IT'S WORSE

YOU LOSE MONIES AND INTERACT WITH NECKBEARD CASHIERS

The only difference is that gamestop gets money for doing nothing, except price gouging.

>>21514901
>anime picture
>trollan

Except you don't need a modchip.

>>21514919

both people got the game and will either love it or hate it.

>>21514901

This is the best thing I've ever heard in my life.

Well, recently. In my life, recently.

>>21514901
Well, you're wrong.

I'm pretty sure game designers would agree with OP

>>21514901
Yes it is, you lose money if you buy a used game.

Man buys hammer, and re-sells it to 5 people.
Producer profits from the sale of 1 hammer, 5 people enjoy the hammer.

Man buys game, and re-sells it to 5 people.
Producer profits from the sale of 1 game, 5 people enjoy the game.

How exactly are the game producers somehow worse off here?

Companies get a cut of used game sales

when a used game is bought, it's simply one copy changing hands. Every used game in existence has been paid for new at some point. The developer has already gotten that money.

Now can you say the same thing about piracy? I think not.

old and refuted thread is old and refuted

>>21515693
Since when?

>>21515674

common sense bro. torrents can supply hundreds of thousands and maybe even millions of users with the game one or two days after release. used games usually won't be found in stores until the orginal owner beats it or something. even if you consider the worse case scenarios, developers at least have a stronger leg to stand on with pirating.

>>21515776
from game shops at least

>>21515732
Someone had to buy the game to crack it. He is just really fucking good at sharing his hammer.

The real question is how many of the people who pirate games would have bought their own copies of those games if pirating was not an option.

>>21515833
He didn't share his hammer, he made copies of it.

>>21515833
there's a big difference when the man buys the hammer, and then clones five copies of that hammer and gives it to his friends, who now have the convenience of owning the hammer and can use it when and as they wish, eliminating any incentive to buy a hammer of their own.

>>21515814
I think you are wrong about that.

Oh little Washu, is there anything you don't know?

>>21515888
it'd explain why gamestop will buy a game from me for 3 bucks and then sell it for 25.

>>21515903

I don't care what anyone says when this is posted. This is the most accurate thing ever posted on /v/.

>>21515903
The Wii and the PSP are lesbian lovers?

>>21515674
WHAT MAKES YOU THINK HAMMER PRODUCERS ARE NOT CONCERNED ABOUT THIS?!

FUCK THIS SECOND HAND SHIT, PEOPLE SHOULD COME AND BUY OUR HAMMERS AS THEY COME FROM THE FACTORY.

YOU WANT TO BORROW A HAMMER FROM YOUR NEIGHBOR? FUCK YOU, YOU THIEF. GO BUY ONE.

>>21515910
No, that's just because they can make a ton of money when they do that.

>>21515942
read
>>21515886

sharing and making copies are different.

FUCK YEAH WASHU

MIND. BLOWN.

>>21515674
They didn't sell 5 games to 5 people, they sold 1 game to 5 people.

Do the fucking math.

>>21514901
mai waifu

>>21514901
This makes a lot of sense. If you buy a use game does Capcom get that money? Nope. Game Stop does.

>>21516111
capcom already got the money for the specific worn copy you're purchasing.

>>21516140
They got the money from that one guy who bought the game that me and 1 million other people are downloading too.

>>21515958
The thing is, producers are also capable of making copies. And they can make disproportionate amounts of money on those copies.

Producing software is NOT producing a hammer. It costs a lot of money to make, but when one item is made, making more is trivial afterwards. Don't get me wrong, piracy isn't "right" or anything, but it's simply an indirect loss. If you're concerned about piracy, you're either a greedy businessman fuck, or a retarded consumer slave.

>>21516005

Do the math yourself retard. Developer sells 1 copy, copy gets sold on to 5 different people. In both cases the developer is only compensated for 1 sale, yet I don't see the hand-tool industry screaming and implementing DRM to stop sale of used hammers.

Software industry seems to think they're special and different.

NO YOU

This thread is full of trolls and guilty consciousnesses.

>>21516235
the thing is, people constantly borrowing hammers or using old, worn out hammers still have incentive to buy a new one of their own.

That incentive doesn't exist when you have perfect copies everywhere.

>>21516188
Oh yes. Of course. After I sell that one copy of my game that I spent years making, I'll certainly have enough money to survive long enough to make another game. You're brilliant. Can I hire you as my financial advisor you MORON.

ITT: Software developers build a business model failing to consider first sale doctrine and use technological measures to prevent legal used sales. Blame piracy for ills of the world. News at 11.

>>21516235
Software is different and special. If they spent millions of dollars to develop a brand new hammer each time then it would be the same.

But they dont. They're just using an ancient design to shit out a $1 product in china and you buy it for $5-$40 at your hardware store.

>>21516288

Well, that and the fact that each piece of entertainment software tends to be a somewhat unique creative work capable of delivering the same value to each user... which renders it a pretty poor comparison with a hammer.

But I was trying to look at it from the perspective of the actual transactions and money that changed hands...

You're all getting too distracted by hammers.

If you buy a used game, the developer gets nothing.

If you pirate a game, the developer gets nothing.

That's it.

