...but it still didn't help the PS3 much.

>>29324492
>I'm assuming next-gen consoles are going to have disc media

>>29324523
I think the point just flew over your head.

>>29324550
>Assuming digital distribution will replace brick-and-mortar stores, and/or that SD cards will become magically cheaper than disc media.

>>29324550

Only systems I could see as having downloadable media next gen are handhelds.

>>29324555

No, I completely understand that Sony's future is based entirely on blu-ray. That doesn't mean much for the PS3.

>>29324550
>I'm assuming 400gb will be effortlessly and instantly streamed to console, where it will be stored.... on a Hard Disk I guess, I mean 400gb is nothing right?

>>29324585 games on SD cards

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

No, there are other options.

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>16 data layers

Whatthefuck.jpg

can't wait for the 399.99GB of uncompressed audio in mgs5

oh boy, 400gb that still can't be read at a decent speed.

>>29324595

Modern consoles are having a hard time actually using blu ray as it is.

Look at MGS4. Lots of its data is wasted on uncompressed audio and redundant data for shortening loading time. It still requires over 20 GB, but how much of that was necessary? You have to install the game in order to play it, why not just have a few install discs and then a play disc? The game could also be registered so that players could download the install data in the event they lose the install discs.

Holographic discs will be cheaper by next-gen. Fuck BR.

>>29324674
Protip: The PS3 has a slower disc drive than most modern Blu-Ray players.

>>29324680
That's just due to shitty drive speed. It's the equivalent of the single-speed CD drive of old consoles.

>>29324715
Still plays movies just fine, and runs PS3 games, unlike other BR players

lol
told u

>>29324674
it can be read at decent speed (even faster than the 360 dvd drive can read the same amount of data off a dvd9), but the ps3 blu-ray drive can't

>>29324523
yes it d

>>29324691
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holographic_Versatile_Disc

>although HVD standards were approved and published on June 28, 2007, neither company has released an HVD as of March, 2009.

>holographic drives are projected to initially cost around US$15,000, and a single disc around US$120–180

That shit has been dead in the water.

>>29324739
I know, I just don't equate "bluray" to anything other than ps3.

>>29324715

You missed my point.

EVEN IF WE HAD fast blu-ray drives, we still aren't actually using much space. Next gen won't be very different in that regard.

And that's assuming next gen consoles are trying to be powerful, what if they all decide to go the Wii route and the PS4 is just a PS3 with 16 SPEs instead of 7? 50 GB would be all that's necessary if that was the case.

>>29324680
>uncompressed audio
>shorten load times

laughingelfman.jpg

ps3 can uncompress/decrypt/whatever extremely fast if need be using the cell, if anything COMPRESSING the audio would reduce load times (less data to read from disc) -- although most of that audio was likely left on-disc as it only need to be played during cutscenes and codec calls (so it didn't even matter). Sounds and music commonly used during levels would be a diff story, but it didn't use nearly as much space.

Read times.

>>29324790
>EVEN IF WE HAD fast blu-ray drives, we still aren't actually using much space.

Tell that to the new multi-disc 360 games coming out, the devs bitching about a lack of DVD space, and the fact that all current-gen games come on dual-layered DVDs.

>>29324833
this, yeah

in a way I consider it a good thing though, less budget wasted on cutscenes cause they won't fit.. more budget on gameplay and levels

eventually, even textures won't fit though

>>29324833 Tell that to the new multi-disc 360 games coming out

Aside from shitty jRPGs, what? Only other game that might have benefited from more space was Mass Effect.

I don't get it. What's so bad about the idea of the next Xbox using Blu-Ray?

>>29324833

A few games are multi disc, but we're no where near where we were back in the playstation era. Games these days are primarily limited by budget rather than by storage space.

>>29324899

We're not talking about the next xbox.

Everybody agrees that the next xbox should use blu-ray or some other equivalent media.

>>29324907
But the gap closes more and more every month, and DVD just won't cut it with the next generation of consoles.

