"Oblivion and Fallout fanatics are exponentially more annoying than any Final Fantasy fanatic."

"Hey foreigners: we find your first-person shooters boring as **** What do you say to that?"

"When I see all the 'sniping' and corpse-desecrating 'teabagging' going on in US games, the thought of what what foreigners do when they get mad [in real life] freaks me out."

"Japanese RPGs are created for the express purpose of letting one experience the blooming of their full powers from a total zero starting point. They're necessary for keeping public order in Japan."

"Okay, so give us some foreign RPGs that are more interesting than Japanese ones. I just don't find foreign RPGs interesting at all."

"Oblivion's okay, but foreign games lack subtlety. They lack detail, and the character design and stories are bad."

"Americans can't understand complexity so a lot of the best stuff doesn't get translated. Like Megami Tensei"

"I call 'cultural differences'!"

"Show me an American-made RPG that satisfactorily addresses all of these complaints."

"Do foreign companies even make RPGs anymore? The only games that come to mind are first-person shooter action games. If we followed this 'advice' to the letter they'd have us making Grand Theft Auto clones."

GORORIOUS NIPPON

99% certain this is bullshit

Even though JRPGs are all shallow action-adventure trash for teenagers who like spiky hair and big swords, the last comment really hit home. The WRPG has been dead since about 2003.

1: No
2: Yeah
3: Maybe
4: OH GOD WAT
5: Not sure about this one, is it talking about variation in setting and story?
6: Haha no.
7: Kinda.
8: Not really
9: Fair enough
10: HURUPU DERUPU NIPPON IS BESTO desssu~

>"Show me an American-made RPG that satisfactorily addresses all of these complaints."

Is there even an RPG out there that addresses all of those complaints?

http://altjapan.typepad.com/my_weblog/2010/01/jrpgs.html

>>47113180

I agree with all of those comments. Also, it's quite amusing how much better their grammar is compared to the American filth that posts on this site.

THEY ARE DIFFERENT GENRES.

ONLY SHARE A FUCKING NAME.

NOTHING ELSE.

THAT'S LIKE TURNING THE FPS GENRE INTO RTS GAMES.

FUCKING MORONS

We know.

>"Japanese RPGs are created for the express purpose of letting one experience the blooming of their full powers from a total zero starting point. They're necessary for keeping public order in Japan."

huuuh

also, give the link to the ign article, I'm curious myself

>"Oblivion's okay, but foreign games lack subtlety. They lack detail, and the character design and stories are bad."

Says nothing about gameplay. Oblivion may have shit characters and a shit story, but it has better gameplay than every JRPG ever made put together.

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/106/1060011p1.html

>>47113375
It's translated, you retard.

>"Japanese RPGs are created for the express purpose of letting one experience the blooming of their full powers from a total zero starting point. They're necessary for keeping public order in Japan."

I fucking lol'd

>my face when gooks get asspained over trufax about their boring genre

They sound pretty asspained.

>Americans don't understand complexity

Really? Get a good look at the way our government works. Wheres the complexity in JRPG's?

Seriously, where?

http://kotaku.com/5450647/japans-2ch-replies-to-rpg-complaints

>giving a shit about 2ch

nice going weeaboo

>>47113453
>xbox360

SUDDENLY IT ALL MAKES SENSE

MY COUNTRY IS BETTER THAN YOUR COUNTRY!!!!!!111

>>47113375
It's translated you weeaboo chucklefuck

GRORIOUS NIPPON

>They're necessary for keeping public order in Japan.

>"Show me an American-made RPG that satisfactorily addresses all of these complaints."
Touchè

The rest is generic NIPPON BANZAI bullshit.

>Do foreign companies even make RPGs anymore? The only games that come to mind are first-person shooter action games. If we followed this 'advice' to the letter they'd have us making Grand Theft Auto clones.
>character design and stories are bad.
>we find your first-person shooters boring as ****
>Americans can't understand complexity

Well, some got it right

>"Oblivion's okay, but foreign games lack subtlety. They lack detail, and the character design and stories are bad."
>They lack detail, and the character design and stories are bad

Not enough belts and young men saving the world for glorious Nippon.

