I like to own things

Yes.

nah, dude

I FUCKING LOVE SOCIALISM, NOW GET BACK TO WORK! WE HAVE MUCH TO DO!

It's alright, when done properly.

>>22605373
I like to deserve things.

Yes, depending on what we are talking about.

For health care? Yes absolutely 100% yes.

For most other things? No, usually not. A free market is the best way.

>>22605426
It'll never be done properly

Democratic socialism.

>>22605486

It's already being done properly for years in Sweden, Norway, Finland, Iceland, Netherlands and France to name a few.

>>22605472
A completely free market sucks ass though, needs to be reared but not completely controlled.

I like government regulated markets, where the government sets standards and provides help for the people.

I'm a britfag, and I love getting free healthcare, for example - my (american) aunt was over here for a holdiay a few years back, she ended up losing two fingers in a boating accident, and she got them sown back on for free by a world class surgeon. In America that operation would have cost $30,000+ without insurance.

They say the mark of a great country is they way it takes care of it's poor. America has failed that test time and time again.

>>22605550
this guy know where it's at

inb4 Liberty Prime

>>22605550
>Netherlands
We're a democracy you numpty.

>>22605357

No, not really.
I respect your opinion, though.

/v/ - Ideology

>>22605697

they aren't mutually exclusive, you ninny.

>>22605357
Pinko here, what do you think.
Also, not /v/ related.

>>22605697
see
>>22605516

>>22605697

Democratic socialism is where the goodness is.
Your country does it great.

I prefer the free market on moral and practical grounds.
An exception I could tolerate is a guaranteed subsistence-level income for everyone, but it would have to be just enough for one to survive and look for employment or enterprise opportunity.

Boy howdy I sure don't like free health care and education!

Gimme some hyper-capitalism any day son, booyah.

>>22605357
Naww, but I've grown quite fond of social democracy

Democratic Socialists, socialist, communists and the like are all fucking hipsters.

There's a reason America is a worse off country in terms of literacy, education, GDP, and life expectancy than most members of the EU.

It's their love of the 'free market'.

Also, what the fuck is wrong with your healthcare system, when I went to an American hospital the care was substandard and I had to fucking pay.

>>22605834

22605834

Boy howdy I sure love being forced to pay a significant proportion of my income to the government to do with as they see fit.

Gimme some socialism any day son, booyah.


(not that I necessarily disagree with you, I just wish to point out that such a simplistic response is basically useless)

This isn't /b/ you fucking idiots. This is VIDEO GAMES

>>22605954

The US health care system spends more taxpayer money than any country in the world, is like the 50th best in the world, same level as ex-USSR countries, and it isn't even free.

There is absolutely nothing good about it.

>>22605828
Personally I feel the market does needs some form of regulation but I must agree that 'exception' of yours. How do you feel about income support?

>>22605373
>>22605427


you see,about this deserve and own things.Its really funny because none of the ideologys are 100% fair.on socialism you would work hard and get the same treatment of someone who dosent do shit BUT on capitalism even if you work hard you will sometimes be pushed back since the base of the society are the poors,thats why most capitalist countries dont have a good education,good minimum wage and etc.they need poor people.

>>22605954

>There's a reason America is a worse off country in terms of literacy, education, GDP, and life expectancy than most members of the EU.

It really is not that simple.

>>22605954
>what the fuck is wrong with your healthcare system
This
I was treated better in a FREE NHS Hospital in Glasgow than I was in a private hospital in Boston. (both for broken leg).

>>22605985

10% (at most) of your pay is only significant if you're on minimum wage or fucking greedy. One learns to live within their means if the result is the country improving.

Yeah I like socialism

I'm not American, though

Socialism, you mean where people actually stick up for people instead of being fucking retardedly in-love with money? Fuck yeah man.

fuck i hate ayn rand and objectivism

>>22606058

In Australia, it can get up to around 30% (on the total) for high-income earners, plus 9% flat rate (super, goes to old folks).

