's.

    Also, I wish they had ammo upgrades, so you could use 30 round drums.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:44 No.47658008
    >>47657569
    quake player here too, and i agree with you. Playing mw2 is like playing poker 50% skill 50% luck
    >> Sketchy Cartoonish !qM5u3XvSls 01/24/10(Sun)17:44 No.47658010
    >>47657718

    I tried the Marahon/Lightweight/Commando Pro Tactical Knife combo once after getting killed a bajillion times by a guy using it.

    K/D: 47/3.

    God dammit, MW2.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:45 No.47658109
    >>47657887
    I didn't say it was particularly stiff competition, did I?
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:45 No.47658125
    >>47658010
    Yeah, I always use that on maps I dislike, just to troll.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:46 No.47658177
    >>47658010
    Depends on the team you're playing. If they're not a bunch of tards, they'll hear your foot steps a mile away and turn and shoot your ass before you can get close.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:46 No.47658194
    pretty bad game.

    >lvl1 joins match on other team
    >kill him
    >turn corner, he spawns, kill him again
    >he runs outside and gets killed by my sentry
    >spawns again and gets killed by team mate predator missle
    >lvl1 guy exits match

    actually felt sorry for him.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:47 No.47658255
    >>47657915
    Anyone care to tell me why the Magnum instead of the USP? Just for the added damage?
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:47 No.47658313
    FAL with Holosight and Stopping Power = godly
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:47 No.47658314
    >>47658010
    protip: use smoke grenades from carepackages to run like a kenyan
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:47 No.47658315
    >>47658255

    Because it is manly.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:48 No.47658366
    >>47658194
    Yeah I hate that, I used to even apologize if I killed someone, then spawn killed them. I stopped doing that because I'd have to stop playing to apologize way too many times with this shitty spawn system.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:49 No.47658418
    You know what also fucking sucks? The spawns.
    Nothing is more enraging then seeing the guy you just killed spawn on killcam and get payback.
    What the fuck? I've even seen them spawn right behind me.
    Then there's the habit of spawning everyone in the same fucking closet which is a big fucking problem on objective maps like Domination. Get control of 2 points. Camp the third. The entire team will spawn in the same place until they randomly spawn at one of the enemy control points.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:50 No.47658499
    >>47658313
    Protip: Stopping Power has no effect on the FAL.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:50 No.47658552
    >Dual magnums
    >last stand
    >Feel badass every time you go down
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:50 No.47658556
    >>47658499
    i demand an explanation sir
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:50 No.47658577
    >>47658499

    Protip: Holosight adds extra damage to the FAL
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:50 No.47658589
    >>47658418
    It's even worse when that happens and someone has a chopper gunner. Lol 20+ free kills? Sure, take them.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:52 No.47658730
    >>47658313
    >Fal
    I wanted to like this weapon but I didn't see a point. FAMAS and M16 kill in one burst which every bullet is all but guaranteed to land on the target, Fal requires two shots.
    >> Sketchy Cartoonish !qM5u3XvSls 01/24/10(Sun)17:52 No.47658734
    >>47658552

    Did that all the time. Had a Marcenary Class.

    M16 + Shotgun
    Akimbo Maggies
    Marathon
    Stopping Power
    Last Stand

    HELL TO THE YEAH
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:52 No.47658739
    >>47658577
    fuck I love the FAL.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:52 No.47658769
    >>47658499
    Protip: FAL with Holo increases range, so that it does 40 damage across the entire map. SP increases that to 56 (aka, two-hit-kills at any range)
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:54 No.47658927
    >>47658589
    Wouldn't be half a problem is a majority of the people who played the game was slack jawed retarded.

    I have had people run into my Claymores, in the same place, three+ times.

    It's like they can't comprehend the concept of "Maybe I should go a different way".

    Not to mention running out in the the open when there's a harrier/pavelow/what-have-you in use.

