>>28980154
>DRM solution

Lol, this is why it will succeed.

Stop taking shit from somethingawful you fag.

input lag lol

>1. You don't own the games.
>2. You stop paying subscription you lose access to all your games.
1. You don't own the shit you download from Xbox Live either
2. Your HDD is wiped you lose all the shit you "own"

Also, DRM? Nigga please. Anyone who's masturbating to a digital distribution-only future (Sponsored by Microsoft!) has their asses wide open for the DRM incoming.

>>28980205
No, this is why steam is succeeding

>>28980255
.004 ms is an imperceptible amount of lag for humans and for any game that's not Mushihimesama.

>You stop paying subscription you lose access to all your games.
u sure bout dat?

I'd rather spend a few hundred dollars on hardware upgrades for my PC every year and get as many free games off of isohunt as I want, than to have to pay for every game I want to play.

Bandwidth and latency will be the undoing of this service.
Looks fine on paper, but will be a real nightmare to implement realistically. What ISP would want yet another BW-gulping behemoth like this one will eventually be?

BROADBAND COMPANIES IN AMERICA ALREADY HEAVILY THROTTLE BANDWIDTH HUNGRY SERVICES.

This will not fucking work.

I would run Crysis on maximum settings and leave that shit running for weeks.

>Your HDD is wiped you lose all the shit you "own"
COUGH RECENT DOWNLOADS COUGH

>>28980301
COUGH YOU DON'T OWN IT COUGH COUGH

>>28980290
It'll work because Net Neutrality was just destroyed last month by Obama and ISPs are looking to deals like this to get extra money. They open the pipes, charge a fee to OnLive and everyone that's an ISP exec or OnLive chairman wins.

>>28980273

haha you actually think it will be that low

The technology and concept are pretty amazing, but I'm wary of it because of the whole not owning the games thing. But as a PC game rental service? Fuck yeah.

Umm, what's everyone complaining about?

This is what Microsoft will do next gen. They've already said their next console will have no optical drive (which will be replaced by an SSD). That basically screams OnLive right there, it wouldn't surprise me if they made a partnership with OnLive.

"OnLive exclusively on Xbox Live"

As a rental service? FUCK YEAH.
As a game purchasing service? FUCK NO.

WHY THE FUCK ARE THERE SO MANY THREADS BITCHING THAT THIS WON'T WORK.

YOU BITCHES DON'T KNOW SHIT.

GET OVER IT.

IF IT WORKS THEN FUCK YEAH FOR REVOLUTIONARY GAYMEN.

IF IT DOESN'T WORK THEN WHO CARES WE'VE BEEN WITHOUT IT FOR 20 YEARS.


FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFffff

>I'm wary of it because of the whole not owning the games thing.
Read the EULA for the games you "buy". You don't own them, that's why piracy is illegal.

Gametap.

>>28980349
If Microsoft does ANY of that next gen, they've dug themselves a 30 foot deep grave from which they'll never emerge.

There's an interesting thread in /g/ about it. You lot should take a look

Obviously. The only people stupid enough to think it'll work is their target audience, retarded console gamers.

>>28980377
>If Microsoft does ANY of that they'll be able to sell next gen games online at $25-$30 and sell 2x more copies than a physical disc on a competitor

really though, trying to challenge Steam? who do they think they are?

their resistance just makes steam better

>>28980404
The discs and distribution costs aren't what rise the price of games $30 dumbshit. The disc and case cost less than $2.

>>28980404
>>Claiming Microsoft would ever lower the price of anything they sell

AHAHAHAHAHA

>>28980321
>Net Neutrality was just destroyed last month by Obama

0/10

>To seize this moment. We have to ensure free and full exchange of information and that starts with an open internet. I will take a backseat to no one in my commitment to network neutrality. Because once providers start to privilege some applications or websites over others. Then the smaller voices get squeezed out and we lose.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-mW1qccn8k

Lets just say you had the fastest connection possible (speed of light)
In 1ms light can travel 299.792458 kilometers for us Americans that's 186.282397 miles.

