A lot of fun. :)

I think it sucks.
In before people thinking I'm trolling.

LEFT 4 DEAD?
MORE LIKE
PLAY 4 FUN!

I thought I'd be sick of the 1.7 levels already but I'm not.

Wait, did the demo get released to the public yet?

>>22559292

When I first saw the gameplay videos months back, I thought it would be some shitty run-and-gun Zombie mod. But I read reviews about how awesome it is, so I pre-ordered it and got the demo. I absolutely love the demo and I can't wait for the full release.

I've been playing the same two 5 minute levels for 5 hours.

I think i might like it.

it has like 4 players and you can't play as a zombie. What kind of a fucking shitty game is this? Even in counter-strike you can have like 24 players, but here only 4. goddamn its bad

>>22559303
YOU KNOW GOD DAMNED WELL IT ISN'T THE 11TH YET YOU PIECE OF SHIT.

>>22559263
i will post my oppinion, but then valvefags will come, call me underage, troll, and retard, and say how this thing is not a mod and is obviusly GOTY

>>22559350
0/10

>>22559350
its a demo

you cna play zombies in the full game

>>22559303
We're all playing because A) We pre-ordered it

or

B) we used the gamestop pre-order exploitationalness

Has a surprising amount of replay value.

The Director is awesome. I just wish that you fucking faggots would stop setting of the fucking car alarm on purpose, especially on expert difficulty. It's NOT fucking cool.

>>22559394
lol, thats whats been pissing me off.

>>22559352
I honestly didn't know, I just know it comes out around the 18th and that I need to scrape together enough money to buy it (I have 30 dollars to my name.)
>>22559383
Care to embellish? You can send the information to the email that I've supplied under the email field if you don't wish to post it on here.

So, I didn't give a damn about this game, but then I saw people posting screenshots of it here, and now I want it. Should I get it for the 360 or for the PC?

>>22559468
Hur Hur twat

After 150 hours of Spy in TF2 I don't trust the Source engine enough to plop down $45 for a zombie shooting game where you probably get fucked over by shitty hitbox+lag compensation despite your perfectly good aim

Is anyone actually gonna play this on xboxlive???

I got caught with my dick in a blender over the orange box's shitty version of TF2 for 360

>>22559520
Jokes aside, any info? I can wait but I wouldn't mind having it early without having to preorder.
>>22559507
PC.

>>22559394
Thats what makes it BETTER!

Even expert is pretty easy. Its better when you have a bunch of zombies chasing you. Or you get to the checkpoint and your team is almost dead.

I've been to the last room in the demo on expert, with a team of full health, all with medi packs. Was boring.

I've also been to the last room with a team barely alive with no ammo. Shit was a LOT more fun.

>>22559555

>>22559263
>>What does /v/ think of L4D

looking at what valve did to tf2? they will release two patch, then they will drop it to make new weapons to some other shitty multiplayer game

t>>22559565
No point, the demo goes public tomorrow and the code takes up to 48 hours to get sent.

>>22559585

Don't give me that fucking reaction image

OVER 150 HOURS OF SPY. I HAVE PLENTY OF FIRST-HAND EXPERIENCE WITH WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT FOR IT TO BE MORE THAN A MERE TROLL. Fucking god damnit, /v/

>>22559582
Well, it is only the first two levels. I'm certain the later levels will be harder.

So are L4D servers all limited to a maximum of 4 people or what? It doesn't seem like a very large multiplayer game in terms of # of people playing a single game

>>22559603
Oh well, I really should be sleeping right now since I have classes from 4:40-9pm and 2 research papers due next week. Hmmm...

>>22559614
I think it was in reference to the whole
>Source engine enough to plop down $45 for a zombie shooting game

>>22559638
It'll be 8 in the full game, with 4 players taking the role of boss zombies.

It's a coop game mainly, there's not gonna be a high player cap.

>>22559555
yes, because there is a spy class with a stealth move in L4D.

You're a fucking idiot. See zombie. Shoot zombie. Zombie dies. You don't have time to worry about shitty hitboxes which only become a problem when you're sneaking up behind someone IN A TOTALLY DIFFERENT GAME

>>22559565
Is my comp good enough? I mean, it meets the min requirements, but this game is something I won't want to be lagging on or I'm fucked.

I really like the zombies animation. In lot of ghames, wwhen characther swich from one movement animation to another there's a weird jumping between them, but in this game is really fluid.

if you get it on pc, i'm sure people are gonna start modding all sorts of shit like more people worked into the game, or pushing the ai director to even crazier levels of zombietude

>>22559687
Drop 80 bucks on a 3.0 GHz cpu.

