By not being motherfucking George W. Bush.

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BROBAMA FIST, IF YOU DON'T POST 5 BROBAMA FISTS TO THIS BROBAMA FIST, THEN YOU ARE NOT AN BROBAMA

He said

Tax the rich

Give breaks to everyone else

That's precisely why I didn't vote for him. I don't think he has a plan, at least not a new or revolutionary one. America isn't going to get any better or any worse, because quite honestly, there isn't anything to do about it. You would have to completely overhaul our entire system to see any sort of changes.

>>22329138
NOT SPECIFIC ENOUGH

>>22329208

...yeah it is.

The only people in America that don't pay taxes are now going to be taxed the most, because they have the most to give.

That's pretty specific. It just a matter of how the government plans on getting that money turned into loans.

>>22329305
I say we tax everyone equally. EGALITARIANISM!

>>22329305
THIS IS WHAT DEMOCRATS ACTUALLY BELIEVE

>>22329341 I'm rich.

Fix'd.

No, you don't get to exploit tax loopholes anymore.

>>22329341
let's say 10% tax on income.
The guy who makes 20 000 loses 2000.
The guy who wins 200 000 loses 20000.
Whos gonna have a harder time surviving?

>>22329465

The guy who makes $200,000 obviously as the $20,000 guy is going to eat him once desperation sets in.

spoilers: taxing the rich means less rich people

the bush tax cuts RAISED tax revenue

>>22329465
Tough luck if you don't make as much. Get out there and DO STUFF. Anyone can make it. Get a good edcuation, get a good job.

OP is a butthurt Republifag.

video games are my favorite video games

>>22329587
more spoilers: taxing the rich means less jobs. less jobs means more poor people. more poor people means more welfare. more welfare means more taxing of the rich.

I don't understand why you bleeding heart fruitcakes think this Democratic cycle of fail is going to help our country in any way.

>>22329587
No, it just means no private jet or third house. It's not like they'll be taxed into poverty.

>>22329689
they still live with mommy and daddy who are paying all their bills and since they've never had a job, they still believe that anyone with a job is a neverending fountain of money that they can partake of with no outside consequences

>>22329590

Most people without an education don't make even $20,000. And that's working full time.

Even an associates degree is past their financial ability. "Accumulated wealth" is a term for a reason.

>>22329062
Just like FDR

He and other Congressmen recently signed the bailout bill remember? He doesn't know shit. Let's just hope his advisors do.

i am a heron i ahev a long neck and i pick fish out of the water w/ my beak if you don't repost this comment on 10 other pages i will fly into your kitchen tonight and make a mess of your pots and pans

>>22329062
This is the same tired old argument used by every conservative nutjob. He stated over and over again. In debates. Speeches. A thirty minute infomercial.

Have you been following this election at all?

>>22329689
THIS. The rich provide the jobs, how is taxing the rich supposed to lower poverty?

And his "tax cuts" to the working families? They're just welfare checks. Those people don't pay taxes anyways, and it's impossible to cut something that doesn't exist.

>>22329689 taxing the rich means less jobs

What are you talking about? Rich people are hiring like no other. Wal Mart has decided to take advantage of the economic problems to increase their workforce by hundreds of thousands.

Most people work for someone in the MIDDLE CLASS. Mom and pop stores, small businesses, etc.

>>22329730
i'm not talking about how much you think is fair, i'm talking about FACTS. when the government wants less of something, they put a tax on it. want less people buying cigarettes and alcohol? sin tax. less people buying foreign goods? tariff. putting a tax on high income is no different, you're going to get fewer people with high income, thats how it works. less people in the higher tax brackets means less money coming in. since "tax the rich fuckers" is the entire lynchpin of this obama plan, i'm struggling to see what he thinks the outcome is, unless he WANTS everyone to be poor and dependant on government handouts

>>22329905
THAT'S BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT BEING TAXED SO MUCH RIGHT NOW.

>>22329404 I'm poor and butthurt.

Fix'd.

Deal.

>>22329934

No, its because how much Wal Mart's executives are taxed is not correlated with hiring practices.

Hiring employees for a large corporation is trivial.

>>22329996

Guess again.