>>47113448
>They lack detail, and the character design and stories are bad

lol, that's great, especially coming from a culture whose last original profound artwork was made several hundred years ago. What do you call an anime with a story that doesn't make you cringe? Non-existent.

lol JRPGS.

They're not even real games.

>>47113650

>Implying JRPGs based on estrogen filled highschoolers killing Satan/Hitler/Stalin/Uwe Boll is any less complex.

Oh shit look at all that asspain.

Surely we wouldn't act like this if Japan made a TEN WAISU TO FIKASU GAIJIN RPG article would we?

>>47113672

They are the ones who play the shit out of it and made shit tons of mods.

What about you?? when is the last time you touch your fallout 3?

Hmm.

Sounds like they're mad because they know the article is true.

Well, instead of addressing that, they get defensive and address issues that have nothing to do with the article.

Good to know we're not so different after all.

>>47113375

10/10, you fucking idiot.

boy it sure is great not caring what some fucking chink thinks is fun

>>47113528
True but you know how 4chan gets about publicly displaying stupidity.

We not only point out their mistake but make fun of them in the process.
It also helps if they feel they've been intelligently insulted by people who act like 8 year olds on a daily basis.

>They're necessary for keeping public order in Japan.

WITHOUT JRPGS THERE WOULD BE RIOTS ON THE STREET EVERY DAY IN JAPAN

Why do people assume 2ch is smart? It's just 4chan neckbeards but Japanese

>>47113771

I put 250 hours in after it came out and was finished with it.

>>47113180
>"I call 'cultural differences'!"
the only thing that made sense in all of it.

>"Hey foreigners: we find your first-person shooters boring as **** What do you say to that?"
That's okay, we find them boring as fuck too.

>>47113787
weeaboo

>>47113375

>>47113840
No that's 2chan. Which is not the same site as 2ch.

>>47113771

So you're Japanese then?

ITT teenagers trying to prove they grew out of anime

lol Oblivion.

Baldur's Gate, chinkfaces.

>>47113868

>Boring as ****

Around here, we can say FUCK wherever we want.

From which, I conclude: FUCK YO!U!

ITT: People who care what moonspeakers think

I don't know which is worse
>Your hometown has been destroyed, now go and investigate murdiring thousands and gaining god-like powers in the process.
or
>YOU ARE THE CHOOSEN ONE, now go and perform thos feat of epic propotions because you're the only one that can !... though the world will go on as nothing even if you didn't.

>>47113499
>Implying Americans understand the government.
I'm sure there are some, but the vast majority of Americans don't have a fucking clue.

>>47113917
>implying I have watched an anime or played a JRPG

I despise japanese culture too much to do so.

>>47113136
>>47113180

But they didn't really address any of the problems IGN had in their article.

Cultural differences?

Care to tell, why Americas-Yurop and rest of the world make similiar vidya? JRPGs been stale and generic turnbased shit since time immemorial.

That article was biased bullshit (citing Fallout 3 as how games need to be fixed? LOL NO ) and if you honestly think it means enough to respond to it, IGN just trolled an excessively large number of people.

>apanese RPGs are created for the express purpose of letting one experience the blooming of their full powers from a total zero starting point. They're necessary for keeping public order in Japan.
>They're necessary for keeping public order in Japan.

>>47113987
You should join /jp/ then.

>"Okay, so give us some foreign RPGs that are more interesting than Japanese ones. I just don't find foreign RPGs interesting at all."

Here you go

>>47113180
>>47113136
Pots & Kettles

>>47113375
english is hard [comma] bro.

i wouldnt be surprised if this list was serious. people have different tastes. Thats why japan is so different.

>>47114016
>implying Fallout III isn't the best RPG of the past 6-7 years

>>47113917

Not a day goes by that I am not thankful that I was not born some short, weak, slanty eyed yellow bastard. I could give a shit what their cartoons are like (garbage for pedophiles).

WRPG fans are like Dawn of War fans, any mention of competing RPGs and they go on the attack. I don't get why it happens, but I see it a lot, there'll be a thread about some JRPG, or a little thread about StarCraft, and they just flood in, throwing out their unwanted opinions.

>>47113881
You're getting warmer but still not quite there.
I told you to look at what site you are browsing.
Most of the boards here are about Japanese culture, (or perhaps lack there of).