>>22559669

So, despite the two games running on the exact same fucking engine:

Shooting an enemy in the head with a sniper rifle will somehow result in often not getting a headshot kill in TF2 DESPITE SHOOTING HIM IN THE FUCKING HEAD, but will always work in L4D. Even though both games are using the exact same network code components and collision detection mathematics.

Way to miss the point, you stupid nigger

>>22559742
I think a friend of mine said I needed a new motherboard before I could upgrade the processor.

Good game. Very nice demo.

Most complaints against it will have little to do with actual gameplay. Like "Grrr that engine! It is like a mod!"

>>22559758
>Shooting an enemy in the head with a sniper rifle will somehow result in often not getting a headshot kill in TF2 DESPITE SHOOTING HIM IN THE FUCKING HEAD,

I've played TF2 a LOT, and used the Sniper a lot. I don't remember this EVER being a problem with the sniper. Just your connection bro. That or you're a shitty sniper.

I can't wait to guy it. (Britfag)

Also, in before people bitch about it being too easy but don't realise they suck.

>>22559762
Drop 180 bucks on upgrading your PC. What's your GFX card?

>>22559762
I have the feeling I made an idiot of myself with this post, but I'll be damned if I know how.

>>22559842
Nvidia 7900. Was a 6800 until last week.

>>22559687
Same CPU, 1,2gb ram and a 6600gt plays perfect for me.

>>22559555
Every time I snipe in TF2, I always get what I'm aim for. But you always have to calculate distance and movement speed in it. If you always miss, maybe it's not the hitbox, maybe you're just really lame, no? Especially as you say, you always play as spy, and it's backstab range is all around the character.

>>22559815

same. I've found headshots in tf2 to be an absolute breeze to get.

>>22559894
Sniping in TF2 is some of the best hit detection I've seen.
>>22559869
Just try out the demo tomorrow and see if it's good to go.

>>22559815
>Just your connection bro. That or you're a shitty sniper.

See, in the Quake 3 days I had a shitty ping and yet I managed to pretty much top the scoreboards on a regular basis playing Sniper all the time in Weapons Factory Arena. Quake 3's lag compensation was intuitive and logical. I would aim a certain number of milliseconds ahead of where I anticipate my target would be -- a lot like real-life sniping, only ping rather than physics dictates the bullet's "speed". But the Source engine's lag compensation is LOLRANDUM XD. Try the "aim ahead" trick based on ping, doesn't work. Then I see SUPAR SNIPARS in TF2 aiming where-the-enemy-was-x-milliseconds-ago and that seems to work... except when I do it. You can tell who played Counterstrike Source all the fucking time.

They just didn't plan the networking shit very well in the Source engine. I wouldn't care if this problem didn't spill over to where it affects the Spy, but when a Heavy is STANDING PERFECTLY STILL EATING A SANDVICH, and I STAB HIM WITH MY FUCKING CROSSHAIRS ON HIS BACK, and he DOESN'T DIE, then I have every right in the world to complain about Valve's incompetence.

>>22559950
I assume it's at gamestop.com, yes?

>>22559977
Just go on Steam, bro.

>>22559958

CSS - client side hit detection.
TF2 - server side hit detection.

Both have advantages and disadvantages, but for high ping intuitive playability, server side is generally better.

>>22560027

What was Quake 3 then?

If there's any fucking way to set TF2's client to work like how Quake 3 works, despite what the TF2 server does, I'm all ears.

>>22560027
Ugh, no. They use the exact same netcode.

>>22559958
...when Heavy is eating Sandvich you can't always backstab him because HE'S CONSTANTLY REFILLING LIFE YOU BOOB

SHODAN confirmed for Director on Expert.

>>22560026
You know, I've never actually used Steam before. It's updating now.

>>22560067

7/10, some people might fall for it

>>22559958
hitbox for spy can be off at times. The snipers headshot hitbox is never off.

Again, if your connection isnt shitty, you're just a shitty sniper.

As for Valves "incompetence", considering all the other shit thats gone into TF2, i'd hardly call them "incompetent". I imagine if they're still struggeling with the spy hitbox, THEN IT MUST BE PRETTY DIFFICULT TO PROGRAM.

It's ok.

>>22560086
Fucking probably, I remember that time someone triggered that car on mission one, I tought i'd make a run for it, but a smoker caught me as I started running, all team got wiped out.

>>22560058
Quake 3 and Resistance 2 have some of the best netcode seen in any game. Every honestly. Tf2's is extremely good and even on a shit dsl connection i can play competitively. I'm a soldier/scout/medic personally and more likely have more hours than you do combined in just one of those classes. TLDR YOU SUCK HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
ps.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>22560106

CAN VALVE AT LEAST TRY TO FIX IT SO A PYRO CAN'T SET ME ON FIRE IF HE'S NOT EVEN FACING ME?