You don't know anything about me.

>>22329769
people without education that make less than 20k are also known as young people

>>22329905
Maybe if you live in small towns or in the country. But if you live in a city, that's a way different story. Also, where do you think Wal Mart's labor force comes from? It's all the poor lazy hicks, illegals, and black people who beg for money from the state because they're too useless to make something of themselves. I don't see any value in giving those wards of the state my money just so they can continue to buy drugs, alcohol, and expensive electronics. As long as the Democrats have money or a group of people who actually earned their money to tax, those whiny little bitches will keep underachieving and crying about how "hard" they have it.

>>22329862

HAHAHAHAHAHA. He still gave no specifics. Just a bunch of bullshit about helping the poor, bridging the wealth gap, blah blah blah. He has not outlined an actual plan, and anything that he has, has no realistic chance of actually happening, eg the stuff on his website that appear to be drawing funding out of thin air. God damn liberals are dense.

tl;dr The country is fucked either way. Neither candidate would have been able to completely rescue the economy. The president barely has any influence on the economy anyway.

>>22329934

That's a great idea.

Let's replace all of the jobs in the middle and lower classes with jobs at Wal Mart, because the rich are taking advantage of the situation to their benefit.

This will surely benefit the other classes. Nothing should be done, and the rich should be encouraged.

HURRR HURR I DONT WANT TO SCHOOL AND GET A GOOD JOB I WANT YOUR MONEY, HARD WORKERS GIMME GIMME GIMME BAWWWWWWWWW

>>22330166

Wal Mart jobs are better than no jobs

>>22330124
actually i think that is his plan. tax the fuck out of the people supporting the economy, send checks to people not paying taxes

WHAT COULD POSSIBLY GO WRONG?

>>22330094

Nope.

Once you get older you have to start saving for retirement, and any increase in pay gets pretty much absorbed by that. If you start out with $20,000, by the time you're 50, you'll still only be making about $30,000 so that you'll have something for when you're too old to work.

>>22329730

Third house and private jet = more jobs and stronger economy you stupid fucker!

40% of people don't pay taxes anyway, Obama just wants to give them money out of 'fairness'

fucking socialist crap

>>22329769
So what happened to them after High School? They didn't want to go to college? Guess what, that's THEIR fault. Student loans are there for a reason. Sure you may spend some time paying it back but at least you finish college with a good education (If you went to a good college) which will give you a better chance of finding a good job.

>>22330141
Pretty much true, but then again, the President doesn't actually have much power to begin with. Hate to break it to you civvies, but he's just a figurehead.

>>22329689
Supply and demand mother fucker have you heard of it?

>>22330201

True, but that line is repeated most by the rich. For a reason.

I'm just using Wal Mart as an example. This is not a bad situation for the rich in a lot of respects. In the long term they stand the most to gain from all of this.

By bankrupting coal, for one.

ITT 4chan politics, i.e. no one understands anything

you know what could fix our economic problems. GETTING THOSE LAZY ASS DISABLED, CHEROKEE, 80+ NIGGERS JOBS

THE ECONOMY SUCKS BECAUSE YOU LAZY FUCKERS WONT GET JOBS OR GO TO SCHOOL AND EVENTUALLY END UP HOMELESS BECAUSE YOURE PARENTS DIE IN A CAR ACCIDENT OR SOME STUPID WORTHLESS SHIT

YOU'RE ON THE COMPUTER ALL DAY GET A MOTHERFUCKING A+ CERTIFICATE AND GET PAID TO SIT ON YOUR ASS AND TINKER WITH COMPUTERS

>>22330177
Do you even understand where taxes go? Even if that shit happens the amount of money that goes to that is paltry compared to every other real issue. Some poor are getting a small amount of my tax money bawwww! Whereas hundreds of billions are being wasted by other real issues but I still hate the poor more!

>>22330242
if you only make a maximum of 30,000 your whole life then you're doing it wrong. i make more than that working during school

>>22330256 Guess what, that's THEIR fault

No, actually its not.

There's a difference between being successful and making enough money to own a single car and one bathroom house. Just because you don't want to be a dentist or lawyer doesn't mean its your fault you aren't allowed to make enough money in society to function.

