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>>141496247

The only thing that gives it replay value is idling for items and hat collecting

The actual gameplay gets boring after a while even at a competitve level

I just went back to TFC after playing it from 2007 - 2008 now it just bores me with all the stupid items, the retarded community, players and jew money making hat trading

I'm basically the opposite. Got the game a few years ago and played for a total of I think 80 hours. I haven't touched the game since hats.

You're not alone OP. I bought the game on release day and playing it regularly till this day.

But I do have some issues, though it's not like they're "ruining" the game for me.

>demonigger is still overpowered
>still no option to toggle hats and misc items display

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>>141496247
People get fanny-flustered about hats.

People get pooper-perturbed about new weapons.

People get glute-grumpy about mechanics that have been in the game since the beginning.

Still one of my favorite games.

>>141496247
I'm the same.

I pre-ordered, and I certainly play it less now, but whenever I do, I'm still delighted with it.

And at this point, I've lost track of some of the new items, so it's really interesting to learn about them by being killed by them.

It was ruined with the bonuses for wearing an entire set of items was introduced.

>>141496247
no class requires aiming other than the sniper and the soldier, but the soldier is too slow and requires a medic to be particularly useful, and the sniper requires you to scope in to charge up your weapon, meaning you have to be a useless camping sack of shit. Also respawn times are too long.

>>141498223
>sniper requires you to scope in to charge up your weapon
Upset about not getting 360 N0-Sk0P3 killz?

>love TF2 for its game mechanics and characters
>unable to play because of the horrendous community

>>141498292
its more about the one of two weapons without massive amounts of spread can't be used to run and gun without gimping yourself. to do well without relying on a medic or sitting in one spot, you need to take the pyro, spy, or scout, one of which barely even shoots, the other two just need to aim in the general direction of their enemies. It's not fun because it's so easy to be at the skillcap. It's just boring. You asked me to calmly explain why I don't like it, and I did. Don't resort to 'u upset?'.

>>141498354
Can you please elaborate on what all of you guys mean by "horrendous community"?

What FPS games do you think have a good community then?

I played tf2 when it became f2p, i enjoyed it a lot but it get too boring after playing everyday, and then i decided to idle, i traded items for video games and it was a profit of 40-50eu

>>141498563
quake

>>141498552
>the other two just need to aim in the general direction of their enemies
>It's not fun because it's so easy to be at the skillcap
>skillcap
Dude what? This just doesn't make any sense.

>>141498563
>What FPS games do you think have a good community then?
why do you need to compare ? we talk about tf2 not the other fps, it's pretty obvious how is the community after playing the game for a moment.

>>141498648
Well, I must say that Quake did have more mature player base, because it's a hard game to learn, not to mention master. But back in the day you encountered douches, tryhards and toughguy kids all the time.

>>141498723
Do you not understand what a skillcap is? How can you possibly miss when playing as Pyro? The game plays more like a first person MOBA than a FPS.

>Can someone calmly explain what exactly ruins the game for them?
I never get to play the class I want to play.
I'm always forced to play soldier, medic, or scout since everyone else is retarded.

>>141498753
You can't call it good or bad without a comparison.
We say it's bad, but what's that compared to?

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>>141496247
i hate the fact that eveyone only plays 2fort badwater goldrush and dustbowl nowdays...

>>141498753
>why
>obvious
So, you actually can't answer. Community in the servers I play is pretty good I must say. Maybe you were unlucky.

>>141498857
>The game plays more like a first person MOBA than a FPS
I just realised why I never was able to get into this game.

F2P players are retards and Hats and shitty new weapons that complicate shit. I liked it back when it wasn't so full of retards and kids and didn't have all the new fangled weapons to fuck up the balance.

>>141496247
>Can someone calmly explain what exactly ruins the game for them?
Nobody plays Steel anymore ;_;

When it went F2P all the servers I used to play on got ruined. And with Valve needing to make money off the F2P system they release a new shitty item set every week that basically just annoys the shit out of you and doesn't improve gameplay at all.

>>141498920
tf2chan
SPUF

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>>141498873
Bad compared to any other FPS community.
The only game it could POSSIBLY be better than is Left 4 Dead 2.

>>141498857
Um, miss what? The flamethrower fire? Do you just m1+w with Pyro?

Pyro skillcap is actually pretty high, including stuff like blast rocket jumping. The skill floor (if that's a real term) is actually low, but TF2 offers a lot of space to improve your skills for almost every class.

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>>141499012
>new single item
>don't have to buy it
>don't have to use it
>don't even have to know it exists

Yep. Ruins the game. Also, this new Medic misc. kicks ass and you know it.

>>141499013
>stop liking things i don't like.jpg
Why are you even in this particular VIDEO GAME thread on a VIDEO GAME board if you dislike it so much?

24/7 servers. No fun allowed attitude. Too many fucking items that you have to buy or wait to drop. Retarded game economy.

The fact that I played the superior TFC for years before tf2 is what ruined it for me.

>>141499165
I like tf2, I just gave examples of how shitty the general community is.

>>141499185
>Too many fucking items that you have to buy or wait to drop
Is there any weapon you can't get for a scrap?

For me it was the Dead Ringer.

Have they nerfed that yet?

For the record, Medic player, not Sniper or Heavy.

