Because opinions.
Also I wish they would've waited with GTA V til the next generation since it seems to me like they're breaking their own rule of why they considered GTA IV to be the first "real" sequel to GTA III.

>>161130658
But there are REASONS for opinions. What is it that /v/ values that the game critics don't and vice versa in this case?

>>161130718
I think what turned a lot of people of from GTA IV was the whole "crims is srs business" theme of the game. And a lot of the fun shit of the previous games had been cut out and there were never really any super crazy missions like in the previous titles.
But some people liked the realistic, gritty take on GTA so it basically comes down to a matter of preference.

because children that can't into realistic driving

>>161130932

It wasn't even gritty.

It didn't have nearly enough depth to be considered gritty. It spread itself too thin with too many characters in order to develop sufficient story depth to have such a shallow gameplay mechanic.

It wasn't even funny. So what was it? Mediocre.

/v/ doesn't get free doritos and mountain dew to like games.

>>161131050
>hovercraft physics
>realistic driving
lolno.
>winning rdsfull

GTA IV was a shitty movie/dating sim which was a huge letdown after how much fun San Andreas was.

GTAIII, VC and SA never took themselves seriously. Sure in III there was an aesthetic of down to Earth realism, but it still joked around. I also found those games had more memorable characters. I'll never forget Lance Vance, or Love Fist, or Woozie, or Big Smoke etc. I can't remember anybody from IV besides Brucie, and Roman because he was fucking annoying.

>>161131050
The driving physics in GTA IV are not realistic, actually try getting behind the wheel of a car.

2 reasons.

1. Reviewers are paid off.

2. Reviewers rarely revise their ratings.

GTAIV got a lot of it's high scores because of the hype. Even most of /v/ thought the game was amazing for the first week.

The difference being that, over time, the effect of hype wore off and the collective opinion of /v/ shifted while the mainstream scores are pretty much eternal.

GTA IV is in every way a worse game than San Andreas other than graphics, which are only better because of the console generation leap.

The critics got all swept up in the graphics, story, and advertising campaign. They completely ignored the shit gunplay and driving, and less content compared to san andreas.

Ironically the same is true for RDR but /v/ loves that game.

>>161131380
I felt the same. Plus the driving physics plus the car camera.

It's a great game on it's own, but after SA, that's not nearly enough

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>>161130456 (OP)
>toll booths

Good God, I hated those things so incredibly much.

Aside from that, the empire-building aspect of VC and SA was removed in IV; instead buying properties, blinging yourself out and going on all sorts of activities, you were stuck being a small-time criminal with severe depression.

What got added instead were the fucking phonecalls from your gfs and cazaan, asking you to go bowling and barhopping with them every god-damned night, lest you lose your relationship. In effect, playing the game was more of a chore than an adventure.

pic unrelated

>>161131793
>implying horse control in RDR was a problem
>implying RDR was rockstar trying "pure gritty realism"

I've played every GTA since its creation I really don't understand the hate for this one.

>>161131969
I read "troll booths"

Crtiics want the gaming industry to be taken more seriously, so GTA4 becoming more realistic is a good thing to them. /v/ and every other gamer on the planet just want fun, so they play GTA:SA, Saints Row 2 and Just Cause 2 instead.

Also, hype. Unless a game is Daikatana bad, more hype = perfect reviews.

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Dunno.
I guess /v/ are fagets.
I fucking love GTA IV.
>pic related
Also, I ahve 312 games on Steam.

>>161132052
I wouldn't call it hate (at least in my case it's not),
but more of a case of disappointment.

No Countryside

People on /v/ only hate it because it sucks for pc

There's nothing wrong with it.

>>161132302
That's the strangest list of hours I've ever seen, I don't understand it at all.

It's a true console game.
The first one that runs like shit on the pc.

Because /v/ is populated by a bunch of complete faggots who never likes the newest installment of anything unless it's made in Japan.

>>161132440
How come?

>>161132474
I liked Human Revolution, and X-COM Enemy Unknown.

GTA IV was massive disappointment. And it obviously was to a lot of people since after its launch game stores had used sections filled with copies of it.

>>161132427
Yeah it was pretty blatantly a console and console alone game.

GFWL fucking you in the ass, barely functional settings.

One time I put the "Vehicle Density" slider to full because I don't have a 7 year old CPU like consoles, the game was full of traffic and the AI had no idea how to handle it so ever single junction had gigantic pile ups where NPCs would just start driving into each other.

>>161132302
Fuck you!

It was a double bluff.

>>161132474

this place is usually /a/ with video games, with retarded anigay games. They'll lap anything up with a little girl on the cover.

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IV was good, it wasn't great.

>Lack of variety
>Plot filler
>Few sandbox elements
>Cognitive dissonance

Game critics aren't gamne critics, they're game reviewers.

>>161132603
Double- What?

>>161132586

>gfwl

Jesus christ its worse than I imagined.

>>161132520
Playing Portal 2 for more than 10 hours
Playing Team Fortress 2 for more than 10 but less than 400
Playing Deus Ex: HR for about 7 hours more than a normal playthrough would take
Playing the original deus Ex on Steam

What kind of person are you?

because /v/ is filled with trolls. anybody who doesn't like GTA is entitled to their opinion, anybody who says it's a bad game quite frankly doesn't understand what GTA is. expecting GTAIV to have all the bells and whistles that San Andreas did after building a brand new engine for current gen consoles was kidding themselves. the game has been for four and a half years, the only disappointment from GTAIV is that it's taken this long to get a true sequel.

Because San Andreas nostalgia.

IV committed the mortal sin of not being San Andreas.

