you gotta feel for them

I haven't played WoW in years but get ~5 scam emails a day trying to phish me

>complaining about downloading an app

Maybe you should invest in the future and put the flip phone away.

>2011+1
>playing anything asociated with Blizzkrieg
>implying you shouldnt perform sacred ritual of sudoku

i told u man i f*kign TODL YOUU!!

>Jay Wilson in charge of not fucking up an entire franchise

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>>142781648
>haven't played wow in years
>suddenly get an e-mail from "blizzard" regarding recent account activity
>shrug it off as another phishing scam, but decided to read it
>it's actually from blizzard, and when I checked my characters they were recently logged into and stripped naked

I'm curious how they got my password to begin with. Haven't even logged into anything WoW related on this new computer of mines and I don't use the same password more than twice.

>>142782067
>>142781648
I only played the demo for a /v/ nigger raid years back, and I still get these emails too.

>>142782067

It's Blizzard trying to force you to resub so you can cancel your hacked account and then end your sub a month later because you were too late and it takes two months to fully investigate a hacked account and now youre in jail and have a lethally acidic AIDS-monkeycock up your ass because youre a fraud and subskipper.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vst6DXDnzKw&feature=related

sauce on op's pic.

Are they still trying to hide the fact that people are having their accounts compromised due to session spoofing? An authenticator is not going to save you.

http://www.cinemablend.com/games/Diablo-3-Session-Spoofing-Real-Do-Join-Public-Games-43162.html

If you have a smartphone, there's really no reason not to use the authenticator. Honestly, come on.

They should make it mandatory, although if they do that, they should pay for the $5 cost for the USB dongle.

If they are going to make them mandatory, make them also free. A WoW vanity pet isn't enough incentive to spend 6 dollars on one

>>142781709
>>142782796
If you let companies get off with shit, they'll do more and more until it is too late to tell them to stop. Stop having their dick so far up your ass.

What happened to the hacking claims? It's died down.

>>142783215
Blizzard denied anything on their end being the cause, told everyone to use an authenticator and delete any comments that says otherwise

They even went as far as to recommend people not join public games at first. Blizzard is refusing to come clean about something

>>142783148
>let companies get off with shit

I honestly don't see how adding a separate independent factor to authentication has a downside, personally. I haven't played WoW in 2 years and the last Blizzard product I bought was SC2, and even I have the authenticator turned on. There's just no reason not to.

I wish more companies would do this.

>>142783286
Oh, they're deleting everything now? That's nice. Forcing everyone to use authenticator's is just going to prove that they were lying the whole time unless they also managed to fix it as they force authenticators.

>>142783579
Because it should be free even for people without smartphones. A company of that size can afford to ship a $6 authenticator to increase customer relations and security. It would be stupid not to do it.

>>142783797

Not a single company in the world can afford to send physical items to anyone, are you that retarded?

Plus, if you don't own a smartphone in 2012, you're on yourself.

Just check the news guys, in less than a year, you'll be the minority

this was me:
-think that always online single-player game is a good idea, no bots no hackers
-don't read what was happening to D3 at that time (hacking run rampage like fuck) even if i read them i laugh at them thinking that they all just lies and make up stories to scare little children
-Blizz said it's safe to join public games, so i do it
now:
spoofed, hacked, stripped naked, submit ticket to blizz no reply so far(4 days now)

>>142783797
Oh I agree there - if they make it mandatory, they should pony up and eat the cost of the authenticator dongles.

But I'm just saying that if you have a smartphone already, and you're a user of blizzard products, there's just no reason not to use it.

>>142784001
Spoofing isn't real, chances are you went to some shitty porn site and got a key logger installed on your computer. It's your fault for not using an authenticator and browsing smart.

What I don't understand is how I can play nearly every online game in the last decade and never have an account compromised but I've already had my characters stripped twice in the 3 weeks I played D3. Either the greatest hackers to ever exist have all descended on D3 and have an army of super computers to brute force my 18 character password or blizzard fucked something up hard.

And the whole 'spend $6 and you'll be safe' is some of the shadiest shit I've ever heard. What's stopping blizzard from just sabotaging any account that didn't pay the $6 piece of mind tax in order to get them to pay up?

>>142784109
this is what blizzdrones actually believe

>>142783994
I dont own a smartphone because i don't have a need for smartphone, my old cellohone works just fine and if i buy a smartphone just for d3 authenticator it's just waste of money, and i'm not the minority here

>>142784121
Because only a very tiny amount of that $6 authenticator is profit.