So if you wanted a connection with a latency similar to that of a PC (1~0.1ms) you could only be a maximum of 93 miles away. They would have to have one in every city, town and hamlet, from sea to sea.

>>28980415
Fucking imbecile. Without manufacturing, shipping or a publisher (since you no longer need them), THAT drops the fucking price.

The only other massive part of a game's cost is the artists and their pay, and that can't be cut without really hurting games. Unless you want to play cockass Dwarf Fortress-level games.

>>28980366
Yeah, I know. But you get what I mean - I'd rather have a disc with the game on that gives me access to it all the time. Unless it's by EA.

Xbox with no optical drive?
Fuck that, then I'll have to wait for them to hack it to pirate my games.

>>28980404
>>28980349
>Microsoft
>good for the industry
>good for anyone other than themselves

>>28980459
>Fucking imbecile. Without manufacturing, shipping or a publisher (since you no longer need them), THAT drops the fucking price.

Manufacturing and shipping aren't responsible for the huge price. Publishers are. Publishers would still be needed because they FINANCE game development similar to movie producers.

Games released on Steam as digital downloads still cost $50. The price won't go down, profits will just go up you fucking IMBECILE.

I love waiting 12 hours to download a new game. Then another hour to install it. Then 45 minutes to update it.

>>28980349
I never have my 360 hooked up to the internet as it is.
I'm not going to go for that bullshit.

>>28980461
> I'd rather have a disc with the game on that gives me access to it all the time.

You are in the minority. We're running out of space on this planet and with the success of the iPod and Netflix we've seen one thing: People don't like physically owning things.

Steam and Xbox Live are the future.

It won't work in the United States of America. They are at least TEN YEARS behind the world in terms of internet infrastructure. While every other European and Asian country has already laid down 50mb/s lines for home users, the United States is absolutely struggling to get down the basic fiber optic required. It's going to take at least five years for the USA to get even nation-wide 15mb/s home connections.

This idea will take off elsewhere in the world. But certainly NOT the US.

if you wanted a connection with a latency similar to that of a PC (1~0.1ms) you could only be a maximum of 93 miles away
if you wanted a connection with a latency similar to that of a PC (1~0.1ms) you could only be a maximum of 93 miles away
if you wanted a connection with a latency similar to that of a PC (1~0.1ms) you could only be a maximum of 93 miles away
if you wanted a connection with a latency similar to that of a PC (1~0.1ms) you could only be a maximum of 93 miles away
if you wanted a connection with a latency similar to that of a PC (1~0.1ms) you could only be a maximum of 93 miles away
if you wanted a connection with a latency similar to that of a PC (1~0.1ms) you could only be a maximum of 93 miles away
if you wanted a connection with a latency similar to that of a PC (1~0.1ms) you could only be a maximum of 93 miles away

/thread

Microsoft is clumsy because they always try to make their money gains from directly charging obvious sources - i.e. subscription fees

Valve is smarter than the average dipshit and they don't charge a subscription fee, in turn more people are free to climb into Steam, and then Valve entices them with purchases via both sales and continued support for the games they plan on buying

OnLive is just a really retarded digital GameStop

and the only games in the store are licensed games and EA games

>>28980523
Korea and Japan, for example.

>>28980516
You won't have much of a choice, anon. It's either Microsoft's DLC console or Nintendo's Waggle-Gen 2.

>>28980366
the fuck did you just say
owning =/ copyrights

>>28980516
Why the fuck do you even own a 360 if it's not connected to Live? That's like half the reason to own the machine right here.

WTF IS THIS STEAM SHIT? DOWNLOADING GAMES, LOL WHAT A RIPOFF, ITLL NEVER WORK.

>>28980551
Sony PS4

>>28980523

Hate to spoil this for you, but Japan has even less broadband penetration than America.

