Anyone who takes tiers seriously, including people who intentionally play high tier or low tier characters, are retards.

This guy always gives me a whopping in arcade mode for some reason. I have an easier time with the final boss than him.

Beat them with an Astral Finish with Hakumen just to humiliate them more.

Me too, but I play Bang. Hakumen is a bro.

>>33954043
His Astral Finish is so fucking stupid. 720D that's a counter who the fuck thought that was a good idea.

>A smile forms on my face everytime I manage to mash counter or swing my sword wildly as some idiot Jin or Noel stupidly spams their drives right into my eight foot long range and I destory a quarter of their life with a single swing

>>33954013
I only play mid tier characters.

>>33954127
You don't have to 'manage' when people play like that. The C button basically presses itself.

Could someone tell me why Hakumen is low tier? He's a fucking beast, even when I fight "high tier" characters that seem to know what they're doing.

>>33954080
It's an extension of his regular D. Once you get the hang of countering doing the Astral becomes pretty easy, especially against Jin spammers.

>>33954180

Slow, no combos.

>>33954127
To be fair Hakumen doesn't have much to work with and you have to be fucking stupid to run into his C.

>>33954205
Nah he has some good combos you just need as many stars as you can get.

I can only beat Icecar Jins and Dspam Noels with Arakune, am I bad? ]:

I do NOT understand how Haku man is shit tier.

He hits you once and a quarter of your life is gone.
...fuck he GRABS you and a quarter of your life is gone. Granted he isn't heavily based on combos, but a good 5 hit combo and your done.

again, how the hell is he low tier?

Hakumen and Tager are considered the worst in HIGHLY SKILLED MATCHES. At the level that basically all of /v/ is at, they'll rape simply because they only have to connect a few times to match the damage of most of the higher characters who rely on combos. People at your level don't know enough about zoning and high damage combos to match a couple swings of your sword.

I use Nu, bitch is insane.

>>33954193

So how do you do 720 without jumping? I think I'm too slow...

>>33954248

Enjoy my IRON FIST blocking fucking anything you throw at me and making the game move at a frame per second.

>>33954237
Because his options for getting close are 90% air dashing and 10% the enemy miscalculated how long the sword is.

>>33954248
same here.
question...im having a lot of trouble using her glass sword/arrow thing to combo people from the ground and into the air. any tips?

>>33954302

I understand that, but with his ridiculous range, a
quick air dash and hes on you. Maybe I just have
zoning issues.

Lets say this.

In high level gameplay and Arakune and Rachel will fuck the shit out of Hakumen and Tager just because of how goddamn slow they are. Of course if either get a hold of Arakune or Rachel their also fucked because once Hakumen lands a few hits in your fucked.

The way Blazblue is currently set up everything is matched up with Rachle and Arakune with v13 slowly making waves as well. If don't match up well with those two then don't expect to leave bottom tier. Carl was bottom tier until DIO started raping the fuck out of everything with the loops he found with Carl.

Haku looks like Nobody from the Kingdom Hearts series. The Samurai type to be precise.

easy modo haku-men noob crushing combo:

C, QCF+A, HCF+C, DF+C

costs 4 stars but its not hard to do in the heat of a fight

also F+B (the foot stomp) combos into zantetsu too in you really wanna punish someone abusing lows

>>33954345
His slashes are slow as fuck. Anyone that knows what they are doing can beat him to the punch or block depending on the situation.

>>33954345
Well the issue is mostly that he's kinda fucked once the opponent figures out a way to get around the air dashing.
If they start keeping him at a distance with ranged attacks, his best option is to use his long range distortion drive to stun them for a bit. However, that compromises many combos.

>>33954408

I guess I have to practice more.
I use Nu, so the entire time im running and
hitting with combos, I do decently until I
get cornered because I fucked up. Nu has
a glass jaw so...you can understand why
I get mad at how much damage he can inflict

>>33954395

Can you put that in numbers? Not really up to par on fighting terminology.

Like 236A?

>>33954237
He's the slowest character in the game, and can't combo without stars.
Contrast this to nu, who can pressure from fullscreen without tension complete with unblockable setups, and dash cancels to get away. By the time you reach her, she has enough meter to counter assault you. If not she can just burst.
In the middle is Litchi, who has wonderful mixup and outranges him by far in staff mode, far enough that his drive counters won't even hit.
The strongest characters in this games are the ones who can zone while dealing damage while moving around the stage. Hakumen can do none of the above without stars, which he burns through pretty quickly if you know how to block.

