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FUCK THIS GAME
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>not being able to enter every building in the city
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I don't even know what is going on in the pic.
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what the fuck am I looking at
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Why are we being mad?
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>>163217640 (OP)
I don't get it, are they ghosts? Are you saying GTAV is a horror game?
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>Tattoo says Entitled
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>>163217957
>>163217970
>>163218054

The window just has a texture plastered over it rather than a 3D interior.

Not really sure what people expected for something running on 360/PS3.
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>>163218054
the inside of the building is just a flat texture. The building is just a hollow box.
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Buildings are just empty boxes.
That's what you get for having only 512MB of memory in total.
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>>163218507

welcome to consoles
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He's mad because the same objects are in the two sets of windows, which is full of shit. You can't expect them to put unique shit in every single window when they build entire cities.
They could've just made all the windows so you didn't even see anything, but they actually made it look like there's something inside.
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>>163217640 (OP)
>>163218507
>>163218627
Absolutely disgusting. Worst game of 2013.
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ITT: why games aren't designed for NASA supercomputers
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>>163218632
Welcome to consoles indeed.
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>>163218507
>>163218627
>Mfw I'm still going to enjoy the fuck out of it and probably even squeeze in a cheeky wank to the low res npc's in bikini's.
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We're bouncing
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>expecting anything good from Rockstar
>expecting anything good from consoles
>expecting anything good from GTA after SA
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Graphics didn't stop me from playing GTA4 so I doubt they'll top me from playing GTA5.
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Advanced ground textures.
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LOL CONSOLES AM I RIGHT FELLOW PC MASTERRACE?
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>/v/ putting graphics before gameplay

What the fuck happened to this place, when did it get infested by 14 year old kiddies who think that anything from before 2010 is ancient?
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>>163219053
This is you trying to justify you being this.
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>>163219086
>gameplay

What game? This is a movie.
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>>163219086
shut yo' bitch ass up, bitch nigga
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>>163217640 (OP)
it obviously looks better if your bouncin' [/spooler]
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>>163218957
>>163219053
>>163219086
>I enjoy eating shit

Kill yourselves.
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>>163218868
>RDR will never get a PC port
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>>163217957

They're bouncing.
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>>163218868
Top one is a cutscene model, the bottom one could be an in-game model.
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>>163217957
YO LET'S BOUNCE
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Still gonna buy a copy for my 360. Hopefully pc gets a release within the year.
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>>163219086
u shut ur fucking face m8 or im gunna com over and we gonna talk sum oi m8
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>>163219086
Console threads. They've been doing it for years.
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>>163219086
PC is mad that their release is delayed so they attack the one thing immediately visible.
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IT'S IN ALPHA
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>>163219263
Does bad graphics make Deus Ex a bad game?
What about Gothic 1?
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>>163217640 (OP)
Name one AAA PC game that has a world as big as GTA V and you are able to enter every building.

>It cant have loading times between interior/exterior
>The world cannot be Copy/Paste or Procedurally generated
>The graphics have to be at least comparable to an unmodded GTA IV
>There has to be at least a few thousand buildings, similar to GTA IV
Protip: You can't
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>>163219086
The guy is just frustrated at that there's no PC version, and every reasonable person should be.
It's not 2007 you don't need a high end PC to run GTA, and it would easily be the best version, and the cheapest. Fuck R*
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>caring this much about graphics

I bet you don't even play games either, faggots.
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>>163219330
This. Building my first rig in December. It's worth the weight IMO.
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>>163219412
Both are awful games so I don't see your point.
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>>163219446
A game can't be good if it doesn't have good graphics
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>>163219412
They weren't AAA titles with massive budgets.
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>>163219427
> and every reasonable person should be.

You're been mad at every GTA release ever?

Why do you even play
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>Implying GTA was ever known for having cutting edge gwafics

PC fags mad yet again :3
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Who said Rockstar's graphics were a strong point? Did you guys really think that it was going to be an open world game with crysis graphics?
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>>163218117
Is this real life?
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>>163219705
GTA IV was a big upgrade over SA. This should be a similar upgrade.
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>>163219427
>The guy is just frustrated at that there's no PC version, and every reasonable person should be.
>every reasonable person should be

lel

all i hear in all these threads is pc only owners crying over no pc version like little girls.
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>>163219840
>ps2 to ps3
>ps3 to ps3
>similar upgrade

Are you a fucking retard?
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>>163219705
>tfw seeing consolescum eat shit near me

Horrible.
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>>163219840

But they were made in different generations anon.
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>>163219840
See
>>163219974

You really are a mouth breather, aren't you?
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>>163219974
Not my problem. But when you deliberately hold back graphics even though you could have made better, we have a problem.
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>>163218923
>>implying SA wasn't graphically inferior

Furroh retardoh
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>>163219412
Makes them old and archaic
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>>163220008
>Eat shit
>Play one of the best games this Gen next to RDR

Stay mad jelly pleb :3
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>>163220029
Irrelevant. Games are not measured in "gens".
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>>163219659
>You're been mad at every GTA release ever?
GTA and GTA 2 came out on PC first. The others with the exception of IV were delayed within a reasonable time frame.
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>>163219840
1/10 made me reply
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>>163219840
Why? SA to IV was the leap from SD to HD and on a totally new engine. Obviously it's going to look much better.

What do you expect R* to do? Throw away one of the most impressive engines in the industry just so graphics whores have a new poster child?
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>>163220078
No, it's obviously your problem since you get upset by this.
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>>163219303
but cutscene models were the same as ingame models
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>>163220078
>Hold back graphics
>Implying PC is getting GTA5 at all

Why cry over something you were never going to get to begin with anon? I mean really, if you guys didn't steal every game maybe devs would want to make games for your platform.
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>>163220078
>not my problem
>is arguing about it.

You enjoy being wrong?
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Rockstar puts more care and love into their game environments than any other AAA game company I can think of.

Compared to other open world city games the details and variation in structures is fucking amazing.
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>>163220174
>GTA1/2

The only enjoyable one was 2, and barely. We all know those don't count.
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>>163219726
rain dogs was superior pleb
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>>163220221
>What do you expect R* to do?
I expect them to look at the GTA IV mod community a little, and at the very least come out with a PC version which looks much better than the consoles.
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>>163220490
It's not Rockstar's duty to help you justify spending a lot of money on your hobby.
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>>163220490
Yeah but you guys aren't getting GTA5. The fact that they are just "Considering" it shows how low priority your platform is.
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>>163220490
>i bitch and moan about wanting a pc version
>they should listen to me and my needs!
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>>163220263
It's your problem too. You just need to stop accepting inferior games.
>>163220297
>When all else fails resort to the piracy argument.
Too bad Rockstar is the only developer who are dicks to PC gaming. They're the problem here, not PC.
>>163220303
It's not my problem whether the consoles can or cannot upgrade the graphics. We don't live in the console world, nor do we have to.
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>>163220726
This is what they mean about entitled gamers. It's just PC fags ruining things for everyone else.
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PC fags shitting blood over graphics

What about all those fucking threads I see where everyone agrees story and gameplay are better than graphics

You fuckers are waffling hard
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>caring about graphics

stay mad and never play your shitty port, faggots
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>>163220801
>Only developer that are dicks

MEANWHILE IN ANY PC THREAD EVER
>WAHHHHHH SECUROM
>WAHHH MUH GRAPHICS
>WAHHH DOESNT HAVE MY RIDICULOUS EXPECTATIONS COMPLETELY MET, DAY 1 PIRATE


Yeah, no. Stay mad :3
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>>163219329
So we're bouncin' now?
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what? that's how most games look nowadays, you can't expect them to put better stuff on old hardware, and isn't going to change until microshit and sony push new stuff out being that high end pc's aren't mainstream
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>>163220647
It is a reasonable demand.
>>163220681
It's fine if they don't like money.
>>163220726
It should be everyone's opinion because it makes sense. We should not settle for inferior products when better products could be readily available.
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I love me some GTA but it's not like I'll die without this.