>>141499159
>don't even have to know it exists
Yeah, well, that's wrong, since I see people running around with all kind of stupid ass weapons that not only ruin the gameplay, but also the art design, if you ask me. They released some pretty horrible shit.

>>141499252
>inb4 lol the game cant be fun if my scout has a hat

>>141496247

I played long before hats.

I still play.

It's a fun game sometimes but all the F2P noobs makes it too easy.

>>141499185
>implying stock weapons aren't best
>implying very few non-stock weapons are worth a shit

>>141499252
Nope. Unless it's brand new, every weapon goes for a scrap. You can probably get 2 weapons for 1 scrap. When you sell scrap for weapons it's scrapbanking.

Unless you can't trade, in which case you need to sit the hell down.

>>141499050
That's what I was talking about, yeah, but it's the same with nearly every other weapon of every other class. Just look at heavy for example. Or medic. The improvement of skills you say exists is only of strategy. I haven't played the game enough to have used every weapon out there, can the Pyro rocket jump? Either way, this doesn't make up for not having to aim at all.

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There are 2 communities with TF2

>People who just waste their lives on Brony/weeaboo/Saxton hale/Mario Kart servers to just trade.

>people who don't have hats (or do) and just play the game.

>>141499221
Oh, I misunderstood you. But honestly, it's how people are in general. In every game or real life. I don't think TF2 attracts more than average retarded people.

Well, I don't play TF2 via matchmaking system, so maybe I just wasn't exposed to some of the worst cases. I tend to stick with large gaming community servers, with rules, adequate admins and without shitty game mods.

Can somebody post the "TF2 color pallette" before and after picture?

>>141498223
>but the soldier is too slow and requires a medic to be particularly useful
Are you fucking joking? The soldier is the most useful class in the game. Just because it's unwise to take on enemy team 5 on 1 doesn't mean he doesn't demolish anybody who faces him 1 on 1. Not to mention his insane mobility for such a well armed and armored class.

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>>141498920
>>141498873
>>141498753

the community is bad in the way i hate the most. its full of noobs. i cant play on any valve servers because it becomes effortless. I also can't play any strong classes like Scout or Demo without ending up with as many dominations as players on the other team. I'll take an elitist community full of circle-jerking snobs over this mickey mouse shit any day.

I miss the game
back before the crafting and hats it was really good and the big updates were cool with the new meet the videos

I had good times and met a lot of friends on the game

it just isnt the same anymore and it sucks cause there is really nothing like it on the market right now

oh well

>>141496247
See

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzFUve-8yrQ&feature=g-vrec

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Any other former TF2 addicts here? Been sober 8 months and still going strong.

When this came out I remember there was some checkpoint map on a moving train.
Where did that go?

>>141499185
Also my favorite fun server is dead.

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>>141496247
I dunno OP I've played it since the 07 beta and I only recently stopped playing it to play dota 2 since I can't find anyone skilled enough to play against.

Pubs, pugs and the levels of competitive I had to go through to get to the real players were just full of skilless faggots nonstop.

I'd pick the game back up if someone could actually make me work for a win.

If the average player's age, skill level, ability to ignore cosmetics, and hatred of ponies rose, I'd probably go back.

>>141498223
Sounds like you don't know anything about the game.

>>141499552
4 months

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>>141499504
>Player JustWannaHaveFun left the game (disconnected by user)


Damn that felt bad

>>141499442
That's what I was implying, he's the only useful class, but it's not hard to hit with his rockets. Everyone's walking around slow as fuck, the rockets travel fast, it just isn't challenging. I know some people like games like hack n slashes (I think that's the genre I'm thinking of) where you just run around mashing a few keys and you slowly work your way through enemies, but that just isn't fun for me. Also the map design in some gamemodes, especially those involving that cart on the tracks, have crazy choke points that just involve spamming lots of expolsives and are reminiscent of metro 64 in bf3 (another game with terrible gunplay).

>>141499661
>If the average player's hatred of ponies rose
Why are there so many subhuman ponyfuckers infesting this game anyway?

>>141498223
>soldier too slow

Yes, the most reliably fast class in the game is slow.

I fucking play soldier entirely because he's the most mobile class and nobody can hit you when you do this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5hUuqi91Uk

>>141499631
>Soldier
>Aim well

Ha.

>>141499478
start playing some games that have communities like that then.

Hint: Arena Shooters

>>141499185
At this point, you should have all the weapons you need. There's only a handful of "must haves" and anything that isn't brand new will probably be handed to you by anyone on the server, because spares are so plentiful.

None of the brand new weapons have been good in some time, so you really don't miss out by not buying them.

Community complaints are melodramatic and unfounded.

Game took a step for the worse in respect to art direction with all these endless items, but in the same hand they also kept updating the game and weapons so I don't care taht much.

Game is still one of the best class based shooters out there.

Dead ringer spies and overpowered demomen, that's it for me.

>>141499802
I need to get that fucking rocket launcher

>>141499809
Look at this kid who can't airshot and juggle ubered enemies! Look at him and laugh!

Game would be a lot better without the Demoman.

>>141499919
It's like 3 scraps

>>141499631
>engineer under having self respect
>a class that literally has an aimbot in his inventory
>a class faggots use whenever I'm destroying them with immense dodge skill in an attempt to nullify said skill

>demoman still considered easy and overpowered

Holy fuck like come on people, you've had almost 6 years to figure this shit out and you still don't get it right

Yeah nah all engis are complete fags, makes killing them as scout even more satisfying

>>141500006
Nah man, you could get it for one if you asked nicely. Unless "genuine" is important to you.