    Jesus. It's frustrating to play TDM only to see at the end of the game that you lost that one member of your 6 man team died 25+ times, giving the enemy a third of the win.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:55 No.47658976
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QO9vmhk9DPU
    lolknifecarepackagelol
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:57 No.47659234
    >>47658976
    >linkin park
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)18:00 No.47659410
    >>47658927
    Knifing a dude in the back three times in a row when he tries to repeatedly run the same route is fun stuff, though.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)18:00 No.47659419
    >>47658194

    Mw2 should really have a beginner lobby/playlist thing it can be pretty frustrating for people who just started Mw2 when they are always getting into matches with lvl 70s and people who are in their 3rd prestige. I try to steer clear of the lower level people just because I would feel a bit bad for making them rage quit and never playing a game again.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)18:01 No.47659495
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    >>47658976

    >people running out in the the open when a chopper gunner is in the air
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)18:03 No.47659658
    What's the best shotgun to combo with assault rifles?

    I haven't used shotguns before so I don't even know.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)18:03 No.47659706
    >>47659419
    Sort of like a noob-friendly server? Those would be a great idea.

    Oh wait.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)18:04 No.47659747
    >>47659419
    With this game you would be doing them a favor.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)18:04 No.47659749
    >>47659658

    Why, akimbo 1887's of course.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)18:04 No.47659764
    >>47659706

    >implying skilled people didn't go into noob only servers all the time
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)18:05 No.47659813
    >>47658976

    >polish piece-of-shit connection
    >obviously host
    >using carepackage + knife runner gear
    >bad enemy team

    YEP SOUNDS ABOUT RIGHT
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)18:05 No.47659822
    >>47659658

    SPAS, it is god tier.

    1887s are already nerfed on PC and will nerfed soon on consoles so don't bother getting used to them.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)18:06 No.47659941
    Nothing is more retarded in this game than COMMANDO.

    Who thought that the energy swords in Halo were a good fucking idea? Who thought HEY SHIT LETS ADD THAT INTO MW2.

    If you can't get kills with a gun, just strap on marathon and commando and you'll go 3:1 at least.

    I've had faggots dash-knife me right through my spas-12 shot. I heard the shot connect, they live, I die.


    Other than that... well, everyone camps because KILLSTREAKS RULE THE GAME.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)18:08 No.47660089
    >>47659764
    There would be a small grace period, like you'd only be able to enter it between lvl 1-24, and once you hit 25, the playlist disappears. It's not meant to replace the normal playlists, but to give new players a chance to learn the game and maybe earn a few more weapons/attachments for their classes.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)18:10 No.47660248
    >Other than that... well, everyone camps because KILLSTREAKS RULE THE GAME.

    Use cold blooded and ninja pro enjoy free kills.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)18:11 No.47660275
    >>47659658
    AA-12 if you have Scavenger on. Fucker can clear a room if you have Extended Mags on.
    Stryker is a little more accurate, same damage, slower ROF and longer reload.
    SPAS-12 is a beat if you don't mind the pump action. But if you have an assault rifle, you really don't need to worry at the medium-close range where the SPAS excels.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)18:11 No.47660284
    >>47659658
    SPAS-12 has the highest damage and longest range (barring shotgun attachment and 1887). It's pump action though, so it has a higher learning curve than, say the AA-12 or Striker.

    If you aren't really using attachments, I would suggest the Masterkey underbarrel and having a launcher on secondary.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)18:12 No.47660390
    >>47659822
    1887 been nerfed on the consoles for a while.
    The PS3 was actually the first get the patch.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)18:13 No.47660470
    What we really need is a Vanilla mode. No perks, no killstreaks, max party size of 3 or so, so you don't get a communicative clan vs. a bunch of ragtags with no mics. Just you and your gun, and a couple bros. I'd play that shit nonstop.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)18:13 No.47660488
    I use Akimbo USP's and have no problem killing the shit out of Akimbo 1887 users.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)18:14 No.47660588
    >>47660390

    There is a second patch fixing them when you have bling.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)18:14 No.47660615
    >>47660390

    If you put FMJ on the Akimbo 1887s they go back to the pre-patch version.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)18:18 No.47660913
    >>47660615
    Wrong. They're fixing that shit in the upcoming patch.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)18:22 No.47661240
    >>47660913

    >saying a fact is wrong
    >believing that something altering the fact in the future makes it wrong
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)18:23 No.47661242
    >>47660913

    Exactly in a "upcoming" but they aren't patched yet he said the 1887s have already been patched on consoles.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)18:25 No.47661446
    >>47661242

    They were patched once in an attempt to fix them but it failed horribly.