>>161132896
VC/III are nostalgia.
San Andreas is objectively awesome.

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>>161132427
GTA4 on PC shits on the console version

>>161132972
>VC/III are nostalgia
>San Andreas is objectively awesome.

Woah there you seem to have that the wrong way there, let me fix it for you

>VC/III are objectively awesome.
>San Andreas is nostalgia

>>161130456 (OP)
Because critics are paid off and not even like video games but have to make money somehow.

Also:
Engine =/= game
tBoGT was what GTAIV should’ve been: fun.

More of this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYWUUCoUfyY

And less of this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejduKYNqvTw

>>161132852
>because /v/ is filled with trolls.
>anybody who says it's a bad game quite frankly doesn't understand what GTA is.

>Anyone who disagrees with me is a troll!

Are you that insecure in your own opinion that you need to tell yourself that nobody reasonable can disagree with you? People don'r criticize IV to rile you up, they simply have a problem with the game.

>>161131132
Fucking exactly.

The game acts like LJ is supposed to be some important person in your life, but he shows up in 2-3 missions in the game and is then entirely forgotten about until the final mission.

That is one of GTA4's main problems. The characters are all throw away. They show up for 2-3 missions and then are entirely forgotten about. It's the exact same thing for the main plot and villain whose name I don't even remember. Dmitri I think maybe?

The middle 2/3 of the game is copy+paste generic mafioso asks you to kill other generic mafioso for some reason over and over again.

Then they suddenly go "oh right, we were supposed to have a plot and a villain and character development right? oh shit" and that's the last mission.

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>>161133148

>>161133163

>hurr critics are paid off

any proof?

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>>161133239

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>>161132771
>Playing Portal 2 for more than 10 hours
My little sister played through it once too, and I've played through the multiplayer + some custom maps.
>Playing Team Fortress 2 for more than 10 but less than 400
Started playing just recently (despite having owned it since before hats). Also, I don't idle.
>Playing Deus Ex: HR for about 7 hours more than a normal playthrough would take
I like to check out every little scrap of every little corner in these kinds of games. Haven't even completed it.
>Playing the original deus Ex on Steam
I had never heard of it before I came to /v/. Played it for the first time 1 year ago, and fucking loved it.
What's the issue with owning it on Steam?

Also, here are my all-time favourites (top 10), if it helps map my game-psyche;
>Link's Awakening
>Morrowind
>Deus Ex
>Castlevania: Dawn of Sorrow
>Super Mario 64
>Contra 4
>Sauerbraten
>Cave Story
>Spyro: Year of The Dragon
>Grandia

Looking forward to your assessment.

Bad optimization for PC. Its 2013 and i still didn't find a descent fix for that.

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>hurr durr too serious
If you're too fucking stupid to pay attention to details. The radio stations, the internet, the billboards, the dialogues, smart jokes and references everywhere, you just gotta stop expecting them to slap right into your face.

>>161133239
They are not 'paid' in a literal sense.

It's all about early review copies, exclusive deals and preview access. and threats to withdraw advertising.

It just didn't have that feel that the other games had and I felt it was really unresponsive most of the time which is game breaking in my opinion.

I literally cannot understand how any says GTA4 is a bad game. I can accept it being mediocre, but 'bad' is a step too far. Same with Half Life 2

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All the dark shit in GTA 4 makes me want to die. Like your date randomly asking for cocaine, or that lady in Ballad of Gay Tony that kills herself because you won't date her, or that random guy on the street that admits to fucking his godson and goddaughter in a threesome just a few hours earlier. It isn't fun anymore. Its so depraved I want to kill myself and everyone in that shitty city.

>>161133526
This.
I think it's just hipsterdom and nostalgia.

Am I the only one who thought that GTA San Andreas was one of the weaker games in the series?

>>161131972
Press x every four seconds (or gallops), now your problem is solved.

ricer warm

>>161133412
UwotM8.
It was patched ages ago.
It runs fine on decent computers now.

>>161132216
>/v/
>fun
lolno.

Well, I liked GTAIV more than the older ones. Particularly for the stronger, more involved narrative.

>>161133438
>implying that the characters weren't bland and realistic
>implying that the constant phone calls were fun
>>161133635
>tipping on even the slightest of speed increase
>good
nope.jpg

>>161133438
All the 'funny' shit seems extremely out of place now. Its a deeply disturbing nihilistic story with gags hidden deep in the background.

Did you know that GTA4 had street gangs? I didn't until years and years later. They look exactly like normal people.

>>161133475

I know there's early access, but any proof of the others?

>>161133148
You said yourself you only get 30-40fps with a 660 (ti?). It still requires much more power to run than it ever should have.

GTA IV was the best game so far
It matured, unlike it's fanbase

>>161133548
Or that child murderer you that you drive him to dump a body,

>>161133148
are you that guy from the water mod thread?

>>161133818
>implying you can't turn your phone off for some free roam fun
>implying dialogue can't be good regardless of how throwaway the characters are

>>161134057
Maturing != Automatically good

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>>161134039
You must be new here.

Imagine Diablo 2 gameplay, but every now and then you get long as shit existential dialogue straight out of Torment. They're good in separate games, but just don't mix together.
That's how those srsbusiness parts feelt to me in GTA4. Loved mafia, but sticking some sort of "crime bad, killing bad" speech or some "moral dillemas" beteween missions where you just slaughter dozens of random factory workers or something while listening to penis jokes on radio just feels odd.
Oh and that bitch Kate, neve gave a shit about her, and it's really annoying when game tells me I do.

>>161133818
Who are you quoting?