It's going to be what, the one console exclusive of 2013 worth playing? Compared to a dozen PC titles at the absolute minimum.

It's not that having a console is bad, but if you don't own a basic gaming PC then you are terrible at this.
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>>163220486
>We all know those don't count.
Because you said so, right?

It's R*s loss for not releasing for PC, I ain't buying it new for consoles.
I don't want to have to play on the PS3, I didn't realize how shit the controls and everything about the console version of GTA IV was till I got it for PC last year.
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Hey Mustard Race, how does it feel knowing that the Vita and WiiU are more likely to get GTA V ports than your shitty pirate box?
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>>163219270
PC shouldn't get any ports. You assholes don't deserve it.
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>>163220951
Okay, but every other developer acts differently compared to Rockstar. The PC problem is entirely in Rockstar's own head.
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>>163221026
>money
Yeah, no. They money and resources that are spent porting the game to PC isn't worth it when you look at actual sales that the game makes on PC. You guys don't generate money by pirating everything, that's why you are being shit upon this Gen. Deal with it.
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>PCfags crying about graphics
>Consolefags call that out
>meanwhile consolefags cry about graphics between their consoles
Seeing this from an Idort perspective, kinda ironic.
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>>163218218
....so what? It's obvious you can't enter every single building, why would you waste memory processing all the interiors in 3d?
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>>163221002
Or the gamers stop being retarded.
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>>163221031
No, because it's not the 1990s anymore and gaming, and rockstar has changed. As for your control woes, I'm going to have to ask you to deal with it.
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>>163221093
More shit versions?Who gives a shit.

It's not about playing it since PC users already have a PS3 in most cases, it's about getting the best version, which as always, will be the PC one.
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>>163220951
>WAAHHHHH STEAM DRM STAY PLEB VALVEDRONES
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>>163220681
They're 'considering' it because it's their business strategy. Imply it'll be console exclusive, and you'll have tons of people preordering it for their console. Just before or after release, they announce it for PC. And people will buy it again, this time for PC, because the PC version will have mods, better multiplayer, and of course, graphix.
I sure as hell won't be getting it for my PS3 or Xbox.
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>>163221319
>the non-existant one is best

Stay mad Mustard Face.
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>>163218739
"Master race" tears are delicious
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>>163221176
he thinks that rockstar is the only company who fucks over PC. Dohohohoho. Yeah, no anon. You're delusional
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>>163221029
>Dozen good pc exclusives

What fucking dimension do you live in
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>>163220801
>It's your problem too. You just need to stop accepting inferior games.
>It's your problem too

Sure thing bro. I don't give a single fuck about it so natually it's a "problem" for me.
I never played the GTA games for the graphics or w/e and some of my favorite games of this gen have looked like shit (see for example Nier and Deadly Premonition).

A game being technically impressive is pretty low on my priority list when it comes to games.
I'm not a child that need high production values.
I'm not the kind of person that can't enjoy an old movie or a movie with low production values either.

The problem lies with you and you alone, since you're the one getting all asspained about something that is quite unimportant.
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>>163221140
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>>163221183
How can you be this out of touch with reality?
This gen saw more multiplatform titles than ever, PC gaming grew tremendously since 2005 etc. Titles like Alan Wake recouped the costs of porting to PC in a matter of hours.
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>>163221031
>It's R*'s loss

>implying they'll lose any profit
>implying consoles won't buy the shit out of this
>implying PC fags won't eat this shit up after such a long wait.

yeah, no.
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>>163217640 (OP)
So vidyas are all about fantasy personas and escapism, right? Sooooo all of you GTA players want to be a crack-dealing, low-life, cop-killing, nigger?
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shit game, shit textres, shit characters, shit music for feggots
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>>163221429
I'm an idort. Anyone that prefers playing games on their console is a faggot.
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>>163221397
>Red Dead
>New IP
>Mustard Face in charge of gaming knowledge
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>>163221183
Is that why they released every other GTA on the PC including the "360 only" DLC?

The fact is, Rockstar are ignorant about the PC market and its potential. They insult the PC, and the supposed low sales are entirely their own fault.

The piracy is there, but it's there for other games too which sell much more than Rockstar games on the PC. Therefore there is another reason for the low sales.
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>>163221371
>implying I wasn't showing what happens in PC threads
>Implying PC gaymers aren't the most torn of all the userbases with infighting

Don't be silly anonkun, you know it to be true.
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>>163221429
Yeah, just like the non-existant version of GTAIV and Dark Souls,right?
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>>163221462
Well, you didn't help me convince otherwise.
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>>163221589
Not him, but Red Dead Redemption was pretty much a reboot and not really a sequel to Red Dead Revolver.
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>>163221462
Those companies fuck consoles even harder because they get away with it even more.
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>PC gamers STILL mad over this
You guys get so butthurt.
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>>163221397
>I don't care
>but
> BUT I AM NEVER SUPPORTING ROCK FUCKING STAR AGAIN.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5VvxqQ1kp4
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>>163221026

You have no idea how entitled you sound right now. If you were smart you'd at least have one console and a PC, but instead you're a buttmad PC elitist.
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>>163221384
>Buying PC

there was never any doubt about a GTA4 or any other main GTA game coming to the PC. Yet they have to "Consider" this one. Face it mustard, it's over.
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>ITT: Little bitches crying over graphics
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>expecting graphics to improve year to year on consoles with set hardware that cant be improved
>implying any of the games out today couldn't of been launch titles
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>>163221526
That's not what edgy means, fuckwitq
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>>163221543
>>implying they'll lose any profit

Are you this fucking dumb?
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>>163221785
holy shit that dog's gunna die
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>>163221659
>PUHLEAASE R*/FROMSOFT GIVE US SOME OF THE WORST PORTS THE PC HAS EVER SEEN

PC fags truly are the plebbest.
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>>163221525
If you don't care about the PC you hate video gaming. It's a simple fact. PC is the bastion of gaming and at the forefront of technological development. You're a casual idiot who has no concept of what you're saying.
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>>163217640 (OP)
>people fine when every other game ever does this.


c'mon /v/, I know you're supposed to hate shit but this is rediculous
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>>163221856
No but you seem to be.
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>>163221734
nice deflection anon, maybe next time you can try to make a point :)
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All this nitpicking is fucking hilarious, christ the PC gamers are rectum ragnaroked over this.
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>>163221880
Still superior than the console version. Getting the point?
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>>163221790
I'm an idort. And it's their business strategy. Mark my words. If a console exclusive developer like FROM ports their game to PC, and the port is even shittier then GTA IV, but it still sells, and the community fixes the game, Rockstar will port GTA V too. Mark my words.
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>>163221990
OK, here's a point, consoles who know how to treat the PC right make more money, so yeah, it's Rockstar's loss.
;)
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>>163222013
>This much denial

How does it feel, mustard face?
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>>163221397

>proof that pee cee gaming is nothing more than an after-thought

Stay mad, minor race
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>>163221880
But DaS PC is superior to the console version. Why? Because the whiny, elitist community fixed the game.
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>>163222013

Does it really matter? Just wait a few months for the port, it's been like this for every GTA since 3. Stop being a whiny bitch for a second.
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>>163222129
Oh the irony.
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>>163221803
>implying
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>>163221482
>Routine
>Natural Selection 2
>Chivalry
>Project Eternity
>Star Citizen
>Hawken
>Kerbal Space Program
>The new Carmageddon
Some upcoming or recently released PC exclusives.
You're welcome.
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>>163222161
>bbb...bbut we har..hardcore gaymers fixed the fff...feces we got given
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ITT

PcRaGe

it's like demon souls on ps3 hurr that looks so shit,from teh pc mastah

a year later demon souls gets released on pc (lol) and teh mastah race is saying its the best game ever, threads still continuing to shit up this board. for a game released a year later than consoles on PC

your tears, bathe me
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You console fetishists confuse me. You bitch about graphics not mattering... but then get hyped about next-gen consoles looking much better graphically. You say the story and gameplay matter more.... as if you can't have all three. You act as if technological advancement doesn't feed into gameplay evolution and improvement. Having a machine that can actually manage load times between entering buildings, that can actually have long render distances that show you what is up ahead without pop-in, that can, yes, actually handle higher quality textures, that's all something we should want.
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>>163222331
Pretty much, we polished the turd while consoles kept the turd.
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>>163221917
>If you don't care about the PC you hate video gaming. It's a simple fact. PC is the bastion of gaming and at the forefront of technological development. You're a casual idiot who has no concept of what you're saying.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA look at this little child.
So if I don't care if the PC gets GTA5 or not I hate video gaming? THAT'S a fact? Utterly hilarious how your demented mind functions.
And resorting to namecalling and shit when you have no retort to my post? I think it's high time you conceded.