    Second patch is already on PC and they are fine, coming "soon" to a console near you.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)18:27 No.47661595
    >>47660470
    I agree. Also if they want to use all these fancy cheap ass killstreaks they need to make the maps fucking bigger. Also give us an option to either choose whether we want to spawn on top of a teammate or if we'd rather have a enemy free location to spawn in. Spawning into a headshot, while funny the first time it happened, gets old pretty quick.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)18:32 No.47661963
    >>47661595
    They should take a page from other shooters when it comes to spawns.
    Battlefield does it right. You either spawn with your squad or miles from combat.
    Hell, even Halo 3 does it better. The systems divvies up the map into spawn zones. Each team is assigned their respective zones. Each zone is ranked according to a number of factors. Teammates are +1 points. Enemies are -1. Dead teammates are -2. Shit works much better than the lolidunno spawns of MW.
    >> Sketchy Cartoonish !qM5u3XvSls 01/24/10(Sun)18:33 No.47662041
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    >>47661595

    Here's my idea for a spawning system. When you die and view the killcam, a map of the, well, map comes up. A crosshair like the one to determine airstrikes appears. Mark the area where you want to respawn. The area where you just died and the general "side" of the map the enemy is on is blacked out and you cannot spawn there.
    >> Sketchy Cartoonish !qM5u3XvSls 01/24/10(Sun)18:34 No.47662106
    >>47662041

    Oh yeah, and you cannot spawn in buildings. Otherwise you'd probably end up on the roof or some sort of glitchy nonsense.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)18:36 No.47662262
    >>47661963
    I don't think they can do it like the BF games since their maps are set to a scale akin to Halo. The Battlefield maps are quite huge in comparison to MW2, even when stacked side by side to Wasteland which I think is their largest map? Don't quote me.

    >>47662041
    Sounds pretty good, but would it show enemy locations if they had cold blooded or other anti-radar perks? Seems like it would ruin it for the people who like to sneak behind enemy lines as a ninja.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)18:37 No.47662379
    >>47662041
    That should be automatic. If you can choose your spawns, you get some unbalanced shit like knowing where the enemy is.

    Do it the Halo way. Have the map split up into zones ranked according to the situation within the zone.
    >> Sketchy Cartoonish !qM5u3XvSls 01/24/10(Sun)18:38 No.47662412
    >>47662262

    Oh yeah, you're right. Maybe it wouldn't show the enemy as actual dots, just black out their general location. Because some guy who died could just keep the map up and provide constant vocal UAV.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)18:38 No.47662447
    >>47662412
    Even blacked out areas still show where they are.
    >> Sketchy Cartoonish !qM5u3XvSls 01/24/10(Sun)18:40 No.47662564
    >>47662447

    Well, you think of something.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)18:40 No.47662569
    SUPER: MODERN WARFARE

    FADE IN: DIRECTED BY MICHAEL BAY

    WIDE SHOT: BATTALION MOVING TO POSITION. EXPLOSIONS IN THE BACKGROUND

    ECU: RAMIREZ. OVERLAY FLASHBACK PLAYS. CAR DRIVES UP TO SUNSET. RAMIREZ KISSES GIRLFRIEND ON TOP OF CAR.

    CAPTAIN HARRIS
    "BATTALION IS OSCAR MIKE OSCAR MIKE"

    EXPLOSION CHASES HARRIS DOWN A CORRIDOR LEADING TO A WIDE OPEN SPACE IN VIRGINIA. MUSIC: WHEN YOU WERE YOUNG - THE KILLERS PLANES FLY EVERYWHERE, CAN'T TELL IF ENEMY OR NOT. BATTALION FIRES ON ENEMY POSITIONS.

