Why did Sony make the PS3 so hard to develop for? Wasn't the PS2 hard to develop for as well? Even after 6 years, I have still not figured that out. They have suffered so much because of that this generation. Most importantly, the video game players on PS3 suffered the most. I mean, I don't have any problems with the PS3 as of 2012, but we could have gotten more games than we already have if the PS3 was easier to make games on.Big question though: Why Sony?
because if we always stick to whats easy we would never develop anything worthwhile.
>>141505098Im not saying the ps3 is special, im just saying, theres a big risk/reward thing
Because they have no idea about what they're doing.
>>141505098And yet, nothing worthwhile came from it.
>>141505098>>141505134I know there were many rewards like a long lifespan because they is more to get out of the system, but in the beginning holy shit I remember when so many people bashed the shit out of the PS3. It was insane. It's a good console though. Maybe it could have the same years of lifespan as the PS2 did.I think it could happen.
>Wasn't the PS2 hard to develop for as well?No. There's a reason there was a fuckton of shovelware for the system.
Next gen is going to be ALL THE SAME SHIT.IBM PowerPC multicore CPU, low end ATI (maybe nVidia for PS4) GPU.
>>141505456Yeah that's one thing I usually don't see when it comes to the PS3. No, how do we define shovelware though?
They got cocky from PS2's success, and thought everyone will follow them no matter what they do, so they wanted to push the envelope with THE POWER OF CELL.
the wiiU was confirmed for a having an IBM quad core CPU that can handle 8 threads.now THAT is going to be hard to develop for
They took a gamble on their architecture and hardware, presumably for much better graphics/gameplay. It backfired, as you're aware.
>>141505246Bluray is superior to dvd
>>141505621>They got cocky from PS2's success, and thought everyone will follow them no matter what they do, so they wanted to push the envelope with THE POWER OF CELL.Can you really blame them from being cocky? They had a fucking monopoly in the 6th generation.
Isn't THE CELL just regular multi core CPU?Haven't we had games made for those on PC since ages ago without any problems?I don't see what the big deal was with it and why so many developers fail so hard at using it and still are.
>>141505725The PS2 has outsold the 360 many times over the course of this generation as well. It's the best selling console of all time.
>>141505724I love blu-ray that's one of the many things I don't take for granted when it comes from playing on the PS2 to play on the PS3. It's really up to devs to use it.
>>141505648Wut.SMT is the same shit Intel's x86 Core series uses. Only difference is the ISA but the compiler handles 99% of that.
>>141505808CELL uses an entirely different architecture than x86, which is what intel and amd's cpus are based on.
>>141505873but how are games going to use 8 threads? we're barely getting to 4. will the CPU be used to help with the graphics like the Ps3 did?
>>141505808But see you can't treat the PS3 like a regular PC from what I've heard. Ever wonder why lots of PC games went to the 360 but not PS3?
>PS3 so hard to develop for?Current developers are just lazy piece of shits.
>>141505958>Ever wonder why lots of PC games went to the 360 but not PS3?Because micro$oft.
>>141506034>>141506034>>141506034>>141506034THIS 100 TIMES
>>141506034But why though? What made them lazy for the PS3, but for the most part they put effort in the PS2? It saddens me that the people who suffer in the end is me and millions of others who play on PS3.
>>141506087>>141506087>>141506034>>141506034Autistic sonybronies cannot into developing
>>141506147PS2 emotion engine was hard to develop for.
>>141506147Can you explain to me then? I'm really curious about the differences to developing a game on the PS2 versus developing a game on the PS3.
>>141506034>study game programming for 10 years>ok I'm ready to go make games>get into PS3 game dev team>have to learn everything all over again, because the architecture is complete different>YOU'RE JUST LAZY>okay.jpg
Is the PS3 still hard to develop for? Do the devs understand how the system works now?
cause sony babythey make shitty designs decisions and call it company practice. their main thing is making everything 'their own'.remember sony's 'memory sticks'? of course you don't because they were fucking stupid, but once upon a time sony really was the bomb and everyone wanted sony shit until they decided 'hey, lets make all our tech use a proprietary form of flash memory so everyone not only has to buy a new sony camera but a new sony flash memory stick.' well guess what, everyone already had like fifty SD cards and they shit and ended up buying tech that was already compatible with the flash they already owned. fast forward to today and sony is shit and no one cares about them.
>>141505954Modern graphics engines are improving to handle more cores. Source can already extract some advantage with quad cores.And SMT/hyperthreading usually only adds a small amount of potential performance to the quad real cores.
>>141506619hyperthreading gets you 30% more performance in properly threaded applications
>>141506358Uncharted, one of the acclaimed best looking games for the PS3 was developed in Lisp.
No one gives a fuck about sony, that is why they are dying and bleeding money.
>>141506718>OP
>>141506772>No one gives a fuck about sonyI still enjoy their consoles so I give a fuck about them.
>>141506824Your a nobody josh.