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>They don't want YOUR hacked account due to YOUR lack of security contributing to the economy negatively. Sorry. Neither do I.

In answer to a guy complaining about having to pay for this shit.

blizzdrones at their best

>>142783994
>Not a single company in the world can afford to send physical items to anyone, are you that retarded?

When did I say that?

I do have a smartphone. I also already have an old WoW authenticator from when they were new and 100% optional and actually worked on all the games that used the autenticator. If it is mandatory it should be free for people with and without a smart phone.

Who cares, Diablo 3 is complete shit.

>>142784121
blizz said it's not on their end(with out reasons what so and why)
but dam 18 charactors pass on your end so i'm guessing it's that the hackers who have an army of super computers to brute force your computer tiny ass computer.

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>>142784673
>If it is mandatory it should be free
I just lost my fucking sides.

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>>142784673
This.
I didn't bought the game, but If I had, I would have to pay because I don't own a cellphone and if I had a cellphone, I wouldn't be using that android shit.

Shit should be free on every form.

>>142784794
>Game is $60
>Oh, sorry. It's actually $70, but we didn't tell you that.

You think that's acceptable?

>>142784883
They also have an ios authenticator

>>142785093
It has already been normalized in the minds of many gamers in the form of content being stripped from the game to be sold as "dlc"

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And the rich get richer

Question: why isn't that tiny authenticator included in the box of game or an online version of it for free download on "computer" who has "computer" to play their game? why is it an extra "must have"?

you see for 60$ i think this video game is a premium good and premium good come with some service, which blizz fail to deliver

How come no one ever needed a plastic keychain deal-dough up until now, but in 2012 Blizzard requires it?
Also, maximum privacy should be a companies foremost concern.Why aren't they ship it free with their games?
Why does this sound like a scam so masses send their 3 dollars to activision?

>>142785103
Like I said I don't own a cellphone.
It's not a problem to me since I don't have the game, but it should be free.
Just the idea of having to use a cellphone for "extra security" it's stupid.

>>142785297
It's for your "protection." Better pony up or something "unfortunate" might happen to your account. We wouldn't want that, now would we?

>>142784794
0/10

>>142785225
Because blizzard wants to milk money instead of fixing a broken game.

>>142781483
Have anything like a Steam wallet is fucking retarded in the first place (on the consumer's half of the bargain). I'd want this if I was dumb enough to have an internet wallet of funds. It's a B-NET balance! Not your fucking bank account! NSA passwords can be fucking hacked if enough time is taken and I can guarantee you that Joe Schmo has a less complicated password than that. Hacking methods have grown more intricate whereas the only way to up encryption methods is with things like an authenticator - which is fucking free btw.

why dont they just do the thing valve does

steam accounts are never stolen and its free

If you already bought it for $60 and don't mind that price, you might as well pay them $70. Explain to me why a digital download of a game can be $60 along with the boxed version.

>>142785660
but how else will they get $6.50 plus tip from you?

...oh no I have to download an app?

The authenticator app is free and small, and it makes it harder for you to lose your account. How the fuck is that a bad thing to do?

>>142785706

because youre getting the box, the manual and the cds for free

herp derp, its fucking dumb

>>142785660
>steam accounts are never stolen

SHUT UP OP!

>>142785743

because not everyone has a smartphone dumpass

>>142784384
None of it is really. Those VASCO digipass things cost like $16 on their own. Blizzard probably gets discounts on getting them in large volumes but they eat most of the cost since they don't charge shipping either.

>>142785743
Some people are selective Luddites. I'll buy this computer game where I'm online all the time for them to monitor me 24/7, but this smartphone will bore into my skull and steal my secrets while I am sleeping.

Whoa, I was getting worried about the lack of hilarious D3 news for a week or so

Of course now I'm getting worried about TORtanic

Smart move by Blizzard, extra $7 for each authenticator since guys usually don't use cellphones anyways.

Blizzard is swimming in money.

>Diablow 3

>>142785748
So what the fuck is the battle.net balance for if you already have the games? Buying WoW time and D3 items? So your trading currency you rack up in a game, to spend in the game? How is real life money AH any different from ingame?

anyone that got hacked in Diablo 3 deserved it for buying that piece of shit in the first place.

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Obligatory thank you

>>142785842
You can get it on an android emulator which is easily downloadable.

https://www.google.com/search?btnG=1&pws=0&q=android+emulator

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>>142786190
>thanking them for this

>>142785929
More like I'd rather not pay $100 up front and an extra $30 a month for something I can get for free and is a pay for use since I don't spend my days texting faggots on facebook or whatever you people justify owning a smartphone for.

