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http://www.cnn.com/2012/05/23/health/living-well/demise-of-guys/index.html

Hide your games, hide your waifu
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CNN still says stupid things.

The deserts are still hot.

The sea is still wet.

The world is still turning.

The video game board is still being shitposted on.
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FUCK YOU CNN

LEAVE MY VIDYA AND MY WAIFU ALONE
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because cnn has never over-sensationalized anything, riiiight?
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>>140847320
I counter your article with one of mine.
http://edition.cnn.com/2011/10/14/health/video-gamers-bodybuilders-fitocracy/index.html?hpt=hp_abar
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> cnn
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>porn and video games are ruining our generation of men
>not women and the state

I'm not even mad, I'm just disappointed.
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I swear this article comes around every few years and they just change the date.
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Now is our chance, guys.

We should be able to find a girlfriend with minimum effort, right?
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I JUST WANNA PLAY VIDEO GAMES
JUST WANNA PLAY VIDEO GAMES
JUST WANNA PLAY VIDEO GAMES
JUST WANNA PLAY VIDEO GAMES
ALL THE TIME AND ERRYDAY
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Oh look, more male shaming. I see that they realized men are retreating to video games to get away from a society that hates them, and are now setting their eyes on ruining it.
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>Implying Porn hasn't existed for 50 years
>This is somehow one generation
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I live alone.

Videogames are my main interest. I have something that I love and I have the expenses to pay for it. I am completely independent and I enjoy my life.

Suck it, feminists. I ain't need no woman in my life.
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>>140849089
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This is nothing new. The media blaming a certain something for why men aren't "men" or some shit, when it's really just been the feminist movement as a whole causing it. Chivalry is dead and feminism killed it, because angry women don't want to be 'insulted' by having the door held open for them or whatever the fuck.

Guys stand to lose everything in relationships, even if a prenup is made, thus guys lose interest in making relationships, or even being "manly" whatever the fuck that means. Also video games is a great scapegoat for ANYTHING you can possibly make up.

>His grades are dropping! Must be the video games
>He doesn't have a girlfriend! Must be the video games
>He goes out and parties all night and drinks himself into oblivion! Must be the video games

There's no logic to anything when it comes to media sensationalism.

The article is comparing video games to fucking heroin and coke abuse - it's bullshit through and through.
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inb4 500 replies
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>same thread
>all day
>every day
>implying Zimbardo has been relevant to anything for decades

It's total shit. Zimbardo went from Psychology to Pop Psychology years ago. This kind of "problem with guys" self-help new age garbage is below what you'd expect from some bitch blogger on HuffPost.

Nothing this guy says has any relevance or insight.
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STOP POSTING THIS, THE STUDY WAS RUN BY A QUACK
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>mfw feminism and homosexuality are against my religion anyways
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I am a woman, all i do is play games and read porn.
Shut the fuck up CNN.
Also why the hell is the stock image two guys with N64 controllers.
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Except that it was written by a world renowned psychologist.

The illogical rage that /v/ goes through when its favorite hobby is under attack
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What's killing men? It ain't videogames, niggers.

http://www.singularity2050.com/2010/01/the-misandry-bubble.html
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>>140849398
so is gaming but you really don't believe in your bullshit religion anyway so you feel entitled to it.

protip: it doesn't matter which one you're talking about
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>>140849447
>implying /v/'s favorite hobby is video games
Seriously...
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>>140849447
>a world renowned psychologist.
>The Stanford Prison experiment was conducted at Stanford University from August 14 to August 20 of 1971
That was his first and last mark of renown. And it happened forty years ago.

Guy has been full on hack mode ever since.
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I'm more mad at the 2 faggots holding the N64 controllers wrong than anything else.
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B-but I'm a female and all I do is sit on my ass and play games and watch porn.

Am I on the demise too? I sure hope CNN lets me know!
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Well it's kinda of true.... but they didn't mention the reasons why men are using video games & porn to escape reality. Have they looked at the opposite gender recently? They now have more power over men, this is because women want special treatment, so big corporate brother implements laws revolving around women. How can men be "MEN!" if women can lie about rape and throw us in jail?

How can men be MEN if society has absolutely no fucking clue what it's going to do next? A hundred years ago, they had SOOO much more to look forward to, such as traveling to the moon. What do we have? All we look forward to is the next Avengers film and Call of Duty, that's it. Men are losing motivation because our society/species is losing motivation because something is holding us back from taking the next step.