>>29324899

microsoft funding sony because of it

>>29324715
>>29324739
Protip: Easy to understand Reading speed comparrison (assuming 2x BD drive vs 16x DVD Drive):

Half-Full Single Layer DVD > BD (of any size/amount of layers) == Full Single Layer DVD > Dual Layer DVD.

This is why MS is crippling multi-plat games. It wants to compete with the games Sony has on offer, but it can't be seen to use more than 1 DVD (unless it really needs to). This would show the world it made the wrong choice for data storage on it's "next-gen" console.

>>29324790
I'm not sure how much upgrading the PS3 or 360 "needs", I'd much rather that they just get their shit together first. As for the Wii I really don't know where Nintendo will go after this since by next gen they will (hopefully) have exhausted the shovelware option.

>>29324875
spoilers: most developers are ALREADY struggling putting a game on a 9GB DVD, i'm not even talking about future releases. Assassin's creed - a game which was released 2 years ago, even THEN ubisoft BARELY just BARELY fit the game onto a single DVD

Rage will be at least on 2DVD's
forza 3 will also be on 2DVD's

do you see where this is going?

What's the point of all that space if THERE ARE NO FUCKING GAMES TO USE IT?!

>>29324907
>>29324875

The problem is that having multiple discs sucks and that's why a lot of developers limit themselves to one dic

>Pioneer showed up to showcase the capacious disc, and better still, a DigiTimes report asserts that these are indeed compatible with Blu-ray readers already on the market.

This is why it makes a difference with the ps3, this implys that the PS3 will be able to run the new discs.

>>29324492

Yeah but the damn disk will still be x2.

>>29324962

I'm assuming that, like the NES to SNES transition, some people will lose interest entirely and others will start becoming something that actually applies to the word "gamer".

>>29324971 do you see where this is going?
A one use installation disc and a play disc?

Yep. Is sees it.

>>29324971
I recall reading microsoft impose some extra fees (or something similar) when there's more than 1 disc

fee to make the disc, licensing fees, whatever, extra plastic thing to hold the disc.. all seem like not much, but it reduces profit by a lot on a large scale

Like it wasn't already a foregone conclusion that next-gen consoles would use blu-ray barring any unforeseen developments.

No game is going to be 400gb large, so this doesn't really have any impact on us.

It doesn't really help if the read speed is just as slow as it is on the PS3.

It would take forever to get that information off that disc. You'd have to install the games anyway so why not just digitally distribute them.

See steam, you pay 49.99 rather than 59.99 but you get the same game, a digital copy of the instructions.

With 1TB drives selling for around $100 now it makes a lot of sense, with a TB of space you'd be hard pressed to fill it with modern games. Then even if you do fill that much space up you can always switch out the HDD and install more games.

This would kill the resale businesses the devs loathe and companies like gamestop would finally die.

>>29324962

Nintendo's next big move probably isn't an HD console. Its probably going to be a handheld based on the dolphin platform. 2-3 years from now the hardware production will be there, and the cost of flash media will make games produced on 2-8gig flash cards economical.

>>29325036
ahahahaah

do you really believe this?

spoilers: it's not going to happen, do you want to know why? because Unlike the PS3, every 360 does not have a built-in harddrive

Shouldn't you be going to school right about now?

>>29324971

Rage is a primarily PC game from a dev that always, always, ALWAYS demands the customer buck up and accept some bullshit in order to get their game.

Forza 3 is a sim game. Games trying to simulate reality are always demanding on media.

I don't believe the claim that blu-ray was necessary this gen. A perk at best. Next gen it will be necessary, but when I play a PS3 game, why does every truck look the same? Sure, all of the trucks on one level can look the same, but if the media is boundless then why does a truck in one country look identical to a truck in another country? All of that stuff should be entirely different. Most games don't even bother with that shit.

>>29325112
the only thing that would use that much space is stuff like videos, long-winded audio, and similar

that stuff doesn't even need to be read fast

rest can be sorted by a optional 1-4GB install

>>29325112
I would much rather have a 400gb disk that gets copied to HDD, than have to redownload it. And at 400gb I don't care how cheap 1TB drives are, shit is going to fill up fast!

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>>29324712
I love how everyone ignored this post.