>>161134239

No, it just occurred to me that there's not alot of proof. Got any sources? If not, fuck off.

>>161134180
>implying "couzin" doesn't bitch you out for switching your phone off

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It's an amazing game. Settled.

>>161131735
Most games have like a "honeymoon" phase where it's really good for a week or so then the dusts settles and you notice the flaws and issues.

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>>161134039
>>161134341
0/troll
pls go away IGN

It was a step back from SA and VC in a lot of ways like mission variety and content

>>161132302
Enjoy those 312 games once Gaben stops supporting the Steam servers.

>>161131795
Exactly my opinion. GTA4 just isn't good enough after the incredible amount of things you could do in GTA:SA

>>161134370
I still can't grasp the problem. Load save, turn phone off, do some free roaming, load save again if you want to progress in the story. No sympathies lost.

>>161130456 (OP)
They don't they all think it's fucking fantastic, because all critics these days are so fucking casual they couldn't pick out a problem if it stabbed them in the eye.
The difference in score is the difference in pay off.

>>161134668
Shouldn't have to go out of my way to have some fun in a video game without the game punishing me for it.

>>161134627
>It was a step back from SA and VC in a lot of ways like mission variety and content

Both of these are wrong. It's times like this I'm glad just about everyone disagrees with /v/.

You faggots just can't help yourselves, as soon as something new is considered good almost unanimously you freak the fuck out.

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>>161134630

If only there were a way to illegally download games without buying them. Hmm...

Captcha: dednigra
pic related

>>161134668
>load save, turn phone off, do some free roaming
>load save again if you want progress in the story

You can't be serious.
You are defending a game by saying that its shitty mechanic can be circumvented?

Police were too easy.

>>161134771
>GTA IV
>More content than San Andreas

No, shut the fuck up.

>>161134798
How do you turn your phone off?

>>161134771

Then there's faggots like you who are so easily woo'd by shiny new graphics you completely ignore gameplay and accept highly polished crap like GTA IV.

Instead of having sweet awesome missions like stealing jetpacks in SA or having amazing car chases, it makes you play Gears of War with its horrendous shooting mechanics.

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>>161134771
>Person calmly points out why he didn't like the game
>OH MY GOD YOU GUYS FREAK OUT ABOUT THE STUPIDEST SHIT

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Nothing that was added in GTA4 was a significant gameplay improvement over San Andreas. They just added things that were distracting and pointless.

The quality of storytelling was great, and the production values were up to the standard we'd expect from a Rockstar release. It was a good game, just not a great one.

Saints Row 2 was the GTA game Gotham deserved.

>>161134771
Question, anon: why do you and people like you stoop to ad popolum arguments and silly namecalling when defending GTA IV, while those with stellar opinions of the game can point out their problems in a reasonable manner?

>>161134798
I'm defending a game because you're a fucking autist who makes a huge buzz about what's basically nothing.

>boohoo I have to load my savegame again how can anyone in the world allow this we should boycott Rockstar and burn their offices down

>>161134965
> The quality of storytelling was great
> GTA IV
> great storytelling

Dohohohoho

>>161135013
>your le autist XD

Straight fucking idiot.

>>161134630
Well, whenever that happens I can pirate to my heart's content without feeling a figment of guilt.
As it is though, it is actually really nice to have a single hub where I can connect with friends and play anything online without having to worry about version conflicts, patches, etc.

I used to be a full-fledged pirate, though.
I've wasted an awful lot of money since those days...
Still pirate-only when it comes to my DS and Kindle, movies and software tools.

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>No mission variety
>Boring weapons and very few of them at that
>No real rewards for traditional GTA things like packages (thanks for the helicopter I could steal 10 hours ago)
>Shitty and generic 2deep4me story (which is probably the reason for the first 3 problems)

Don't get me wrong, the core game is better in every single way - even the driving. The problem is the content either dull or not there at all.

>>161134965
Shame Volition got the completely wrong message about Saints Row 2

>Guys, they liked the slapstick humor in between the dead serious story segments
>Well clearly we should make Saints Row 3 as random as possible and remove all seriousness

The Carlos mercy killing in SR2 will always stick with me.

>>161135038

Unless you're going to offer a counterargument, don't bother posting. You add nothing.

>>161135117
> Don't get me wrong, the core game is better in every single way - even the driving.
> the driving

You mean the worst thing about GTA IV?

Anyone who says the driving is good is a faggot who's never driven a real car and thinks unrealistically bad handling = good and realistic.

>>161135013
>ctrl+f "boycott"
>1 result: you

Yeah, you're not making yourself look like a retard there at all.

Because game critics became ingulfed in hype and scores aren't changed retroactively.

>OMG BEST GTA EVER!
>less fun than prior games
>takes itself too seriously
>way to much time spend on characters despite them being boring
>escaping the cops becomes more luck focused

>>161135190

If your argument consists of nothing but "its storytelling is good" then an appropriate counterargument is that it's not.

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>>161134840
Prove it.

inb4 a list that only weighs the positives on San Andreas and negatives of IV.

>>161134905
>Then there's faggots like you who are so easily woo'd by shiny new graphics

When did graphics come into this? Fucking retard.

>>161134935
>person calmly points out why he didn't like the game with statements that wouldn't be subjective

Fixed that for you.

>>161134969
>ad popolum arguments

You'll find I didn't say it was good because it was popular, just pointed out that /v/ is one of the few places that says the opposite. /v/, for the most part, has shitty taste.

Ad populum isn't really a fallacy either. The whole world sees the colour red and knows it's red, therefor it is red. Should we change the name to suit colour blind persons?