WTF IS THIS XBOX LIVE SHIT COHESIVE ONLINE GAMEPLAY WITH HEADSET SUPPORT AND ACHIEVEMENTS? THIS'LL NEVER WORK

̠̊̋̌̍̎̏̐̑̒̓̔̊̋̌̍̎̏̐̑̒̓̔ ̕̚̕̚ ̔̕̚̕̚҉ ̠̊̋̌̍̎̏̐̑̒̓̔̊̋̌̍̎̏̐̑̒̓̔ ̕̚̕̚ ̔̕̚̕̚҉ ̠̊̋̌̍̎̏̐̑̒̓̔̊̋̌̍̎̏̐̑̒̓̔ ̕̚̕̚ ̔̕̚̕̚҉ america sucks

So... now consolefags and PCfags have a new enemy. Fucking marvellous.

Not gonna kill either, just gonna make a lot more trollan.

>>28980551
LOL! I just noticed there's no mention of a Sony machine next gen.

Though that's the truth, sorry Sony Individuals.

"Rearden Studios claims that its servers will deliver video feeds that have a ping of less than one millisecond"

They might generate it that quick, but it will take a lot longer to reach you. For example, the ping to the first hop after my router is 25ms.

So, even if they were colocated with my ISP, I'd be looking at round trips of at least 25ms. Realistically, the number would be double or triple that.

That's still within the realms of imperceptibility for many people, but it's hardly a non-issue.

>>28980603
Hate to spoil this to you, but Asia doesn't consist solely of Japan.

>>28980616
OnLivefags: "LOL SUP CONSOLE AND PC FAGGOTS, I'M JUST OVER HERE NOT HAVING A FAGGOT VIDYA MESSING UP MY SLEEK FUTURISTIC HIPSTER BACHELOR PAD WITH A MILLION VIDYA CASES AND FATTIES"

>>28980520

>We're running out of space on this planet and with the success of the iPod and Netflix we've seen one thing: People don't like physically owning things.

>succes of the ipod
>we've seen one thing
>ipod

Sure because ipod is the only reason why mp3 are popular apple invented it.

5/10

>>28980639
Oh god, it's like the Airbook all over again.

>>28980528
learn2network
depends on the cables and technology used.

>>28980523
You think america is behind? Britfags are lucky if they can break 4mb on their best services.

PC gaming just gets deader and deader.

>>28980670
Fag, mp3 sales have exceeded mp3s well before iPod came around, the iPod finally put the last nail in optical media's coffin (for music).

Netflix is doing the same for movies.

This will do it for games.

This is the future.

>>28980699
Yeah, if you live in Wetherby.

>>28980699
>You think
No, I know we're behind. Most of the country's broadband barely hits 1.5Mbps. ISPs cap the fuck out of everything while charging shittons for shitty up/down rates.

>>28980718
no u

>>28980718
You know what I think of the future?

Parkinsons. Try driving a DeLorean with that.

>>28980699

Well as a britfag with 20mb/s i dispute your comment. Ok it clocks at 18mb/s most of the time but it's a better than what you're suggesting.

Hell you can get 10mb/s for £10 a month (think it's an offer not really interested in downgrading) so you must be really poor if this is from personal experience.

>>28980750
Ok, I lol'd a bit.

Doesn't Europe and Australia have really ridiculous monthly bandwidth caps? I.E. you can only use up a certain amount of GB monthly.

Probably why they have such fast speeds.

Fuck it, let's all move to the Nordic countries.

>>28980718
Physical cd sales are still in the millions. Most people get MP3's online and then put them on iPods and BURNABLE MEDIA.

Physical ownership is not gone.

>>28980759
>I lol'd a bit
>Witchcryinghunterwatches.jpg

wut

>>28980770
>Physical cd sales are still in the millions.
And online mp3 sales are 100x higher.

This is an interesting concept, I could see it getting some use if I felt like playing Crysis on my laptop.

Still, I don't think it will replace having the game on my HDD for me, I don't want to worry about connection quality, ping, fees, etc. etc. Plus, I can't help but assume mods will not be compatible with this service.

>>28980769
Well, I dunno about Europe but here in AU we get shit speeds (comparatively) and yes a monthly limit on bandwidth. My plan right now is 25gb at $59.95 a month, once you go over that 25gb you're throttled down to 64kb/s speeds.

>>28980795
I love how you choose to ignore part of my post to continue your sad trolling.