    CAPTAIN HARRIS
    "TANGO DOWN TANGO DOWN RAMIREZ COVER THE ZULU FOXTROT"

    TRACKING SHOT: RAMIREZ ESCAPES SEVERAL BULLETS AND NEARLY DODGES AN EXPLODING CAR. HE TOSSES A NADE INTO AN ENEMY TRENCH DUG IN FRONT OF BURGER TIME BY THE RUSSIANS.

    CAPTAIN HARRIS
    "GOOD WORK FOXTROT CHARLIE BROWN RAMIREZ"

    ECU: SUDDENLY THE GRENADE IS TOSSED BACK OUT IN THE MIDDLE OF HARRIS' BATTALION. SLOW MOTION FOR 5 MINUTES.

    RAMIREZ
    "NOOOOOO"

    RAMIREZ JUMPS ON TOP OF FRAG GRENADE. EXPLODES. DIES.

    PRIVATE JACKSON
    "MAN DOWN MAN DOWN HE'S OSCAR MIKE TO A COFFIN"

    CAPTAIN HARRIS
    "COME ON, WE HAVE TO OSCAR MIKE TANGO CASH TO POSITION ZULU GOD MOTHER GOGOOGOG"

    PRIVATE JACKSON
    "NO"

    CAPTAIN HARRIS
    "WHAT"

    PRIVATE JACKSON
    "WAR IS HELL RAMIREZ WAS A GOOD MAN NOW HE'S GOING TO STAY FROSTY FOREVER IN BRAVO CHARLIE. WHY ARE WE FIGHTING THIS WAR A GOOD STRATEGIST WOULD BE ABLE TO AVOID WAR ALTOGETHER"

    CAPTAIN HARRIS
    "DAMNIT THIS IS NOT THE TIME PRIVATE BUT YOU'RE RIGHT"

    THE TWO ENGAGE IN A DEBATE IN SOTTO VOCE WHILE GUNFIRE AVOIDS THEM IN THE BACKGROUND.

    CAPTAIN HARRIS
    "SON"

    PRIVATE JACKSON
    "WHAT"

    CAPTAIN HARRIS
    "YOU'RE A BETTER MAN THAN I"
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)18:41 No.47662642
    >>47662564
    I just did you raging faggot.
    Create zones of favorable spawns based on shit in each zone.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)18:41 No.47662701
    >>47662262
    This got me thinking. The whole problem with MW2 is that it's a deathmatch game trying to be a tactical fps.. or is it a tactical fps trying to be a deathmatch game?
    >> Sketchy Cartoonish !qM5u3XvSls 01/24/10(Sun)18:43 No.47662809
    >>47662642

    You didn't MAKE one, you suggested that is used the one from Halo.

    Although I do understand your point.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)18:43 No.47662854
    >>47662701

    It's an arcade shooter. Nothing else.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)18:44 No.47662952
    >>47662854

    The only problem with that is Arcade shooters are good
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)18:45 No.47663077
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    >> Anomalous 01/24/10(Sun)18:49 No.47663426
    most annoying thing in this is that, ACR will shoot 2 bullets into someones gut and then you'll die. you cant win 1 on 1s with it.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)18:49 No.47663432
    >>47657718

    Sorry bro, that's all me. I run like a bat outta hell to cover and pop out to pick whoever is nearest. I'm not exactly that good...
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)18:50 No.47663499
    >>47662041

    They did that with Section 8. I don't think the game did very well in sales though. I was interested in it for a couple weeks, then sort of didn't end up getting it.