>>142785983
>Guys don't use cell phones.
Fucking what? Are you implying guys are more likely to buy a little dangly thing for their keychain?

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>>142786190
>mfw when BlizzDrones clap at the end of badnews.

>>142786207

yeah, but an average user isn't savvy enough to do that

that's why they're making bank on the dongles, because people in rural areas aren't going to have smartphones (probably 60% of their market), since the fastest they have there is 2g and it's a waste

Still wont do anything.

People WITH authenticators have been getting their shit hacked as well as the non-authenticator people.

They should just start including authenticators with their games.

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>>142786341
>Thinks smartphones are only for the things most phones can do.
>>142785983
>Thinks guys don't use phones.

Never change /v/.

>>142786561
a fact that blizzard can't and wont accept.

>>142786453
people in rural areas wont have the constant internet connection to even play this game outside of McDonalds wifi

>>142786561
Blizzard won't admit to the spoofing unless irrefutable evidence comes out that it in fact exists.

>>142786975
I guess we'll find out real soon since Blizzard is requiring authenticators for all accounts. Unless they managed to fix the problem and pass it off as "User Error" the whole time. It would be all too perfect for them.

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I like how they only make this known well after people bought the game already, with the knowledge that they would get to use the RMAH.

This is the most obvious kind of money-grubbing, courtesy of activision-blizzard
And as expected, the blizzdrones are thanking them for this
>but it prevents hackers!
>we don't want hacked accounts fucking with the economy!

Seriously, at this point I don't know who are worse, blizzdrones or biodrones

>>142786207
thank you my good man but wait a sec here...
from what i did some reading(note here *reading* not search the links because if i did there would be no arguing it) those emulator are still in beta stage that's mean if it get update (on the authenticator app or the emulator) would created a little hassle?
better get those "physical authenticator" just to be safe

>>142787147
blizzdrones by miles

>>142787147
They should be a group called Bdrones, that way we can tell them both they are retarded at the exact same level.

>>142787147
Blizzdrones have always been horrible. Its just that there is a lot of them here on /v/.

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>>142786969

what makes you say that? the DSL infrastructure in rural areas (with a growing amount of people, ignoring cable because cable only goes where there are mass developments) is rapidly growing, the biggest providers are even starting to lay fiber down in smaller towns

most parts of the US that have a decent amount of people (basically anything that isnt in unoccupied idaho, nd, montana, utah, nevada etc) is going to have at least 512 or 1mbit line

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>>142781483
>The "hacking" was just a scam to get people to buy authenticators.

>Because they can't even enforce case-sensitive passwords
Wait what?

>>142787646
It's true, passwords are not case-sensitive.

>>142787681
Please be joking.

>Blizzard has also been deleting threads on the forums from users claiming to have been hacked while using an authenticator, I'd point to some threads but they're deleted. The reasoning is that the support staff felt people claiming they were hacked while using an authenticator were spreading misinformation and were working with Chinese gold farmers to keep people paranoid and away from using authenticators. There's no telling how true that really is. Alternatively, it could be Blizzard's way of preventing people from seeing that a large majority of hack claims also have authenticators attached to their accounts, even though Blizzard says they have yet to investigate a case where someone had an authenticator attached.

Haha oh wow.

This is Bioware-Tier levels of covering up.

keep crying bitch niggers

serves you all right for buying that shitty game in the first place

>>142787772
he's not, the blizz people said so themselves.

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>>142787772
No.
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/5152409863

>>142787957
>"yes, our security is shitty *smiley face*"

Takes some nerve for him to be happy about that

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>>142787772
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/5152409863

>Because they can't even enforce case-sensitive passwords

>implying they matter to a keylogger

>>142788275
>implying a keylogger is needed when you can spoof sessions

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>Diablo III
>$59.99
>Low production values over the course of 10+ years in development, short campaign
>Game offline for nearly a day post launch, server instability persist
>South Koreans invade Blizzard offices on account of complaints denying them refunds for their non functional game
>My Little Pony level, restricted builds on later difficulties and poor class balance
>When the difficulty begins to ramp up, you either need to purchase high tier gear from the Auction House, or kite for eternity
>Blizzard forbids kiting with an "enrage" timer that deals damage from excessive kiting
>Blizzard forces you to use Auction House in order to achieve victory without excessive grinding
>To avoid excessive grinding in your retail instanced game, you have to use RMAH
>RMAH has fees paid to Blizzard with each transaction
>Real money incentive leads to massive account hackings related to security exploits and non case sensitive passwords
>Massive threat of your account being ribbed in a gear based game that will not let you progress without good gear, period
>In order to use RMAH, you need to buy an authenticator, a device which costs actual money in order to provide an extra layer of security to the login process
>Session spoofing, a major contributor to the mass account hackings, bypasses the login process entirely and was responsible for hacking accounts with authenticators
>One of the most sold PC games of all time

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>It's your fault, you must have downloaded a keylogger somewhere
>No passwords to any other systems compromised
>Obviously hackers are only interested in compromising my old WoW account, not my bank account, Paypal account, etc.