*cough* global banking elites *cough*
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Just so you guys know this is exactly the kind of fringe-writer reactionary sensationalist bullshit you call out the less educated and older people for falling victim to whenever they watch Fox News, you're literally no better.
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CNN sucks. Every time I go to their website there's a story related to christianity for no reason and an "opinion" article. Fuck off.
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>>140849713
It's okay for women to not do anything to contribute to society, it's only men who are shamed for not becoming worker drones
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>>140849427
>read porn

confirmed for female
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We still havn't had this thread enough yet?
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>cry about equality and women's rights for decades
>men stop being chauvinist pigs
>they stop fighting as much
>they let women work while they stay at home

>cry about how men aren't as great as they used to be

What the fuck.
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>>140847320

>Faggots using the D-Pad on an N64 controller

Did any games even require you to use that?
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>>140849676
>And it happened forty years ago.

That's not how life works anon. You don't just dismiss someone's accomplishments because they happened a really long time ago. That's like spitting the the face of a WWII vet because he never amounted to anything after the war.
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>>140849760
MEN are still praised and highly valuable in modern liberal society.

Only it's just gay and black men.
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>>140849703
Who the fuck ever used the directional buttons on the n64 controller?

Fucking casuals
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>>140849427
are you really surprised CNN is out of touch with everything?
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>CNN

I fucking hate you, OP.
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>JUST LOOK AT THIS ONE CASE WHERE A GUY PLAYED WOW AND COD TO SHARPEN HIS MARKSMAN MIND
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>>140849427
>Read porn
Yep
Female all right
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I could probably get funding right now for a study that says that blue is confusing our children. All I need is five kids, five copies of Brain Age, and a $10 million grant.

The punchline is that as head of the project I already know what the findings will be, because that's the luxury of science-for-money.
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>>140849857
>states that they are a girl
>idiot points out poster is a girl
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>>140849970
gay men maybe, but black men are locked up in jail due to this bullshit fake "war on drugs" and suffer from misandry too.
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>>140849515
>entitled
>video games are the anti-Christ
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>>140850113
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Yeah CNN what type of faggot plays on Nintendo 64 controllers in 2012.
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>>140847320
> With porn and videogames, men are discovering that the work and effort it takes to court a woman and gain access to her cunt, particularly given the incredible level of self worth media instills in every woman, is not actually worth it.

And this is a bad thing?
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>women's faces when men are starting to realize they don't need a woman to be happy
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>>140849958

Except psychology is an entirely different playing field where time can discredit your work. Look at homosexuals being a mental illness.
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They aren't holding it wrong depending on the game. There were some games like fighters that didn't use the analog stick.
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So basically

Men must focus entirely on college and get a well paying jobs so that they can buy women pretty things.

And women can just go do whatever the fuck they want?

Hell fucking no. Suck my dick, CNN.
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>>140849958
>That's like spitting the the face of a WWII vet
If a WWII vet started spouting off how he knows how to run islamic counter insurgency because he saw Patton drive by in a jeep, then he can go fuck himself too.

>You don't just dismiss someone's accomplishments because they happened a really long time ago.
And you don't give credence to hasbeens because they had one sole accomplishment in the past.
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>>140850221
It is to them. They need our surplus labour, or else civilization crumbles.
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>Guys are also totally out of sync in romantic relationships, which tend to build gradually and subtly, and require interaction, sharing, developing trust and suppression of lust at least until "the time is right."
>Implying
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Actually I can agree with this study. I've been playing video games since I was 2 and looking at porn since I could move a mouse on a 9600baud modem equipped computer, and fucking EVERYTHING is boring to me now. EVERYTHING.
I DO require CONSTANT stimulation or I go crazy.
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>Thumb over D-pad
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Projecting, the Thread, the 78th Coming
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>>140850371
You're fucking autistic.
Go outside and do something with your life faggot.
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Don't forget that Columbine,virginia tech and 9/11 were caused by videogames.
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(top comment)
>The Demise of Gals: How Materialistic vices such as the HGTV, the shopping network, soap opra"s, Woman's Soft Porn Novels have turned American woman into consumers, shoppers and lovers of Wealth and Money.. Their brains now believe that in order to be happy , you need a 3000 square foot house with 3 baths and a huge modern kitchen.. Cloths, jewerly, fashion this is the modern American woman.. I consume, I buy , therefore I exist.. But of couse the female authors only see males as the problem.. takes two to tango, gals!
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VIDEO GAMES ARE A SIN
PORN IS A SIN
CAFFEINE IS A SIN

ANYTHING YOU CAN GET ADDICTED TO IS A SIN, STOP SEEKING PLEASURE YOU FILTHY HUMANS
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>>140850272
>>140850272
>>140850272

CNN is essentially telling us

>"BE A FUCKING MAN, but keep doing what society tells you to do and stuff, cuz like.... ur a man, you have to buy stuff for women and stuff.
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>>140850232
it sure is
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>>140850371
That's because you have ADD from a lifetime of poor nutrition and parental neglect. Not because of the porn and vidya.