>>161135146
But SR2 was shit, so what were they to do?
I don't see how anyone could've seen anything good in that horrid mess.

>>161135146

Yeah, that is a shame. I agree 100%.

SR2 had some goddamn hardcore moments in the story. Shit was intense.

>>161135146
Saints Row 4 will be about the Saints fighting aliens.

>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saints_Row_(series)
>The official description: "Saints Row: The Third - Enter the Dominatrix picks up immediately following the events of Saints Row: The Third. For centuries, alien warlord Zinyak has eyed Earth and its precious natural resources and females with a watchful eye. As he prepares an armada for invasion, he has only one worry: the Third Street Saints.".

I don't think "serious" is enough of a description for GTA IV, it was more "depressing" if anything. Like... big run down city with average looking cars, sympathetic protagonist forced into a life of crime, serious storyline, gloomy environment.

I liked the other games because they were an exaggerated parody of America, an escape from reality where you're allowed to have fun in the world as a psychopathic criminal... but IV, it did indeed have a more realistic approach to crime, but that also removed a lot of the fun aspects from it.

Basically... I don't want to play GTA in a world where criminals are criminals because the world is a shitty place to live in. It's not fun, it's just sad.

>>161135210
You're denying that the driving in GTA IV was fun? Oh shit guys, the helicopter piloting was shit because that's not how they handle in reality

>>161135210
Anyone who prefers the driving in VC and SA over the driving in GTA 4 has probably never even sat in a car in real life and is unable to cope with any handling model more complex than Mario Kart.

>>161135313

F U N

>>161135117
>Don't get me wrong, the core game is better in every single way - even the driving. The problem is the content either dull or not there at all.
this it was like a tech demo

>>161135270

How about you prove that GTA IV has more content than San Andreas?

>>161135270
>Prove GTA San Andreas had more content

Did you even play the damn game?

More weapons
More clothing options
Full car customization
Airplanes and jets
More helicopters
Much larger sandbox to play in

How is this NOT more content?

>>161135117
>GTA IV
>2deep4me story

Dear, god.

>>161135313

You're so fucking gay I feel like I might get AIDS just from being in this thread with you.

SR2 was fucking great.

>>161133148

I don't get what I'm looking at. It looks like pieces of photographs have been cut into the picture, so you have pieces of very high detail and then areas of low textures.

>>161135270
>person calmly points out why he didn't like the game with statements that wouldn't be subjective
>why he didn't like the game
>wouldn't be subjective
>didn't like the game
>wouldn't be subjective
>like
>not subjective

2/10

>>161135376
>go fast
>car spins out if you wiggle around to avoid obstacles
I don't see how anyone thinks this is enjoyable.

>>161135376
Dude, I love Mario Kart (64 and DS), and GTAIV.

>>161135376

>implying more realistic = always better

lel

Because game critics are usually between 25 and 35 years old, and /v/ is a bunch of 17 year olds.

>>161135486
Are you retarded? Did you learn the word and definition of subjective on /v/ or something?

Outright saying a game is shit is not the same as saying you think the game is shit. Saying a game doesn't have something, when it does, is not a valid argument, because it's a false, objective statement.

Stay in community college, retard

>>161135270
>ad populum

>>161134771
>Both of these are wrong. It's times like this I'm glad just about everyone disagrees with /v/.
>/v/ is wrong because everyone disagrees with /v/.

And also, after that stellar post (>>161134771), there's no point in pretending to be some genteel scholar.

I liked the driving in GTA IV, and I wouldn't mind the same driving system in GTA V.

I still didn't like GTA IV anywhere close to as much as the other games however.

>>161135561

More control and more challenge = always better. Prove me wrong bitch, I dare you.

>>161135630
> Saying a game doesn't have something, when it does, is not a valid argument, because it's a false, objective statement.

Then why are you making false, objective statements?

"I dont vant to kill anymore"

10 minutes later, Niko agrees to kill some innocent dude for 1000 bucks when he already has 2 million and nothing to buy with it.
IV tried to be whacky and serious at the same time, but that ruined both approaches.

>>161135469
No. It was terrible.
It was also, somwhow, a worse port than GTAIV.
It also had the worst driving of any game ever (still kind of fun, but absolutely broken and retarded).
The world was stiff, empty and dead, the controls were clunky (worse than any GTA) and the "humour" was something not even 12-year-olds ought to drag their smilebands at.

>>161133942
>being that autistic

>>161135540
>driving a crappy car
>not expecting it to handle like shit at high speed
>being too unskilled to manage the situation regardless
Yup, you're a dumbass.

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Throwing meatballs into chocolate pudding and reducing sugar won't change light dessert into serious meal.
Adding some moral dillema to GTA while cutting some stuff like tanks and miniguns doesn't make a serious game, it makes it bland

>>161133659
No it doens't.

Game looks like ass and it still chugs on occasion (mostly on afternoon sunlight) on a PC that can run mostly everything. It also completely locks up my PC, I can't alt tab out of it without everything going to shit.

>>161135661

>GTA 4 driving
>more control than San Andreas

Having all cars massively understeer in GTA4 is having more control than being able to make 90 degree turns going at 80 in San Andreas?

Thanks for letting me know you don't know shit and I'm just wasting my time

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>"Dude! GTA IV looks EXACTLY like NYC and New Jersey!"

No it doesn't, you faggot!

GTA4 is boring. It's like they were too focused on TECHNOLOGY to make the game fun to play.
''Critics'' probably give good scores to the game because it looks like a game that deserves good scores and of course ad revenue.