ITT: Spoiled white suburban rich kids whining about how people working 2 jobs for 20k/year are lazier than they are while they sit around on the internet leeching off daddies dick.

>>22330391
the real problem is taxing the rich though

>>22330457
most locksmiths that work for a company make 75,000+ a year. There's other options than dentist

>>22330391
Most of the poor isnt doing SHIT and its bullshit they get ANY money in the first place, do you think rich people just appear out of no where with a lot of money?

hurr hurr i work at burger king money plz auhahuauhaa

>>22330509
The poor are poor because after welfare they're expected to pay back every. single. cent. With a high ass interest rate. The longer you stay on welfare the bigger a hole your digging yourself.

>>22330484
ITT: Spoiled white suburban rich kids whining about how people working 2 jobs for 20k/year don't get paid enough while they sit around on the internet leeching off daddies dick.

>>22329863
Taxing the rich lowers poverty because the money that the rich part with is distributed into government funded programs.

Let me lay it straight for you.

Rich people HAVE the money to be taxed. So fucking tax them.

Poor people DON'T have as much money to be taxed. So don't fucking tax them as much.

It's not like they're taking the rich money away and giving it to poor faggots who haven't earned it. The money is being put in a multitude of places. It's absurd if you think that the wealthiest people in America shouldn't be taxed more than the poorest.

Sage for Obama

>>22330422

Welcome to reality, where some people work in steel mills and factories, and improving their lives would mean uprooting everything and possibly destroy their lives.

You think college is easy because you have nothing to lose (and neither do I). My uncle immigrated from Mexico and works 40 hours a week with a damaged knee for a railroad company. He didn't get a chance, and if it wasn't for Habitat for Humanity he wouldn't have a home right now.

>>22330484
If they are seriously making THAT much working their asses off their retarded to not find a new job

holy shit are you serious

>>22330484
Not quite jealous welfare case No. 265897. Go suck Obama's dick a little more, I don't think you lubed him up enough for when he shoves it up all of our asses.

>>22330547
This. And let's not forget the BILLIONS SPENT OVERSEAS IN IRAQ.

Yeah, let's not blame the Republicans for that one!

>>22330604
>>22330567
I reiterate. People makin that little just got off welfare. Ie they have bad credit therefor no one will fucking hire them because they owe like 40 grand with interest to the goverment. Yea thanks for lending me this money instead of forcing me into a job.

>>22330457
Well if they willingly chose a low-paying career, they should stop fucking complaining. 'DURR HURR I DONT WANT HIGH PAYING JOB, BUT GIVE ME MONEY PLZ KTHX'

He said invest in infrastructure (ala new deal), remove tax breaks for job outsourcing, create new energy plans for job creation in america...

are you so fucking retarded?

I mean it isnt like us liberals dont understand john mccains messages and plans, we just think ours are better, retarded conservatives are just completely misinformed

TAWMMY GUNNN

>>22330567
>My uncle immigrated from Mexico

theres your problem

he needs to be a legal citizen first to have ANY creditability to that information

sorry pal

>>22330644
LOL YEA FUCKING REPUBLICANS BOMBING US. WAY TO GO. WE SHOULD'VE JUST SAT BACK AND TOOK IT. LAWLAWLAWL ILLUMINATI LAWLAWLAWL IT R CONSPIRACY LOOSE CHANGE WATCH IT NAOW.
>>22330639
have you ever been poor enough to have to be on welfare?

You can't tax the rich more, because they already pay the majority of taxes! If you tax them more, than they won't be able to contribute as much to the economy!

Wait...

>>22330656

What the fuck are you talking about?

I'm not talking about welfare at all, you dumbshit.

>>22330547

This is the most short sighted thing I've ever read on 4chan.

Can you not comprehend why it can be considered good to allow the rich to spend/invest their money as they please rather than taking it from them? Then you truly are ignorant.

>>22330547
thats nice of you to "lay it straight" like that, but here's how it works, how it's always worked, and how every bit of history and evidence will show you that it's worked

more taxes on rich people leads to less rich people

less rich people means less jobs

less rich people and less jobs means less tax revenue

now how are you going to support all those programs?