One hundred years ago it would be "I spend all day at the penny arcades watching 'what the butler saw' and playing parlor and card games.'

Shit's on you, not your hobbies you enjoy.
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>>140849970
What about brown people? I want my special treatment as well, and transgender people should have more support in the laboral place.
Ok no seriously this shit needs to stop, people should be valued for their achivements not for their race and less for their gender
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This reminds me of a blog post I read yesterday.

http://no-maam.blogspot.ca/2012/05/rites-of-passage-boys-to-men.html

Basically it's society's fault that men are turning out like this. What in the hell did they expect when they feminize us and remove all incentives for us to "man up"?
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>>140850295

>suppression of lust at least until "the time is right."

My sides.
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>>140850580
>"BE A MAN!"
>"What does it mean to 'be a man'?"
>"You have to go to college, get a well-paying job, and support a family."
>"Isn't that the same as 'being an adult'?"
... I tried to create a faux argument against that but I couldn't.
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>people going on about the two guys using the D-pads
Did nobody play the multiplayer minigames on Kirby 64? Kirby 64 is the only game I know of that requires the D-pad though.
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>>140850753
The wrestling games used the D-Pad as well.
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WHY ARE YOU ASSHOLES HOLDING THE CONTROLLER LIKE THAT

ALSO

>IMPLYING FULLY-FUNCTIONAL N64 CONTROLLERS STILL EXIST
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>>140850836
maybe they're playing pokemon puzzle league
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Who the fuck still have a N64?
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>>140850753
Mischief Makers
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you guys are just ENTITLED. you think you can just live your lives and not feel bad for black people? YOU THINK YOU CAN JUST NOT PAY FOR WOMEN TO MERELY EXIST? YOU HAVE A LOT OF NERVE.
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>try to go masturbation free for long periods of time
>last 5, maybe 6 days
>shamed. feel i have no control

Guess I'll just have to do better this run.
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>>140850962
Well the trick is to not be underaged
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>>140850836
I have 4 in my room right now.

They all still work.
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With the internet and porn and such crap, comes more and more people that don't know right from wrong. What a sad situation this has become. Would be better to educate yourself by reading some non fiction real life stories on how America became Great and not put your time in on what is tearing down the Moral Fabric of our Country. What next, Man marries a donkey?
___
Holy shit america
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>>140850836
All three of my N64 controllers work fine. One has a shitty Z button but it still works.
One's even a madcats one and it's the best of them all.
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>BE A MAN
what's that mean?
>SACRIFICE YOUR HOBBIES AND ENTERTAINMENT
to what end?
>BE AMBITIOUS IN THE WORKFORCE
wait, why exactly?
>IF (YEAR < 1960) ENJOY DOTING WIFE AND LOVING CHILDREN
nope, time has passed
>ELSE NO REWARD OFFERED FOR HIGHER EFFORT EXPENDED, JUST MORE DEBT AND CULTURAL SHAME
No thanks.

Unless someone can explain how being a "man" provides for a reward I can't see why it's worth the effort.
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mandatory
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Who is that Lisa cunt?
Dumb bitch
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http://www.somethingawful.com/d/news/zimbardo-video-games.php

Just because you got a TED Talk slot doesn't make you a genius.

Fuck, moot got a TED Talk.
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>baby boomer propaganda
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>>140851295
>Fuck, moot got a TED Talk.
Did he now?
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>>140851132
All being a man means is being self-sufficient. When someone attempts to redefine what it means to be a man or some other bullshit they don't have your well being in mind
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>>140851339
http://www.ted.com/talks/christopher_m00t_poole_the_case_for_anonymity_online.html
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>>140851343
>All being an adult means is being self-sufficient.
FTFY
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>/v/ thinks it's a smart ass for noticing the way they're holding the controller
>/v/ shows they don't know shit about videogames
>/v/ doesn't question why anyone would be playing a 64 in 2012
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>>140851120
>>140851061
Man really? I've got two Nintendo ones and the analog stick on both is pretty messed up. Fucking mario party. Other two are third parties and useless.
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The way I see it I am helping to combat global overpopulation. But really I dont see a point in pursing women, my current job lets me have enough money to support myself and have some fun. If I had a family I would be fucked and have to go back to school. But then I would have to give up my favorite things to get "happiness", fuck no I dont want a broad and a kid draining me.
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>feminists start complaining about white males being "emasculated"
>news joins in, paints it as something that's just now happening
My levels of mad are so fucking high right now.
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fuck this gay society
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>>140849279

>Chivalry is dead and feminism killed it

Which upsets me.