>>142788376
>Having to place spoiler tags randomly in the middle of words because moot is a fucking retard filtering words without telling you which ones

>>142788376
I seriously think all of the world's Governments should look into this. Make Blizzard understand this bullshit wont fly.

Or at least get Anonymous involved in screwing over blizzard. Call it something like "Operation Snowfall"

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>>142787957
> :)

This is what is wrong with blizzard.

>>142788376
>>Blizzard forbids kiting with an "enrage" timer that deals damage from excessive kiting
Haven't heard of this one. What's the deal with it?

Video games are a luxury. If you can't stand the thought of having to be online 24/7 and having to own a smartphone to play Diablo 3, don't play Diablo 3.

>>142788497
Same. You'd think someone would want my credit card or bank account information, but I guess they just want the gold on my WoW account

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Hey, I have a better idea. How about you aren't forced to be online all the time to play? Even for single-player?

Can I work at Blizzard now, guys?

>>142788886
Well if everyone thought like that, Blizzard wouldn't be making much money.

>>142788867

it's a buff that the elite mob gets after a couple of minutes of fighting, that does a massive % of your health per second that you can't resist

>>142788952
>Play offline?
what are we living in the 1990's?
MUST ALWAYS BE CONNECTED!
^this is what blizzard actually believes in.

>>142788886
We can't stand the thought of anyone having to be online to play a single player game and it's just going to get worse if we ignore it.

>>142788867
Basically if you take too long to kill an enemy, a debuff is applied to you that causes you to lose 2 to 3 percent of your health per second. This debuff was made with the expressed intention of forbiding kiting.

>>142788886
Please tell me you are trolling, I'm bad at reading Internet sarcasm. If you are not, I hope you will die tonight in your sleep.

>>142789025
>>142789078
That's just terrible. So, if you aggro a random elite and don't want to kill it and just keep running away eventually you'll die anyways?

>>142788867
If you engage a pack of elite mobs they act normal for X minutes until they say fuck it and stop your ass no matter how good you are at evading them.

It hits melee classes like my barbarian really bad. I didn't want to spend all of my gold on items (I didn't have any gold because the drops were shit for me) so I had to kite my way through Inferno difficulty.
Barbarians, however, aren't known for their ranged abilities, so I was fucked.

But, if you roll a Demon Hunter or Wizard, it's easy farming.

>>142789065
#fwp

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>went to blizzcon 3 years ago
>free authenticator
>never bothered to attach because it's a pain in the ass
>forget where I put it
>check the original bags
>find a brand NEW unopened authenticator
The fuck? They gave us 2 at that Blizzcon apparently.

Does somebody have the case-sensitive vs. non case-sensitive picture so all these faggots will shut up about it already?

Antiblizzdrones at their best

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>>142789256
I'm pretty sure there's a finite range to this debuff, so you can still run away.

>>142789256

well no, usually you won't be aggroing a random elite for the time it takes to enrage, and if you do, you'll probably be far enough away that the aura doesn't effect you or you can die and respawn away from them

it isn't a TERRIBLE thing, it's just dumb because the melee classes have shit for damage and it takes them forever to kill elite mobs since they have to trade damage for survivability

>>142789380
you mean the xkcd pic?
pffhahahahahaha

>don't use authenticator, credit card info gets stolen
BLIZZARD'S FUCKING US AGAIN
>forced to use authenticator for credit card transactions
BLIZZARD'S FUCKING US AGAIN

>/v/

>>142789309
Just another way to force people to use the RMAH.
>>142789312
I don't know what that means.

>>142789380
>Implying you know anything about password security or entropy
>Believing anything put into comic format 100%

Blizzdrones at their worst

aren't these the same authenticators that people have already bypassed?

god damn, blizzard is retarded

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>>142789542
>Purchase authenticator, credit card info gets stolen anyway

>>142789728
Nope.

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>>142789479
>>142789567

Yep, that's the one. Found it myself.