It's alright. Lacking alot of content right now, but it's Valve, they'll patch some in. And speaking of patches, I won't be buying this until it starts getting some.

>>22560126

0/10

Not creative at all, put some thought and passion into it

HAHAHA OH WOW people now are defending the shitty hit box detection from source?

because being killed by bullets than turn corners is fucking awesome

>>22560106
>The snipers headshot hitbox is never off.

The act of shooting some guy in the head, with the visible bloodshot on his face to prove it, would disagree.

>>22559687
I think you'll be okay cause 3500 > 2.4Ghz.
AMD cpus perform better than intel processors at the same clock speed.
Also: get cpu-z, determine socket type, check amd site for processors using that socket.

>>22560216
Bloodsplatters are calculated client side to shave off some strain on the server dipshit.

>>22560176

That's just basic lagcomp, you dickweed.

>>22560232

And they still reflect exactly where you shot the target, so nothing you say invalidates anything I said.

>>22560216
I'm not angry at you anymore, because I realise you're actually an idiot.

>>22560254

Didn't happen in Quake 3

>>22560267
Yes it does. It prooves your connection is shit. Your the only one having trouble sniping in tf2. I give you a 2 outta 3 choice

1)You suck
2)Your connection sucks
3)Shut the fuck up

The ONLY time the Source netcode can be considered "shoddy" is when either YOU have a high ping or the person you're shooting at does.

If everyone has a low ping, the netcode is fine. Well, unless you're running shitty rates/interp.
But even the default is fine nowadays, with the introduction of cl_interp_ratio.

>>22560316
I've never had a ping above 225. I mainly play on the Q Rotation, 0 Bullshit, and TFR servers though.

the sort of crazy hitbox antics you are describing sounds like someone trying to play on 56k or a connection that someone else is downloading porn with.

I have never seen shit like that, and i've tossed in a few hundred hours into tf2. Closest thing i've seen were maybe a dozen face stabs spread out over my total game time, but that was it.

tl-dr get a better connection, bro

To all the people arguing with the guy whos bawwwing over hitboxes. Bare in mind he said earlier that he's played "150 hours of Spy in TF2 ".

As much as he hates the hitboxes, and calls Valve incompetent, and wouldn't waste $45 on a zombie shooting game, he's still managed to enjoy TF2 for 150 hours.

Something doesn't quite make sense here....

>>22560315
>2)Your connection sucks

BETTER THAN IT WAS IN MY QUAKE 3 DAYS WHEN I COULD HEADSHOT ANYTHING THAT MOVED. And that game had even tinier hitboxes for the heads.

How about
4) You don't know anything about networking or programming, and push one of Valve's biggest faults on its customers rather than its own employees

>>22560312

Yeah, instead, when it looked like you got a definite kill on somebody, they strangely didn't die. It just shifts the rage to the person who took the shot, rather than the person who ate a bullet.

i think the only people who won't like left4dead are the gamers who only play slow shooters and RPGs that can't handle the HOLYFUCKGETOUTOFTHERE OH GOD HELP ME SHITSHITSHIT aspect of it.

Also great netplay, even on my shitty, unreliable dorm connection I've only seen lag once.

Only thing I don't like is that you can't really tell if a player quit - theres been games where the entire time i was talking to a bot and wondering why he was ignoring me.

>>22560372
I can snipe people well, here, your whole argument is now shit down the drain.

>>22560350
>I've never had a ping above 225

Uh... your ping should always be under 100, bro. Preferably ~60 or lower.

>>22559394

when i play expert with people, i yell out, IMMA DO IT! and everyone goes FUCK YEA MOAR ZUMBAYS!

*WEEE**WOOO**WEEE**WOOO**WEEE**WOOO**WEEE**WOOO*


wurghaurhguahraruarhaguarharuahgauhrWHAUWRHARAGHGHARHUAHRAGUHAYRAHR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>22560372
Forget your connection bro. YOU ARE JUST SHIT AT TF2.

Plenty of people here have said , even with their shit connections, that the hitboxes are fine. People with good connections say its fine. AND YET HERE YOU ARE, APPARENTLY UNABLE TO KILL ANYTHING CAUSE THE HITBOXES ARE SO FUCKED.

The truth it, you are just not very good at TF2.

>>22560372
HURR QUAKE 3.
Look your on v. No one gives a shit how much of a hot shot you thought you were playing against hardcore bots. I'm a doomer if you wanna bring up skill into the equation i'll be more than happy to boot up zdaemon and whoop your ass sideways.