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>>141499631
>Demoman
>No skill

You keep thinking that.

the game died for me when valve stopped caring about the original balance of all the weapons and classes and most importantly the silhouettes which was a huge style choice by them with many articles

now its just all bullshit, but to be fair the game had a good run and the crafting shit and free game stuff gave/is giving valve a ton of money

the thing that kills me is that people still care for the game in the state its in
let it fucking die, the current game is a disgrace to the legacy of tf2

The elitist "pros" in this thread that are bitching about noobs and the game being too easy are hilarious

>>141500006
I know, I just never get around to finding the items I need.

>>141499693
I'd love for me to be wrong, having bought the game before it went free, so tell me things I might have overlooked. I haven't played much, I maybe have a couple hours gameplay, but this is what I took away from it. I just didn't find running around as a scout or a pyro fun because there was very little skill involved. If you come up one on one against another player of the same class on similar health, it's pretty much 50:50 who wins. Flipping coins isn't fun. Most of the time you come up against someone who has a clear advantage, like a sniper at long range or a pyro at short range. Show me a video of someone going 30:0 or something, show me some impressive gameplay. I guess I'm just not a fan of strategy and class based FPSes.

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I got bored once I got all the hat's I wanted.
Also game becomes really easy once you can play all the classes well, once you don't have to rely on others to help win, just switch and counter whats currently the biggest threat.

Competitive is stupid because it's predictable as fuck. And everyone is elitist.

>>141500103
>>141500103
POINT AND CLICK WIN GAME MAX SKILL

>>141500037
Engineer is an asset to every team. Only tryhard elitist douches hate them because they don't see the good they've been doing for your own team. Too busy watching your own score to see the effect they have for your side.

I personally believe TF2 is now a mere hollow shell of what it once was.

The game used to be a quirky shooter set in the 60's, with secret espionage bases, weapons and characters that fit that criteria. It was not about fighting pumpkin monsters and exchanging exotic headwear.

Valve seemed to forget this abit in the updates.

The original assets are still the most charming to me.

Take the Scout's bat for example, it looks like it was really made for him. This was enforced by the team logo being printed on it in the beta trailers. So I think it's safe to assume that it was handed to him by the secret organisation he works for, RED or BLU. And what kind of secret organisation would hand out fish for their mercenaries to fight with?

I shouldn't even have to tell you how most hats are worse. It was like Valve went to the most nationalistic flea market in the neighbourhood and bought the most outrageous and crazy hats they could find to model into the game. And I think the team (the characters, that is. Well, maybe Valve too) is losing a great deal of their professionality and their personalities. It just pains me to see a Heavy running around with a glowing/burning/whatever umbrella on his head. It totally kills the mood for me.

Even TF2's totally amazing humor has dropped a great deal.

Take 2fort. 2fort is a secret spybase in the middle of the desert poorly disguised as a farm and an industrial building.
"Happy Farmers Cooperative" was the best name they could come up with for a front. Outside of the "farm" there are flat wooden cows to make the farm look like a legit farm and totally not a secret underground base.

That is funny.

Way funnier than anything Saxton Hale has ever done.

>>141497478
Play the console versions

>>141499809
See this is just my point. Two classes for aiming well, and really the scout shouldn't be there. His shotgun has such massive spread it just isn't effective at anything but close range. You could close the gap if it was 1 on 1, but if it isn't that is just unwise.

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>>141500265
>go to trade server
>ask if anyone is scrap banking
>dascrapbanker wants to trade with you

It's not hard.

>>141500287
>implying there isn't a single class that can't be broken down to point and click

>Soldier
>Point and feet and win

>Pyro
>Get close and point to win

>Heavy
>Point and click win

>Sniper
>Point and click adventure game

Except with Demo, your shit doesn't go in a straight fucking line like everyone else. No, you need to predict where they will be. Even then, 4 pipes is all you have unless you use stickies offensively (note, you should). Even then, stickies require aim too. Especially against Scouts. So, yeah, keep thinking that.

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I play on a server full of bros.
I like demoman because when I get an airshot with my pills it is worth all that time in endif.
I enjoy watching Comp and speccing people in pubs.
I enjoy tf2 because it is fun.

>>141500037
Engie is meant to counter dodge classes how stupid are you?
That's all tf2, is in-case you haven't noticed.

Alternative weapon loadouts

Shit was retarded when it was tolerable, shit is retarded now

Vanilla was best

>>141500197
It's not elitism, it's just so easy it's boring. Not fun in any way. Hell, cod is better.

>>141500341
This man speaks the truth (though I always liked the Holy Mackerel).

>>141500271
I regularly go 50:0 doing this:

>>141499802
In fact my highest streak with it is 250 over the course of 5 different matches before finally dying.

Once you play it enough to know how to dodge ANYTHING, you start killing everyone since nobody but pyros and sentries can reliably hit you.

Dodge skill in tf2 is much more important than how well you can aim. If you fake out soldiers so they fire rockets in the wrong direction you win that fight regardless of how shitty your aim is. If a sniper can't hit you since your movements are erratic and without prediction or human reaction time intervals of moving in one direction, you win.