Gentlemen need to come back. I don't understand how a woman could not be swooned and incredibly flattered to have a man hold the door for her or stand up when she leaves a table or kiss her hand instead of shaking it.

I personally find it to be intoxicating.

I'm a woman by the way
One time this guy tipped his hat to me when I came over to talk to him. When he left he wished me a good day and bowed before leaving.
I smiled all damn day because of him.
Come back, mystery man. You never gave me your name. ;_;
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>>140851132
well i feel good after a hard day's work. it feels nice to do a good job and be self-sufficient.
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>>140851425
women are dependent on men to survive. Has always been the case since the dawn of our species.
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>Be tall and strong
>Have a job setting in which I'm very productive
>Doing well in school
>Lots of other hobbies and interest 'sides games
>All of this value nullified by the fact I fap to porn and play video games

gee thanks for opening my eyes
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>implying there is any reason not to be a hedonist any more

I'm sorry ladies, you have broken your social contract, now I have no promise of relationship stability or child rights.

I will, instead, slather myself in barbeque sauce, masturbate to trans-gender pornography wile riding a dragon dildo, and then get some neighborhood animals to lick all the sauce off
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The image says it all.
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>>140851030
>>140851030
>>140851030

I went exactly 3 weeks without fapping a few weeks ago..... OH-MY-GOD.

I never knew I could be so horny, the urge to fuck made me feel like a cavemen searching for women to bend over and blow my cock into their pussy and cum as hard as I can.
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>Norwegian mass murder suspect Anders Behring Breivik reported during his trial that he prepared his mind and body for his marksman-focused shooting of 77 people by playing "World of Warcraft" for a year and then "Call of Duty" for 16 hours a day.

>World of Warcraft

>This is actually true
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>showing N64 controllers in 2012
>holding the controllers the wrong way

Jesus this is like those scenes from sitcoms where someone is randomly mashing buttons on an XBox controller with NES sound effects coming from the screen.
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I JUST got finished reading these articles from the tabs I opened from the last thread, from around six hours ago.

So does this mean we're NOT "the beautiful ones" after all? God damn it.

But at least I can remain at home in a comfortable environment with the things that bring me pleasure while being ugly.
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>>140851514
>feminists emasculate and discriminate against men
>complain when men decide they don't want to put up with this shit anymore and turn to videogames and the internet
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Does anyone see the inconsistency with saying gaming has turned males into lazy do-nothings then using an example of a guy playing games while he dedicates his life to killing a shit-ton of people?
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I do agree with some of the articles that discuss the "pussification" of young men, and theres some merit to it. It's harder to be driven o now with all the convenience of technology, lack of work/competition, and the devaluing of men.

It just pisses me off when people think i'm lazy. I'm not lazy, I can just do shit faster than then walking around the city trying to find a job. It's difficult to live or hard to move out on a Part-Timers salary and shit is kinda against us. Our dad's generation is never going to understand that.
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Expected what I got.
A tame study which shows that addiction is bad, and that the items on their own aren't bad things, but that being addicted to them is harmful.
And from this, a retarded news outlet sensationalizes it, and makes a absolutionist (as well as incorrect) decision that video games and porn are bad for you.
Just CNN being CNN. This time, video games are the SARS.
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>>140851343
>being self-sufficient
Why on earth would I want to be that?

>Excuse me while I render down some potash from some plant fiber I threshed because I need to mill some glass by hand because I'm nearsighted.
Fucking dumb. I know that's not what you're talking about.

But if self-sufficiency is defined as not being dependent on parents/family/friends or the state, then why is it such a big fucking deal?

>every western society is partially socialist
>relying on others seen as a weakness
Does not fucking compute.
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>>140851569

Male here. I agree; it's a shame.
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Ironically this article is demonstrative of the problem. Will we ever see "demise of women"? Hell no we won't
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>>140851569
then realize that feminism is an antimale movement

speak out against it

society can still be fixed, but it needs to start with those with power: women
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>looks at the comments for the article
>everyone is mocking the article and its author

feels good man
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>>140850295
>Implying girls these days dont have sex just as soon.
We cant have sex by ourselves you know.
This article is stupid.
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>>140849978

>Never played Mischief Makers

pleb
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>>140851569
because our mothers taught their daughters to expect it from men. of course this doesn't apply to everyone, but some people just expect it or dont think its anything special OR EVEN WORSE, get mad when it happens because they twisted it all in their head. i still am gentlemanly, i get joy out of it, even moreso if the female is appreciative.
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>>140851815
I think that it's an equivalent exchange thing.