>Give people the tools and information they need to get to another person's toon
>Use shitty encryption
>Be surprised when shit breaks
Can someone explain to me exactly how session spoofing works? I get the gist of it, but if someone could give me a more technical explanation, it would really help with my understanding of this issue.

well i didnt pay for my copy of D3 but this game man, it should have been F2P in the first place to begin with. the content is so thin and her to justify the RMAH...
basically Blizzard should just give up games and settle for being the next ebay or some stock trading platform

>>142789432
>>142789446
>>142789309
Gotcha. Thanks.

>>142789556
"First world problems," basically, this tendency the internet has to complain about stuff that doesn't actually matter, or to complain about stuff they chose to subject themselves to.

"Waaah Diablo 3 is pay2win bullshit" Nobody's forcing you to play it. If you're over the age of 18, you should have realized long ago that MMORPG's are just soulless money-sponges.

>>142789827 toon
Reported.

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>>142789728

>shit gets hacked all the fucking time and I have no idea how
>bite the bullet and buy an authenticator
>have not had any trouble with my account ever since

And how is this a bad thing? All account-based games should have this.

>>142789854

no, the basic game is fine for a beta

what they should've done is had professional players and a closed beta for thousands of people to do the endgame content, while tuning it appropriately before release, not releasing a game that's practically not even a beta client and not expecting to have a shitstorm when people find bugs/exploit


>>142789935
god damn you is one dumb ass nigga

>>142789817

except that's bullshit, because most brute forcers will start off with dictionary wordlists

>>142789817
>Ignoring the fact that nearly all password systems for all online services ever are case-sensitive
>Assuming there is no good reason for this because you read a comic which poorly explains the concept of entropy in a way that only applies situationally, and does not apply to Blizzard's authentication system whatsoever

BTW, the reason blizz uses the authenticator instead of case sensitive passwords is that if they did use that system they would have to pay royalties to who ever has the copy right to case sensitive passwords. Probably based on how many people play their games as well...

Can someone explain to me what this "authenticator" is?

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>Install our superbullshit to protect yourself or we won't let you play our games

Who the fuck do they think they're kidding.

>>142789817
love this comic, it proves that xkcd knows jackshit about anything.

>>142790231
ahaha trolololol

>>142790318
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_token

No is forcing you all to use the RMAH.

It's optional.

Which means if you want to use real money, Blizzard has stated you need extra security.

Either pony up $6 for a cheap as fuck authenticator, or go get yourself a FREE app for your phone (no smartphone? I guess you also still use dial up internet too).

If they made you use an authenticator for regular play, I could understand the bitching.

But not, it is for the RMAH. And if you DON'T want extra security, then you are a raging dumbass who is not intelligent to keep his money in his wallet anyways.

Quit being children. Go get an authenticator or mobile app.

Don't want those?

Then don't use the RMAH, risking real money.

Problem solved.

>>142790318

it's a little code generator you have to buy, that generates a code (durr) that you put into your account.

except the whole thing's fucking useless because hackers can already bypass them.

>>142790231
> who ever has the copy right to case sensitive passwords.
I'm fairly certain it is IMPOSSIBLE to copyright something as commonly used as case sensitivity in passwords, like how I couldn't copyright door knobs in general.

>>142790231

or they could just use the login ip based token like valve does, which im sure they could find away around copyright wise

>>142790318
an "authenticator" is a rebranded device that generates values in sync with their auth servers, and you use it to login.
only banks, high profile organizations and blizzard use it.
apparently a blizzard account is as valuable as a bank account but whatever

>>142790425

>b-but I should have the OPTION to risk my paypal and credit card information!
>fucking blizzard!

>>142790438
>except the whole thing's fucking useless because hackers can already bypass them.

The hackers who have the skill to bypass authenticators would NOT be wasting their time stealing from vidya games.

If they can hack an authenticator, they'd be going after people's bank accounts.

Please backup your claims moar, plz.

Duping is back

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cohsGbA_9-A

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/5760136334

>>142790425
once they'll call the "authenticator" by its real name maybe...
but anyway you are forced to go for the RMAH indirectly, since the game general economy will be completely affected by it.
let me tell you the game is very meh right now prepare for it to be utter shit when the RMAH is enabled.

>>142785798
only from stupid people

>>142790402
>>142790438
>>142790625
I see. Sounds stupid and pointless for a SINGLE PLAYER GAME.
>oh, but you can play multiplayer
Yeah, but I don't need an authenticator to play fucking Metroid Prime: Hunters.

>>142790696
They're not hacking authenticators, they're going completely around them.

>>142790696

they don't bypass them because they're pro, they bypass them because the authenticators don't do anything. you just go around them.