    You get airdropped into the battlefield on spawn, and you can squad spawn in one place as well. The speed at which you hit the ground affects your shields and your ability to function for a couple seconds. If you deploy brakes early though, you're a lofting target. Pretty interesting mechanic to be honest.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)18:52 No.47663637
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    >>47659234

    >implying that's Linkin Park
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)18:52 No.47663665
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    >>47663426

    >ACR
    >2 shot
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)18:53 No.47663758
    >>47662569
    oh lawd
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)18:54 No.47663827
    >Remove Akimbos
    >Remove Nuke
    >Nerf knifing
    >Game much better
    inb4 "LOL GET KNIFED MUCH FAG", you shouldn't be able to stab a foot outside of a person's body and kill them, nor should you be able to barely slash somebody's shin and kill them.
    >> Lifer 01/24/10(Sun)18:55 No.47663927
    >>47662569
    fund it.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)18:57 No.47664070
    Problem: Assault rifles in this game are tremendously overpowered.
    Solution: Complain about shotguns
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)18:57 No.47664083
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    >>47662569

    It's beautiful
    >> Lifer 01/24/10(Sun)18:57 No.47664102
    >>47663499
    I liked Section 8.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)19:00 No.47664323
    So how many of you pirated it and how many of you bought it?
    >> Lifer 01/24/10(Sun)19:01 No.47664386
    The problem with Modern Warfare 2 is its lack of practicality.

    Also, TAKE YOUR KILLSTREAKS OFF AND SAY THAT TO ME, FUCKER
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)19:06 No.47664763
    >Buy the game for both Xbox 360 & Pc because of the hype
    >Get frustrated because of numerous bugs and exploits, shitty matchmaking system and lack of dedicated servers.

    God, i want to hunt down and kill the IW employees.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)19:06 No.47664777
    >>47663665
    http://denkirson.xanga.com/715966769/modern-warfare-2/
    Superior
    >> PosterParent !!JVEkaVAk0gQ 01/24/10(Sun)19:07 No.47664809
    One man army
    Danger Close
    Ninja

    Scar with grenade launcher

    I always have double kills or triple kills. Feels good man
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)19:09 No.47664954
    >>47664777

    That picture is stickied in their forums bro.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)19:12 No.47665197
    my only issue is with shitty hosts, I clearly knife someone, but eitehr it misses or i somehow get knifed first.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)19:13 No.47665223
    MW2 is a fun game, but there are somethings that irk me.

    They need to get rid of killstreaks. Sure it's fun when I get a chopper gunner, but it sucks being on the receiving end. Hell, one time I was using the chopper gunner and I hovered right above the enemy spawn point, just holding M1 and getting free kills. Felt bad man. This leads me to my next point...

    Fix spawning. I hate it when I kill someone and they spawn a few feet away and kill me by surprise. There's also times where I went on a 30 second killing spree, running around gunning and knifing 6 guys in a small area. 3 of the kills were on the same person. I even killed him right as he spawned once. He literally popped right infront of me, allowing me to knife him.

    They also need to get rid of fucking marathon and balance out some of the weapons. Feels stupid when you have people sprinting around with G18s.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)19:14 No.47665329
    >>47664809
    That's because you are a cheap, borderline cheating faggot.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)19:15 No.47665424
    lol why did you retards buy this game? there was plenty of warning all over the internet that this game would suck. Lurk moar newfags.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)19:15 No.47665426
    >>47665329

    u mad?
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)19:17 No.47665578
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    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)19:19 No.47665708
    >>47665223

    Cold blooded and Stinger cya Chopper Gunner.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)19:21 No.47665872
    >>47665708

    Not if you are getting spawn killed over and over.

    durrhurr.
    >> PosterParent !!JVEkaVAk0gQ 01/24/10(Sun)19:21 No.47665882
    >>47665329
    My other favourite class is:

    UMP45 FMJ
    Magnum with tactical knife
    Marathon
    Lightweight
    Commando
    Flash bang
    Throwing knife

    I'm fucking good with throwing knives, I run at two people, kill one with a throwing knife and stab the other one.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)19:21 No.47665899
    Used thermal sniper and always was on top of the server. Sorry babies, I prefer a challenge and don't use the thermal.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)19:22 No.47665963
    >>47665899

    M21 with col blooded and a silencer was here.