>>21516318
Clearly if you could only sell one copy, either your game fucking sucked, or your method of dealing with potential consumers was fucking BRILLIANT. Good luck in the real world, you'll need it. And watch out for them pirates.

>>21516368
Actually, that's exactly what they do with software. And the fact that they spend millions making software, shows that they are earning much more than just millions.

>>21516318
I think you missed my point.

I'm saying that people who buy used or borrow games from their friends still have an incentive to buy new copies. Pirates generally don't have that same incentive.

>>21516368

Well.. they could... but they don't 'cause they realize they'd go fucking broke instantly. Maybe if they developed a technological measure to implement forced obsolescence on their old hammers as soon as the new ones came out, they'd try it.

I only pirate games I know I would never buy. I pirate shit like peggle, found it kind of fun but I would never pay 20 bucks for it. So I pirated it. Bought europa universalis 3, pirated it's 10-20 dollar patches. I don't think there is anything wrong with what I'm doing.

>>21516452
but money is still moving about, and game shops are being kept afloat

>>21516452
If you buy a used game, the developer gets nothing. But you get some little kid's boogers all over the case, manual and disc. Enjoy!

If you pirate a game, the developer gets nothing. You don't even get a case, manual or disc.

That's it.

Fix'd it forya

So, what if I pirate a used game? Or if I used a bought game?

>>21516521
That's the money we're talking about. Instead of going to the developers its going into the pockets of some gamestore head honcho. Hell its not even being used for promotions or making sure the used hardware they sell actually works. WHAT THE HELL.

>>21516452

That still doesn't make buying used games illegal or immoral.

>>21516582
It's definitely not illegal. And it's usually not immoral.

It becomes immoral when you make 500% profit on it, and go out of your way to replace sales of new copies with sales of used copies.

This is why I love digital distribution.

Publishers get shafted when I buy direct from the developer, and used-game rip off merchants get shafted when they don't get to sell it to me or buy it used! Win!

>>21516582
Illegal, no, but it's just as immoral as pirating.

>>21516510
NOTHING WRONG?! You think downloading stuff for free is not a big deal?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqUIshIhmzk

sage for repostan

they aren't the same thing..

>>21516627
I agree with this man.

Also digital distribution mean the end of crappy load times from slow-ass obsolete optical media. Where is my solid state society?

>>everyone
>I'M GONNA FORCE MY MORALITY ONTO YOU YEAAARRGHGHGH

>>21516641

Um... you're either a retard or an EA shill.

Pirating a game means that the original owner still has the game, along with all the people who downloaded it. Regardless of how many people are playing the game at any one time, only one copy is sold.

Buying a used game means that the original owner of the game no longer has a copy of the game. Only one person can play the game at any one time. If the original owner wanted to sell of their copy of the game, then the developers evidently didn't make a decent enough game to warrant keeping it.

I work at GAME in england

money from preowned games goes directly to GAME, the devs only see money from new copies that are sold

that is why preowned new games are only ever so slightly cheaper than the new game in general, people will be encouraged to buy the SLIGHTLY cheaper one, and all the money goes to us, rather than a huge chunk of it to the devs and publishers, etc

the OP should change his tune to "buying a game used is no different from pirating AN OLD GAME"

First sale doctrine anyone?

If Ford sells me a car, and then I sell that car, do I need to give Ford money? Once a store sells me a game, that game is mine to do with as I please. Yes I think that companies like Gamestop are shitty, but they're not doing anything illegal by buying and selling used games, unless they are knowingly accepting stolen goods.

The best way for game developers to get around this problem is to develop games with replay value that people won't want to trade in for $5 store credit, and perhaps to offer their own buyback and used game program. As well as shifting towards digital distribution.

>>21516770

developers see no money from new sold copies, the publishers do

the developers get their paycheck when the game is in production

The seller is likely to buy more vidya with the profits he gets from selling the ones he doesn't play anymore.

>>21516770
GAME has a terrible in-store radio. I thought I should tell you that.

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>>21516712
It's called law, dipshit. Why don't you go steal irl and then bawwww at the police that they "are forcing their morality on you" ?

>>21517042
I hate the Dumb bitch that has never played a video game in her life DJ

>>21517042

EB Games in Australia has worse. They've got some dipshit with the most annoying accent in the universe droning on endlessly about how awesome and extreem all the new shit coming soon is.

I tend to shop at GAME just so I don't have to hear his voice. If I ever met the guy, I'd have to fucking smack him in the mouth. Carrying his teeth away in my knuckles would be worth it.

>>21517058
Because they are, dipshit. Were we ruled by a ruthless tyrant, we'd have a different morality forced upon us.

Hey, at least everyone in this thread is exhibiting this normal human urge to force their views upon others. That speaks good of this board.

Buying a game used is different from pirating.

Piracy is free.

fuck you mods, you never ban anyone

JESUS CHRIST THE PEOPLE IN THIS THREAD ARE SO STUPID

THE OP IS NOT JUSTIFYING DOWNLOADING, HE'S SAYING THAT IF YOU'RE BUYING A USED GAME YOU MIGHT AS WELL PIRATE IT BECAUSE BUYING A USED GAME DOESN'T HELP THE DEVELOPERS AT ALL