>>22330723
Afghanistan was fine.

Iraq? You can't possibly justify that. Republicans fucked it up, now Democrats have to clean up the mess.

But hey, keep bitching, it's fine! We won. YOU LOST.

sage

>>22330716

He's been a legal citizen for 25 years.

Sorry to burst your prejudice bubble.

>>22330769
And you don't explain "how" it leads to less jobs. You just say it does.

You're not selling anybody.

Last time I checked, we barely had a debt under Clinton. Bush swoops in and look at us now. Look at the economy! Come on. Take a look.

Your butthurt denial is amusing.

>>22330644
Because a very large number of Democrats didn't also agree to that war, amirite? I think everyone needs to stop getting their "facts" from campaign commercials. The war wasn't any one persons fault. The whole government pretty much agreed to it. Seriously, stop saying that Bush is the one who made us go to war. HE WASN'T ALONE YOU KNOW! Politicians from both sides agreed to it, stop trying to place all the blame on a select few individuals when it's actually a lot bigger than that.

>>22330102
You honestly believe that don't you? That all your tax money is going to poor people who all abuse the system and are the only ones.
>>22329689
Taxing the rich is just that, taxing the rich. If a company is successful enough it will expand in order to meet demand thus creating more jobs. Creating jobs is not about how much a company is being taxed, hell its not even necessarily about how much profit they are making but whether expanding will be profitable, therefore a worthwhile investment. If a company starts to stagnate regardless of whether its profitable it will suffer, thats whats more likely to cut jobs, when a companies profit growth doesn't meet a certain percentage which causes share holders to loose confidence in a company, said company will try to do what it can to improve profits one being cutting jobs.

>>22330778
Yes it is totally justifiable if you didn't live in a rock your whole life and listen solely to what the media tells you. I'm democrat by the way.

>>22330768
Can you not understand that if the middle class has no money they can't buy rich people's shit?

>>22330875
If we give the poor people more money the middle class will be eliminated leaving you with. People in mansions. And people in duplex's.

>>22330768 Can you not comprehend why it can be considered good to allow the rich to spend/invest their money as they please rather than taking it from them?

Considering the rich generally do not pay taxes, the idea of a tax on them of any kind is an improvement, and they'll still have lots of money to invest.

>>22330509
What the fuck are you talking about? I merely said that really isn't one of the major issues when it comes to taxes and money.

ITT: Butthurt republitards afraid of being less rich

>>22330862
We went in because of "weapons of mass destruction"

Protip: That's what the media told us

We didn't find any, now did we? Just fuck off, you were obviously 8 years old when this shit even started.

>>22330817
yeah go ahead and play the fucking prejudice card you piece of shit, it doesnt work here at a place like this

The word immigrated sends the wrong messages

You "immigrated" from Mexico.

You "move" from France

Just say moved if he was a fucking liable citizen for 25 years, I have every right to suspect he's illegal if you're going to use the wrong vocabulary

>>22330567
habitat is great, i'm glad its around.

what does a private christian charity have to do with government welfare though?

>>22330998
I hope you enjoy being poor. Democrat. I'll go back to getting my ass massaged by 20 asian whores and eating fresh dolphin off the back of a 14 year old russian imported slave while you tax me.

Nobody in this thread makes 250k a year.

>>22331013

No, it means you chose to be prejudice without evidence simply because it provided you with an excuse to discount my story.

Why the fuck do any of you care about this shit anyways? You fucking pirate games, so it's not like you need money......and even if you became homeless somehow you still have your dses and psps, so shut the fuck up. Only thing i fucking cared about was the net neutrality act, and now that shit is pretty much out of the picture. Quit fucking lying to yourselves and stop being asshats.

ITT people who felt nothing from Obama's speech.

>>22331115
Also, why the fuck do you care about poor people? THey can fucking die, I am trying to be rich, not some stupid nigger living in a crack house with hood rats.

>>22331038

Nothing, I'm merely illustrating that his primary goal, which is simply living, and later was the living of the family he raised here, was in no way handed to him and LOL GO TO COLLEGE does not apply in all situations. He needed a charity to simply own a home, and he has worked hard his entire life. College is not an answer.