I think GTA IV is the best GTA (including all the shitty GTA-clones), closely followed by GTA and GTA 2.

You thought there would be a subtitle, didn't you? You fucking dumbsack.

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>>161135782
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKBgfN6be8Q

The driving is shit and so are you. A modder did a better job.

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>>161135782
>n-no the d-driving isn't i-inferior! y-you just suck!! BAKA!

>>161135829
Newsflash: You PC is old.
Time for an upgrade.
I'm guessing your PC "chugs" at Crysis too?

>>161135661
>More control and more challenge = always better. Prove me wrong bitch, I dare you.

Counterexample:

>Shifting gears is fully modeled; IJKL controls the direction in which you move the stick. Nothing is shown on the HUD, you have to look down to see in which you are.
>YH and TG move your left/right hand up/down the steering wheel. A and D control the direction in which you move it, but the force you can exert depends on the position of your hands. When taking turns, you have to lift the left/right hand alternatingly with B and N.

This would be vastly more realistic than the currently popular WASD model, yet it would not be more fun.

>>161135839

If you crash into anything while going fast in SA you have absolutely no control over the car what so ever. It's completely random how it's going to flip and turn. The cars have no weight at all. It's like controlling an empty cardboard box.

>>161135839
>taking every word literally
Autist detected (and I mean that seriously, it's actually one of the symptoms of autism). Control in this case means that you're more in charge of handling your vehicle and therefore the outcome of various situations, instead of having it go on rails Mario Kart style for you like in older GTAs.

>>161134905
The gameplay is fucking amazing. I consider it better than San Andreas by a fuckin mile. Better plot, tons of weapons in the two expansions, and better character development. But it still only boils down to a matter of personal opinion, I like it, fuck your opinion. Your, and autistic /v/'s opinion are shit anyway.

I have a confession, /v/. I mostly enjoyed GTAIV because I absolutely love killing civilians.

How realistic it felt, to be in an open world environment and just kill people like that. I spent about 200 hours not advancing in the story, just killing people. I especially loved throwing them down stairs just to see them bounce down.

>>161135930
>Technology

>Nuclear orange sun
>Crash into chain fence and it stops a truck

Nah

>>161136158
If you continually run into a car you can push them easily.

>>161135961

Are we still comparing with SA?

>>161136167
>autist
>random insults

The "arguments" on your side of the debate.

>>161136175
The whole game is a stripped-down version of SA minus the engine.

>>161136203
I don't like GTA IV as much as you do, but I'm glad you enjoyed it.

>>161136103

That's different. That wouldn't be more fun because of shitty controls, not because of manual gears. Manual gearing would be fun as fuck in GTA if it was possible to do it right.

GTA IV was a depressing piece of shit.
The driving wasn't as bad as people say, but it still doesn't excuse how insanely boring and bland everything was, and how gloomy and depressing the characters and environment and whole theme of the game. It was just a miserable sad shitty game for emo kids.

>>161130658
same. V seems like its super ambitious, so i think it'd be cool for them if they waited till next gen to fully utilize the power of next gen systems and remove some jaggies and it'd probably look more outstanding. current gen graphics dont seem to dazzle me any more after i got a new computer. all games just look relatively the same. ditto to halo 4 and assassins creed 3

>>161136167
> Control in this case means that you're more in charge of handling your vehicle and therefore the outcome of various situations

So control in this case means the literal definition of control and there's nothing wrong with my reply?

How the fuck were the older GTAs 'on-rails'? You're just talking out your arse now.

>>161134630
>implying gabe hasn't said he intends to give everyone physical copies of their games when steam goes down

>>161134040
yeah gta iv was horribly optimized for PC. if they can do V on pc like they did max payne 3, we're in for something awesome

Sleeping Dogs is everything GTAIV should have been

>>161136369
>jumping up and down on single words
>ignoring the rest of the my posts with valid points in them

>>161136175

I don't understand why people play GTA for plot and character development?

It's like watching Transformers 2 for plot and character development then saying it's better than the first Transformers because it has a better story.

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GTA IV was a great game but nostalgia faggots can't stand that it wasn't San Andreas 2.

/v/ also hates Kane & Lynch 2 just BECAUSE some lardfat took his anger out on the game that preceded it (and later said it wasn't so bad)

/v/ also blindly loves Max Payne 3, when in actuality it was mediocre as hell

They usually think Red Dead Redemption was the savior of console gaming but it had less of an atmosphere than GTA IV and its multiplayer was really shitty compared to IV's

IV had open-world death match and freemode and TBOGT had cordoned off DM maps. RDR's Deathmatch was better than TBOGTs but still way too much like an arena shooter.

In truth, most of the people that are on /v/ either like shitty games like Halo and COD or don't even play any games like GTA.

Disliking some things about GTA IV and preferring the other games is reasonable, but just going all out by saying that it's complete shit is pants-on-head retarded.

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>same fucking mission over and over (except for the bank robbery)
>boring story (except for the Mcrery's part)
>less things to do compared to San andreas
>HEY COUSSIN LETS GO BOWLING
>godawful pc port

I mean I love GTA as a whole, hell I even play the psp ones but 4 is just... there is not a great game is not a fun game, is just... there.

Now the ballad of gay tony THATS A FUCKING GAME should've been the main game.
pic related best mission on the whole gta4 era

>>161136816
because houser and rockstar usually integrate really good stories within their games. for instance, i consider IV to be their most independent story to date. SA took from boyz n the hood and menace 2 society a lot, VC took from scarface and other 80s films, while IV was a little more independent on where it originated its premises from.