Rarely do you see someone juke a soldier out well enough to make him waste all 4 rockets or someone good enough to dodge all damage from a soldier that fires at the ground instead of the scout himself.

Though at the same time I had like 4000 hours of gametime so the game lost all of its challenge against even the best players.

>>141500519
>Engie is meant to counter dodge classes how stupid are you?

Here it is again, TF2 is a MOBA, not an FPS. Why would you want to be countered in an FPS? The only countering should be someone playing better than you. It's just plain retarded.

>>141500398
>analog sticks
>fps
lol no thanks, I'd rather just not play

>>141500461
>your shit doesn't go in a straight fucking line like everyone else
Did you really want to use THIS as your argument?
Demoman being able to spam his shit from behind a cover for massive damage doesn't actually make him a skill demanding class.
I'm not saying that demomen take no skill whatsoever. Playing a good demoman really requires some effort, but the main issue is - how ridiculously powerful the class even in the hands of a novice player.

>>141500461
I know it's not hard man, it's just that my first priority when I boot up TF2 is to shoot some dudes. I don't really think about trading for guns until it comes up like this. The game is still about the game to me.

>>141500673
>One class should be able to handle every situation in a team based shooter

>>141500295
With the amount of gametime I have I'm not even remotely worried about the objective as it's so easy to win, I've capped thousands of control points, I no longer give a fuck. My objective now is just to see how many perfect (40+ kills 0 deaths) games I can play in a row. Funny thing is since everyone's dead we win anyway since there's nobody to defend when they're all butthurt chasing after the soldier jumping around at mach 5 with a nemesis symbol above his head.

>>141500670
What class do you play? I find most are too slow to dodge anything other than the scout.

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I was on an idle/trade server (idle awesomebox) today that I frequent a lot. There were two little kids on there mic spamming and playing hide n go seek on the fucking map. One of the kids was NINE fucking years old. I harassed them for about 15 minutes or so, then gave up and went to a different game.

What the fuck man. When did TF2 start getting the CoD fanbase? I still enjoy the game but if this problem gets worse I'm going to have to go back to Quake Live.

>>141500714
>taking damage from spam

Have you played this game for more than two days or are you really still so bad you still take damage from spam

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>>141500673
It's a CLASS BASED shooter think about that.
If the game was 100% skill vs skill there wouldn't be a need for classes.
Look at quake or fuck even halo for that matter, they all start off the same, you have to PICK up weapons, everyone has the same Hp and it's more of who handles the situation better than the other opponent.
Tf2 has NONE of those factors.

>>141500787
I kind of agree with him. At least in vanilla TF2, there are no "hard counters" against each other. Sure, a spy might not kill pyros as often as he'd like, but a skilled spy could take him down if he wanted.

Using evasion and the element of surprise to ambush other players also falls under "skill", in my opinion.

>>141500714
>Getting hurt by Demospam
>Not walking over to the guy with 175 health and vulnerability at super close range

Get good, scrub.

>>141499851

who said im not?
the problem is that because of tf2's accessible nature it attracts a different crowd than the one it was made for. before they started adding pointless shit it felt very much like the next evolution of classic arcade shooters, obviously due to its pedigree, having started off as a Quake mod. call it dumbed down, i call it refined.

now the community consists of people only scratching the game's surface, never bothering to improve, never bothering to play anything but heavy and pyro, never bothering to employ tactics that go beyond holding mouse 1.

and of course there's the item store. if these drones wouldn't eat that shit up, perhaps valve would use their time actually fixing the countless bugs or making new maps, game modes and actually well thought out weapon unlocks.

>>141500341
>implying Saxton Hale shaving his chest hair into the shape of Australia isn't hilarious

>>141500787
>I'm useless because I'm not the right class for this situation

I hate team based shooters.

>Hey guys, there's this fun game called dildo rape, but I hear a lot of you don't like it. What ruins the game for you?

>Being raped by the dildos, that hurts

>>Playing a dildo rape game and not wanting to be raped by dildos
>how retarded are you?

>>141500834
Scout and soldier, they're the two most mobile classes in the game with the lowest mobility costs.

Demo has high mobility but massive cost. Pyro is also alright since his airblast aids him in dodge and his base speed is high enough to do regular hitscan juking.

All classes can dodge very well other than heavy really as long as you understand how to juke with left/right strafes

>>141500934
A class based shooter is a stupid idea

The Soldier and Demoman are orientated to be the easiest to pick up and hardest to master classes. The power output by the Demo is pretty high, but honestly, how much are you dying to random spam as opposed to traps and direct shots.

>>141501070
You're a stupid idea.

>>141499809

The better your aim as soldier the better you do as soldier.

>>141501148
With even a bit of skill the demoman is more effective at everything than any other class. He's a textbook example of something that's overpowered.

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>MVP's

>You: 67 points
>[BR]killerman: 13 points
>le trollface: 11 points

>>141500519
Why are you so bad that you need an entire class devoted to countering skill? Why not just use this fancy thing called aiming skill and shoot the squishy fuckers instead of using a cop out because they can outplay you?

It's like saying "I can't have fun so neither can you" and then you build a sentry that they now have to play around instead of having fun.

I see it as an equalizer in an attempt to bridge the skill gap between good and bad players so terrible players don't have to feel the pain of constantly getting wrecked by players with good dodge skill.