Most people who get digital media still own a physical copy (their HDD, burnable media, etc)

>>28980758
>Hell you can get 10mb/s for £10 a month

Most of the time it's "up to" 10mb/s or whatever speed they claim. But the only places in the UK that get anywhere near the claimed speeds are a couple of cities and universities. 90% of the UK uses shitty cables that are incredibly outdated and the government has no interest in replacing them.

>>28980814
And what I'm getting at is that the product is being sold more in digital form and merely printed on empty physical media.

You're basically arguing that when Microsoft's next console comes out and all games are downloadable to its SSD that just because some peopel are pirating them = physical copies are still better than digital distro

It's stupid and wrong.

Gamestop, Nintendo, Sony, and Microsoft will do everything in their power to kill this thing.

>>28980804
>>My plan right now is 25gb at $59.95 a month,

Damn son

I pay $30 for 6MB download and unlimited bandwith

My upload is a bit weak though it's only like 1.5MB

They have two higher which is 10MB download and like 2MB upload, then a "Power User" one which costs some ridiculous amount and is like 10MB down/10MB up which I guess is codespeak for "Pirate Mode"

I'm on DSL...there is no fucking way i can stream video games.

>>28980900
This is in the West Coast/Washington though, and things are relatively modern and such

I heard internet is terrribleee in the midwest with shit connections and Comcast lording over everyone

>>28980894
See:
>>28980349

>>28980847

Yes and like I said mine usually clocks at 18mb/s. If yours is dipping much lower than that then change your provider or complain. There is a limit to how much this "up to" can contain before they are false advertising and technically giving you an inferior connection package.

I know, it took a few weeks to get mine from being an 8mb/s connection, they try to fob you off with running checks and procedures but if you keep hassling them a van turns up, digs up your road and you stop threatening to go down to a slower/cheaper package. I fucking love complaining now, that and threatening to take your business elsewhere.

Oh wait this is /v/. Maybe if you tell your mum in enough detail she won't fuck it up when she makes the call for you.

This all seems like a fucking sham for people too retarded to even know how a computer works in the first place. So, they just fork over money to some company to do everything for them.

Even if it is shit.

What the fuck is netflix?

>>28980572

I had a Xbox360 and never used Xbox Live.

I used the free month that came with GTA 4.

Sir I must say I enjoy the xbox when it's offline. Online is like being in a fucking school yard.

>>28980693
learn2physics.

In 1ms light can travel 299.792458 kilometers for us Americans that's 186.282397 miles.

We divide that by 2 and get ~93 miles. If you go any further away it's not physically possible to send information fast enough to avoid a latency of more than 1ms.

Now if we realistically look at think you're going to probably get a trip of around 50~80ms both ways.

So in the best possible condition expect a 100ms input lag.

>>28980905
DSL is pure hell. That anon's upload rate is my fucking download rate.

Streaming games is a goddamn impossibility and "upgrading" more than doubles the price without doubling the speed.

>>28980924

well looks like i'm gonna become a full fledged pirate next gen. I'm not gonna pay for "air".

>>28980927

wtf did you just copy my reply from /g/?

>>28980943

>100ms input lag.

This is fucking huge

>>28980154
and did I mention? NO HACKERS OR PIRATORS

>>28980952
If you've bought any DLC at all, you've paid for "air".

This is the fucking future, anon. This is the end of piracy flatout.

>>28980943
100ms is a fucking unplayable. I haven't seen that shit since the days of Quake on 56k

>>28980924
Someone remind me how the fuck we let Microsoft become #1 in the first place?

This sounds like they're going to try and put a Xbox settop box in every house in the U.S. integrated with Games for Windows on PC and provide a cohesive, Microsoft-backed entertainment experience.

In other words, like pure SHIT.

>>28980984
and what's stopping someone from uploading the air for other people to download?

>>28980984
are you really saying pirates just won't find a way to change and adapt?

Companies bend over backwards try to bend over backwards trying to cut off pirates, but they will always find a way in.

They need to give people actual reasons to buy their games - instead of forcing them to.

>>28981019
DRM and other "always" on methods.

>>28981026
You mean the kind that gets cracked in under a week?