>>161136769

It was horribly optimised for consoles too.

Every time you crashed your car at high speed into another your framerate drops to like 15fps.

It's funny but some of my consolebabby friends didn't even notice until they played it on my computer.

>>161136816

>hurr GTA is about being shitty and having a shitty story etc

It's nice to hear you hate this series.

>>161137057
yeah thats true. and thats another problem with releasing another game on the current gen system; you're still gonna have framerate problems because with games like AC3, LA Noire (holy fuck fps drops), and GTA, theyre just too ambitious for the hardware

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COUSIN LET'S GO BOWLING

>>161137161

>liking the series for story

It's nice to hear that you're the equivalent of a person who likes the Transformers series for the story

Vice City wasn't an oustanding PC port. San Andreas was a terrible PC port with shitty performance and tons of bugs. And nobody ever mentions them, but rides around on GTA 4 because of its port. Why?

>>161136950
>/v/ also blindly loves Max Payne 3

/v/ absolutely HATES Max Pleb 3.

>>161137057
I remember on launch day there were a bunch of videos and shit of people just driving down the road on the console version and the pop in was so bad that they would crash into things that still hadn't been rendered yet.

>>161137259
hipsters
bandwagonning
faggots

Reviewers were hounded into a hotel room for a handful of hours and only played through the opening sections of the game and reviewed it based off that brief hand-son

>>161137259
Because GTA4 doesn't have any redeeming features that make you look over the bad port.

>>161137249

I like the series for a lot of things, the story being one of them. Fuck you.

>>161137259
if i could guess its because nowadays our computers can handle the shittiness. and they're fun

>>161137259
Vice city was a good game
San Andreas was a great game

GTA4 wasn't

>>161137397

HAHAHAH OH SHIT

You actually like Transformers for the story!?

Welp, tanks for making me feel stupid for arguing with an ape.

>>161137216
That didn't stop GTA San Andreas from being the best ps2 era GTA and still the all time favorite for many people.

>>161137294
speak for yourself

the ones that disagree are the stupid care-for-the-story kind who enjoy anime shit

the ones that agree are PC gamers who love new engine, custom content, and open worlds

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>wasn't San Andreas
>people call you on the phone occasionally
>wasn't Saints Row 2
>games are only about fun and can't be about atmosphere and depth
>games that tell a narrative are 2deep4me

0/10 absolute shit

>>161130456 (OP)
You had a character who was super serious and wanted to avoid being a criminal with a somewhat serious plot and then you throw in all the crude GTA satire along with being able to go on rampages throughout the city. It was a weird combination and even the cheat codes weren't great. All you had was the basic refill health, give weapons, remove wanted level and spawn vehicles cheat. No pedestrian riot, people with weapons or even flying cars which were staple cheats since GTA3.

The game just felt like an in depth tech demo for the game engine Rockstar uses.

Everyone was blinded by the hype the first few months, being the next-gen GTA and all. The game fell flat on its face when the hype settled down.

A lot of the little stuff in GTAIV bugged me. Basically, they tried to make an all-encompassing, realistic world while correcting player gripes in SA and the earlier titles

>SA, AmmuNations everywhere
>go to hospital w/o paramedic unlock, lose all guns

>IV, guns illegal to buy and sell
>go to hospital, they let you keep them

>6 stars with cops
>SA, lack of proper game engine means you can sit in a safehouse indefinitely
>>Although, they should have had something along the lines of blowing up the house if you're in it

>IV, proper interior environments exist, but cops won't come past a pseudo-revolving door to come get you, because you're in a "safehouse"

Stuff like that

>>161137449

I don't even like Transformers, what is this I don't even

>>161137294
/v/ is not one person. i loved mp3. boom. counter-point.

>>161137432
San Andreas has the best gameplay of all the GTA games and Vice City had the best setting, music, characters and atmosphere.

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The god tier physics and detail in the world basically made up for all its flaws.

GTA5 will bring everything to the table and become GOTYAY (at least if it comes to PC that is)

>>161137482
thats very true, and a great point. i guess i could try to say that the age difference between the release of PS2 and GTA:SA was really much closer when you relate it to the age difference between ps3 and GTA V. ps2 and gta:SA difference was 4 years, while ps3 and V is 7. seven years! thats a really long time for a console nowadays to still be lasting and utilizing its graphics. i dunno, i just think it's hard to impress gamers with a lot of content when you sacrifice some FPS, which detracts from the overall experience

>>161137768
>best gameplay
IV by a fucking mile
>best characters
VC
>best music
VC
>best setting
VC
>atmosphere
VC
>sales even fucking mattering
LOL

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>>161137859
>tfw all the plebs want arcade style car handling

No thanks, go play SR or that mediocre open world ricer game.

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>>161137587
Similarly:
>San Andreas
>"You're not allowed to go in the airport until you're a pilot"
>No stars for jumping the fence

>GTA IV
>Airport is unfenced and unguarded
>Automatic wanted level for going too far in

>>161138192
It's fenced in IV, it has a car barricade thing on both entrances.

The wanted level is a metaphor for homeland security measures.

>>161132687
Who's the guy to the left of Claude?

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For me when GTAIV came out I was hyped as fuck but as I played it I realised GTA was never anything more than a novelty for the younger me coming from less violent games from Nintendo.

The other major factor is that I now have more games & the means to play just about any game I want, so the mindless killing & other shenanigans I used to do just don't feel like a good use of my time when I'm sitting with stacks of unfinished & some untouched games.

TL;DR: I grew out of GTA

>>161137918
>being a deluded VC fanboy

Oh, dear.