Everyone gets shit even if it's just incidental stuff like not getting raped or having your house burnt down because there's stuff like police. The idea is that you should be personally contributing back to society through taxes and not trying to rape and burn down houses.
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>>140849945
That Kirby game did. Crystal Shards or whatever.
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>mfw the stock picture of video games is from 1998
>mfw " In 2009, MTV's "True Life" highlighted the story of a man named Adam whose wife kicked him out of their home -- they have four kids together -- because he couldn't stop watching porn."
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>>140851569
>>140851832
Fuck you both, if someone's holding a door for me, I won't even look at them and I'll open the other door.

Fuck codes of social conduct trying to make me walk faster than I want to. No one ever said I had to walk through a door someone opened for me.
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>>140851569
Fuck you and fuck chivalry. Chivalry was the reason why able bodied men and boys foolishly drowned while post-menopausal women were saved.
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>>140849945
>not playing tony hawk with D-Pad

caaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaasual
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>>140851569

Courtesy is taken as weakness.

Logic is taken as apathy.

Interest is taken as dependence.

Love is taken as possession.

It's not 100% true but that's the pattern for this generation of quick divorces and women entitlement. Those things the majority of women wrongly perceive is going to change in the upcoming years, or else there are going to be a lot more older, single, desperate women.
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>>140851892

I have.

All my female friends said my views were incredibly stupid and mocked me.
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But video games can have some of the best role models. Look at this guy. Who wouldn't want to be like this guy?
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>>140851221
another penn & teller mandatory
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>>140851815
because you want to be able to survive without your mother feeding and clothing you. you die alone.
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>>140852208
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWr4htYp9dM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWr4htYp9dM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWr4htYp9dM

derp
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> "Porn may become a substitute for healthy face-to-face interactions, social or sexual."

well that's kind of true, but there are other factors that contribute to the feminization of man. I recomend watch Fight club, he talks a little about this, and read The way of the superior man-great book
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>>140851892
>society can still be fixed

Out of wedlock births are soon to be at 50%, most marriages end in divorced (majority initiated by women, and for no real reason other than her not being happy anymore), marriage rates are plummeting. We are long past saving society, the only thing we can do is watch it crumble and hope we can rebuild.
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>>140852149
Your friends are either a. terrible sexist people or b. brainwashed.

As is most of society.

Ah well.
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>my fratboy boyfriend prefers porn and cawadoody over me
>the issue must be the vidya and porn

Women logic
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>>140847320
>the way they are holding those N64 controllers
>yfw
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>>140852090
you're an asshole for no apparent reason. so edgy. one day you'll look at yourself in the mirror and realize you're being silly.
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>>140851569
>I don't understand how a woman could not be swooned and incredibly flattered to have a man hold the door for her or stand up when she leaves a table or kiss her hand instead of shaking it.

It makes sense once you understand hypergamy. Such acts of submission lowers you in the eyes of women, which is a very bad thing to do. Showing any kind of weakness will make women resent you
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>>140852231
>you die alone.
I live alone.

Have for years.

I got a dog and vidya. Why is the concept of "dying alone" so fucking terrifying to you?

Oh man, if only I could work harder to make fractionally more money to impress a woman that has a 50% chance of divorcing me and taking half my paycheck from me for the next 18-24 years!

FUCK, SIGN ME UP!
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>>140852504
I know I'm being silly.

Doesn't mean I'm not going to do it. It's not like I'm fucking over my friends or anything, I only do it to strangers who want to hold the door for me when I'm a good fifteen seconds away from the door. Just let it close god damn it's not some monumental task to open a fucking door.
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>people think that this is bad for males
>implying living solitude isn't the manliest and most natural way to possibly react to the current state of our society
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTOlZkRLOj8
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>Young men -- who play video games and use porn the most -- are being digitally rewired in a totally new way that demands constant stimulation.
No they aren't. They come that way, that's why they have those draw. That's where the attraction comes from. Because they possess attributes we want.

>Such new brains are also totally out of sync in traditional school classes, which are analog, static and interactively passive.
No they aren't quite the opposite. Those types of brains are the exact kind that rip apart academics, they want new and more information to twist it up and use it. Proper academics isn't sitting in a room and repeating the same thing ad infinitum. It's gathering data, producing new ways of thinking about data. Academics in practice see a lot of repetition, but that's for data collection and in many ways that can be just as interesting for a while or even automated sometimes or even sourced out.
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>ruining a generation

Oh no, they don't want the worker bees to value something over pussy, vehicles, and alcohol. Go figure.