>>22605697
idioot

>>22606120

gb2/middleschool/

See, I'm a britfag, and a conservative, but if anyone sad that they'd take away the NHS there would be a fucking revolution. Free healthcare should be a staple of every western country, infact the US is the only first world country that still doesn't have a public health system.

There's a difference between being conservative and being a twat, you Americans need to learn this.

>>22606178

And yet Australians have a much higher standard of living than Americans.

Wassup with that?

Free market does not work most of the time. Whenever an institution has an monetary interest, say a hospital, sometimes money will be put before people. Or like America, where money are always put before the people.

If a hospital is government owned, they don't have to care about making monetary profits, they just do what they do and do it damn good at that.

Now some things, like culture and entertainment, works great under a more, but not completely, free market.

And don't come saying it doesn't work. Lots of countries in Europe has made it work for years.

>>22606173
I like Ayn Rands novels, while I disagree with here ideology, she sure as fuck can write.

Hey, but least this thread is now /v/ related, lol bioshock.

Still it really isn't /v/ related and I'm sad this thread has so much attention, as much as I'm happy we have a bunch of pseudo intellectuals on /v/, it's still not /v/ is it kids?

As someone who has lived in a country which had communistic/socialistic dictatorship for over 40 years, I can safely say that anyone who likes either of those is either fucking retarded, completely uneducated, or (in most cases), both.

2% of the population of America owns 75% of it's public resources (i.e. money).

How the fuck can you say you're a great country?

>>22606197
>There's a difference between being liberal and being a twat, you Americans need to learn this.

Fixed for American audiences

>>22606295

Communism and Socialism are different things. And Social Democracy isn't like either of them. What's your fucking point?

>>22606295
>dictatorship
stopped reading there

>>22606340
Socialism is just one step away from communism. OP's question was if /v/ likes socialism, my point is that anyone who does is an idiot.

>>22606295
Man, all dictatorships fucking sucks no matter the political orientation. That doesn't mean that Democratic Socialism isn't the most awesome thing around (which it is).

>>22606332

You know how Lenin said 'Religion is the Opiate of the masses.'

Amrica is a prime example of that, they live in their fucking bubble and think they're the greatest most free people in the world, and yet censor all their TV and complain when anyone else in the world says something they don't agree with.

>>22606295
I'd say you're pretty uneducated if you liken communism with democratic socialism.

>>22606388
you sir,are and idiot.

>>22606368
Why?

>>22606388
Aaand liberalism is just one step away from socialism yadda yadda... it doesn't mean fucking shit. Look at everything in its own right instead of being a retarded fuck and go OMG THAT ALMOST SOUNDS LIKE COMMUNISM

Isn't Canada sort of socialist? They seem like they're doing ok

>>22606407
Lenin and Mao both espoused freedom for the people but personally both of them saw the people as nothing more than tools for their agendas.
Lenin once quipped that the people were unruly and that you must "beat them, beat them until they stand in line properly"
I'm pretty sure I misquoted him but you get the idea.
Still the Bible belt pisses me off to no end

>>22606332
Is this true?

>>22606445
Let me guess, you're American, overweight, and a college student of liberal arts, right?

So you are saying that say, what Norway does, taxes oil companies that drill for oil (without interfering) then uses those taxes to create free public health care, perfect education, then all the spare money is invested around the world in ethical corporations that do not have anything to do with weapons manufacturing, weapons testing and environmental damage, and that creates a system where everyone is free, top of human development index, near top in education, health care, income and freedom, is actually one step away from communism?

Now take into account that your American health care system actually uses MORE taxpayer money per person than any other system in the world, free or public, and that the US health care system is as good as Slovenia's, and think again if you like your current system more.

>>22606453
They're doing a whole lot better than failmerica.

>>22606461

Mao maybe, he was a fucking monster, but Lenin was a great man.

>>22606453
Canada is more left central, not exactly Democratic socialists. They are doing great compared to USA though, I think it's because they are more European.

>>22606407
Karl Marx wants a word with you.

Lenin and Stalin are a different person.