But go ahead, tell me why games *need* to be technically impressive AND *need* to be on PC.
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>>163221917
>Bastion of gaming
>All of it is minecraft and nude mods for Skyrim

Yah, no ty
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>>163222331
So you're calling a 1:1 console-to-PC port shit? Basically, you're saying that Dark Souls is a shitty game?
That's funny.
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>>163222296
If developers put forth the effort, it's absolutely true. Hardware has not changed.
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>>163222306
>Kerbal space program

>3 games that you had to pay to create

Glad i payed $1200 to play Kerbal fucking Space Program
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>>163221785
Entitled? It's only fair.

If you have three guys running track and field. One of the three is clearly faster than the others. You don't put legcuffs on him to even it out for the other two, you let him run free because that's how it was meant to be.

Give PC what it deserves in terms of graphics, and release the game simultaneously.
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>>163222475
But Dark Souls is a shitty port.
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>>163222405
And what control method did you use to play DaS on the PC?

Checkmate, Mustard Face
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>>163222349
F-Fuck you console scum
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>>163222449
Because PC is where the technological advancements are made.
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>>163222306
Funny, the only one I care about on that list is Project Eternity.
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>>163222552
I'm not denying that. It's just funny he calls a game that was previously only on consoles shit.
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ALL THIS PC MUSTARD RACE ANAL DEVASTATION LEL
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>>163222658
You're a real big fag.
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>>163222449
Absolutely. Everyone should be rooting for the PC, since it's without a shadow of a doubt superior to every other platform in every way. Supporting the best platform clearly shows you care about what's in the best interest of video gaming. If you don't do that you're either ignorant or hate video gaming.
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>>163222554
>PC can play with whatever control scheme works best for the game
>Consoles forced to use controllers for everything
Sure sounds like a checkmate to me.
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>>163222306
>7 shit games and project eternity

Poor, poor mustard.
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>>163222554
Are you fucking retarded?

How is PC being able to have any control you choose not an advantage over consoles?
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>>163222361
>but then get hyped about next-gen consoles looking much better graphically.

Since when?
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>>163222704
Why should I care or even bother to look up info about the other ones?
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>>163222040
You wish. Rockstar is too thickheaded to watch what's going on in the PC industry. It's like they don't even know we exist.
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>>163222554
I used an Xbox 360 controller. I also tried a PS3 controller, but preferred the Xbox 360 controller. Why do you ask? The beauty of PC is that you can play with whatever input device you desire.
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>>163219201

i see nothing wrong with this picture.
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>>163222449
>tell me why games *need* to be technically impressive

Innovation.
Otherwise you get just your yearly CoD rehash.
All all the innovation is on PC nowadays.
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>>163222361

>I drive a shitty car but it does the same job as a 50000 dollar car
>I like my shitty car, but I still appreciate driving a nice car, although at the ehnd of the day, I have arrived at my destination
>I am not allowed to enjoy a new car because I drive an old car, both which are nice
>they have released exclusive rims for my shitty old car which don't fit new cars but theyre making rims for the new cars theyll just be a little late
>people in the new cars say my rims are shitty cause my car is old, I don't care, I can't really understand why I'm not allowed to enjoy both


is this making sense bromandude?
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>>163219418
[/spoiler] Gothic 1,2,3 [/spoiler]
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>>163222554
I played using my flight stick.
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>>163222860

This is what the mustard race actually believes.
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>>163218507

>Not understanding how poly counts work
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>>163222750
>caring about the platform more than the games

So you care more about this system war than playing good games? You care more about technically impressive games?
Sounds like you're not a gamer.
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>>163222750
Not everyone can afford a good PC.
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>>163222942
>graphics comparable to unmodded GTA IV

Try again.
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>I hate somebody because they wont make a game for my computer

just listen to yourselves, you are pathetic
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>>163220878
But it's not graphics we're talking about it's gameplay.
The windows in the top of a building being a static texture means we can't go up there because it doesn't exist which is fucking. GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY.
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>>163223009
>Not understanding how consoles kneecap innovation.
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>>163222884
As long as its a microsoft endorsed controller or else it will be broke as fuck trying to use it to play anything modern
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>>163222860
Every Rockstar North game has been ported to PC.

And no, RDR was not a Rockstar North game.
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>>163223058
Maybe if you're 14.
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>>163222110
>Consoles
>Treating PC right
>Not Devs

Ya dum
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PC doesn't get ports because you pirate everything.
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>>163223058
Actually, they can. You'd be surprised how cheap is to build a gaming PC that already makes the next-gen obsolete.
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Why are so many of you picking on this game? You enjoyed Red Dead Redemption and that had the same graphics?
You enjoyed Max Payne and that had the same graphics (perhaps a wee bit better I dunno).

What happened to the whole opinion that the gameplay is what really matters in a game (and clearly this will have plenty because it's GTA)?

When I first browsed /v/ a couple of years back I used to think this place was filled with people who loved vidya games. It's clear nowadays you guys just hate whatever's popular.etc You're literally the basement dwellar versions of the hipster culture.
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>>163223105
I didn't realize that PC devs needed console's permission to make games.
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>>163222903
>Innovation.

What does games looking graphically good have to do with innovation? Are you retarded?

>All all the innovation is on PC nowadays.

Funny. I guess games like Journey, Unbroken Swan, etc. don't exist. Only your indie pc games exist, ayup.
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>>163223132
You are really uninformed.
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(^ ͜ʖ^)
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>>163222763
Well, maybe you'd rather play Total War: Rome II? Or Survarium? Planetside 2 maybe? War of the Roses? Black Mesa?
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>>163223257
About 600 dollars

Believe it or not some people cant get jobs and mommy and daddy didnt pay for us to go to college
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HOLY SHIT LETS POINT OUT FLAWS IN A GAME THAT ISN'T EVEN FULLY DEVELOPED OR FINISHED YET!!!!!!!
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Hey mustards, don't pretend you would even play GTA V anyway. You're all far too busy with LoL, WoW and Farmville to care about decent games.
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>>163223053
All your "good games" would be even better on the PC. That's what we're saying.

Don't settle for less.
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>>163220221

>GTA 4 on consoles
>HD

Maybe in ten years when the HD collection comes out for PS5.
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Remember how San Andreas was graphically inferior to other games at the time?

What a shitty fucking game that was, huh guys?
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lol skyrim looks better than this
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>>163223317
Technically impressive is not the same as graphics, you idiot.

Rememeber HL2 innovating with it's physics, for example.
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>>163223407
But you sure can afford all those 60 dollar games that come out.
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>>163223185
>Everyone should be exacly like me and have at least everything I have or more.