Make sense now?

Gentlemen, all role-playing games are terrible. Business Strategy is where it's at.

>>47113987

You must be proud, tell your dad about it

>>47114003
They make it because its what they like.

Same for everyone. Based on research by sales.

Why is this hard to understand.

>>47113881

>>47114127
In the same way MW2 is the best FPS in the same time period?

Doesn't make them good brah.

>They're necessary for keeping public order in Japan.

>>47113981
I'm just saying it's a lot more complex than all JRPGs combined. And it took Americans to make it that way.

>>47114157
No, but I can feel smugly superior to people like you who haven't yet figured out that japanese culture is sterile, shallow and kitschy with no worthwhile content in either cartoons or games.

Who the fuck gives a shit which ones are better, just play the fucking games and shut the fuck up, geez. I'm raging like a buffalo now.

>NECKBREADS

>>47114057
Can i add Planescape Torment and Baulders Gate 2 to that thread? yes they are DND based but that is simply the delivery system, the storyline is complex enough for them and the gameplay would be challenging enough.

>Japan's 2ch

cool so comments from an imageboard are now news?

Sure is asspained Amerikkkunt in here. Face is, your shitty "culture" can't hold a candle to Japan in any category.

Games - Japan
Animation - Japan
Cinema - Japan
Food - Japan
Women - Japan
Culture - Japan

>>47114306

>Do foreign companies even make RPGs anymore? The only games that come to mind are first-person shooter action games

This is pure truth

>>47114306
Welcome to /v/, please enjoy your stay.

>>47113180
>"I call 'cultural differences'!"
Only good respond.

Because all of them could be sum up as

"Your rpg are shit too". Sound very asspain to me.

>>47114306
I'm tired of looking up RPGs to play and finding japanese characters or art in the description. Every game made in Japan should have the tag "action-adventure" because Japan is incapable of producing any other genre, period.

>>47114374
6.75/10

Agreed and Japan can't hold a candle towards Iranian Culture, well i think we're done here.

>>47114349
>2ch
>imageboard

>>47114374
>Women - Japan

Japanese women are whores

>>47114374

8/10, you'll get some people.

>>47114457

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

Fucking paint trolls.

Different cultures have different gaming tastes. They're called JRPG's for a reason.

If you don't like Japanese-style RPG's, then by all means, don't play them.

I would like to hear japan's opinion on western FF/KH fangirls. No seriously. I bet it's interesting.

there were probably more than a few replies that actually addressed their criticisms, good thing IGN did the right thing and clipped them out or else they wouldn't get half the clickthroughs.

>>47114374
shit son!

>If we followed this 'advice' to the letter they'd have us making Grand Theft Auto clones.

That made laugh

>>47114467
>cool so comments from a Japanese Forum are now news?

better?

>>47114256

DON'T BE HATING JUST BECUASE I DON'T GO AROUND HATING PEOPLE'S CULTURE BECAUSE OF SOME RETARDED BIAS REASONS.

NOT COOL DAWG. PEACE OUT

>>47114374
Cool opinion, weeaboo.

>>47114498

It doesn't give them the excuse to produce same exact shit, with same rehashes plots for years only improvement being graphics, if even that.

Only reason, I would play a JRPG is to get some sort of reward all of that "HERES YOUR WEAKNESS TO DEM BOSS MANS, OH GRIND MOAR" if theres tits to be had.

>>47114374

>Getting fucked up by bombs - Japan

OH LOL

>Americans can't understand complexity so a lot of the best stuff doesn't get translated. Like Megami Tensei"
>Americans can't understand complexity
Sounds about right. These japs know what's up.

>>47114349
comments from an imageboard > IGN

>>47114245
Ah this is a typical view on Japanese gaming. Its not complex enough.

You relate how complex a game is to how well its made or how "smart" it is. Even how difficult it is.

In Japan, it seems like they only care about how "fun" a game is, even if it is basic in principal, childlike or whatever.

Japan: The result should be good entertainment.
Elsewhere: Graphics, difficulty, "smart" gameplay, detail and choice are what is important.

That is the culture difference showing. You cant have fun where the main character has pink hair and the fighting is repetitive. They can.