>>22331094
Who cares about evidence, I suspect your story is bullshit, in short "I don't believe you."

Again, your prejudice card does not work here.

>>22331187
He exists so that i can have a comfortable ass life. I guess i should thank him sometime if i ever get around to it.

>>22331119
>>ITT people who fell for nothing from Obama's speech.
You are so right.

>>22331119
Obama had a speech?

McCain was just as vague, even more so, and he associated himself with elements no politician has any business associating with.

And if you must know, redistribution of the flow of tax while giving those who are having trouble improving their livelihoods because they're just trying to even stay afloat in the current economic environment more of a chance to do so is sound, because many of those said people are a part of the American work force. It has the potential to free some of the burden on those who can just barely pay for themselves which can encourage consumerism as well as other things like investing because they're not trying so hard to just stay alive.

And it makes more sense than a tax vacation.

I didn't vote for him because he's black thank you very much, that's just an extra perk.

>>22331119
BLACK PEOPLE CAN SPEAK!

>>22330930

http://www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php?Article_ID=15117

>>22330829
1. I have never been a fan of Bush, so I won't defend him, although it surprises me that Democrats hate him so much, he did all the kinds of stupid shit they love. All in the name i suppose.
2. A government surplus is a bad thing for the economy, i wish people would stop giving Clinton credit for that.
3. The economy during Clinton's administration had nothing to do with anything Clinton did.

But that's enough of your little digression. I'd love to discuss how the 90s economy was incidental to Clinton and not because of anything he did, but that's entirely beside the point.

Less rich people leads to less jobs because they hold the capital. If they can't afford it, it will go to someone richer, leading to monopolies, or just go away, meaning less jobs. Pretty basic stuff.

>>22331201 I don't believe you

Yeah you do, that's why you tried to claim he's an illegal.

>>22330829

International Debt was still their. He solved the National Debt by pulling money out of social security bonds and claimed a "surplus" of money. Until he spent all of it...One of the reasons why social security sucks.

>>22330769

How does rich people getting taxed make less rich people? It seems like you'd have the same amount of rich people, just with less money. I mean, they have to be rich in order to be taxed in the first place.

>>22331281
blah blah blah, shut the fuck up you lying piece of shit. WHy the fuck should you care about any of this? You're just some fucking middle class white kid who has it good.
Quit fucking acting like you're some humitarian or some shit.

Also, why in the fuck do any of you care about the war in iraq at all? Has it even affected you in the slightest?

>>22331316
their

>>22331316
Come on, Social Security has always been the President's private bank account.

>>22331345
If you think our billions spent overseas in Iraq hasn't affected the economy in the slightest, then you should just shut the fuck up.

No, I'm serious. Shut the fuck up and get the fuck out.

>>22331338

Sounds like socialism with a mix of communism. EVERYONE MUST BE EQUAL IN CLASS.

Retards.

Look, society needs the service and labor force no matter how much you dislike them, not every can be rich, shit doesn't work that way. Why can't everybody just be rich? That's got to be one of the dumbest things I've ever heard. You think every body can have a high paying job one of the reasons a lot of jobs pay so much is because there are a limited amount of such jobs and a limited amount of qualified workers.

>>22331381
Not the fucking economy, i mean you. Have you fucking lost a job? Are you receiving less? Less hours? anything at all?

>>22331000
I hope you realize that even if they found some, you would never be told. However, you are right, they didn't find any and there's a reason for it. They were moved into Iran, where we are not allowed to look, at least not legally.

>>22331390
>they'd still be rich
>be rich
>rich

>>22331310
Clinton redistributed finances into different government programs to alleviate the money that was being sunk into worthless areas that were digging us into a hole.

Again, you're just saying shit without any evidence. You're just saying it as if we'll all politely agree with you.

You're wrong, and you're a dumbass.

>>22331397

Exactly. A large middle class drives an economy. If everyone was rich, no one is rich.

>>22331390

How does having rich people make everyone equal in class?

>>22331442
What?
how do you even know this?

Nobody is saying that Obama/Dems want socialism. Rather we just want to lessen the massive burden on the middle/low class so we can actually spend and invest money for once.