Lenin was good.
Stalin was not.

>>22606499
You're not even close. Also, how the fuck could you make the assumption that I'm not an American when I'm basically saying that "Socialism and Communism aren't the same thing" as well as "People are overreacting about Communism".

There isn't a single American who could even formulate thought similar to those in their minds. They're way too brainwashed.

>>22606556

oh, sorry my bad then, I was confusing those two.

>>22606518

Europeans are all a bunch of cheese sniffing wine drink chain smoking faggots who we could invade in a heartbeat if we wanted to.

But we don't, because why the fuck would we want europe.

Also, capitalism is the best system in the world.

yes i like to socialize with my friends alot

Forget Norway, they were lucky to have great resources (oil + gas).

See what Sweden, Finland or Netherlands do with such limited resources that they have. They do not export oil, they do not have natural gas, they have very limited resources. And yet they manage to create a system far more democratic than any other country, with still public health care and education that has much better results than anywhere else. And their income is huge too.

If those countries can do that, and Norway can do even more because of their resources, imagine what the US could do with the nearly unlimited resources could do if their economic system was better.

>>22606584
I'll play with you troll.

Europe is a sophisticated continent, (sans Britain, but we ignore them as European anyway.) We are the best for Education, health and many other IMPORTANT THINGS.

However Capitalism is great. IF YOU OWN A MAJOR CORPORATION.

>>22606542

Marxist theory is silly. Workers don't really get dissapointed with society and band together and take over.

Yes, and I should hope the Americans in this thread do as well.

Obama's kinda like a more right wing Ken Livingston, a man who has got a lot of flak but ultimately I respect a lot. When Ken said 'we should do away with the armed forces and arm the factory workers' Obama was the only man to listen.

Enjoy your Civilian Protection Unit.

>>22606461
Religion was created to teach people how to live their lives(all the religions) and thats not exactly a bad thing,you know,teaching people some moral,what and what not to do,whats right and whats wrong.But with religion not only a lot of good things come but also bad things,mainly because it makes people ignorant and against other religions or people with different beliefs.

Most religions are a joke nowadays.
The church is full of pedophile priests and a bunch of people who dosent follow the bible at all,and the ones that actually do are a bunch of hillbillys who live in a strange dark cult and walk with ´´gays are going to hell`` signs.

The jews only care for other jews.

Muslims are discriminated because they actually follow what their holy books say and because of that they still live in the stone age.

Hey /v/, what's Capitalists and Democratic socialists views on Unemployment and living off the state? Because lets face, that's what all of you will be doing once you leave school, so think, which would you benefit more from?

>>22606693

I think he meant the quote I attributed to Lenin was actually a quote by Marx. My bad.

Without free market forces we'd be paying stupid amounts for shitty vidya games.

Competiton means striving for the lowest prices and the best product.

Now it's /v/ related

>>22606295
>>As someone who has lived in a country which had communistic/socialistic dictatorship for over 40 years, I can safely say that anyone who likes either of those is either fucking retarded, completely uneducated, or (in most cases), both.

funny, my country has a dictationship based around the right-wing of politics and it was crap too, so i assume you are just a idiot who is generalicing the whole left-wing

>>22606693

Except looking at human history, they have. Quite a lot.

>>22606693
I was trying say it was Karl Marx who said the Church Opiate etc etc.

>>22606567
>There isn't a single American who could even formulate thought similar to those in their minds. They're way too brainwashed.
NOW who's making assumptions, you egotistical asshole?

>>22606765

Not by the time Marx was around. Russia was an exception because it was fucking still using feudalism until 1863 or some shit.

>>22606806

1861*

>>22606734
Unemployment doesn't work in a socialist movement, which is Ironic because most Art students are socialists, and are always unemployed.

>>22606693

It's because the theories of Karl Marx doesn't apply to modern society. There is no Bourgeoisie class any longer, which is a central part of everything that Marx says. I just wish people would understand this.

>>22606748

Francefag here, we don't have an American free market and the Vidya only costs the equivalent of $40 new.