Hey look guys we're retaliating against this stuff too, and we're a bunch of anonymous users too! We should also get a whole news report written about us just because we mix ourselfs in an internet hissyfit between manchilds

Mask of the Betrayer's story & cast are superior to any J-RPG's made within the past two decades.

>>47114551
Yes

>>47114374
Motherfucker, we made Citizen Kane. Back down.

does anyone even give a shit about 2ch?

>>47114606 It doesn't give them the excuse to produce same exact shit
Yes, as a matter of fact it does.

Supply and demand ring a bell?

I agree with the "cultural differences" dude. Japan and America are different, that's why they like different games.

>>47114374
OH boy where do I begin with this? You're wrong on more levels than I thought possible. You chose all the wrong categories (although I'll give you games on a limited scale.)

Lesson learned: Ass pain is a universal language.

>>47114733
The same people the care about what 4chan says.

>/v/ supporting IGN
what have you become, scum.
You know IGN are retards.
Jrpgs dont need fixing, otherwise they wouldn't sell a fucktonne. People enjoy them, and they come with character development, story, all the things a good game needs. The responses are accurate insofar as it's the moronic fps developers who churn out the same game over and over again that need to change what they do.

>>47114674
>fighting is repetitive

Wait, you call jRPG fighting repetitive? As compared to their western counterparts? It got me amused, but I sure hope you're trolling here.

>>47114606
>>Only reason, I would play a JRPG is to get some sort of reward all of that "HERES YOUR WEAKNESS TO DEM BOSS MANS, OH GRIND MOAR" if theres tits to be had.

>There's JRPGs that require grinding anymore.

>>47113448
>implying Oblivion's gameplay was in any way good

>"Japanese RPGs are created for the express purpose of letting one experience the blooming of their full powers from a total zero starting point. They're necessary for keeping public order in Japan."

The Japs don't like anything but JRPGs for one reason. They have delusional fantasies.

Japs imagine they are JRPG heroes. They imagine they are this super cool, super strong guy who saves the world and gets hot/cute women.

They prove this time and time again.
They celebrate video game/anime characters birthdays.
They marry video game/anime characters.
They dress up and act as these characters.
They even have furious rage when people defile their characters. One time they drove a manga author insane because one of her characters in the manga (a moe girl) was not a virgin, and all the Japs fucking raged hard about it and hated her forever when they found out.

Basically, Japs don't like WRPGs because they are out of touch with reality and/or want to escape from it.
I guess they prefer imagining they are Sephiroth than Fargoth.

Who gives a fuck about 2ch? 2chan has some cool stuff on it, but 2ch is shit.

>>47113987 >implying I have watched an anime or played a JRPG
>>47114256 no worthwhile content in either cartoons or games
How do you know there's no worthwhile content if you've never played/watched it?

Xenophobic much?

>>47114774
We found you nigger. you and your jungle bunny friends thought that you could hide from us? you thought wrong you fucking animal

>>47114374
Oh wow.

You need to go outside, Son.

Now you realize the japs couldn't have played any older WRPG because of language barrier.

>>47114374

FUCK YOU USA MAN! FUCK YOU!

This is coming from the same people who think Dragonball Z is entertaining and that Final Fantasy was ever an interesting series.

LOL@JAPAN

>people in this thread supporting Oblivion
>Oblivion's gameplay is good

lolwat

Oblivion is fucking terrible in terms of gameplay (point cursor somewhat near enemy and click until they die) and its only saving grace is the open-world RPG concept.

>>47114893

whoa shit that guys got a motherfucking sword

look at that

GRRRRRRRRR IM FUCKING RAGING RIGHT NOW!
I went to IGN to check this article, it's so full of bullshit. Everything the write is along the lines of "Mass effect had this, why JRPGs don't?", "fallout 3 has a big world, JRPG should too".
I followed a link to Last Remnant review:
>The Last Remnant is a technical mess, but it's also behind the curve in so many ways. While games like Fallout 3 and Mass Effect use voiceovers for every conversation, The Last Remnant doesn't even voice every main story sequence.
The article should be named "Top 10 Ways to transform JRPGs in WRPGs"

So 2chan is retarded, would we expect our conterparts to be any better than us? Of course not.