We see this argument all the time, nothing new.
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>>140851569

I try to treat all people with a basic level of respect. But, It's really hard to be chivalrous or gentlemanly in this society.

Be chivalrous to a woman, and you'll be insulted or taken advantage of. Then if another guy catches wind of it, congratulations, you're a pussy.

That doesn't stop me from doing it though.

At the end of the day, I can at least rest with the knowledge that I maybe made someone feel good that day.
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>>140852578
Explain all of courtly romance then.

That whole shit is all men acting weak for their TWUE WUV.
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>WE DON'T WANT OUR MEN TO BE TOUGH STUDS.
>WE DON'T WANT OUR MEN TO NOT BE TOUGH STUDS.

WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU WANT?! ATLEAST VIDEOGAMES AND BROS UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY WANT.
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Society dictates the man is supposed to be independent.

The man is now completely independent.

Now women get angry at men.

Why?
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>>140852612

Why are you so bitter towards women? You won't always be happy jacking off or trolling bars for one-night stands.

You gonna say "fuck it", and order a dragon dildo?
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>>140852578
Except being unable to display vulnerability is a sign of weakness and being able to display vulnerability is a sign of strength. So what now fagget?
Babby with tiny precious ego too scared to take a few knocks? Can't recover from a little ribbing? awwww....
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>>140852824
Do you really need to ask?
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>shelter kids and beat into their skulls that they should be nice to everyone and violence is never the answer and blah blah blah
>provide them with infinite access to unfiltered news from around the globe
>be surprised when they decide the planet and humanity in general is fucked and descend into hedonism
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>>140852791
>Explain all of courtly romance then.

Explain why women go after the thugs and alpha bad boys over the romantic beta male.

>>140852876
>Why are you so bitter towards women?

Charge of Irascibility (Code Red)

Discussion: The target is accused of having anger management issues. Whatever negative emotions he has are assumed to be unjustifiable. Examples:

“You’re bitter!”
“You need to get over your anger at women.”
“You are so negative!”

Response: Anger is a legitimate emotion in the face of injustice. It is important to remember that passive acceptance of evil is not a virtue.
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>>140852813
>we in both cases
The talk this article is referencing is by a guy, it's got nothing to do with feminists
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>>140852672
i know its odd at that distance, but i doubt that ever happens at that degree and you're just exaggerating for the sake of argument. whatever though, i hold doors for men and women if they need it because im not an asshole. at the point where someone scoffs or doesn't feel the same about the action i just say fuck it and go on.
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>>140852824

You mean I dropped out of college to marry a doctor but the doctor only cares about his porn?

Wahh, that's not fair anon! I'm a woman after all, take care of me somebody.
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>>140852738
>traditional school classes, which are analog, static and interactively passive.
I.e. the least effective pedagogical method proven by real psychologists, not hacks.

Protip for Zimbardo: Future education will BE video games. MARK MY WORDS.
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>real women and the obligations involved lose out to video games and porn
>it's "addiction", not the fact that the women are crappy, and the obligations have no incentives
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>what, you're in your 20's and not married, or have a girlfriend?
>only 50% of marriages end in divorce, most within 10 years
>ex-wife doesn't have to continue any of her duties after the marriage is over but only 99% of the time does the man have to pay alimony and child support while also barely getting to even see his kids
>many men end up having to pay so much from alimony/child support that they are in their 40's and living with their parents because they can't afford a place of their own after more than half their earnings get garnished
>WHY AREN'T MEN THESE DAYS ACTING LIKE REAL MEN?

It's funny because we ARE being real men, we are making good long term decisions. It just so happens that starting a family is no longer a good long term decision thanks to feminist/leftist shit policies. It's cool though, we're not even mad, we'll just spend our money on ourselves and not even have kids, and leave the country with a generation of mexicans, niggers, and muslims to duke it out in a race war. Enjoy your tolerant, multicultural society.
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>>140852758
>Self
>Money
>Whores

That's the law.
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>>140852953
I asked first faggot.
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>any multiplayer game worth playing uses the analog stick instead of the d-pad
>the one on the right has a broken analog stick
>obviously N64 controllers someone fished out of a thrift store
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>>140852612
>blowing my statement out of proportion like CNN
self-sufficient is exactly what you are then. i dont even know why you are talking about it if you live alone and have sex with your dog.
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NEWS FLASH

MEN LIKE SEX AND VIOLENCE

MORE AT 11
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>>140852950
>Except being unable to display vulnerability is a sign of weakness and being able to display vulnerability is a sign of strength.