Here we come to the root of the problem. PC is delusional. If you give a reason they say that it should not be. None of them understand circumstance. But you'd be able to tell that just by looking at the topic.
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>>163223407
More like 300.
/g/ already built 300 dollar PCs that can play Crysis perfectly.
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>>163223365
>Shit games and Planetside 2

2 good exclusives so far, keep trying!
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>>163223058
Oh jesus, I'm sick of this argument.

I just built a pretty boss gaming PC for $700 after tax/shipping. I can play The Witcher 2 at a stable 60fps with the graphics on high. My mom wanted a new PC as well, I offered to build her one for cheap. Two weeks later I found out she spent $1200 on some rent-to-own piece of shit which can barely run Minecraft.
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>>163223068
>He never played Gothic3
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>>163223105

>low poly counts on console
>equates to lack of innovation
>progress of innovation is based on graphics

Oh dear
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>>163223457
Well, actually, it's getting quite busy with all the PC exclusives next year and beyond. But I'll find a hole to play GTA V. I sure as fuck hope I don't have to get it for my PS3 or Xbox.
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>>163223648
I can buy an xbox 360 for $80
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>>163223545
And the DLC and season pass too!

PC gaming is expensive, but who needs community maps?
Let's buy this 15 dollar map pack.
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>>163223225

I've been thinking of that myself.
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>>163223058
>Not everyone can afford a good PC
>not everyone got job

Fixed for you, also GET ONE.
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>>163223225

this, it's fucking true and you all know it.
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>>163221482

Cyberpunk 2077
Rome: Total War 2
ARMA III
Metro: Last Light
Wasteland 2

Those are what I'm mainly looking forward to in 2013. There are things like this or the next Football Manager which I'm personally not interested in. There are also things like The Witcher 3 and Half Life 3 which are coming sooner or later, and a heap of titles where it's too early to tell.

Moore's Law, crowd-funding and modern broadband is all pulling in one direction: the PC. Every generation of consoles costs a fortune more than the last to produce and doesn't last any longer before becoming obsolete: that is not sustainable.

The next generation will be obsolete before it even rolls off the production line. Developers can continue to take shit from the platform owners and publishers just so they can crunch 30 fps out of a console, or they can start making games for the PC.
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>>163223648
>that can play crysis

That game is years old. You wouldn't be able to play games today. I'd rather have a console.
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>>163223225
How does Gaben pay for his girth?
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>>163223105
>better graphics = innovation

get a load of this faggot
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>>163223789
Good for you. How much do you pay for games? Xbox Live?
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>>163223789
So?
Never said it was cheaper, I said it was affordable.

If you don't spend that much on your hobby what are you doing here?
Why settle for less?
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pc's specs differ so greatly, a guy on ultra fast internet, with the latest specs playing a guy with a 3 year old computer with average internet has an instant advantage

The connection speed sure makes a difference but consoles at least put everyone on a level playing field (mostly) more than pc anyway

>tfw playing pc online games and dudes are flying around and going through walls

not really fair imo, most high end pc users have money and use it as a platform to look down upon others and berate them for not having money

Don't you think most anons would love the latest pc, I mean if you like vidya you see screens and vids on pc and it looks awesome

The main factor is $$$ don't tell me hurr you can build a pc for teh price of teh console, no, you can't.

Basically it comes down to 'hurr I have more $$ than you' most of the time it's your parents paying for that shit or you are a neckbeard who puts every last cent into his second life.

Seriously, how many 'normal' pc gaymars have you ever met?
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>>163223860
A PC that can run Cryiss won't break a sweat with any games that was made to run on consoles.
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Mustard Faces confirmed for mad as hell.
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>>163223462
>All your "good games" would be even better on the PC. That's what we're saying.

They would be "better" if they looked better?
You're the kind of monkey that says that great classic movies would be "better" if they were remade with current movie tech.
In other words, you're shallow. You care more about how graphically imrpessive something is than the actual content.

... or you're just asspained because games that you want to play might not come out for pc.

>Don't settle for less.

Sorry, I'm not an entitled little child. I don't need to max and then force the graphics on every game I play to be able to enjoy them.
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>>163223225
Meanwhile Steam still exist.
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>>163223923
Im just saying, paying $300 all at once isnt something everyone can do

Sometimes its more financially viable to buy the console for 80, then a new game every few months
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>>163223963
Finally we have colors
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>>163224125
>Meanwhile Steam making more money than all consoles combined

Fixed.
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>>163223663
Arma III? Wasteland 2? Hell, let's throw the shitty new Sim City and Command & Conquer in the mix too. And let's throw Centration in the mix too.
But the PC has no exclusives and is a dead platform!
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>>163224092

It's not just graphics.
it's better framerates, much faster loading times, mods, better choice of controls...
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>>163223528
I fail to see your point. I already proved that your (or your buttbyddy's) argument was bs. That "all innovation happens on PC".
So what if innovation has happend on PC? It has and will continue to happen on consoles as well.
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>>163224229
But that's wrong.
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>>163218507
Have you ever been to LA? That's how buildings actually look from far away because of all the smog, except more yellow-ish, but i prefer blue.
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>>163224159
That either means you are a kid or not commited enough to your hobby to save money for some months.

Either way, you'll end up paying more with consoles, since games are much more expensive and you even have to pay for online and DLC.
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>>163224372
Got the numbers to prove it?
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>>163224021
>won't break a sweat running games made for consoles.

Which would limit me to console games and multiplats.

Again, I'd rather get a console.
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>>163223225
Never thought of that. Yea, makes sense.
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>>163224369
>So what if innovation has happend on PC? It has and will continue to happen on consoles as well.

Pretty much all genres which are popular on consoles were born on PC.
It doens't happen the other way.
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>>163224429
Do you?
no
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>>163224429
It's the person's job who made the claim to back it up.
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>>163218868

It's the same video game console, of course it's going to be at the same level graphically.
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>pc fags and consolechildren at each other's throats again
Yup, saw this coming. Just shut the fuck up already, otherwise shit like this fills /v/ for the whole year. Just buy a used console pcfags, you can afford it with all the money you've saved by pirating and Steam sales. I don't agree with how R* is dangling those grapes over you but don't get this ass demolished, you're only giving more power to the consolekiddies. Join the idorts, the only master race there is.
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>>163223980

NO ONE IS RESPONDING TO THIS GUY BECAUSE HE IS RIGHT
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>>163224429

when you try to state a fact it's customary to provide evidence first, you don't give a presentation to your professor and then tell him to give you 100% until he does researches the information to prove you wrong.
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>>163224387
>games are more expensive

All AAA are the same price. Games on PC have DLC as well. Only one console makes you pay for online and it's only $60/year. That's $5/month. You can't afford that and you're talking about paying $300 at the very minimum?
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>>163224598
Sony and Microsoft are public compan ies, we know their numbers.

Valve doesn't publish them, but we know that while console sales asre stagnating, with SOny even losing billions with the PS3, Gabe is appearing on Forbes.
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>>163224598
According to who, are we in a court of law, is this Intro to philosophy, are we in a formal debate?
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>>163224818
>All AAA are the same price

No, they are cheaper on PC.
Blizzard games are more expensinbe than the usual price but they are PC exclusive anyways.
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>>163224387

>commited enough to your hobby

no thanks
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>>163224818
>Games on PC have DLC as well

We also have mods and community made content, so we are not so dependant on buying DLC if we want more.
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>>163225000
Black Ops 2 is totally not $60 right now on Steam no siree Bob.
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>>163222903
Hell, the Ass Creed developers from Ubisoft even admitted the current gen hardware is preventing them from doing new things. At the moment only rehashes sell well.

>"Our customers are very open to new things," he said. "Our customers are reopening their minds -- and they are really going after what's best. ... At the end of a console generation, they want new stuff, but they don't buy new stuff as much. They know their friends will play Call of Duty or Assassin's Creed so they go for that. So the end of a cycle is very difficult."