>>22560372
how about quake 3 is a much older game with a fraction of the system requirements, that you manages to get really used to.

Stop living in the past, gramps. Your 28.8k doesn't cut it anymore. also Chekoslovakia is two countries now, and there's no more berlin wall.

>>22560436
it usually is. Just sometimes you get on some really bad servers and even then it's never gone higher than that is all i'm saying

>>22560404
>Yeah, instead, when it looked like you got a definite kill on somebody, they strangely didn't die.

Quake 3's lag compensation is more balanced than Source's

Consider a sniper with 500ms ping

In Quake 3, it is entirely that sniper's responsibility to aim a half second ahead. Fair to the sniper? No, but it was fair to the person being hit. Because...

In the Source engine, a Sniper with 500ms ping can aim directly at the person he wants dead. Well, if that person managed to take cover in less than half a second, too bad -- you basically just got headshot through a fucking solid wall.

Quake 3's lag compensation was easy to get used to, more than it sounds like. Team Fortress 2's lag compensation is unpredictable and it's basically a roll of dice when it decides who it wants to fuck over.

It's fun to throw molotovs at the saferoom door as everyone is walking in

>>22560475

>>22560363

Also, spy is by far the most borked. I've backstabbed an engy, sapped his sentry, and got ready for my victory incandescence at the behest of a passing pyro, only to find that A) the engy is alive B) the sentry is sapped C) the sentry killed me, a sequence of events that could only take place in some bizarre nega-dimension where basic causality doesn't apply.

Also can't count the number of times someone spun around to face me after I heard the backstab connect, and counted 1-Mississippi just to make sure.

>>22560462
>Plenty of people here have said

You posting several times isn't a plural amount of people, bro

>>22560404
>>Yeah, instead, when it looked like you got a definite kill on somebody, they strangely didn't die. It just shifts the rage to the person who took the shot, rather than the person who ate a bullet.

the funny part is how BOTH CASES HAPPEN IN TF2

you can see blood all over the place if you headshot a medic yet LOL HE DIDNT DIE AT 100% CHARGE

or

You turn the corner? TO BAD YOU DIE ANYWAY

>>22560429

Nope, YouTube videos of EXPART SNIPARS disprove you.

You'll see them get headshots in which, well, nobody is visibly inside their scope. And yet they weren't aiming ahead of the person, but where that person was HUNDREDS OF MILLISECONDS AGO.

That's where the LOLRANDUM comes in. I can accept Sniper having to aim ahead-of-time (as in real life), and I can accept the game letting the Sniper shots be determined client side (you see the headshot, you get the headshot, even if it wasn't "actually" a true shot to the server)... but aiming where-the-target-WAS? Fuck no, shitty netcode is shitty.

Face, bitch

I love valvefags

apparently valve comes from heaven and only make PERFECT GAMES AND WHO EVER SAID OTHERWAYS IS A TROLL AND A UNDERAGE IDIOT

>>22560511

How the fuck is "aim at the person you intend to shoot with a bullet" hard to get used to? If you get sniped in the head, you get sniped in the head. A good sniper can take your face off regardless of how long you were in his field of vision. It's fair to everybody in the same way; it's not like the game is about dodging bullets (rockets, yes, but not bullets).

>>22560727
Scroll up to see many people disagreeing that L4D is a perfect game.

Anyone else get a kick out of these guys?

They make me laugh more than anything in the game. Especially when their AI tries it's hardest to get to you from behind an obstacle (espcially in the turbine room), seeing this fat fuck jump up and down fruitlessly is lol inducing.

On a sidenote, if my team has been particulary full of faggotry I enjoy pushing a boomer onto their general position and blowing it up if they haven't gotten to it first.

BAWWWWWWWW Why isn't TF2 Quake?


Also, the problem isnt hitboxes, its the netcode.

>>22560027
>for high ping intuitive playability, server side is generally better

ahahah oh wow

>>22560775
>"aim at the person you intend to shoot with a bullet"

But that isn't how TF2's sniping works. I don't know how many more times I have to repeat myself here

>>22560854
It works that way for me. I'll put the cursor over the head, click, and half a second later I'll hear that satisfying THUNK and my kill will pop up in the corner.

>>22560775
I was a semi-pro Sniper in DoDS and I can't hit shit in TF2. The netcode is horrible. And no, it's not the same.

>>22560854

Yes it does. Nobody aims where the person used to be. That's just a result of the recording software. If you spec a sniper, you'll see the same shit happen, because there's, and here's the shocker, latency between you and the sniper. Those hundreds of milliseconds ago, the sniper was aiming at where he saw the person's head. If you ever played as sniper, you would know that.