>>28980926
You don't seem to understand, it's impossible for most of the UK to get those kinds of speeds since the government won't change the cables from copper that's been used for decades to what the rest of the world's been using for years. Changing ISP can't fix that.

And I'm not complaining, just stating facts since I use a free 20mb/s connection anyway.

>>28980520
> People don't like physically owning things

This is what piratefags actually believe.

>>28981026
Wonderful, so not only do we lose the convenience physical copies to hackers, but legit consumers have to pay for INTANGIBLE NOTHINGNESS because it thwarts pirates.

Tell me how any of this is supposed to make me happy for next gen?

>>28980943
>100ms input lag
What do you have to back this shit up?

>>28981043
Speak for yourself, I'm a piratefag and even I like to own physical copies of a lot of things.

>>28980520
>Steam and Xbox Live are the future.

In the year 21XX.....
>>28980983
>If you will build it, they will steal it.


One more thing. Say GOODBYE to trading and selling games though. In the future, there will be no reselling. There will be no trading of games, there will be no renting.
Goodbye Blockbuster.
Goodbye Gamefly.

>>28981083
so we'll have to buy a 7 day license for a movie we want to watch and then after the time limit is up it deletes itself?

>>28981049
nothing would ever make a whiny faggot like you happy, so what does it matter

>>28981105
It'll work like this:

The movie is in a format unplayable by anything other than the device they send to your house, in an encryption that can be undone only by their proprietary hardware in the box and you can only do 3 things with the data in the drive:

Download more movies (Pay), Play, Delete

Any other thing locks it up and it has to be sent in for service.

>>28980943

which is EASILY noticable. Also not this isn't regular lag, its INPUT LAG. So say if you press the jump button.. you won't appear to be jumping till 100ms later. 100ms is roughly 7 frames.

>>28981105
Certain companies were toying with the idea of DVDs that go black and become unreadable after about a weeks exposure to oxygen.

It's pretty much the same thing.

>>28981105
>>28981083

It has already begun my friends..

>>28981172

It will pretty much be like playing a LCD monitor with a 100ms response time. But then add the input lag your LCD may already have. Even in ideal conditions its unplayable for any real (lol) gamer

>>28981202
I know.

The future... is now.

>>28981202
>>28981228
>>28981170

ITT: What the 10th level of hell is for gamers.

>>28981064
That was just an estimate of a realistic time.

I used 50ms, you double it because you have to send it both ways.

Thus 100ms.

Picture related, it's a ping of Google, average is 54ms.

Hey I've got an idea. Why don't we denounce a new concept before we've even tried it out? Fuck yes, I am so scared that Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft won't produce game boxes anymore so I MUST shoot down any new idea!

>>28981228
HAHA OH WOW. What the fuck is this shit? Seriously

>>28981275

A shoop.. For now

>>28981228
The internet set up like cable packages?

DO. NOT. WANT.

>>28980448
TOO LATE COMMUNIST NIGGER!

>>28981228

>>28981228
1. Fuck that shit.
2. Verizon is more likely to be the first company to sponsor that at first.

>>28981361
Fuck, it's a toss up between Time Warner and Verizon.

>>28981083
>>One more thing. Say GOODBYE to trading and selling games though.

This is one thing that gets me.

Where do you go when you want to play something old and undesirable by the public at large? Where do you go to get that odd obscure game nobody seems to have?

>>28981361
forgot my reaction image.

>>28981400
Nowhere. THAT's the point.

Companies want to protect ALL their games from piracy, even the ancient ones. They want to control when you have access to the content, how much you pay, etc...

Instead of finding an old game, buying it and playing it, here's what happens:

You wait until the company releases a Classics Pack.

You buy the pack just to play that one game.

>>28981400

If it's all digital you can buy a copy.

>>28981400
You go no where.

You just hope they put it on their online store in the future.

The year is 2047, someone mentions Deus Ex, you don't have it installed, you can't find your disc, and resale of games is no more, WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU DO THEN HUH!?

>>28981434
That will be worthless the instant your HDD gets wiped.

>>28981400
Nowhere asshole.

Now buy our new shit.