>>142789935
>First world problems
That's a stupid argument, problems shouldn't be ignored because they can be seen as insignificant to other problems.
That aside, Diablo 3 isn't even an MMO, when there's a single player mode and multiplayer only goes up to four players it's not a fucking MMO so it shouldn't force you to be online. And you're an idiot if you think it doesn't actually matter, just look at how successful Diablo 3 is, you're telling me this wont create a trend of always-online pay-to-win games?

>>142790696
>The hackers who have the skill to bypass authenticators would NOT be wasting their time stealing from vidya games.

That's actually not true at all, there are plenty of reasons why you wouldn't want to fuck with banks even if you could. And being able to bypass one security token system doesn't mean you can bypass them all.

>>142790127
Dictionary attacks aren't combinatorial, you retard. If you pick four words from the english language at random, you're looking at like (200,000)^4 combinations, which is 1.6 sextillion.

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>>142790914

>these posts

You also don't tie your credit card information to metroid prime: hunters.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7J96c6zbMQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spMS3Hhk1FA

>blizzard

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>>142790734
>mfw all the buttbusted absolutely wrecked anus, totally clobbered bottom blizzardrones in the comments

>>142791050

i can't believe it took you that long to wiki an argument

but i already had an authenticator for WoW.
don't play WoW anymore though.

>>142790734
>63 likes, 319 dislikes

Nah, not believing it

>>142791027

Why stop at Diablo 3? Why aren't you fixing world hunger? You really shouldn't ignore problems because they're insignificant to you.

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>>142783797
They already sell authenticators at a loss, also:

>2012
>Not having a smartphone

>>142790734
for the love of god keep that thread bumped!

>>142791278

>he thinks the guy who posted the picture is still arguing with him

Yeah, nah. Stay mad though.

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>>142790734
Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you. Cancer.

>>142791050
A dictionary attack in that case still significantly reduces the entropy compared to brute-forcing it as one long sequence of characters. For example, "password password password password" is exponentially less secure than "x$9sj3k.Sjn9@j", and case-sensitivity most certainly does make the latter harder to force.

>>142790734
they just hotfixed it
duping is dead once again

>>142791108
But why would you aside form the real-money auction house which really shouldn't have been a thing in the first place?

>>142791690

You wouldn't.

>>142791138
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7J96c6zbMQ

Oh man, that's way too close to the truth for a lot of games.

>>142791381
>You have to buy a smartphone to play a video game

blizzdrone logic

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>mfw /v/irgins believe "science" from a webcomic, and a shitty one at that

>>142790950
then good sir the question is "why the fuck we need authenticator for?"

no it's not "for giving blizzard more money" that's blizzard's answer

why do "we" the player need it?

>>142792045
Are you retarded? Cos that's how you sound when you try and imply a point that nobody suggested.

>>142792213

we don't, but blizzard wants us to think we do.

>>142792273
"I shouldn't have to pay for an authenticator"
>It's free, just download the smartphone app
"I shouldn't have to own a smartphone"
>Deal with it then, it's optional, time to move on from the flip phone, etc.

Blizzdrones repeat these responses every time those concerns are raised.

>>142792273
>2012
>Not having a smartphone

Oh, I'm sorry.

>>142792554
>Given a free and cheap way of doing it
>It's absolutely optional

>I DON'T LIKE THE FREE WAY
>WAH THERE SHOULD BE ANOTHER FREE WAY

>>142792668
Except it's not optional anymore if you want to add money to your Battle.net account. That's the entire point of this thread.

>>142790734
the post in blizz forum has deleted. blizz staff sure work fast
remember kid: don't see don't hear and don't talk

>>142792668
AH was marketed as being a part of diablo 3.

First it wasn't even launched with the game. Now you need a smartphone or to pay more just to use it. Coincidentally the smartphone app is one of many reasons why the authenticator is fucking useless.

>>142791138
>Change the clock on your computer
>Can now cancel auctions
Remember that kid who "hacked" that phone game by changing the clock? Yeah, this sounds kinda like that.

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i thought pay2win was killing the game?

now you're complaing that pay2win isn't easy enough?

never change, /v/

>security system is so shitty you have to add a hardware component
>it still doesn't work
Blizzard has been working with online security for how long? Since 2004?
They still can't get this shit right?

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>Imploring everyone owns a smartphone

Try living in the slums before you lecture me.

>>142793065
actually it's as easy, now you just have to pay to start paying to win.

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>>142793327

>implying poor hoodrats don't spend their money on chains and flashy cell phones

maybe your definition of slum is different from mine...