Where in the fuck did you hear this from? If a man shows any weakness, both men and women will shame him. It's like you people don't know how the real world works
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>>140852758
them sheeple, eh?
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Complaining about women etc is stupid. A real men isn't going to pay them any heed.
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>>140852876
>using the word "trolling" properly

I doubt 99% of the people who visit 4chan these days don't even know that trolling has anything to do with fishing.
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This whole line of discussion has spawned some of the stupidest shit I've personally ever seen anywhere. If you want to maintain a shred of intellectual dignity, I'd steer clear of this whole mess.

Ultra heavy porn and video game use really will change your brain, but whether it's a bad thing and whether it's responsible for perceived flaws in our society are questions that are beyond anyone's ability to answer.
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>>140852962
It does. I'll hold a door for someone if they've got like a shitload of bags in their hand or something but I'm just walking along like normal and someone opens up the door and if I walk through the door they're holding open I have to do this weird turn anyway to head up the stairs.
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>170 replies worth of "no u"

gg you bunch of manchildren
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>>140853257
NO U
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>>140852952
>ascend into hedonism
fix'd for accuracy.
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no u
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>>140853257
>cnn
>video games
>anders breivik
what did you expect?
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I wish I could filter these post by people who've been a relationship and people who haven't

As it turns out, all of your problems don't magically disappear the minute you manage to convince some lucky lady that she needs your chicken in her chow mein

You get an entirely new set of problems. And most of them aren't even yours, they're hers/his/its (Whatever you're into)
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>>140853257

NO U
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>imply video games and porn are causing young males to become anti-social
>open with a picture of two boys playing video games together
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Porn IS bad. But it's not just men who are guilty of abusing it.

No I'm not some moralfag, nor am I a Christian. But porn desensitizes the brain to sexuality, and creates a false image of what it's really supposed to be about. It's not about etching tallies into your bedpost. Sex can be about many things, stress relief, boosting morale and self-esteem, and sometimes compassion, trust, and on very rare occasions, love (not to be confused with lust). Porn has turned sex from something personal, healthful, and spiritual into something purely social.

And because of porn, every woman thinks every dick below 7 inches is small, and men think there's no risk of getting shit on your dick when you fuck a girl in the ass.

The world's view on sex is pretty fucked up, and it's undeniably because of unrealistic depictions of sex in pornography.
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Well this reminds me, it's about time for my daily fap, then I'll play some videogames >/v/ >playing videogames. Any suggestions?
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>Writers: So, are video games causing he demise of men?
>"Scientists": Yes. All the math and science and... stuff points to yes. Absolutely.

Imagining this conversation in my head is hilarious.
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>>140853120
>he doesn't know how alphas roll
judgementalbetas.png
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>>140853257
no u
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BREAKING NEWS
EVERY MALE ON THE INTERNET LOOKS AT PORN AND PLAYS VIDEO GAMES

I get it. You guys don't want to change, even if there were stronger evidence that porn, excess gaming, and excess solitude aren't good for a developing person, they would reject it. It's similar to how to south opposed getting rid of slavery. It's their way of life, so don't expect it to go away.

Just saying though. In the coming years there will be more hard scientific evidence to back these claims and you won't have an excuse.
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It's the feminist I tell you. Girls have a unrealistic expectation of guys these days.
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>>140853454
my only problem is I don't have enough MONEY to fund my hedonism properly.

Quick, how do people make money these days? I can't just go out and kill like, goblins for cash, can I?
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>>140853178
whatever, your problems are stupid along with everyone else's.

except for that
>>140851569

enjoy being mad at nothing as always, /v/
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>>140853480
I'm pretty sure nobody in this thread has implied otherwise and I doubt you've even read the thread. Unless I missed a bunch of posts. "Having a relationship doesn't make everything magically wonderful" is a point for another animal of crappy thread.
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>Women losing power over men
>Try to make it seem like we don't know whats best for us
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>>140852090

What's so wrong about someone being polite and nice to you?

If someone is holding the door open for me, I'll look them in the eyes and give a smile while thanking them because that's the polite thing to do. If we're both going inside or both leaving and there's another door (like at some restaurants), I'll rush ahead and open the next door for them in return. Why? Because it's nice.

>>140852096

Which is an incredible shame. No one should be forced to die. It's a real tragedy. Yet for those people - regardless of gender - who truly did let someone else aboard the life boat instead of them...They're heroes.