>>33954491

QCF = 236
HQF = 41236
DF = 3

>>33954345
All you have to do then is block, counter with jump cancellable move, and jump over him, or back away. You're faster than him.

>>33954527

Thanks.

>>33954527
How does HQF (half quarter forward) equal to half circle?

I am the white void. I am the cold steel. I am the just sword. With blade in hand shall I reap the sins of this world and cleanse it in the fires of destruction! I AM HAKUMEN! THE END HAS COME!

>>33954491
That numpad input shit is the worst possible was of doing it.

QCF/QCB is far superior.

Why? It applies to both sides.

QCF means quarter circle forward. Inputs always start at down for these. It's a hadouken.

QCB is the opposite. It's a whirlwind kick.

DP is dragon punch. Forward, down, down-forward.

HCF is half circle forward. Back, down-back, down, down-forward, forward.

HCB is the opposite of a HCF.

360 is a 360.

I main Carl, and I have a hard as hell time against hakuman with Carl... and just about everyone else... except Carl.... because I haven't fought a Carl with my Carl.

>>33954305
Start with Crescent Saber, once it hits forward + D, D. Up then D, D up D D.

Crescent Saber back + d, d then finish with Sickle of Storm.

Last one a bit harder. Crescent Saber, forward D D jump down + right D D up down right D + D

Think you can create more from that. Enjoy

While I play as Nu, she can do this move that she instantly appears on the other side of the screen. I normally do this by accident, anyone know
how its done?

>>33954578
oops thats a typo. i normally use number notation but i know the bros here hate that. it should be:

5C, 236A, 41236C, 3C

BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

;_;

The rage, it occasionally turns to sadness now. Then some more rage, particularly if playing Slow Fighter IV.

>>33954689
Attack then double forward or back. It only works with certain attacks like D

>>33954578

A typo. It should be HCF.

>>33954750
your right! thank you

>>33954689
By double tapping any direction while doing certain moves she uses astral pulsar. She'll cancel the move and dash in whatever direction you tapped to.

>>33954689
dashing (front or back) after certain moves gives her the teleport

i think its her C attacks and standing D

>>33954730
Hey bro, I'm Canadian too.

Was gonna drive over to the US niagara falls to get the game, but they sold out before I could get there.

I've got a copy coming in the mail, I suggest you get one off of ebay or something for a slight markup.

>>33954730
SPADINA BUS

>>33954631

What about 22?

I enjoy going to the SRK forums for street fighter tips and combos, is there one equivalent for BB?

Nigga please.

>>33954868
Down, down?

d, d.

One of my friends used Haku-men when I first got the game. (he doesn't own the game, just played at my house)

He did nothing but spam his upercut slash and his normal slash, and then uses his distorion with the quick stick

And then he had the nerve to gloat. So I had to switch to Arakune and BEEEEEEEEEEES the shit out of him.

I don't think any Haku-men player will ever top a decent Arakune; he has NOTHING that can deal with his mindfuckery.

>>33954893
Dustloop.com

>>33954923

When one of the buttons is D, and all your other notation is in caps?

What about 2369?

>>33954943

Thank you very much

Most Hakumen players don't take advantage of his forward A and forward B. They are his best moves.

>>33954926
Hakumen can cut his clouds and bugs in half with C.

>>33954983
One of the buttons is D, not d.

2369 is a TK movement, and only ever applies to the 1P side.

But if you want to nitpick, the f, d, b, u notation is the best possible one.

Always applies to both sides.

d, df, f being a hadouken motion.

hi guys, new to this game! how do you cancel attacks and cancel into dashes and stuff?

>>33953975
>>Hazumen
>>worst in the game

lulwhut? Properly used Hazumen can DESTROY. Makes me want to learn to use him.

note to new bros facing down jins

the game only takes into account BACK & FORWARD inputs when mashing out of being frozen

What the hell are Pulsars?

>>33955128
FDBU notation is a waste of space and takes more time to interpret when reading over things in comparison to other notation methods.
Every notation in use applies to both sides.
Numerical notation is best for combo heavy games. It's best for other games too, but the communities are too entrenched in terrible, inconsistent SF notation that still uses things like 'Standing roundhouse' in games where there is no roundhouse button.