>>22560937
Wait

You play DoD:S and then you try calling TF2's netcode horrble?


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>22560854
Stop argueing with casuals over such things. they are not even remotely in touch enough with games to even realize such things.
Also TF2 sniping sucks, actually any class for that matter.

>>22561003
I Lol'd with you on that

It's a fun game

>>22561003
So you actually wanna say that DoD:S doesn't have the best netcode of every Source game? Way to be a lowie.
fucking casuals should stop posting when intelligent people are talking...

>>22561003
>horrble

>>22561097
SHUT THE FUCK UP BEAR, YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO PLAY GAMES, YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE HANDS

Oh hey a L4D thread, let's talk about netcode and other irrelevant bullshit.
If you hate Valve, you hate Valve because it's popular, or because you saw a fanboy at one point.

>>22560937
It is the same. Same engine, same netcode.

>>22561147

I WAITED FOR YOU, ANON

>>22561003
Best netcode ever, also actually fund and skillful sniping. (hurr stand and charge mah lazer hur)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgGBgCzHcWA
first vid I saw, qualy sucks skill is awesome.

>>22561167

or STEAM.

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>>22561212
Are you trying to pretend to be me? i mean what the hell?

>>22561203
no.

>>22561315
i lol'd

I get bored of the demo after a couple rounds. But then later I want to play again.

>>22561318
Yes. You're retarded if you think otherwise.

All Source games use the same engine and netcode.

>>22560984

But those videos are of them recording themselves, not from secondary spectators recording them...

Netcode talk! My favourite subject!

I personally prefer as well how Quakes handled the whole lag thing. Hate to get sniped around corners. In my time, when terms High Ping Bastard and Low Ping Bastard were commonly used, it was really cool to own a whole server with a 56k modem and 300 ping or so. I don't like at all how I can be shot through/behind a wall in Source games.

I haven't had a lot of that "shoot someone in the face, there's the blood decal but no damage" thing in TF2, only when it comes to scouts, but Dystopia has it a lot with all those lights running around with leg boosters. A shame really.

As for OP and >>22559555, I don't think the Source netcode will be that much of a problem when you play against AI creatures, because there's only interpolation from one player. Of course, in the versus more, it might get clunky when trying to shoot at hunters leaping around.

Also, you can play as infected in the demo already: First, enable cheats with "sv_cheats 1", then type "ent_fire !self setteam 3", then type "z_spawn (Boss monster you want to spawn as, e.g. smoker)".

>>22561248
Looks like aimbotting to me
(on press, autoadjust + corsair over head autofire)

What is Panic Mode?

>>22561446
>crosshair

>>22561411
Jesus casuals, just shut the hell up. They are similiar in structure but no the fucking same little brat.

>>22561525
No, Anonymous, you are the casuals.

>>22561446
That's not an aimbot, I can assure you. Also, aimbots don't "swing" they go directly at the target not in a curve.

>>22561482

Thanks asshole

Reinstalling

>>22561525
They are the same. The exact same. The only time they haven't been the same was when the Orange box was first released and TF2 was the only game to use the new interp commands, but they've been introduced to all the other Source games since then.

This is cold, hard fact. Look it up.

Or post some proof that they aren't the same. And don't give me your bullshit anecdotal "BUT I CANT HIT ANYTHING IN TF2 IT MUST BE THE NETCODE!!!" rubbish.

>>22561553
It is, learn to program set random swing speed settings and bezier curve paths for a more realistic swing. Aimbotting isn't as hurr durr blatant as all the leeched content makes it out to be.

>>22561572
No prob bro

>>22561628
It's not an aimbot and I know that because that's me playing..

Public beta tomorrow, yes?

>>22561628
>bezier curve paths

mspaint user who's never heard of quaternions and their appropriate domain of usage

>>22561657

I predict I will be putting many hours into this.

>>22561606
Ya well bro, a huge chunk of the competitive community would like to have a word with you.
Also, if you need someone to tell you that TF2's netcode sucks then there is no need to argue wth you, good day Sir.

>>22561682
beziers look a lot more realistic as it provides that up and down jitter from snapshot snipers as they focus in. But it doesn't matter since the adjustment is virtually in milliseconds, it's all in how you sell the poison in the long run.

Between 4 people, we should be able to light up a lot of shit with our flashlights, but instead only my flashlight actually works. The rest are just little transparent white cones.

I hate it.

>>22561829
full game will have that enabled.

/v/'s first favorite game

>>22561917
I think you mean Fallout 3

It's an amazing game.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CirgVj8Baw