This really doesn't matter. The gaming industry is deteriorating every single day, derivative, uninspired garbage is polluting the scene. By the time this shit gets mass market share, all the games worth playing will exist on the old consoles and PC anyway.

tl;dr - gaming as we knew it in our youths is dying

>>28981400
>>28981423
That's exactly why I'm buying all the anthology/collection games out on the Ps2 along with another PS2 just incase something happens to this one. I'll be damned if I'm paying 5 dollars to play motherfucking Mortal Kombat 2 or Rampage (fuck you psn)

>>28981400
I don't think you get it: That's the point.

There will be no physical copies and you'll be FORCED to buy their console and use their service and buy the digital one.

Or were you not here for the kerfuffle over the epic homosexual over at Epic who talked about physical games coming with authorization codes for each copy so you could see the ending/play the last chapter.

Devs and publishers HATE Gamestop.

Well. If we end up like the world in the Fallout games. We won't have anything to worry about!

>>28981456
I'll just reinst- OH GOD

THERE IS NO GOD

EVERYTHING IS A LIE

>>28981456

lol for thinking that anyone will give a shit about games in 2047. By then, we'll be LIVING a fucking video game...

>>28981460

Ok, I give up on this thread. /v/ is full of fucking retards.

Fuck off /v/ you're worse than Paulestinians and troofers.

>>28981485
This is what I've done for YEARS, and it's why I say the PS2 was the last true gaming console.

What we have here are ripoffs masquerading as gaming consoles/media centers.

>>28981520
Pfft, more like

"I'll just reinst-$5.99"

>>28981539
I sense a lot of ragefaces when this gets released and some BRAVE anons try this out.

One good thing about this set up. They could charge you say a dollar to play a game for 30 minutes or so. If you want to keep playing, pay another dollar. If not, move on. If the game sucked and you hate it, you're out a whole dollar. No more "BAWWW I paid $60 for this and it sucks!" So it's not all bad, you philistines.

>>28981562
Especially with all the nostalgia threads on here compelling people to reinstall left and right.

It's a good idea on paper.

Being able to play high quality games regardless of the computer is pretty cool.

But what of the video quality and controller lag? I don't think we have the infrastructure to support millions of people playing games on this service. Even HD quality videos take awhile to download. But processing the game, sending it to your computer, reading your controller inputs, and actually make it smooth? Sounds a little too idealistic.

They claim that it would be free of lag, but it's only in a closed beta right now. When it goes open, I'd imagine the servers would be experiencing a good deal of stress.

>>28981572
This would get extremely costly if you wanted to try a few games for a while (since a minute sure as hell isn't enough to get a decent grasp of a game's premise, especially with the cinematic shit these days running at least 3 mins).

>>28981523
>Implying that /V/ is worse than Paulestinians and troofers.

That's because most of this website is made up of said Paultards and truthers.

>>28980154
don't forget the shitty economy!

With no need to produce a physical copy, I imagine a bunch of developers are gonna get mega-lazy

They don't have to "sell you" on buying things as much

Goddamn if this goes live. Support Steam, people, just do it

>>28980154

These ideas and the like are killing single player games, why the fuck would I want to be unable to play offline?

So you are all basically watching a movie now...

"gaming has changed"

Ok, that's it

Microsoft has gone power mad
It's time to choose a new succesor

>>28981804
>Single player.

Oh. You're like me.
Welcome to the Minority Friend.
In this day and age, unless you're playing with 2 to 100 more people you are not counted as a customer or a gamer.

They don't give a shit and if it catches on, the fans of it will say "cry baby cry you don't have any friends go play an rpg, wait co-op rpgs sorry bro" because you want to enjoy a game by yourself.

>>28981694
also much of the reason why games are tested thoroughly is to make sure they can sell it on shelves with no issues afterwards

with digital-only, this is not the deal - games will not be tested and the ability to instantly drop patches will be the route chosen

ITT WE RAGE ON SHIT WE DONT KNOW ABOUT


shitsux

so this is how gaming's gonna die/

OP is an idiot.

I hope it works, but we'd all unlimited download caps on our broadband.
This is only really for people who'll play for a couple hours a week