You know that vs. Noel Haku-Men does alright? Doesn't matter if he's low tier if he does good against a few characters.

>>33955336
236 is the 1P side.

On the 2P side it means something completely different.

QCF on the other hand means down, down-forward, forward on both sides, as does d, df, f.

And it's not the directions that take more time to decipher, it's the numpad.

>>33955234
>>33955234
Easily zoned and shit mobility

He's shit tier in higher level game play.

>>33955307
Highly magnetized rotating neutron stars that emit beams of electromagnetic radiation.

>>33954926
Few characters have anything that can deal with Arakune mindfuckery.

>>33955141

Only a few attacks can be dash cancelled e.g. Ragna's standing D, Jin's forward C, just double tap forward when it hits. For Jin it's something like forward C -> dash -> standing C -> air combo

Rapid Cancel is A+B+C at any point during any move, costs 50% heat

>>33955419

awesome! ty so much

Tiers in fighting games...

Doesn't it all come down to the player?

time for awesome haku-men vids

there's a beastly haku-men player named 0, look him up.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8cCGnTL6I0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyQrYb7EEWo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2JJ7ifCfyg

What the hell is a Pulsar? Anybody?

Tiers don't matter, they won't make you play better or worse, so ignore them. Only fags care about such vague shit like tiers.

>>33955557
Good luck trying to win agains a very good v-13 with tager

>>33955398
6 means forward no matter what way you are facing. It's a mapping directly to the same directions all the other notations correspond to.

When you look at 236, you see the number 2 and see it has 3 numbers and know what input it is. It takes 3 characters minus the button in space.
If you use d, df, f, you look at each directional input to deccipher it, and it takes 8 characters to display the same information.
You might as well just say 'hadouken' and save yourself the button input at the end, as it's faster to type and gives the same motion. We'll not even go to half circles.
HCF,QCF etc notation is fine and efficient as well.

>>33955512
0 is perhaps the best Order-Sol in Japan...usually does really well.

>>33955482
Not when both players are of nearly equal skill. Then character advantages can swing the game.

BB is not balanced, regardless of the fact that EVERYONE is ridiculous That isn't balance, that is insane.

>>33955668
Good luck trying to win against a very good Tager with v-13.

>>33955688
It takes you time to connect f to forward?

6 means forward on the 1P side, and means backwards on the 2P side.

>>33955482
Trying to pretend that only the player counts in fighting games is just as valid as trying to pretend that only the driver counts in car racing.

Admittedly, they have a bit more control in the average modern fighting game than what, say, Formula 1 has evolved into, where you go from FUCK YEAR WORLD CHAMPION to HOLY FUCK YOU SUCK ASS, but then again that's still only a drop of 1st to 18th "in the world", which would be considered badass for a Vega player in an SFIV tournament...

>>33955688
Also, you have 236 and 214.

Your "it takes less thought" argument is bullshit.

>>33955721
It isn't hard

Know how they calculate tiers? By pitting two people against eachother, yup.

Implying two people are equally skilled is hilarious.

Either way, tierfaggotry is worse than religion.

>>33955734
6 means 'forward' no matter what side you're on. That never changes.
I never took time to connect f to forward, but I save time typing 236 rather than d, df, f, and when you're doing 9 move combos, you save a lot of space that way.
There's a reason most fighting games other than SF use this notation.

>>33955770
>It isn't hard

laughingelfman.jpg

So you can beat say... Mike_Z, no sweat?

>>33955783
Tiers are real. The characters are all different, and as such some are better than others.

>>33955762
Both of which look distinct without actually reading the numbers because your mind knows how to match familiar patterns.

>>33955691
didn't he get the only haku-men into SBO?

>>33955668
>>Good luck trying to win agains a very good v-13 with anyone.
Fixed.

>>33955783
Are you retarded?

Seriously, it's not as if there's one Sagat player or one Nu player in the world. When a character wins 3x as many tournaments as other characters even when the Japanese champion plays someone else and the #1 ranked player in the country plays someone else, you can safely tell who the best character in the game is.

>>33955762
Way to ignore the most important part of his argument there, bro.