>>47113136
Good game, Japan.

>>47114816
did you read the list? Some points were actually valid and
>jrpgs
>sell well
yeah maybe in Japan but the sales in Europe and USA suck, especially if we consider that games have to sell millions of copies to be labeled as a success.

>>47113349
Planescape Tourment.

Western games have always been ahead from japanese games, geez, just look at gems like TIE FIGHTER, X-Com, Grim Fandango or Deus-ex.

A teenager with spiky hair can't compete against that shit.

>>47114848implying that JRPG provide bigger escapism than WRPG

ur a retard, you are obviously are one of those dipshit who love anime to hell but now hating it now.

>>47115027
>DBZ
>Not fucking awesome
nigga u gay

>>47114674

>Fun

>Final fantasy

>>47114674
98% of them still don't provide entertainment. I've never played a game based on how it looks. I still would rather play 16 bit games over newer games any day. And thats not because of nostalgia, I just find them more playable than new ones. Where is the satisfaction in characters who are always predictable?
Anybody could predict the outcome of a JRPG just by watching the intro and a few bits into the game nowadays.

>"Show me an American-made RPG that satisfactorily addresses all of these complaints."
Planscape

>>47115067
I reacted on that as well.

Rather than refuting the point they just got all defensive and lashed out at other types of games.

>>47115131
>Planescape Tourment.
You mean Planescape Gourmet. Or Planescape Tournament.

>4.) I Feel So Alone
>Expanding a game's scope to include multiplayer is an excellent way to increase a game's replay value.

>Recent Culprit: Tales of Vesperia

with the majority of tales titles being multiplayer.
wat

>"Okay, so give us some foreign RPGs that are more interesting than Japanese ones. I just don't find foreign RPGs interesting at all."

>"Oblivion's okay, but foreign games lack subtlety. They lack detail, and the character design and stories are bad."

>"Show me an American-made RPG that satisfactorily addresses all of these complaints."

>"Do foreign companies even make RPGs anymore? The only games that come to mind are first-person shooter action games. If we followed this 'advice' to the letter they'd have us making Grand Theft Auto clones."

Do you need more?

>>47113375
> grammar
> actually thinks japanese wrote that in english and that they weren't translated by someone else

>>47114057
>Gothic II
Try another one.

>>47115056
I think you're the retarded one for thinking 2chan is 2ch.

>>47115142
>Western games have always been ahead from japanese games
>Demon's Souls is better than any combat rpg that the west has ever created

wwwwwwwwwwwww DUMB AS PIG AMERICAN

>implying either WRPGs or JRPGs are any good

>>47115142MY FAVOURITE GAME IS A WESTERN GAME, SO JAPAN IS SHIT

Loud mouth nationalistic fucks, trade mark of an amerikkkan

What's the difference between 2chan and 2ch?

>"Americans can't understand complexity so a lot of the best stuff doesn't get translated. Like Megami Tensei"
>America has rich history of complex literature, film and music.

FAIL!

>"Oblivion and Fallout fanatics are exponentially more annoying than any Final Fantasy fanatic."
Reactionjimage.jpg

>"Hey foreigners: we find your first-person shooters boring as **** What do you say to that?"
We find your RPGs to be boring.

>"When I see all the 'sniping' and corpse-desecrating 'teabagging' going on in US games, the thought of what what foreigners do when they get mad [in real life] freaks me out."
Yeah, could say the same for all of the shit I see from Japan

>"Japanese RPGs are created for the express purpose of letting one experience the blooming of their full powers from a total zero starting point. They're necessary for keeping public order in Japan."
I lol'd

>"Okay, so give us some foreign RPGs that are more interesting than Japanese ones. I just don't find foreign RPGs interesting at all."
Right back at ya

>"Oblivion's okay, but foreign games lack subtlety. They lack detail, and the character design and stories are bad."
As are JRPGs. First, game stories are bad in general. How are JRPGs any better. They are usually a spiky haired kid who has to defeat evil all by himself and he doesn't notice his female friend wants to bone him. The characters are all chiche. At least in western RPGs, you make the character. I'll give him that almost all WRPGs are based of of Tolkien (right spelling)

>>47114844
Think about it. Is there a game that is not repetitive?