    All other snipers are babies.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)19:23 No.47666004
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    >>47665963

    Brofist.
    >> PosterParent !!JVEkaVAk0gQ 01/24/10(Sun)19:23 No.47666039
    >>47665708

    reminds me of that other class:

    UMP45 FMJ
    Stinger
    Scavenger Pro
    Danger Close
    Ninja
    Flash bang
    Claymore
    >> PosterParent !!JVEkaVAk0gQ 01/24/10(Sun)19:24 No.47666102
    >>47665899
    >Used thermal sniper and always was on top of the server. Sorry babies, I prefer a challenge and don't use the thermal.

    So you no-scope?
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)19:25 No.47666178
    When the FUCK are we getting new maps.
    >> Wittich !MOE.v8OInk 01/24/10(Sun)19:26 No.47666186
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    Killcam is rage worthy.

    I can have 50 ping, empty most of a magazine, then die, I watch the killcam and I didn't even fire.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)19:26 No.47666207
    >>47666004
    >>47665963
    enjoy your 2shot kill headshots
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)19:27 No.47666257
    This game is such a fucking joke, it's unreal.
    And this is coming from a try hard tourneyfag.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)19:27 No.47666262
    >>47666207

    2 shot kills anywhere.

    The M21 has insane fire rate and almost no recoil so it's easy as piss.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)19:27 No.47666267
    >>47666178
    As soon as they make them and put a price tag on 'em.
    >> PosterParent !!JVEkaVAk0gQ 01/24/10(Sun)19:28 No.47666368
    >>47666262
    Grenade launcher here, one shot one kill, from any distance, as long as you know how to ride the cuuuuuuuurve baby!
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)19:29 No.47666420
    >>47664809
    My class for being an explosive nuisance is FAL m203 and RPG-7 with scavenger, danger close, and scrambler. Equipment is claymore and flash-bangs.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)19:30 No.47666475
    >>47665963
    >>47666004
    how exactly can you use an M21 with coldblooded? Do you always need to shoot people twice so they can die?
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)19:30 No.47666488
    >>47666178
    Looking forward to paying Activision for maps imported from the campaign with minor revisions?
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)19:31 No.47666571
    >>47665963
    >>47666004
    The only manly sniper is the Intervention, and you know it.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)19:32 No.47666638
    >>47666571

    Sure if you are a faggot.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)19:32 No.47666645
    >>47666571
    fucking this. WA2000 and M21 shouldn't even be fucking snipers.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)19:33 No.47666680
    >>47666571
    Fuck yeah, love the Intervention
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)19:34 No.47666783
    >>47665872

    It is easy to get out of a spawn trap with cold blooded since just run in a different direction of your team mates 90% of the people who have chopper gunners will be to distracted by your glowing team mates and if you can't get out of the spawn trap the spawn system flips around so much.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)19:35 No.47666847
    >>47666680
    Just got fall camo for it the other day.
    feelsgoodman.jpg
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)19:36 No.47666916
    Pfft air support.
    I SHOOT YOUR FUCKING HELO DOWN BEFORE IT EVEN STOPS FUCKING MOVING.
    ENEMY AC1-AC130 SHOT DOWN.

    FUCK YOUR SHIT NIGGER
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)19:36 No.47666931
    >>47663665
    >>47658769
    what is the multiplier bonus added by stopping power?
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)19:37 No.47666997
    >>47666931

    40% more damage.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)19:37 No.47667010
    >>47666931
    1.4
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)19:38 No.47667077
    >>47666571

    Enjoy lighting up like a candle on the radar.

    I will remain mobile and invisible on everything.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)19:38 No.47667091
    >>47667010
    >>47666997
    so the masterkey is the best weapon in the game.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)19:38 No.47667135
    >>47664763

    MW2 has more glitches than CoD 1, 2, 3, 4 and WaW (equal if you combine them).

    http://callofduty.wikia.com/wiki/Glitch
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)19:38 No.47667152
    >>47667091

    Not really. Look at the damage dropoff.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)19:40 No.47667239
    >>47667077
    1. I use Cold Blooded and I can still get one-hit kills, because my gun isn't for faggots.
    2. Hardcore mode, because I am not a faggot.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)19:40 No.47667248
    >>47666916
    ac-130 is ready to fire the moment you open up the control thing, so unless the guy is retarded he can make at least 5+ kills before you can shoot it down.