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/118661-Ubisoft-New-Consoles-Help-Creativity#

Meanwhile at Rockstar:
>“Some other people talk about the limitations of the [current] hardware. We don’t feel there are that many limitations. We feel we can do some very impressive stuff and do it for a large audience. This felt like the way…
http://www.pcgamer.com/2012/11/19/gta-5-pc-version-merely-up-for-consideration-says-rockstars-dan-ho
user/
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>implying that pc faggots would buy any game over $7
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>>163225014
>casual
>normalfag
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>>163224920
Okay then. You are actually a Hump-Back Whale who has developed the ability to shitpost.

Until you prove me wrong, everything I say is 100% true.
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>>163224553
>Pretty much all genres which are popular on consoles were born on PC.

Why does it matter if all of it might've started on PC? It doesn't.
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>>163225141
And 10 more bucks on consoles.
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>>163225205

>GTA V
>jelly
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>>163221604
Well if every GTA is getting a PC realease, why are you morons getting so butthurt?
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>>163223692

Entitled PC gamer with no understanding of circumstance detected
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>>163225267
To you maybe, this is the internet, I don't have to believe a goddamn thing you say.
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>>163224780

No, nobody is responding to him because he's irredeemably retarded.
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>>163225270
My point was that the innovation of those genres was on PC.

Remember the last time consoles invented a new genre?
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>>163225087
That wasn't the argument. It was implied that PC didn't have DLC.
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>>163225141
You can by on cheaper price from ebay, amazong, whatever.com
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>>163225014
Enjoy being normal.
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>>163225392
>I said something incredibly stupid, now I have to act like I was trolling to fool them.

>MOM! Come to the computer, I did an epic troll!
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>>163224361
Only potentially.
It's still irrelevant, because things can always be better.
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>>163225503
>It was implied that PC didn't have DLC
No it wasn't, lear to read.
It was implied it was part of the costs of consoles, which are defended by consolefags as being lower.
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>>163225161
>asscreed devs complying about being held back.
>release the same game like 5 fucking times in the same gen.
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>>163225346
...What?

More like uninformed parent looking to throw money away.
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>>163225481
Britain = Innovative PC master race
America = Rehash console plebs
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>>163224818
I get most of my games half the original price because patience and Steam sales. Then there's the occasional must buy for 30-40€.

>>163221790
>there was never any doubt about a GTA4 or any other main GTA game coming to the PC.
The GTA titles are so inherently console-centric and the ports have been something of an afterthough since the first 3D GTA. Can't say that I'm thrilled but oh well, if worst comes to worst, I can always buy a used PS3 and enjoy the relatively okay games library on it when this gen rides into the sunset.
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>>163225289
from what fucking extra charge?
>>163225516
And you can't do that for the console version?
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>>163225889
i think he might be talking about tax, but that usually makes around 65, not 70
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>>163225161

It's all business bro

You think pong was made to entertain people?

No, it was made to entertain and MAKE MONEY as with all vidya, it's a business

PC is killing gaming, dudes buying cheap pc parts and slapping em together make no money for the PC industry, therefore no money for future development

Add to that rampant piracy, steam sales and the fact you can get so much shit on it for free, what incentive is there for any devs to care about PC?

sure piracy exists on consoles, but it is by nature waaaay less of a problem than PC

Why would devs give a shit about a bunch of nerds building chinese pc's on the cheap, piracy and hacking etc then whining about not getting any games?

PC, my good friends has killed gaming by killing itself, don't blame consoles, blame yourselves
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>>163225889
You know the console manufacturer gets a cut, right?
Guess who pays for it? The consumer, not the publisher/retailer.

PC version will always be chepaer becuase there's no PC owner to pay a fee to.
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>>163225610
There's where you're wrong, it's not a troll, I'm trying to show you that is is 4chan and don't nobody owe you shit.

You can never believe anything you read here under any circumstances without doing your own research to back it up.

Telling someone to provide you with a source here is like bursting down a stoners door and telling them to prove it doesn't cause cancer. Ain't shit gonna happen, and even if they did produce some flimsy proof it wouldn't be from any source you could trust. More than likely it's going to be someone talking out of their ass with a made up title.

I'm not even the same fucking guy who made the claim.
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>>163225873
>when this gen rides into the sunset.
Along with the whole idea of "hardcore" consoles. Good riddance, PC gaming and casual gaming needed a bigger separation.
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>>163226026

Are you seriously this fucking retarded?

Like, are you actually having a stroke at your computer right now?
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>>163226026
Used game sales.
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>>163225481
Invented a new *genre*? I think you need to rethink your choice of words.
There are many types of puzzle games, but they're all puzzle games (the genre). Do you understand how dumb that choice of word now was?

Heck, "genres" are only used to help people understand things. To make it easier for people to understand things. To dumb things down. That's why people always try to compare everything to something else "oh it's like game X but without Y, but it's also like game Z and G but without D, E and F".
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>>163226081
>PC version will always be chepaer becuase there's no PC owner to pay a fee to


You know that people have to pay money to Valve for them to host their games right? Same thing with XBL
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That's one DOA, two more to go!
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>>163226253

hmm nice retort, you addressed my points and countered nicely

thanks for clearing that up

>i pictured you standing there with your mouth open staring blankly at a wall when I read that response
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>>163226120
/v/ used to be an okay board before people started settling for mediocre arguing. Even /b/ has "pics or it didn't happen", so why the fuck shouldn't I ask for a source?
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>>163226285

wut
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if Rockstar doesn't want to release it for the PC then I just wont buy it. It's clear they don't want my business.
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>>163226241
>implying there isn't a giant fucking market for casuals on PC

ITT: Alienware doesn't exist and no one has ever bought a pre-built EVER.
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>>163226026
So many gems here.
>PC is killing gaming
>dudes buying cheap pc parts and slapping em together make no money for the PC industry, therefore no money for future development
>steam sales
Btw. Steam sales generate the most revenue.
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This proves it, PC gamers are entitled as fuck.
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>>163226120
>Tell someone to provide you with a source
>shit ain't gonna happen

if you can't prove your claim then the argument is invalid.

confirmed for shitposter.
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>>163226356
PC invented FPS, which is now the most popular genre on consoles.

I know what I meant when I chose my words.
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I seriously hope this game doesn't come out on PC, just to spite you PCFaggots.
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>>163226590
They're easy to educate. The fact they're willing to game on a PC is a start.
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>>163226457
none of that is remotely true

good thing your opinion is irrelevant. as you say money talks
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>>163226570
>waaaaah i won't buy it if you don't release is for pc!!!

I used to be like you once, back when I was 4. The only difference here is that you still have your diapers on.
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>>163226607

>steam sales
>sale
>reduced
>0 profit for devs

please don't tell me PC is more profitable for devs than consoles
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>>163226371
Yes, I know that, still has nothing to do with what I said.
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>>163226026
I don't really care but.
>PC is killing gaming, dudes buying cheap pc parts and slapping em together make no money for the PC industry, therefore no money for future development

Guess who MANUFACTURE these parts.
Pirates from Zimbabwe?
Terrorist from Micronesia?
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>>163226682
>PC invented FPS, which is now the most popular genre on consoles.

And?
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>>163226792

>none of that is remotely true
>as you say money talks

potatomax
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>>163226814
Yeah it does. Not only did I explain thatit wasn't cheaper but I explained why.
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>>163226752
It will, like most big GTA titles, in about 7month after console release.
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>>163226796

>thinks making an informed consumer choice is crying
>goes on to wonder why entertainment today is shit.
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>>163226656
MOBA and MMOs are the most played games in the world. You can search anywhere.
And those games are on PC.

You can discuss whether or not those may be acceptable games, but there is nothing you can do: PC is the most used system to play games on.
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>>163226752
says the man who laughs at drowning children

forshame
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>>163227047
>entertainment is shit because every game i want to play isn't also on pc

ok child
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>>163226813
This was propably the most dumb post i
I read today.
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>>163226954
Do PC boxed copies need to pay a cut to the owner of PC?
No.
Now stop being dumb.