>>33955826

Mike Z was beat pretty bad by Combofiend's Hakumen at Devastation

>>33955799
From what I've seen, the numpad shit is the minority.

And no, there are two styles of numper pads.

There are the more common:

789
456
123

and:

123
456
789

In neither of those is the 6 forward when used as fighting game notation on the 2P side.

>>33955826
Mike Z never loses. He simply chooses not to win.

>>33953975
How does it feel to know that you're really Jin too?

>>33955892
Brotip: It's notation. It's standardized.
It always uses
789
456
123, the layout on standard keyboards.

The side you're facing does not change what direction it maps to. Just because you read 6 as 'right' does not mean 6 means right. It means 'forward'. No matter what side you are on.

>>33955897
Oh god what have you done to Tager!?

>>33955892
It isn't for arrows either, you have to be fucking stupid to not realize the inputs are from the 1P side.

>>33955949
Specifically, standard US 101/104 key keyboards. And most foreign ones as well.

>>33955870
>implying that when two skilled players face off, v-13 will always win

>>33955721
We're talking about players equally skilled. In a fight between a good v-13 and a good Tager, odds are v13 will win more matches.

>>33955892
>>From what I've seen, the numpad shit is the minority.

Noob.

>>33955949
f means forward regardless of the side.

forward means forward regardless of the side.

6 means right, not forward.

You interpret it as forward, but it is on the right.

236 means down, down-forward, forward on the 1P side. On the 2P side, it means down, down-back, back.

>>33955897
oh god now i remember Tager's joke story ending

Kokonoe is totally channeling Washu in that scene

>>33955892
Jesus christ, you're stupid.

the numberpad method, like it or not, is pretty much the standard for GG/BB/doujin-type games - get used to it

Number pad notation = metric system
QCF notation = imperial system

>>33956061
No, it doesn't. It's notation. 236 means 'quarter circle forward' or 'd, df, f' no matter what side you're on. No matter how many times you say it means right, it won't mean right. That's why we have notation, so stupid people can refer to it when they get it wrong.
Do you get confused when all the movelists in games have sticks making motions assuming you're on the 1p side? Because that's the argument you're making here.

>>33955949
Ultimately, my point is that the number pad notation only ever applies to the 1P side.

QCF/HCF/f, d, df doesn't matter, because it means the same on both sides.

Instead of sitting here arguing about which system is best, why don't we just go play the game and enjoy ourselves?

>>33955933
>>How does it feel to know that you're really Jin too?
I've gotten the full ending, but I haven't 100%'d everyone. Does it ever get explained how Jin went from Jin to Hakumen? Especially since Hamuken existed nearly a hundred years before Jin was born?

And do we ever get an explaination for why Jin's so crazy around Ragna and wants to kill him?
Did Terumi possess Jin or something?

So much shit still left unexplained...

>>33956061

9/10, lost one mark for persevering. Should've quit while you were ahead.

>>33956177
Except it doesn't. You're making an argument on a tenet that is false. 6 means forward in numpad notation regardless of the way you're facing. Think I'm wrong?
Go tell it to the people writing the notation. They'll tell you you're a fucking moron.

>>33956165
So now the arrows are better? Just a second ago you were arguing that the arrows aren't. (the arrows are identical to f, d, b, u in terms of input)

I prefer the QCF thing, but you were getting pissy when there wasn't a specific notation for d, d.

>>33956061
Well, have fun doing your d>df>f+C, faggot.

2a -> 5b > 6a -> j2d~b -> Taunt -> 214d -> j2d~b -> 5c -> 2d~6 -> j.c -> 8d~6 -> j.c -> 8d~6 -> j.236bb -> j.236bbbb

cr.A -> B > f.A -> j.d.D~B -> Taunt -> HCB+D -> j.d.D~B -> C -> Cr.D~f -> j.C -> up.D~f -> j.C -> up.D~f -> j.HCF+BB -> j.HCF+BBBB
What is this I don't even-

>>33956257
Because they've gotten used to the notation.

Which is why it is an inferior notation. It takes work to get used to. Just because you interpret six as forward doesn't mean it means forward, looking at a numpad it is on the right, and the position does not change based on what side you're on.

>>33956061
>236 means down, down-forward, forward on the 1P side. On the 2P side, it means down, down-back, back.