>>141501034
Can I see a video of this 50:0 gameplay? I've never seen any good gameplay of TF2. If I could see with some class or loadout it was possible to do well (or bad if you're bad) rather than everyone hovering around slightly above and slightly below average, I might give it another shot.

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>>141501070
Exactly that's why tf2 gets boring once you can play all of the classes.
Mater that and you've mastered the game.

You don't even have to stop everyone just their top 2 or 3 players.
Unfortunately it really sucks the fun out once.

>tfw you download beta skins, beta logos, beta lightwarps and beta muzzle flashes

>>141501340
This is how I feel about the majority of things in TF2.

>>141501031
>>141501070

Any class can kill any class, some are just better at doing it a certain way. Some just have more of an edge against others, making the game more diverse instead of just chasing down the best weapon spawns and powerups.

It's a different type of shooter, but it has its place. And the class structure allows for very high replayability because of the strong defining characteristics every player has.

>>141498223
Actually, instead of waiting for your scope to charge, aim for the head. It works- try it.

Black Box + Gunboats + Equalizer

God tier loadout unless its a small map.

Started playing the game back when Scout update got released, 2.5k hours clocked in. Haven't played since January.

>>141501569
>2012
>Black Box

Anyone who thinks that weapon sucks deserves a kick to the face.

>>141501365
I've never uploaded a frag video since I'm not a faggot but let me see if someone else has of the same thing.

The closest thing I can find to what I do to get those scores is this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etMzazHt91g

It's mostly because nobody can hit you, you can chase or escape at ridiculous speeds, you control all the health and ammo on the map since you're so fast, and nobody can aim.

Playing like this also makes you a counter to snipers which is cool and makes pyro no longer a soft counter.

>>141501609
Best weapon unless you have at least 2 dedicated medics

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>>141501340
That's how valve made the game, classes have advantage over others
Why does spy have the ability to hide and one hit kill? Why not just take it out with sticks or rockets and his skill?
Why do pyros set spies on fire? Why not use the aim heavy spray or use the needle gun to kill him?
Why does the sniper have the ability to 1 hit kill a medic from across the field when the medic cant even see it coming? Why not just go scout and get him up-close?

Tf2 has a skill ceiling but it's heavily influenced and counters and weapons.
That's just how it was made.

>>141501340
Angry scout detected. Yes, there's a strong counter to your antics, but it's required. If you could just run in and grab the objective just because you run fast and swarm it with other scouts every game would be over in an instant. It's too easy to do and most teams are not coordinated enough to survive those kind of shenanigans.

Engineers are important to the game, you just want everything made easier for you class of choice. Deal with it.

>>141501452
If you find yourself, a sniper, in a tight corridor with a pyro, you will die, unless the pyro is bad. It doesn't matter how good you are as a sniper, if you pull of a headshot everytime your weapon can fire, or spray at him with your smg, he will still get you down faster, unless he is retarded.

Does this mean as a sniper you shouldn't go in corridors? That's no fun. Does this mean as a pyro you should only hang around in corridors? That's no fun. This means every situation you are in, you will either definitely die, or definitely win, unless one of you is retarded. It's a game where the winner is decided by who is more retarded, rather than who is good.

>best weapon spawns
are you saying weapons can't be useful in different situations, and are just flat out better and worse? that makes a class based shooter where you can only use certain weapons even more horrible, rather than a game where you can switch weapons depending on the situation you find yourself in.

>>141501609
>1 rocket less damage for a bit more survivability that knowing where the medkits are renders irrelevant.

>Best Rocket launcher

Yeah, ok

>>141501859
>Medkits
>Only half of which are medkits, most of are just pills for 15 or so hp
>Implying you can always get access to all of these that you need in a very populated server.

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REVENGINEER IS THE BEST CLASS EVER

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To this day I will never understand why people get mad about hats. It's non essential, and they don't affect gameplay (save for a FEW sets) and you don't have to participate in it. Oh, you have a problem with other people doing it? It's like getting mad because someone likes to wear sweatpants and you don't

>>141501859
>implying the Scout hasn't grabbed it
>grabbing a medkit midfight

>>141501940
Pills are 40 each as a soldier, don't be a faggot.

And if you can't get to them first using the equalizer and gunboats? You're fucking retarded.

You are extra retarded if there's even one dispenser or medic.

>>141501514
Is there a certain weapon this works best on? I get pretty much exclusively headshots, but you have to get a few to kill a lot of classes. If while you're running and gunning as a sniper, you spot a camping sniper aiming at you, you can do your best to dodge him, but it's dead easy for him to hit a body shot, which when charged will do more damage than your headshot. It's retarded.

>>141502057
It ruins what little art style, setting, and "feel" the game had is all, that can be a real kill joy for some people.

Especially when it had all of that before

>>141501859
To be fair, if you're good at aiming, it proves be be highly beneficial. If you're also good at surviving it is even moreso, but at that point you wouldn't really need it

>>141502074
>Killing a heavy with 3 rockets
>Killing medic/enemy pairs with 3 rockets
>Only two rockets if you decide to rocket jump

You die so many times before the fight's over or have to cut and run. It's fucking terrible

>>141500589
Holy mackarel is overpowered, you can tell if you kill a dead ringer spy because it won't say "FISH KILL" in the kill feed

>>141502163

Also that air of smug superiority.

>>141501792
>that's just how it was made
that doesn't mean it's acceptable or good

every bad video game was made 'how it was made'.