>>141506718Fuck you, /v/ keeps Ruggadick. He doesn't even play fighting games
>>141506824well too bad nobody else does, mean while Nintendo, Microsoft and the Xbox are doing fine.
sony -always- wins
>>141506824Why do you live in a hotel room ruggadick?
>>141506938Herp a derp.
>Xbox>easier to develope for>still get the same shitty games like Gears or Halo rehashmfw
>>141507026Most multiplats are xbox ports, this is well known.
>Most importantly, the video game players on PS3 suffered the most.What?OP sucks dicks.
>>141506963>>141506887>>141506875>>141506718
>>141507063Bad ports and stuff?
Sony makes enough money, they don't care what we think. If it sucks they suck. The millions of lost dollars are nothing to them. That's why a company that makes everything other than video games shouldn't make video games. Leave it to the people who care.
>>141507127PS3 and PC get shit ports
>>141505016>>141506034To be honest, it isn't hard. Its time consuming. Think of it in our defense. Why would we, put our sweat/time/effort into making a game appropriate for the PS3 when it won't sell well?The console in itself is a power house. My problem with SONY is that they went too far with that. Indeed, big risk/reward; but they fucked it up there. Since then, up until now, SONY is trying to hard to imitate others (this is coming from a SONY fan as well, mind you). And let me say, it is not working; imitation=/=success SONY should just go back to their old roots of the PS2/PS1 Mentality. That is, make a decent console that everybody will love. Look at the PS2 and PS1. Large library and shitload of IPsSpeaking of which, should be a question to consumers for SONY: "WHY AREN'T YOU WORKING ON ORIGINAL GAMES/OLD IPs?"Oh wait, they want the Casual audience of the wii and CoD/"mature" audience. Good luck with thatDon't get me wrong, I worked with SONY and they are arguably the best publisher to work with. Everyone that works on games have a general good relationship with them. Just this new mentality they have with the PS3 fucked us over. You surely understand, right?
>Sony>Not dyingThey have been copying nintendo all this gen.
Sony has nomonies
>ruggasmalls
isnt op a pedophile?why are black weeaboos always pedophiles?
>>141507382>weeabooFound the problem. All weeaboos are pedophiles.
>>141507382OP is Thad's cousin.
>>141505954Xbox 360 has a triple core ppc with six threads. Fortunately developers aren't retards like you.
>>141507154>>141507228Well we'll just have to wait it out. I mean the PS3 is crazy good now with decent multiplats for the most part/good exclusives every year.
>>141507479>weaboo>lookwhereyouare.n64
>>141507525>JRPG's>goodmy sides
The cell processors the PS3 has is a pretty interesting concept, but ultimately makes it a bit harder to develop for and is why most multiplat 360 and PS3 titles look identical.It should also be noted that even when certain developers try to maximize the PS3's performance with aforesaid cell processors, they are held back by the stupidly low amount of RAM. This, in turn makes their games look only marginally better than the 360's.I still like the system for its library and blu-ray capabilities, but FFS nobody is gonna go out of their way to develop for your console when there's almost no advantage in doing so.
>>141507609Who says the PS3 only has JRPGs to play in terms of exclusives?
>>141507382>Asian girls think he's too dark>White girls think he's too dark>Black girls think he's too beta>Hispanic girls think he's too weak>Missed out on his childhood crushes and dating>Wants to make up his lost time being forever alone by starting from square one>Too immature to get anyone his age>Dick will only be felt inside a loli>weeabooYes?
>>141507525PC is still better when it comes to exclusives and multi-plats.
>>141507690>>141507690>PC is still better when it comes to exclusives and multi-plats.You don't think I know this? Pretty much None of the PS3 exclusives are on PC and you can't even emulate the PS3 yet.
>>141507026That's why 360 gets witcher2 and ps3 sucks eggs.
>>141507528On /v/ you pedophile
>>141505016>>141505251>>141505562>>141505725>>141505823>>141505958>>141506139>>141506338>>141506567>>141506824>>141507127>>141507525>>141507639>>141507767Samefag
>POWER OF THE CELLThey really fucked up. All the expensive hardware and the games look the same or worse than 360 AND are harder to develop.All the awesome Playstation exclusives that we could get... Monster hunter 3 was supposed to come out for PS3. If only sony weren't such dumb faggots with the design
>2012>consoles
>>141505251>they is more to get out of the systemit doesn't work like thatif you need 6 years to get on the level of the xbox 360, there's something wrong
>>141506034there's no reason to push for retarded architecturesit's just ibm trying a pushwhy do more for the same results? time is money
>>141507673go away thad, your not supposed to be here
The Xbox 360 offered the better GPU.The PS3 has an unconventional CPU.PS3 has a bit more raw power but 360 has better shaders and is more conventional to port to/work with.The sad part is that next-gen consoles are going to use such outdated hardware upon launch because of the risk taken by Sony and the success of the Wii.