    The other air support is shit though
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)19:41 No.47667375
    >>47666931
    1.4x
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)19:43 No.47667473
    LOL COMMANDO

    TELEPORT TEN FEET FORWARD WHILE STATIONARY

    MODERN WARFARE INDEED
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)19:43 No.47667519
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    >>47667239

    >Hardcore mode, because I am not a faggot.
    >hardcore mode
    >not for faggots
    >implying the M21 doesn't 1 hit in hardcore
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)19:44 No.47667576
    >>47667248

    Chopper Gunner has a better fire rate, can shoot threw walls and is overall more powerful. Learn your shit.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)19:45 No.47667610
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    >>47667239

    >plays hardcore
    >doesn't realize that the M21 is by far the best sniper for hardcore mode
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)19:46 No.47667684
    >>47667473

    Actually, it's only 6.

    WHICH IS STILL A FUCKING LOT.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)19:46 No.47667730
    >>47658976

    >>47658976
    >>47658976
    >>47658976
    >>47658976
    >>47658976
    >>47658976


    Comments;


    "kurtanwill1 (3 days ago) Show Hide
    ifu have xbox live i willownu in aknife battle"

    12 year old. http://www.youtube.com/user/kurtanwill1
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)19:48 No.47667861
    The most bullshit in this game is commando. During the lunge they are completely invulnerable.

    There's no way you can defend invincibility frames in a FPS game.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)19:49 No.47667884
    that's just latency for ya, it will be another 40 years till the japs decides to show us their secrets in internet lazers that go 1 terabyte
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)19:49 No.47667914
    COD4 was so much better online.

    That whole game was the fucking boss. Then they went and splurged MW2 out and removed dedicated servers to cater to the mobs of console kiddy fans they picked up with MW.

    I mean, how fucking hard is it to give the PC dedicated servers?
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)19:49 No.47667920
    >>47667248
    I finally played with someone today who also thought shooting down ac 130's is cool


    the number of people who just get raped instead of trying to shoot something down amazes me.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)19:49 No.47667927
    >>47667861

    They aren't I kill people mid lunge all the time.

    >TF2 medic uber
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)19:51 No.47668070
    >>47667920
    I cannot play without a launcher strapped to my back. Im not going to stand around waiting to die so i can swap classes and reward those asshats in aircraft.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)19:52 No.47668146
    >>47667914
    Bullshit, martydom fucked cod4 up.

    >>47667861
    Dude, I've been killed mid lunge plenty of times.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)19:53 No.47668228
    >Camping Duty: Akimbo Models 2

    I'm sure it's Call of Carepackage: 1887 Warfare.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)19:53 No.47668241
    >>47667920
    >implying it's possible to shoot down ac 130's
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)19:56 No.47668461
    >>47668241
    >implying it's not possible to shoot down ac 130s
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)19:56 No.47668465
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    COULD SOMEONE EXPLAIN THIS HACK NAME TO ME!?

    FOR THE LOVE OF FUCK PLEASE EXPLAIN!
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)19:56 No.47668505
    >>47668241

    it is. fucking hard though
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)19:58 No.47668592
    >>47668465

    I have no idea but I have seen it more often lately lots of people with names like "Press B to fail".
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)19:58 No.47668626
    Marathon pro
    Commando pro
    Stopping power pro