>>141501859
>200 health
>15 health every time you do what you do
>Medkits aren't always around
>Making a roam friendly class more roam friendly

Someone hasn't been playing this game long.

>>141502031
>lakeside
>revengineer

My god, this map is broken on too many levels but it's so broken, so unbalanced that everyone has a fair chance of having something tipped way too much in their favour.

>>141501792
Thing is the more I play the more these "counters" seem like cop outs for shitty players as they do the same fucking thing every time.

I'll absolutely wreck someone as scout and without fail they'll go nat heavy or gunslinger engi in an attempt to counter me. Nat heavy is easy to win against since it still requires some semblence of aiming so it can easily be dodged but the sentries will make me swap class after a while. Then they try to counter that class so I swap again. Every game I play I end up swapping classes like 8 times a game as the enemy's composition always ends up directly reliant on the class I'm currently playing. They just can't accept being outplayed by the first class so they continue trying to get an advantage by swapping to a counter.

As a result every pub game goes exactly the same way with no variation, I know that if I go scout I'll be seeing scouts, gunslingers, and nat heavies, if I go soldier I'll see scouts, soldiers, pyros and snipers, if I go demo I'll see soldiers, pyros, scouts and snipers, etc.

That's probably the reason I stopped playing now that I think about it since every game I played was the exact same with the exact same reactions to all my moves with no originality.

>>141502208
>he doesn't know how to kill a heavy slowly from behind cover or kill the medic first with 2 rockets then reloading behind cover

>>141501819
>Does this mean as a sniper you shouldn't go in corridors?
Of course not, but it does mean you should be aware of that weakness and plan accordingly. Also situational awareness of what is going on in the map will save your life as much as a steady hand.

>This means every situation you are in, you will either definitely die, or definitely win, unless one of you is retarded.
It doesn't work out that black and white. There are a million other factors, including other teammates, understanding the timing of player spawns, observing player movements through the map, communicating with your team when someone is coming, etc. It's not all "retardation" unless you are playing on 24/7 instant spawn maps.

>are you saying weapons can't be useful in different situations, and are just flat out better and worse?
That's exactly what you've been implying this whole time.

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>>141502163
Unless you actually properly style up your class instead of putting on random bullshit. But even so, it's just aesthetic and to make a big fuss over something so... insignificant as someone wearing sunglasses, then you're really being rather petty

>>141502257
Exactly thats why tf2 is bad, the sooner you understand that you can move on.
Acceptance is the first step.

People always make mistakes about the Demoman.

He does take skill to play. Aiming grenades well and knowing where to plant or airshot the stickies is not as easy as it seems.

However, the Demoman's biggest problem is the fact that a Demoman who's even slightly skillful can ruin every other class and pubstomp the hell out of almost any server. They can accomplish too much and do too much damage for the amount of risk or skill needed to perform at that level.

A good Pyro almost always has to get in close to kill with his primary or Axtinguisher, a good Spy still has times of bad luck where somebody just magically turns around and starts shooting at you, etc.

It also doesn't help that the Demoman can have scripts that instantly fire and explode stickies at the earliest possible moment.

Shit like that is what ruins it.

>>141502270
>some classes are more powerful in certain situations
>everyone has a fair chance of these situations
>

>unbalanced

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>>141502270
>>141502270
what about turbine?

>>141502287
Guess what?

If you have to reload 2-3 rockets into shooting at him, the odds that he'll be able to round the corner when you could have killed him with an ordinary rocket launcher are pretty fucking good.

But that other shit? My fucking point. Your 3 rockets leave you cutting and running to reload whereas my 4 allow me to finish off enemies you can't.

>>141502270
There are medkits fucking everywhere. If you can't find them then you're probably pretty new to tf2.

>>141502335
no, I've been implying that they are better in situations, like the corridor situation. You wouldn't use a quake rocket launcher long range, or a railgun close range. The beauty is you can switch between them as needed, and the strategy is in controlling pickups rather than switching to a class that is a counter to whatever you're getting dominated by.

>>141502284
Yep that's what people do.
If this was rock paper scissors and you just wrecked their Paper with those sharp as fuck scissors, they know they cant win, so they go rock, theyn to win you gotta go paper. etc.
It's a dumb mechanic and why tf2 is anything but serious.

>>141502237
Anyone who thinks they're superior you should be griefed. If you spot one of these fuckers, stop everything and grief them

TF2 died with European Extreme

>>141501735
What weapon is he using? It looks different to the vanilla RL. Do you not take massive amounts of self damage? Doesn't using the RL to kill someone give a window of oppotunity for someone to kill you before you can jump again? Especially as you are slow as fuck normally.

>>141502153
Default sniper or huntsman.

Piss gun doesn't get headshots.
Bazaar charges too slow and is usually useless.
Machina can't fire when unscoped. So you have to scope twice to kill players with >150 health if you quickly scope.

>>141502483
You never need to change class unless your team is terribly unbalanced or you need the extra edge. And spawning with all the tools you need to do your job is a fantastic thing. Chasing down weapons takes time away from playing the game as you want to play it.

And yeah, I get it, you think Quake is the greatest thing ever. Maybe TF2 just isn't for you. That doesn't make it a bad formula or class based shooters inferior in any way. They really aren't.

>>141502625
The Original

>>141502632
but I was using the default gun. I did well but there was only so long I could go before I ran into a pyro or the pile of enemy snipers got enough bodyshots on me to kill me.