Anyone can make a PC game without paying a single cent to the owner, because there is no owner.
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>>163226682
>PC invented FPS, which is now the most popular genre on consoles.
And doing a poor job at it. Son I am disappoint.
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>PCfags neglected
>rectum ransacked
>bitch about graphics
>mfw
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>>163227157

Wow you're really grasping at these straws hard. Well I am going to go back to enjoying my life have fun wasting another 2 hours on /v/ and then crying because I am right.
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http://edition.cnn.com/2012/11/09/tech/gaming-gadgets/console-gaming-dead/index.html
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>>163226887

and how many generic pc parts made by companies with dodgy names do you see in computers that are not around now?

Flower 3d graphic card etc haha

Even pc parts are pirated, which indirectly means less money for your precious pc vidya
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>don't buy good games for any system, because they COULD be on PC
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>>163226891
Follow the quotes.
Something about the PC innovating.
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Can I ask why the fuck console users seem to think that assembling a PC is a time sink? It literary takes an hour and a half if you've got a brain.
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>>163219418
Arma
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>>163227128
>implying you weren't laughing either
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
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>>163227530
>if you've got a brain
>console users
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>>163227410
>pc parts are pirated

Jesus...this is what consolefriends actualy belive?
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>>163217640 (OP)
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>>163227249
The fact it's an open platform is what makes it so great.

You kids don't understand. Consoles and PC never started out on an equal footing. There was never the slightest chance for consoles to be better. PC had the superior non-Jewified format right from the start.
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>>163227126
Still me.
Facts speak by themselves.
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This shit is the reason why I pirate all my PC games, fucking jewstar. I will not pay a dime for this shit
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>>163227621
Fine chinese enginnering.
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>>163219542
you people are funny.
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>>163227379
You're the one that's entitled and can't come up with a good reason why someone should boycott say GTA5 or bitch and moan endlessly about "every game should be on PC!".
There are pros and cons to different systems and standardisation, otherwise they wouldn't exist.

The world isn't supposed to serve all of your needs and wants, grow up.
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>>163227530

Because we want console devs to have more money so they can throw teh PC mastah wace a shitty port 12 months late

then you can pirate it and mod it and make cookies with it
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>>163227519
So no innovation can be done because a game genre started on PC?

Cool retardation, bro.
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>>163227126

>damagecontrol.jpg

MMOs don't count. they are not games in the traditional sense; they are not part of a series which has a definitive end. mario, zelda, armored core, demon souls all of these games have one thing in common:

you can win
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>>163227849
Follow the quotes and actually read the discussion before wasting out time.
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Oh PC gamers, you're so cute

AC:3 Bitgamer downloads
PC (Not even released, pirating started yesterday): 3,000
PS3 (Leaked early): 1900
360 (Leaked): 1200
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>>163223225
>implying it isn't just as easy to pirate on PS3 and 360

It's like the only excuse you fucks can come up with.
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>>163226457

Let's get this shit started.

>PC is killing gaming, dudes buying cheap pc parts and slapping em together make no money for the PC industry,

PC hardware is its own, separate industry and it is doing fine thank you very much. It is doing so well in fact that these companies can put the worst hardware they have in the next generation of consoles and you morons will drool over it.

> therefore no money for future development

No PC or console company gets money for games development from hardware sales.

This generation and the next have been console manufacturers taking PC parts out of the bargain bin and cramming them into a poorly ventilated box. They have then sold this device at a loss. So which approach to hardware is shooting itself in the foot?

>Rampant piracy

One pirate download does not equal one missed sale. Piracy is mostly broke 13-18 year olds who want to try a whole bunch of games, some of whom will then go and buy the ones they really like. Anyone with a job can buy all the games they want. As for PC gamers not spending money, PC gamers just pledged $6.2m to a game not due out for 2 years. There is plenty of money in the platform.

>steam sales

Because developers get no choice, right? How is it a bad thing, exactly, to get a whole bunch of new people playing your game? It would be almost impossible to sell a digital copy at a loss, and if your game is good then people will remember that when your next one comes out.

>nerds building chinese pc's on the cheap

Your wit is scathing.

>piracy and hacking

Piracy has been addressed. Hacking is really not as widespread as you seem to think it is. Hacking is entirely possible in consoles too, and don't tell me that you children are above cheating.

And just so you know, you type like a 12 year old. So I guess I'm sticking to my initial argument that yes, you are retarded.
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>>163228104
It isn't, do you actually believe this?
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>>163228067
>Meanwhile, on used sales...
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>>163219418
>NAME ONE SPECIFIC THING THAT DOESN'T GO UNDER THESE EXTREMELY BROAD GROUPS
>haha u cant check and mate ;)

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
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>>163228024
How about you actually make your points clear and stop wasting time on pointless posts?
Or can it be that you have no point? That's usually the case with people that keep saying "hurr read the thread".
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>>163218714
A 600$ computer is 4 times more powerful than a console. Kill yourself.
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>>163228067
I'm a pcfag but if I was R*, I'd be pretty concerned too ; Making a good PC port would cost a ton and being this anticipated it'd probably be pirated to hell and back even though there'd probably be decent sales as well. So even if I think they're cunts, I understand their reasoning.
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>>163228201
>Implying used sales have any effect in comparison to PC piracy

Why do you think so many AAA developers are backing away from the platform
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>>163228330
My point was that there was more innovation on PC, like 20 posts ago.
You were just too lazy or dumb to follow the discussion you just interrupted.
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>>163227849
>>163226891
He sort of crushed your point there, buck-o. Consoles haven't innovated any new game play since, well, ever.

Every kind of game available on consoles now were first developed for stand-alone arcade cabinets or a PC OS. Consoles may innovate new interactive technologies that make users do things like wagglan and walk in place, but that's only a gimmick that makes games more difficult to enjoy. Nothing has come out on consoles to show that those gimmicks are integral to the design.

The last innovation in game play was the minecraftian sandbox-adventure, and all those were made for PC. No gimmicks required, bro.
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>>163228196
Of course it is, I used to pirate shit on the 360 all the time.

All you need is a second controller and a modded profile.
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>Game has shit graphics but good gameplay a la Mount and Blade or San Andreas

GOTYAY HOLLLLLLYYYYYY SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT


>Game looks great and is bound to bring more of the same enjoyment we've found in every other installment of the series

HURRRRRR LOW RES TEXTURES ON A BUILDING I'LL NEVER GO INTO 30 MILES THAT WAY, ABSOLUTE PIECE OF SHIT DAY 2345 PIRATE

You disgust me /v/, just enjoy something for what it is for once
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>>163228497
>Making a good PC port would cost a ton

Read some numbers on the Alan Wake porting, then you'll feel dumb.
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>>163228067
Wow.
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>>163222140
Why are consolefags so glad they get an inferior product? And yes, it is inferior, this is not up for debate. The PC version of any console game is ALWAYS technically superior.
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>>163228534
>Why do you think so many AAA developers are backing away from the platform

By this you mean consoles, right?
Or are you in 2005 by any chance?
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>>163228497
Wrong. LA noir got ported and it was definitely profitable.
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>>163228548
Halo invented regenerating... armor, which became regen health. Now our games are much better with it!
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>>163228534
They aren't. In fact PC gaming is becoming more popular.
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>>163228534
Are you fucking kidding me?
Do really consolefags believe piracy does mroe harm than used sales?

Oh boy it's gonna be fun when next gen doesn't allow second hand games.
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>my dinner could taste better if i bought and used expensive ingredients like truffle for my daily meals
>if i don't that means i'm a pleb than "settles for less" and any food i make isn't worth eating because of notruffle
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>>163228131
word to that brutha
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I bet my right testicle that gta 5 will get a port. It always has and always will. In fact PC has been making more money for rockstar as of late.
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>>163228651
And how much The Witcher 2 cost.