>>142793527
those aren't slums, those are just welfare babies.

people living in real slums usually don't get free money.

oh please is the biggest niggling little crap argument i've ever seen.

Blizzard: "we care about your account security and your money so we're not going to allow RMTAH transactions unless the account has an authenticator on it."

/v/: "HURRRDURR WE CANT INTO SECURITY SO DERP FLERP ENJOY SPENDING 30,000 DOLLARS ON A KEY DONGLE DURRRHURRR"

I work in a call center, and occasionally people will have to authorize a CC for the purchase of something. I get calls every day from retards like the OP complaining about our payment system not accepting their card because they misspelled their street name or they typed "street" instead of "st."

This entire thread is tantamount to the arguments i hear from those retards. Here are some straws, grasp at them.

>>142792668
well it's not free and cheap when u need it to "protect" your account and get to use RMAH in fact it make you feel cheap, you little whore bitch

hahaha i'm cumming in your ass now
-said blizzard

>>142793743
Sounds like you're grasping at straws here. If they cared about account security they would improve their systems or have more active monitors.

Not only that, the RMAH was announced long before the game shipped. If they had half a brain (which they may have, could be that they're simply unwilling to take the $6 hit per unit out of greed) they would've shipped auths with the retail boxes.

>>142791631
>Customers' accounts get hacked, causing items worth real money to be stolen, resulting in them losing money
>Drag your feet, make excuses, spin it into a marketing tool for a $6 keychain
>Items get duped, resulting in less RMAH sales, resulting in the company losing money
>REV UP THOSE HOTFIXES

Oh, Blizzard.

>mfw I'm constantly warning people to stay away from games/companies that pull bullshit like this, yet they keep ignoring me, then whine when the monster they created turns on them

>>142794043

>Sounds like you're grasping at straws here. If they cared about account security they would improve their systems or have more active monitors.

Yeah no, you're a fucking retard. I don't care how state of the art your security system is you can't stop people from setting their password to "password123"

The worst part is, this is them improving their way of doing things, and you're lambasting them for it.

Honestly just shut up, perhaps you could provide a coherent argument if you took some of the dicks out of your mouth.

>>142790734
that thread lasted long....NOT

>>142793743
Blizzard has been working with online security for years, and they still require some stupid dongle? It's not about how much it costs (it's chump change), it's about how shitty their security is in the first place.

>>142794219
Second sentence was a pretty good argument. Thanks for completely ignoring it, though.

>>142794219

you may not be able to stop it, but you can fortify the system multiple ways, see

- case sensitive passwords
- having a system in place like steamguard

and when all else fails, use the authenticator

having case sensitive passwords with a system like steamguard would stop a pretty fair share of unwanted intrusions

How does session spoofing work?
You make the server think that you're on a different account, and so it lets you use their characters?
Why does it only work with the most recently used character?

>>142794219
>can't stop someone from making their password password123
>implying you can't enforce password types
>implying they haven't already begun requiring digits in your passwords and couldn't simply force multi-word passwords or additional characters

>>142794219
Right, because corporations haven't been requiring employees to have awkward password patterns for decades. It's so hard to design a system that will not accept basic passwords!

>>142794504

>implying if they did any of those things you wouldn't bitch about the fact that you have to have numbers and multiple words in your password
>implying even if they did implement any of those things people wouldn't still set their password to "Pass word123"

Again, just shut up. Authenticators are one of the cheapest to implement and best security measures they can take to protect peoples accounts. You're a fucking retard for thinking anything else would be as adequate or as secure.

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>>142791381

>They already sell authenticators at a loss

Bullshit. They cost ~1 dollar to make.

Also, you can really tell the blizzdrones just flooded in. Wouldn't surprise if some of these posts were bought.

>>142794763

>Wouldn't surprise if some of these posts were bought.

Oh boy, here we go.

"THEY DISAGREE WITH ME, I WONDER HOW MUCH THEY'RE BEING PAID DERRRRDURRRPDERRR"

>>142794763
I'd be more concerned that they're vüral marketers straight from Activlizzard itself.

>>142794748
They've already enforced digits, compared to bnet 1.0 passwords which didn't give a shit at all.

Plus your post was about how you could "never make a system around people inputting password123", which is the stupidest statement ever.

>>142794840
If you believe it costs more than 1 dollar to manufacture an authenticator, you might be a blizzdrone.

>>142794748
>still ignoring the fact that they knew about RMAH and ignored shipping authenticators with daiblo 3

Sure is delusional fanboy in here.