Yes, but on the numpad notation, everything is considered on the 1P side, you know, the default one, so when you go to training mode you won't need to change to other side all the time . So, what's your point? Are you dumb enough that you can't figure out how to read it on the 2P side?

I think I'm going to try to learn how to play haku-men next.

>>33955892
Someone please write a Taokaka air combo in easy to understand SF notation.

See how you had to invent 3 new acronyms and your combo is a complete mess to look at?

Numpad is here to stay, bitches.

>>33956272
Modern games tend to use the quarter circle icon, for QCs, the half circle icon for HC, and the Z for shoryus. Those implementations are superior to numpad notation, but you can't rely on them in text as you're not always on a forum that autotranslates to them.
Arrows are just as inefficient as fdbu and should be avoided for the same reasons.
Also, again you avoid the actual argument. You're still implying that you can't understand that your inputs flip when you face left, and that even fighting game's internal movelists work this way.

>>33956297
HCF is half circle forward.

so in your retarded notation, it'd be 41236, not just for 236.

>>33956339
Just because you can't do a simple translation in your head as implied by the standard doesn't mean the notation is wrong. It means you refuse to interpret it as per the standard and get the wrong result. This isn't the fault of the notation, it is yours and yours alone.
Numpad notation is written for spacial efficiency and typing. The ease of use after adaptation is mostly conditioning but is is a real benefit.

>>33956404
>>33956297
That totally wasn't there.

>>33956361
Of course I'm aware it's reversed on the 2P side, but what about someone new to the genre, who doesn't know that?

They might assume it's still 236 if they're on the 2P side, in which case would be a QCB instead of a QCF.

Which is why the non-number notations are superior, they cannot cause confustion as they are applicable on both sides.

I play Ragna. Jins and Noels be eating the same fucking combo over and over again when spamming their icecars/drives.

A standing jab during a D spamming Noel's little spasm will knock her out of hit. Shit is hilarious. You just stand there and slap at them over and over again while they try to mash D as fast as possible.

>>33956496
Or 426, which is the same input. Some prefer to put it all out for consistency, but it's no more accurate.

>>33956404

f+AA > j.C > aa +C > df + D > qcf BBBBB

>>33956496
Eh, replace it with Qs, dunno what I was doing. Maybe, GETTING CONFUSED BY FUCKING ANCRONYMS WITH SIMILAR NOTATION?

The SF system is very flawed, considering the amount of time it takes to explain what the shit a "DP" is while leaving it in there to get confused with d, LP, MP, and HP, compared to saying "Num pad faggot" for 623.

>>33956588
Someone new to the genre reads the notation or gets it explained to them. Just like how you get explained what 'QCF' means, or what d , df, f, means.
Most people are capable of understanding all of these concepts,

>>33956496
426 nigger

>>33956569
Actually, if you're arguing about the spacial efficiency, you're wrong about the numpad one being the best.

QCF notation is best for that.

numpad needs 5 spaces for a half circle, QCF needs 3 (HCF/HCB).

And to someone new to the genre, it's quite possible they wouldn't know 360 meant 360 degrees, and would cause them a moment of confusion.

>>33956621
>>33956674
426 is left, down, right.

Leaving out the diagonals.

To someone new, would they instantly know to hit the diagonals? Or could they have the issue where they think they aren't supposed to hit the diagonals?

Don't forget you have to assume everyone who is using the system is retarded, because the majority of the public is retarded.

>>33956646
Same combo, now in better format:
6AA>jC>*C>3D>236BBBBB.
Less space, same combo. Except I have no idea what the fuck AA+C is supposed to mean as your format makes it seem like the AA is an input to be paired with C.

>>33953975
Jin and Noel aren't considered the best in the game, they are just the easiest to get result with. If you want to be a smug motherfucker about beating someone then pick Carl.

And when you pick Hakumen you are picking Jin

>>33956770
It's basically impossible to do 426 without getting sufficient diagonals for the move to come out unless you're on a keyboard. Or doing it 10x too slow for anything to happen.

But seriously, combo notation isn't designed for people too retarded to figure out how to get a special move out.

>>33956588
>Of course I'm aware it's reversed on the 2P side, but what about someone new to the genre, who doesn't know that?

WHAT KIND OF RAGING MORON WOULD BE CONFUSED BY REVERSED COMMANDS

OH WAIT

>>33956848
You're overestimating the intelligence of the public.