>>161138392
he was in liberty city stories. forgot his name

>>161130456 (OP)
Very simple OP.

The previous GTA games were over the top. They were a satire of american culture during different time periods. had the perfect mix of "goofy and crazy and you love it" and "alright, let's ger serious for a minute". This is also why Saints Row 3 failsas a game, because it only does the first one, and the goofyness serves no purpose. It's just "you like crazy shit? Here you go we let reddit go wild with the game enjoy this shit for 2 minutes before the novelty wears off and there's nothing left to do".
Each game added on new mechanics that expanded on the game. The missions had lots of variety. You had your regular shootouts, chases, races, delivery missions, and all sorts of great stuff. You could really see they were trying to be creative with the missions not only in San Andreas. GTAIII had you trapped in a parking lot with fucking suicidal old men running at you with bombs strapped to them.
The envornments/settings were great too. You could see that a lot of work and creativity went into creating the radio stations, the maps, the art style of each of the GTAIII era games.

Alright, then comes GTAIV and does a complete 180 of what made the previous GTA games so lovable.

It was trying way too hard to be serious, the humour was dumbed down way too much. The satire took a back seat and the most we got was some lame as fuck "HEY I ABUSE STEROIDS AND MY DICK IS SMALL" shit.

cont.

>>161138392
Cipriani, LCS protag - you did missions for him in III (Michael Madsen voice)

>>161138392
Toni Cipriani

>>161137918
back to the 80s with you

>>161138420

>I grew out of GTA

Sounds more like you became a weaboo, but keep telling yourself that you "grew out of it" if that helps.

>>161138457
But Vice City did those things better that San Andreas. San Andreas was more about expanding limitations rather than atmosphere, story, and setting.

>>161130456 (OP)
Some people play GTA for the story
Some people play GTA to fuck around in the sandbox environment

Those are the two key demographics who play GTA, and they both have conflicting opinions on most GTA games, 4 in particular.

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>>161138594

>>161132302
how did you play portal 2 for longer than Deus Ex?

>>161138630

SA had a very decent early 90s feel to it the first 1/3 of the game when you were in LS, but then it kind of faded out when you left it for SF and LV.

>>161138475
If SRIII failed because it was simply trying to be reddit tier on the goofyness, GTAIV was terrible for the exact opposite reason.

Then the game removes basic gameplay mechanics. While GTAII era was all about advancing, with each game adding on to the previous, GTAIV threw all of that away and went to being a GTAIII with a modern physics engine and two helicopters.

The missions were bland and uninspired as fuck too. Drtive from A to B, kill Y, drive back to A. For the whole game. The ONLY memorable mission in all of GTAIV was the bank heist, and after that mission the game just ignores it.

The setting and environment were bland as fuck too. It was Grey Filter and Shitty Ass boring Map With identical Buildings And Nowhere Interesting To Explore: The Game. Don't even give me that "B-B-BUT IT'S NEW YORK" shit. GTAIII took place in New York too, but at least it had an actual colour palette and you could distinguish an actual difference between the islands. Radio stations were nowhere as iconic as Vice City or San Andreas, the chraracters where short appearance trowaways that never got expanded on. It was as bland as bland could ever get.

This is why people disagree with whether GTAIV was good or not. This is why GTAIV gets hate.

>>161132586
the game has always been a console game though
even if it was ported great to pc, it would always be a console game.
it always will play best with a gamepad.

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>>161130456 (OP)
Did not read the thread but

GTA 4 started the shitty 10.0 giveaways for money this gen. Why do I think so? Because almost every god damned magazine/website gave it 10.0. And then almost none of them awarded their GOTY awards. It is not even on IGNs shitty top 25 PS3 games list. A FUCKING 10.0 NOT IN A TOP 25 LIST. Same shit happened with MGS 4.

I had initially had not much hope for GTA 4. Before the release the information we had was "no planes, no countryside, smaller than SA, no bikes, shitty customization" etc. But once the reviews started popping up it was 10.0 everywhere. I had high hopes after that. It was a mix of me being naive back then and gaming sites not being as shitty up to that point. It was a major fucking letdown.

Boring and forgettable characters, repetitive mission (every mission was either kill a bunch of guys or car chases), no fun allowed open world.

>Car chase missions where the guy waits for you to catch up when you fall behind or he's invincible so you can't end it early

>No fun allowed

Good thing I only bought it for 8 dollars

>>161139070
Radio Stations were pretty iconic
there were sweet music stations, great talk shows, etc.
Even the radio ads still had that great level of satire

Having played all GTA games, even 1+2, I can tell you that they've all had their share of repetitive boring missions.
SA and Vice City too had lots of shit missions, just because you only remember the good ones doesnt mean the bad ones dont exist.

And the map was very memorable/distinguishable. There's a clear difference between each island, be it in the cars you see, the buildings nearby, or the people walking the streets
All islands are very distinct

>>161139347

That happens in all GTA games, not just 4.

>Playing GTA games for the story
Jesus christ
That's like buying Call of Duty or something for the single player (inb4 hurr original call of duty games were all about SP! - no, no they were not. people bought cod 1 and 2 for pc specifically for the multiplayer portion of it)

>>161139554

Who are you quoting?

>>161139085
>it always played best with a gamepad.

Ficed that for you.

Back when the driving was a bigger part of the game and the shooting mechanics weren't as fleshed out, when it didn't matter much whether you shot someone in the legs or torso and the lock-on mechanic was fine as it was, this was true.