People really think the development of a game takes the biggest chunk of the budget.
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>>163228875
It's more like eating a one dollar burguer in which you have to preorder for ketchup instead of a steak.
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>>163228875
It's more like
Consoles = McDonald's
PC = A perfectly cooked steak dinner
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>>163228870
>Oh boy it's gonna be fun when next gen doesn't allow second hand games.
And when it allows forced ads and dlc and microtransactions up the ass, because hey they're doing so well in F2P games on the PC.

The next consoles are going to be shit.
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>>163229003
You always see consolefags say the reason graphics suck is because it takes a lot of money and time. The best looking games this generation were all make relatively cheaply.
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>>163218868
More shit's going on in the BG. Events, bigger world, etc.
Plus it's on shitty gonsol pladform :--DDDDDD so the graphics will have to take a hit. Just wait for the PC release.
>it never gets released
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>>163228543
That isn't a point, since it has no meaning. You say there's "more" innovation on PC because the FPS genre started on PC?
Your entire argument is so utterly stupid yet you cling to it because you desperately want to win to give yourself a personal victory just to feel better, like a little child. Get over yourself.
All of this both irrelevant not only not a fact, but has nothing at all to do with the topic at hand, GTA5 might not come out on PC.
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>>163228746
>>163228651
Were they good ports ?
Either way, if they bothered to make ports for those games which were not going to see a PC release then maybe they'll port this one considering that GTA games are a proven concept. Either way you would've had to wait for the port months or even a year.

I don't get R*s logic of first giving pc audience the cold shoulder by saying L.A Noire and Alan Wake are console releases then after people forgot about them made the port. You'd think that they would want to cash in on the port while the buzz around it was still hot.
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>>163229414
Haha oh wow.
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>>163228548
>Consoles haven't innovated any new game play since, well, ever.

Are you clearly this stupid and utterly ignorant? No innovation ever has happend on consoles?
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>>163228548
0/10
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>>163229414
>GTA5 might not come out on PC
Don't be a moron. Every single main GTA game has seen a PC release, as did LA Noire and Max Payne 3.
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>>163229548
Alan Wake was actually a good port. It made back the money it has costed in a metter of hours, and Remedy made peace with their PC audience.

LA Noire not so much. But having already heard it was shit from console users and bveing released at the same time Rockstar shat on PC denyina a RDR version didn't help sales.
It still was profitable.
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>>163227938
So, if in a game you can't win at the end, it's not a game?

Fuck you, you don't even believe that shit
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>developers want money
>the mainstream has money
>the mainstream has consoles
>developers make games for consoles
>developers get money
>mainstream is happy
>developers are happy

more people have consoles than have pcs

while pcs are more capable of running/advancing games and would probably be more beneficial to video games, there just isnt enough money in that market for people to stop focusing on consoles

bastion and mincraft are both available as pc games, but the mainstream plays/buys them on consoles

that's just the way it is
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>>163218868
Thats Rockstar North for ya.
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>>163229124
>>163229228
Wrong. The argument is that "everything is better on PC, always, no matter what". If you don't stick to this "rule" you're a pleb because you "settle for less".

In other words, my dinner would ALWAYS taste better with the most expensive truffle I can find and if I don't always eat my dinner with said truffle added to it I'm a pleb because I "settle for less".
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>>163229875
But you would also settle for less with the burguer and steak example, are you fucking dumb?
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>there is no money in the PC game industry
>PC is dead/dying

You're simply wrong, see image.

Source: http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/97047-thank-you-farmville-pc-gaming-will-soon-overtake-consoles

>a console is much more reasonably priced than a PC

But you're on a PC right now, aren't you? Combine the cost of your PC with the cost of a console a few months after launch. Hell, within the first 18 months of launch. You could probably get a pretty decent PC for that, and from there on out you'd be paying less for games.

>console exclusives

There are entire genres on PC which you simply don't have due to being tied to one control option. RTS, TBS, flight-sim, MOBA, and more. If a controller is better for a game - usually due to lazy developers but sometimes a limit of M+KB - then I can plug in whatever I want and use that.
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>>163228729
Because not only do we get it first but It's GT fucking A
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>>163228131

>PC hardware is its own, separate industry and it is doing fine thank you very much. It is doing so well in fact that these companies can put the worst hardware they have in the next generation of consoles and you morons will drool over it.

PC has multiple uses, not just as a gaming machine. You seriously believe it's games driving the PC forward? More real world applications tard. And to clarify, I am talking about PC as a gaming platform

>No PC or console company gets money for games development from hardware sales.

no shit, theyre making hardware, not developing games. The device has been sold at a loss, made up for tenfold in software sales, often by the same company e.g Microsoft

>One pirate download does not equal one missed sale. Piracy is mostly broke 13-18 year olds who want to try a whole bunch of games, some of whom will then go and buy the ones they really like. Anyone with a job can buy all the games they want. As for PC gamers not spending money, PC gamers just pledged $6.2m to a game not due out for 2 years. There is plenty of money in the platform.

Lot of implications there

read this, might make things clearer
computerandvideogames.com/364271/pc-piracy-rate-above-90-says-ubisoft/#

saying pc piracy isn't a problem and pc gamers are generous is fucking retarded because it's just not true

>Because developers get no choice, right? How is it a bad thing, exactly, to get a whole bunch of new people playing your game? It would be almost impossible to sell a digital copy at a loss, and if your game is good then people will remember that when your next one comes out.

because not as much money is being made, less time and development can be put towards new games, even digital downloads have a price factored into cost of creation/release/dev etc, you do know how businesses work right?
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>>163229857
More people have PCs. Its just that consoles have marketing and idiots will follow what the ads say.
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>>163228131

>Piracy has been addressed. Hacking is really not as widespread as you seem to think it is. Hacking is entirely possible in consoles too, and don't tell me that you children are above cheating.

And just so you know, you type like a 12 year old. So I guess I'm sticking to my initial argument that yes, you are retarded.

Piracy has been addressed, DRM? haha Hacking not widespread? go to pirate bay, kat.ph, or any of the other million piracy sites, I beg to differ

You are teh autist
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>>163229875
Name me one PC version that is worse than the console version.
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>>163229228
consoles=5 guys/in and out
PC=Perfect steak dinner

>ftfy
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>>163230284
But In and out is actually really fucking good.
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>>163229414
That's some fine huttburt, there.

Every GTA has been released on PC, and there's no reason they won't since consoles are dying and being replaced with mobile and digital distribution platforms.
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>>163230151
i mean pcs capable of running modern games

out of all of those pcs, how many are apple/some other os that cant run modern games?

how many are shitty laptops?

how many are just outdated and shit?

i've talked to people about video games and many of them are shocked that the pc is even a gaming platform

those who were aware only knew about LoL and Minecraft
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>>163229793
#spoilerd text# RDR (\spoilers)
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>>163230284
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>>163230031
Are you slow? The argument is that you should *always* go with the best. In other words PC.
In the case of the food, that's truffle.
Several people also said that if I *don't* always settle for the best (PC) I'm a pleb that "settles for less".

The point I made is that my dinner tasted good even without the truffle. You however try to equate that to shit (i.e. hamburgers). But here's the thing, you try and twist it so that these console games are unplayable pieces of shit, which they aren't. People are content with them, in other words they equate to a tasty meal that could be improved with truffle.
The difference is I don't try and twist things around for stupid reasons.
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>>163230040
You don't even need to take into consideration that you are on a PC now, pcs are still more reasonable priced. Two years ago you could get a PC in australia that could max out crysis for 300 dollars. Not only should parts have gone done, but it was in Australia where hardware costs more.