    Akimbo Raffika

    Favela/skidrow

    Trollface.jpg
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)19:59 No.47668701
    >>47668241
    >>47668461
    >implying implication implicates implication
    >> PosterParent !!JVEkaVAk0gQ 01/24/10(Sun)19:59 No.47668749
    >>47668241
    It is, takes about three launches though
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)20:00 No.47668819
    >>47668592
    looks awesome, I would like to have some other names lol
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)20:01 No.47668904
    >>47668465
    Put ^# in front of anything to add a color, but replace # with a number of your choice, and it changes the color depending on that number. You can, of course, make different colors in names too, instead of one big single-colored name.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)20:03 No.47668984
    >>47668749
    It has three flares and a few hundred hp i think, but you can only hit it with lock-on launchers.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)20:03 No.47669017
    >>47667730
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FG4Dx6oBivg&feature=channel
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)20:04 No.47669094
    >>47667861
    In COD4 there were invulnerability frames in last stand?Are they still there in MW2?
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)20:05 No.47669110
    >>47667239
    >Hardcore

    Hardcore is shit and the people that think it's good are shit.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)20:05 No.47669144
    Call of Duty: I SAW YOU FIRST POW POW POW I WIN
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)20:06 No.47669178
    >>47669110
    Softcore is shit and the people that think it's good are shit.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)20:06 No.47669213
    >>47669110
    >I needs my full health to get the full benefit of a rechargeable health system. AKA I'm terrible at the game.

    Actually I bet you're someone who knifes only and can't hack doing it in hardcore.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)20:06 No.47669258
    >>47669110
    Ah, Hardcore. For the people that suck at playing normally, so they need to be able to shoot somebody in the toe with any gun once or twice for their kills.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)20:08 No.47669355
    >>47668984
    It has two flares, and if you have sleight of hand or are on the right side of the map, you can get two stingers off before it drops the second flare.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)20:08 No.47669419
    FAMAS + holo sight + Stopping Power +blast shield here. I eat all of you for breakfast. I am the godlike class.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)20:09 No.47669432
    >>47669355

    The sleight of hand doesn't work. I tried it.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)20:10 No.47669521
    >>47668904
    but, but, but... it's xbox brah

    where do I put it? clan tag?
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)20:10 No.47669527
    >>47669258
    That's why you shoot them first.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)20:14 No.47669832
    >>47658976
    I do this shit all the time on Domination Ground War Favela around point B without the care package marker. All I even need is just an AC-130. I usually save a stealth bomber for the sheer lulz.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)20:14 No.47669873
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    I'm looking for a new game to play online. I liked CoD4. Is Modern Warfare 2 more imbalanced than the first? I keep hearing people bitching about random deaths and the killstreaks and other shit. Is it worth the money or should I just wait for BC2. It looks promising but it's a month away.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)20:15 No.47669913
    >>47669521
    Oh, not sure, then. Google it.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)20:15 No.47669920
    >>47669213
    Hardcore is fucking garbage. You can drop a dude by shooting him in the fucking foot with a silenced pistol from across the fucking map. People are ALWAYS camping and listening for footsteps, the only red perk you will EVER see is Cold Blooded, same deal with silencers in terms of attachments. The fact that you drop a guy in one hit means all you really need to do is spray in the general direction of what you're aiming at since if you somuch as graze him you'll get the kill. Hardcore is like instagib but slowed down and casualized for babies. 90% of the time the games end by time out since everyone is camping, anyway.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)20:16 No.47670035
    >>47669258
    Or maybe you suck so you need 3 times more health so you can get hit and hide to regen? Or be able to recieve 3 bullets while killing someone with knife or tubenade?Faggot
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)20:17 No.47670132
    >>47669873

    Not once you become a pro troll.

    Here I'll teach you the ways of Troll-Fu, padawan:

    Riot Shield
    Desert Eagle (or any pistol) w/ Tacticool Knife
    Blast Shield
    Stun Grenades

    Marathon Pro
    Lightweight Pro
    Commando Pro


    Now go out and prosper.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)20:18 No.47670221
    >>47669920
    You kill easily but you also die easily. So someone can be doing all the things you said too. It's just a matter of preference.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)20:22 No.47670474
    >>47669873
    I'd wait for BC2.

    MW2 is crap because there was no fucking beta.

    WaW had a beta. The only thing Treyarch fucked up on was the overpowered SMGs. But there was still ways to destroy them.

    Then you have camp warfare... I can't explain how many times I get mad at this crap but yet still play it...



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