>>141502625
It's the original, it's just a skin for the regular rl. When I do this I'm using the gunboats as you don't need the shotgun when you never put yourself in a situation where you need it and you land all your rockets.

If you chain your rocket jumps there is no delay, though it takes a bit of practice to figure out how to chain jumps as if you go too early you stop and if you go too late you stop. If done right you bounce and pick up some extra speed depending on the angle the explosion and you make with the ground.

Can we please for the love of fucking christ play something that isn't goldrush, badwater, 2fort or badlands?
Fuck the community and your comp wankery I want to play a map that hasn't been done to fucking death.
That's my only complaint with tf2.

>>141502728
But a game like cod is better. All the weapons are pretty much similar, all machine guns that are effective at all relevant ranges. The same applies for counterstrike, although there is a bit of variation, as it is meant to be a tacticool shooter. However it doesn't go to the extent where one weapon is complete bullshit at close range. There isn't really a game that is worse. BF3 comes close, but none of that class shit matters when you are in a jet.

>>141502858
Find better servers. There are plenty that have highly customized map rotations. But yeah, even some of my favorite places get stuck in a rut of vanilla crap.

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>Playing TF2 since day one on xbox
>Eventually switched to PC after Heavy Update
>Still enjoy game greatly
>Play all classes, Usually get top 3 MVP
> Experiment with multiple loadouts all the time
>Trade for pretty much anything and everything I don't own
>Buy 2 keys whenever seasonal crates come out

Life is good

>>141502762
Yes. That's called 'dying'. It happens to the best of us. If you want to get ridiculous amounts of kills you have to aim quickly, never miss, and keep an ear out.

>>141502835
>it's just a skin for the regular rl
Actually they have one important difference.
The original fires rockets directly from the center of the screen or player model. While the stock RL is held over the right shoulder of the soldier, and actually fires projectiles a little to the right side of your model. You can actually shoot from behind the walls undetected by sentries with RL other than the Original.

>>141502858
Best maps: Badwater, Gravelpit, Gorge, Badlands, Yukon, Thunder Mountain, Upward, Harvest, Lakeside.

Hightower gets honorable mention for being the best fucking 1v1 soldier deathmatch level in the history of mankind.

>>141503013
>CoD
>all machine guns are balanced

>ACR
>Type 95

we're done here

>>141503158
>>141502858
cp_badlands is the best map in the game so far.

The thing that made me quit was the large change in the community due to f2p and Valve's decision to milk the game more and more.

Once TF2 became f2p all servers that I used to frequent closed down one by one and as a result all of my friends quit playing the game.

I also couldn't get the new weapons because I never idled. It took me a couple of months to get all the weapons from the class update(stat changing hats excluded of course) and when I read that Valve was going to increase the crafting cost for the new weapons in order to push their cashshop I just quit entirely. Turns out they increased the cost even more in the recent updates. I don't regret quitting this.

>>141503071
There was also very little I could do about heavies with medics hiding round corners, or engis. What I want is to be able to see someone, and have a fair fight with them, and have the better player win. Is that too much to ask? Not die because I came up against a counter.

Lets get this shit started
>tdm_hightower

>>141503158

Ugh. when will people get that it ONLY AFFECTS THE FIRST PERSON MODEL.

Test it, they both shoot from the exact same spot in the world view.

>>141503013
>But a game like cod is better.
I disagree completely. A myriad of bullet hoses with minor spread and damage differences is not my idea of a good time. TF2's highly defined differences between classes make each one play very differently, and all situations involving them more than "who can pull the trigger first." There's just that much more strategy knowing you have to approach a pyro differently than a spy if you want to live.

>>141503228
Dude what? Idling actually makes drops less frequent. The new system has been there for ages, since the cheater's lament patch.

>>141503192
but it doesn't matter because everyone can pick it. It's not like you are going to get pyro flamed to death, or walk around a corner to see a sentry gun and die.

>>141503297
You quoted the wrong person, but no, he's right.

They fire slightly differently and it changes how you shoot around corners. The original shoots a bit better with right walls, but worse with left.

>>141503315
who can pull the trigger first is better than rock paper scissors. at least there is something gamelike involved.

>>141503431
Nonono Cod is more who sees who first.
Not who shoots first considering everyone dies in like half a second anyways

I only play the game when my friends do because it's the only time I find it enjoyable.

Problems I have with it
>favouring releasing new content instead of balancing.
>art style is raped because Valve doesn't care to maintain it anymore with user-generated content
>Ludicrous prices for cosmetic items, not that I'd ever buy anything from the jew store anyway
>game is poorly optimised and my powerful rig can't run it at constant 60fps now.

>>141503387
Nope.

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>>141503431
>Rock paper scissors
>not a game.
You heard it here, folks.

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>>141503431

>>141503371
And that's why he's saying that takes less skill. It's all a matter of who can pull the trigger first in COD as opposed to TF2 where you need to approach most classes in a different manner

I fucking hate furries.

>i play it everyday.
>it's my favorite gayum
>i make maps
>i make items

there's some quirks and nuisances but fuck compared to all the other vidya /v/ likes its minimal.

its my most played vidya at >800 hours with no idle.

oh and allfather gaben just accepted my first item in game.