>>142791381
How can you sell authenticators at a loss? it's a piece of plastic that displays numbers

>>142794995

I didn't say anything about the cost to manufacture. It goes without saying that the person who made that post doesn't work for blizzard and has no idea how much it costs to make authenticators.

I guess we're strawmanning now?

>>142794748

>authenticators are one of the cheapest
but they're not, since they cost $6 or whatever to ship, and a usb dongle that weighs less than an ounce doesn't cost anywhere near that much

>and best security measures
if they are, why doesn't valve, origin, or any other major gaming system use them, nor does my bank

>anything else would be as adequate or as secure
i agree with this, but along with the other things people said (case sensitive pw, allow access to different ips aka steamguard, & multiple character types enforced, as password11 becomes Password1!) make it a multitude more secure

you should chill out and look at what everyone is saying instead of insulting people based on your opinions

>>142795057

>implying you're little trump card isn't something that has been discussed since before the release of WOTLK

inb4 "HURRDURR BLIZZACTIVISION DOESNT CARE ABOUT THEIR CUSTOMERS BECAUSE THEY WONT GIVE US MORE FREE STUFF"

>>142794763
Ever since news spread that vivendi was considering selling their stake in actiblizz it seems like there have been tons of WoW nostalgia threads and "wow pandaria looks amazing" threads, even on other forums.

Can someone with a useless law degree give on opinion on this? Can blizzard get the shit sued out of them?

I'm sure they did something wrong.

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>>142795197

>if they are, why doesn't valve, origin, or any other major gaming system use them, nor does my bank

pic related, stopped reading there. you started off so strong too.

>>142795240
What? It was never required for a marketed feature of a game.

Well, until now.

>>142785859
>Those VASCO digipass things cost like $16 on their own.

No they don't.

http://daeity.blogspot.com/2011/02/profit-from-blizzard-authenticators.html

>>142795350

what?

>>142795323
False marketing, though at best you'd get a PC authenticator program and not any money. basically you'd get nothing.

>>142794748
steam guard wasn't cheap at all it's free
why can't blizzard make one of those?
why why why why why why why why why
why don't i post this in diablo 3 forum? the answer is it got deleted
why why why why why why why why why

>>142795376

Oh wait, that's your point? They marketed a feature of the game are now requiring additional security measures to support that?

Are you going to start going on an internet crusade against every company that has changed their password conventions as well?

Here are some straws, grasp at them.

>>142795117
>I guess we're strawmanning now?
When have we ever stopped?
Also, marketers visit /v/ all the time.

>>142795106

It costs more to have them made \ buy them from I think it was VASCO than anything else.

They technically don't charge you anything for an authenticator period. You either get it free on your smart phone or you just have to pay shipping. The only money they get from the authenticators is literally just so they can ship them. You pay nothing for the actual item.

Blizzard also gives them out for free at any of their events.

So they spend money to help you secure your account and charge you nothing for it, so they lose money on that item. The more authenticators players have though, the less they have to spend on helping idiots recover their accounts so it evens out.

>>142795593
They marketed a feature of a game that now requires equipment not part of the game that was never stipulated.

Hence false marketing. They did not do this for WOTLK, making your argument worthless. I like how you've completely lost your argument so now you're left with trying to bait people.

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>Those comments

>>142795768

ONE feature of the game they marketed is now unavailable without a piece of equipment that didn't ship with the game that anyone who can afford an internet connection, a PC, and the game itself can easilly afford.

You're really reaching bro. Like, really really reaching. You claim I'm baiting you, but you act like this is the first time a company has marketed something, released it, and then required addition equipment purchased separately for it to be used.

You've still not addressed the fact that they're making it a requirement because it's in the best interest of their customers, but I guess that truth is a little inconvenient to your very selective arguments.

>>142795642
They do not get them for 6 per unit from vasco. You can buy them yourself, as a regular consumer, in bulk, for 5 per unit. Mass produced it's likely dollars per unit. Unless that $6 shipping is international, they're full of shit.

Fuck Blizzard. Their customers accounts get hacked and what do they do? Charge money so they won't get hacked anymore. Fucking brilliant, A+ Blizzard.
That's what happens when companies forget about their customers and care only about their stocks/turnover.

>>142795642
>Authenticators are free
>Have to pay for shipping

Then it's not free, is it? Why doesn't Blizzard pay for shipping?

>>142796010
What game has ever released a game, advertised a feature, and required you to buy or own additional hardware that was never stipulated?

go ahead, I'll wait. it's funny because you just continue to bait with no argument left.

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>>142795642
read this >>142795378


I hope you feel ashamed, because the alternative is worse.