However, GTAIV really evolved the shooting mechanic. It actually makes a huge difference whether you shoot someone in the back or chect, in the leg or arm, etc. I spent hours upon hours just fucking around and sooting people in the leg while they go down stairs, or shoot them in the back with a high caliber gun when they're running down out of fear. Or how I scared a civilian and made him run from me, then I shoot them in the leg and they fall over, get back up, I let them limp around a little more before shooting them in the leg again. They get back up and hunch over, I shoot them in the back. Then I watch them as they lay on the ground in pain. I shoot them in the limbs, the kneecaps, etc, before finally putting them out of their misery and putting one in their neck or head.

The previous games didn't have this much level of detail to the shooting, which is why a controller worked better. But now that aiming actually maters, it's much better to play it with a mouse.

>>161139369
>SA and Vice City too had lots of shit missions, just because you only remember the good ones doesnt mean the bad ones dont exist.

It's the ratio bro. They all had shit missions but SA had TONS of variety. You had plane missions, helicopter missions, stealth missions, dancing, monster trucks, jetpacks... Fucking variety.

GTA 4 was all shooting missions, car chase missions, bike chase missions. That is it

Story they had for GTA 4 should have been for a more linear game with a few options to change certain things in the story as you play through.

It just doesn't fit in a game where you have an internet cafe called Tw@t, satirical commercial making fun of far right conservatism and radio talk show with strange people coming on it.

>>161139970
This.

That dogfight mission after you swim to the military ship and have a shootout with the army, that casino heist, that assault on Mad Doggs mansion after it was overrun by those drug dealers, that mission where smoke drives the bike and you're being chased by a bunch of mafia men in fucking trucks and sportscars, that Area69 assault. The games HAD their small share of shit missions, but they had more than enough great missions.

GTAIV had what? The bank heist and... uh...

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>see overyone on /v/ bitching about roman wanting to go bowling
>finally get the game
>beat the game, roman called me a total of 6 times during the whole campaign
>every time was for the strip club of drinking
>mfw roman didnt want to go bowling

>>161140356
I remember the one where you gotta protect that gay guy while he goes jogging and the only reason why I remember it is because they gave him a really girl prissy running animation that stood out making it easy to follow him, which even then still wasn't funny.

>people actually prefer SR2 to GTA4

what the fuck?!

>>161139970

>GTA 4 was all shooting missions, car chase missions, bike chase missions. That's it.

IV also had a lot of special missions, like the one where you set up a date with the gay guy, or the one where you kidnap the girl and take photos of her, or the one where you apply for a job at a law firm. I liked those the most.

>>161140825
yes

>>161140875
They're singletons in a sea of generic.

>>161140670
Oh yeah. That. This was also another example of how fucking bland and boring the humour in IV was.
>HURRR LOOK AT ME SUCH A STEROID JUNKIE DURRR CHECK MY PECS
>oh look at me I'm such a faggot! Hah, get it? Faggots are so funny! Teehee look at how gay I am

Really it was a trainwreck. The characters didn't actually have character. Just a bunch of done to death shitty stereotypes that lose their novelty after the first time you see them.

>>161140825
It was better game, gameplay-wise, and the story was actually better (not because it was great, it's just that GTA4 story was awful).

>>161133192
Don't forget Nico's dramatic character development that happened when you found that one guy who killed Nico's friends.

>cousin, you're a good man, you don't have to kill!
>no, I am bad person and must kill even more bad person to feel good
>but cousin you have light in your heart!
>maybe you are right cousin
Cue deep moral choice between killing or not killing the poor sap that has no relevance at all on anything.

>>161140875
Those missons are mostly "go to x" , "go to y" and you're done type.

>>161140992

No, actually a lot of them were like that if you think about it. Doing special shit like figuring out how to get the guy to come to the window so you can snipe him. You probably only remember the chase missions and the shootouts because those had the most action.

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>>161135146
>The Carlos mercy killing in SR2 will always stick with me.


;____;

>>161140875
>liking the missions that force you to use the pointless gimmicks in the game that you wouldn't use otherwise

Really? All of that stuff could have easily been done through cutscenes.

>>161141059
Except it looks like shit. The story was boring "hurr we r da best gang niggas!", the "humor" was terrible "hehe I have a poo truck!".

>>161140875
You mean the one where you go to the internet caffe before you do a generic driving mission and at the end take a picture with your cellphone? Or the one where you go to the internet caffe before doing a generic "Drive to X, kill Z" mission?

Nigga please.

>>161141393
>Except it looks like shit
>graphixcat.tiff
>The story was boring "hurr we r da best gang niggas!",
Did you even play it?
>the "humor" was terrible "hehe I have a poo truck!".
Compared to totally tasteful and not beaten to death satire on america? Yeah, I get it, americans are fat, stupid and warmongering. Not to mention funny characters like roidguy and soldier-turned-faggot. Where's the joke.

>>161141313
That was some of the worst melodrama I have seen in a game.

>>161141247

No, they're not, that's why I liked them.

>>161141387

>All of that stuff could have easily been done through cutscenes.

You are everything that is wrong with video games today.

>>161141530
anus ravaged american detected.
GTAIII era humour was good. deal with it.

>>161141678
I'm not even american. I just don't believe you can shittalk SR's humor, while praising GTA4's, when it's same thing they've been doing for 3 games now.
>Metlife changed to GetALife
Hilarious.

>>161141635
How? not even him. How is driving to the caffe to triger the shitty mission you did thousands of times before except without going to the caffe better than just having a cutscene for the shitty first part of said mission?

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>>161141059
It's understandable that people would prefer the gameplay in SR2 over the gameplay in GTA4. Opinions. But saying the story is better in SR2? Come on. Cooome oon.