>>141503575
>Actual Team Fortress wiki owned by valve
>As with the Rocket Launcher in Quake, the Original's first-person view model is at the bottom-center of the screen, and its rockets are launched straight ahead of the Soldier, as opposed to being fired at an angle. The Soldier holds the weapon normally in third-person view.

I think they know better than you, champ.

>>141503591
it isn't. it's no different to flipping a coin. it's like babby's first gambling if anything. now thumbwars, that's a good hand based game.

>>141503297
>>141503575
>when will people get
>Test it
Why don't you try to follow your own advice first, before trying to teach other people?

>>141503710

Yeah sure ya did. Post with a trip and add it to the item description you double nigger fuck.

>>141503768

I've tested and shown a whole (albiet GMG) server.

>>141503553
Fucking this. I could run it on a stable 60 back in 2010 but Valve keeps adding in community shit with no LoD's.

Don't you fucking tell me to upgrade either, I could play fine for 3 goddamn years before, the only things that has changed is all the poorly optimized content.

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>>141503710
>not having 4000 hours and multiple items in the game

Step up son

>>141503710
What was your item?

>>141503848
>As with the Rocket Launcher in Quake, the Original's first-person view model is at the bottom-center of the screen, and its rockets are launched straight ahead of the Soldier, as opposed to being fired at an angle. The Soldier holds the weapon normally in third-person view.

Clearly your little demo shows you know more than valve.

>>141503865
You've spent over half a year.. sitting in that chair playing tf2.
That's more time than people spend eating over the course of their entire life.
Jesus man what's wrong with you

>>141504000
I had fun

>650 hours
>I occasionally play it, it's got a lot of terribad things about it but it's occasionally enjoyable for a few games
>usual KDR at 1 kill to every 3 deaths

Got nothin on me

>>141504000
To be fair, most everyone on /v/ is going to spend this kind of time playing SOME video game. May as be one you really enjoy.

>>141504000
You've spent over half a year.. sitting in that chair browsing /v/.
That's more time than people spend fucking over the course of their entire life.

>>141504135
I have fun jacking off but i'd rather not be so proud if I spent half a years time doing just that.

>>141503798

i'll tell you it's a spy misc, and its not something cutesie like the pocket medic.
and its part of the pyro update.
And no, im not going to threaten my valve relationship so some people will believe me.

its gonna be big ass update, think im lying? i dun give a fuck. screencap this.

>>141504338
I'd be proud of you.

>>141501735
Okay seriously how is this useful at all? I just tried this and you can only get off 3 rocket jumps without dying from the selfdamage.

>>141504338
>comparing video games to jacking off to gay furry porn

>>141504381
I'll just post all the less than cutesy spy misc until i get it.

>>141504419
>gunboats
>do it correctly

If you're doing it correctly you should take anywhere from 14-20 self damage per chain jump

>>141504435
>Not jacking off to vidya porn
>Not playing gay furry vidya
Scoodydoobitydoo.jpg

>>141503850
false, lods are required by source, at least 2 are needed for every model.

>>141504419
You must not land once while rocket jumping.

>>141504526
>implying there are any good gay furry videogames
i shiggy digge gib

>>141504381
I trust you brah. I look forward to it. We've been overdue for a major TF2 update for some time. Glad to hear it'll be big.

>>141504545
lods are required by itemtest but not by source itself.

Many of the models before the workshop was released had no LOD models including valve's own.

The ambassador used the same model for world and view with no LODS so you had a 9 thousand polygon item with a 1024 texture being drawn from like 5 miles away when you can't even tell what the model is.

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>gay furry porn
>bad

>>141504692
Valve broke their own damn rules.
8k poly, 512x512 texture for weapons.

>really short rounds
>really long respawn times
>massive time between round, with preparation time to take the piss

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>>141499259
>Running around with all stupid ass weapons that ruin gameplay
>They're all reskins

Admittedly I do miss the original art style.

>>141504563
how do you do this? what comes up must come down.

>>141505096
Valve also had set rules for aesthetics.

Look what happened with that

>>141505202
You shoot the rocket ahead of yourself before landing and its blast force propels you further.
>>141505109
The maul clearly has a different model. They obviously use the same animations, but the models are different.

>>141505305
All of pyros melees (aside from the pan, ans the saxxy) us the same animations.

>>141505305
but what about when you have to reload? what about when you want to stop jumping? what about when you go inside? It seems it's just a gimmick, not useful for anything.

>>141505420
Well duh, when you want to stop jumping you do so.
Rocket jumping is a rapid movement technique, it has its uses, but you're not required to do this all the fucking time.

>>141505420
I strongly recommend you turn on auto-reload. You'd be surprised how often it has enough time to give you an extra rocket between shots.

>>141505650
So the soldier is slow and useless and unable to dodge, like I was saying earlier?

>>141505420
Very useful for quickly traversing open spaces. Not much else.

>>141505776
I guess you have brain problems.

>>141505776
You really don't have a clue. Watch professional soldiers in game and say that.

>>141505864
>TF2
>Professional

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>Typical Harvest game

>>141505963
>hurf durf, now I'll play it like I was trolling all along

>>141505861
>>141505864
sorry, instead of useless I meant there is very little skill involved. just a bit of leading required with rockets to hit slow moving targets

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>>141505963
>>141505963
>>141505963
>>141505963

>professional

>>141505970
>Bronze Badge

Why flaunt that you suck?