And yes JRPGs are extremely repetitive in nature with respect to combat especially. A few magic spells, super moves, some cinematic summon spell, but its all still grinding.

Some like it, some don't.

>>47115305
You'd be surprised how defensive Britfags get over their little island.

>>47115323
>"Americans can't understand complexity so a lot of the best stuff doesn't get translated. Like Megami Tensei"
Or how about that game probably sold like ass in your country and no one is going to waste their time bringing here for a loss. Game probably sucked which is why no one bought it.

>"I call 'cultural differences'!"
Winrar

>"Show me an American-made RPG that satisfactorily addresses all of these complaints."
Show me a Japanese RPG that addresses all of these complaints.

>"Do foreign companies even make RPGs anymore? The only games that come to mind are first-person shooter action games. If we followed this 'advice' to the letter they'd have us making Grand Theft Auto clones."
This is actually an interesting insight. Maybe American companies should try and diversify. Or the Japanese don't know what they are talking about.

>>47114374
Games - Created in the US
Animation - Disney
Cinema - US
Food - Changes everywhere and is invalid as an argument
Women - Same as food
Culture - lol

>>47115323
>female friend wants to bone him

>>47115056
see
>>47114467

>>47115031
>point cursor somewhat near enemy
wat
You have to aim very precisely in oblivion, all melee weapons work like guns with a very short range.
But I agree Oblivion has fucking horrible gameplay

>>47115314
>America has rich history of complex literature, film and music.

ITT: Japanese posters make a number of comments that are as uninformed as those put forward by IGN.

Then /v/irgins try to prove them wrong by citing games that are 10+ years old.

Good work, retards.

JRPGs are all the same.

Pic related: One of the few Jap games that are good.

>>47115305
Lol, and worshipping Japan is perfectly acceptable right? Face it, you are the same trash.

Typical anonymous responses, countering and attacking the sources instead of actually confronting and responding to the complaints, many of which are legitimate.

The Japanese formula, video games or otherwise, is always, "Stick with the status quo, wait for someone else to innovate, then copy them."

>implying JRPGs were even worth looking at in the past ten years

>>47115363

Japs are xenophobic, more than often they find their so far up their asses they don't know what is happening outside it.

I mean christ, there's Mass Effect 2 AND Bioshock 2 coming to adress these problems, and hell there's Risen and Dragon's Age too.

>>47115252
You're kidding right?

Dragon Age Origins GTA with witches and dragons.
Fallout GTA with Robots and radiation.

Enjoy your WRPGTAs.

>"I call 'cultural differences'!"

Only good response.

>>47115314
>america
>rich history

>>47115323
>and he doesn't notice his female friend wants to bone him

Please tell me what games you have been playing, I'm now very interested in JRPGs.

>>47115372 Animation - Disney
Disney is overrated. The enduring popularity of their movies is just proof that you can sell the common people any mediocre product if you have billions of dollars in marketing.

Don Bluth and oldschool (pre-3D) Dreamworks movies fucking RAPE Disney.

>>47115313
2ch is short for 2channel, one of the largest, if not THE largest text-only discussion board on the planet.
2chan is short for Futaba Channel, a japanese imageboard.
4chan is short for Yotsuba Channel, an english imageboard, based on 2chan.
4ch is short for 4channel or channel4, a different site than 4chan.

>>47115148

You failed to see the point.

Look at the picture. The Japs want what is on the right, not what is on the left.

>>47115464
>Killer 7 was good as a game
Nigga you high.

The greatest JRPG ever created is Arkham Asylum.

>lifeless environments

You mean like Fallout 3?
Yes I know post-apocalyptic blah blah blah but it's still bland/boring as shit. The best parts of the game are when you AREN'T in the wasteland.
There are plenty of JRPGs with good environments.

>linear gameplay

Too much linearity is just as bad as too much non-linearity, if you want to make an RPG with a decent story that will keep you interested.

>stereotypical stories

WRPGs are far more guilty of this than JRPGs.

>traditional battle systems

What matters is whether or not battles are fun. WRPGs are more action-oriented and that works, JRPGs are more strategy-oriented and that works.

They are pretty much different genres.

Shit like Naruto and Bleach is not complex or subtle, it's fucking retarded.