>this thread

>>33956646
I mentioned Taokaka because you need to hold forward during her drive during the air combo for it to land - otherwise she bounces too far out. Which crappy retro notation can't account for except for displaying it as a link - which is incorrect.

But you've avoided this by making a combo that doesn't work.

>>33956687
Generally that's not a problem, as it's defined in the notation what '360' means.
Numpad does half circles in 3 spaces as well. 426.

>>33956770
No, it's back, down, forward.
It doesn't matter if you leave out the diagonals as it implies you go from one motion to another without going back to neutral.
You don't have to assume everyone using the system is retarded when you have it clearly explained in a simple manner like most sites for discussing these do. We have 'RTFM' for that.
You shouldn't make your community be held back by the least capable players.

>>33956902
No, you're overestimating how much it matters if fucktards can read combo notation when they're incapable of playing the game in the first place.

WHY DON'T WE PUT THIS MOTHERFUCKING SHIT IN BRAILLE, YOU'RE OVERESTIMATING BLIND PEOPLE'S ABILITY TO SEE

>>33956968
>You shouldn't make your community be held back by the least capable players.

This implies writing the combo in a smaller space increases the ability of the community to execute the combo, which is perhaps more ridiculous than insinuating the numpad notation is superior.

>>33957041
Oh come now, my comparison was possible, blind people can't play videogames.

This thread only proves that you guys are faggots. Just play to have fun and tiers

>>33957093
People who can't do special moves can't do 15 hit combos either.

>>33956202
In each timeline, when Ragna fuses with Nu, Jin jumps after them into the portal. He gets his new body (or... something called SUSANOO) by Rachel, who asks him if he wants to become a true hero. Abandoning his current sword which drew him crazy, he becomes Hakumen and tries to kill the black beast to save Ragna. Then he starts telling people what to do (considering he is from the future...) so that things don't happen again. Noone gives a fuck, he gets sealed up for a hundred years. When he awakens again, Kokonoe finds and repairs him, but he senses Ragna and goes to kill him to prevent him from becoming the Black Beast. While he is at it he tries to kill his "Jin"self as well for his past sins (burning down the place they lived and killing their sister while possessed by Terumi), as a kind of side project. With the seal of fate broken in the true ending, Jin wasn't sent back, so he never becomes Hakumen... I wonder if that'll bother him, though it'll probably not.

>>33957061
It's not optimized for 'increasing the ability of the community to execute the combo'. That's the individual's responsibility. The notation is optimized to make it easier to communicate fighting game combos quickly, efficiently, and expressively. And it does it very well, as has been demonstrated repeatedly in this thread.

>>33957093
Actually, it's an outlier, but there was that blind guy who was awesome at soul calibur. Weird, but it exists.

>>33957214
And the QCF expresses it much better, as demonstrated repeatedly in this thread.

>>33956202
>>33957174

WHAT THE FUCK

WHAT

Stop jerking off to Mike Z.

Also: Brodot is stupid

>>33957323
And here comes the idiot's retort.

"You're stupid."

With nothing to back it up.

And Mike_Z is quite good with Tager.

OP is stupid, Hakumen and Tager aren't the worst characters in the game he probably thinks slow = bad, which it's not. He just wants to make himself feel like he's some kind of superman for using his character

>>33957285
QCF/HCF works fine, but unless people want to use SRK for 623, it's inconsistent and not a solid notation. It's no more expressive than numpad notation. You're still doing the same mental translation in your mind. Series of symbols>Motion.

>>33957299
Story mode. I personally think it's awesome.
http://www.dustloop.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5362&page=105

You'll have to read back a few pages, but it's worth it imo.

That guy looks like Omega from Megaman Zero.

>>33957414
...No, they really are the worst characters in the game.
It doesn't mean they're not playable, or they'll never win, but it does mean they're much more difficult to win with in high level play.

Taokaka confirmed for shotacon tier

>>33957483
That's bullshit, tell that to a Rachel or a Carl and they'll laugh at your face

>>33957358
I can't help it if other people judge you. I've given my logic, and you've stuck to saying the standard is wrong because you don't adhere to it. Can't blame people for putting 2 and 2 together.

>>33957538

Are you implying Rachel is bad?

Why Haku is low tier - a visual demonstration
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0D2k2pz7BpE