And if you consider the power of a pc you can get for 400 dollars, even with the higher price it is more reasonable.
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>>163230701
>you can max out crisis for 300 dollars
0/10
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>>163230247
The fact that you even typed that response means that my example (which was intended to make things easier to understand) was too complicated for you.
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>>163221237
From the mouths of console plebs.
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>>163230515
RDR isn't GTA but L.A Noire, Alan Wake and Max Payne 3 were on the PC after RDR
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>>163230610

but teh chinese just made cheaper steaks and millions of them

tastes nice now, enjoy the toilet later
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>>163230040
>But you're on a PC right now, aren't you?
>Combine the cost of your PC with the cost of a console a few months after launch. Hell, within the first 18 months of launch. You could probably get a pretty decent PC for that

True but the fact is that consoles go down in price and can still run the games made for them without upgrade.
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>>163219536
Ladies and gentlemen, the modern masterrace.
Oh how have we fallen.
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>>163230428
>That's some fine huttburt, there.

That's funny, what am I asspained about? The only asspain I see ITT are people upset over the fact that not all games are on PC and the fact that consoles exist. In all likelyhood, you're one of these people. So your post is actually ironic.
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>>163230856
>Alan Wake

What has it got to do with Rockstar?
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>>163230701

links, prices for a full build or you are fucking AYTIST

factor in delivery price etc too
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>>163222518
Way late on this comment, but you do realize they do the same thing for PS3 right?

They make the worst version (360) which is the easiest to work with, and port it over to the playstation.
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>>163231015
Google falcon guide.
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>>163230823
My point is you should never willingly choose less or you are a pleb.
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>caring about the graphics in a GTA game
It's like you guys only played IV
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>>163230383
That's the point

implying 5 guys isn't just as good
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>>163231123
>wanting someone else to prove your point for you
Nope. You can't build a pc for 300 that runs Crysis on max settings at 60 FPS
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>>163230958
>Upgrades
Look at this fag. My 2008 computer was 600$ and has no problem playing games. You only have to upgrade every 5-7 years and even then its cheaper than buying a whole new console.
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>>163231130
GTA3 and VC had great graphics at release.
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>>163231126
>My point is you should never willingly choose less or you are a pleb.

see >>163230610
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>>163231123

that's not a link

google 'cheap magic console'

I win
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>>163231240
>You can't build a pc for 300 that runs Crysis on max settings at 60 FPS

Funny, because /g/ already has done it.
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>Butthurt autistic whining because they'll have to wait 6 months till the shitty PC port is out

Stay mad /v/
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>>163231341
Prove it
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>>163231259
Again. You shouldn't settle for less. You shouldn't.
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>>163231247
So you can play all games on max settings with a $600 build and you haven't had to upgrade at all since?

I'm gonna need a parts list and wherever you shopped at.
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>consoles exist and they have games this is an outrage

Were you born yesterday?
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>>163231261
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=falcon+guide

Now it's a link.
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>>163230984
Oh wait it doesn't. Whoops.
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>>163231341

Seen that chinese farmer that built the helicopter or plane out of wood?

I mean, it's possible but........
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>>163231470
I did, but you somehow didn't accept my answer.
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That is some serious autism.

You actually pause games and comb over static textures with your eyes?
Screenshots or not, why do you care about what a console game looks like? You make it sound like consoles are known for their tremendous power.
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>>163219263
>Stop having fun!
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>>163231503
That doesn't show us a PC that can run Crysis at max at 60 fps
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>>163231479
I never said I had to max. But I can play all games and much better than consoles. You are an idiot.
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>>163231530
It's a build from newegg, 300 bucks, can max Crysis, you order and pay it, it's not rocket science.
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>>163231636
It does, don't act like you actually checked it.
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>>163231779
Show me then
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>>163231503

can't find it

One from a year ago and a wiki with warnings that the guide isn't actually a real world price guide

the mystery of the cheap super gaming rig continues......

halp?
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>>163231818
I did.
Can't you follow a link and check an image?
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>>163224691
>Implying the best looking games of any console don't always come out at the end of that console's life

what is optimization

R* are just lazy devs
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>>163231471
Wrong, what you *should* settle for that which you consider is good enough.
Even you don't always for settle for perfection in life, so don't try and come and tell me that you should settle for anything less than perfection. Especially since in many instances things can *always* be better.
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>>163231921
Nope, post the image and show me where it says this rig will run crysis at max settings at 60 fps for $300
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>>163231818
>>163231779
>>163231636
>>163231581
>>163231503
>>163231470

please stop

this argument is stupid and getting nowhere
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>>163231921

your autist is showing

>hey anon, what is 5+5
>everyone knows that
>so what is it
>everyone knows that
>so what is it

you are retarded because you don't know what 5+5 is, don't ask me again
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>>163219840
There are actually people this retarded
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>>163221857
hurrrrr, What is dog chocolate
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>>163232179
>ask for proof
>get given
>NOOO IT DOENS'T COUNT, SHOW ME!
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>>163232372
The proof has never once been posted in this thread. Post an image of it showing us. Telling us to google something isn't proof.
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San Andreas 2. Get ready.
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>>163222518
>Give PC what it deserves

check your privilege, it's not their fault you spent 800$ on a computer
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>>163228067
>Game comes out one month later for PC players
>Game gets leaked, obviously done
>No reason to have kept people waiting
>People on PC can't buy it either way
>Torrents, ho!
Meanwhile
>Game comes out on PS3, Xbox
>Is available for purcahse
>People buy it
holy shit people will buy your game if they can buy your game
this is some voodoo economics right here
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>>163221604
>low sales
On a GTA game? where the fuck do you live
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>>163231251
No, they blatantly made Vice City cartoonish and it worked, my favorite out of the series.
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>>163220489
Small Change was the best pleby mc plebian
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I love that PC nerds are so butthurt that they constantly backtrack everything they say or do.
It's like you talk shit about the game, or the graphics, but in a different thread all you do is complain about how much you want it on your shitty platform.

Console Master race.
I'm not even fucking mad. I'll be having fun on launch while PCFAGS are on here crying about the game they don't have.
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>>163230504
>>163230151
>>163229857

/thread
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>>163230090

>PC has multiple uses, not just as a gaming machine.

That's true, what's your point?

>You seriously believe it's games driving the PC forward? More real world applications tard. And to clarify, I am talking about PC as a gaming platform
>I am talking about PC as a gaming platform
>You seriously believe it's games driving the PC [gaming platform] forward?

Er... yes?

>no shit, theyre making hardware, not developing games. The device has been sold at a loss, made up for tenfold in software sales, often by the same company e.g Microsoft

If they are making "hardware, not developing games" then how are they the "same company" which makes it back "tenfold in software sales"?

I'll tell you how before you strain yourself trying to think. Sony and Microsoft get a cut of the box price, and they charge developers for every update or addition. So from that $60 copy of BLOPS2 your unfortunate mother bought you, that is divided between the store, the publisher and Microsoft.

Compare to Steam: you get the $60 game for about $40, and although Valve gets a cut most of the money goes to the developers, where it belongs.

>read this, might make things clearer

Ubisoft have continually pushed mediocre, overpriced games which have aggressive anti-piracy measures. Now, someone has the option to a) buy the game and deal with DRM bullshit or b) get the same game, for nothing, without the DRM. In this case the pirate is getting a BETTER PRODUCT for a BETTER PRICE.

By the way you might want to read your own source, as the first paragraph is about Ubisoft wanting to invest more in the PC market.

>because not as much money is being made

So by your logic the game with the highest price point makes the most money, right?

You produce a game and offer it for $100. Nobody buys it. How much money are you making here? Nothing.
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idort mustard race

>mfw all these people complaining about graffix
>mfw it finally comes out for PC all these same people are going to be excited when pirating it, making their platform even less attractive to developers
>mfw the cycle repeats for every other console game



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11/19/12(Mon)18:02
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Anonymous 11/19/12(Mon)18:02 No.163219303
>>163218868
Top one is a cutscene model, the bottom one could be an in-game model.