>>140851979
>>140852778

Good sirs, continue to uphold these values. Even if people downgrade you, you truly are making the world a better place.
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>>140853506
maybe if women would have sex with me, i wouldn't have these obscured views of actual sex.
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>>140853176
>and whether it's responsible for perceived flaws in our society are questions that are beyond anyone's ability to answer.
I'm pretty fucking sure that we both know the answer to that question.
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>>140853548
>porn and video games are just as bad as the systematic oppression and destruction of a massive part of humanity
>men are at fault for this and are not the victims of a broken and blatantly antimale system
confirmed for feminist

Don't you have a man to marry and divorce, stealing half of his worldly possessions and throwing him into poverty?
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>>140853525

Most of these studies aren't even conducted by real scientists and shit all over proper rigor.

Due to this I've replaced the image of a scientist in your description with that of a used car salesman and now I can't stop laughing.
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>>140853120
if you go to a funeral and see people crying, they won't be shamed. humans aren't perfect, and anyone pretending to be is an immature douchebag. that shit only flies until your mid-30s when young girls aren't interested in you. so, literally, MAN THE FUCK UP and accept the human condition
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Chivalry was dead the moment women demanded they were men's equals. Chivalry is the acknowledgement that women were the weaker sex, and the social contract between the sexes was that men would give women special treatment and women would respond in kindness to it. Women wanting equality and chivalry just shows how greedy they are
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>>140849857
>>140850037
I read porn, and I am a guy. Although, I do read super fast.
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>>140853525
>http://www.somethingawful.com/d/news/zimbardo-video-games.php
>Zimbardo begins the talk by citing high school dropout statistics for boys versus girls, but his other charges lack solid statistics.
So basically the dude saying this made it up.
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>>140853590
You should do what the CNN hack article would have you do (ie: work hard, make cash), then spend it on yourself rather than a woman. Simple.
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>>140853480

I've come to realize after dating and fucking 28 women in the past four years that the only thing I miss about relationships was the sex, which I don't even like that much to begin with.

I don't want offspring yet, so there is absolutely no point in me wasting my time with a needless relationship with a woman I don't want. It's not like there's only one girl out there for me and if I miss my chance with her then it's gone forever. When I'm ready for kids, there will always be someone within my standards who I can get committed to, unless some sort of apocalyptic event happens.
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>>140853506
I have no idea how you make the connection that porn makes sex "purely social". I don't see what that has to do with anything.

That it gives unrealistic expectations about sex and can be desensitizing, probably. After looking at perfect women with nicely bleached anuses for years the real thing doesn't seem so great, sometimes.
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>>140853531
Alphas sure as hell don't bow down to women
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>>140853548


Why do we need an excuse? If we earn the money to pay for our hobby, we are doing as much for society as anyone.

And maybe, if by some apocalyptic madness, females become desperate in terms of being able to find suitable partners, they will have to find a way to impress men for the first time in history. God fucking forbid?

Seriously, where are the studies of the way adolescent female culture is "degrading"? Because genuinely, it is "as bad or worse" to put it in the arguments terms, when compared to adolescent male culture.
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>>140853016

5 star post.
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>>140853669
>What's so wrong about someone being polite and nice to you?

It's wrong when it's expected of you to do it only for the opposite sex, while you're told not to expect it in return
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>>140853765
isn't that basically what MGTOW is?
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>>140853707

>implying the divorce wasn't completely justified because she got bored of the beta male she turned her man into.
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>>140853079
>i dont even know why you are talking about it
Because even though I'm independent enough that I live on my own, the broader ideal of self-sufficiency is ever more MADE UP BULLSHIT.

Think, who wants you to move out at 18, go to college on a loan, graduate, get a job, get 10 loans to pay for a house, car, and more. That's the path to "self sufficiency." And it starts over every generation.

Only western civilizations believe in this bullshit where it's "MANLY MACHO MEN" that abandon their previous family to go and start their own.

In nearly all eastern societies, families support and grow their success as a unit, for multiple generations. A proper family has enough wealth to take care of dozens of scions.

But again, who REALLY wants you to sever all ties with your parents and dump yourself out in the world with no resources, credit, or industry? Who really profits from "pressing reset" on every generation?

The answer might surprise you.
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>>140853548
My excuse will be that I don't give a shit.
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>>140853669
I don't want them to be polite and nice toward me if it puts pressure on me to do something I don't want to do. That's not politeness, that's social coercion.

I don't see where this 'you can't refuse something meant to be polite' comes from.
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>car broke down last night
>sat in a service station parking lot for a few hours waiting for a tow truck
>group of 20-somethings were also sitting around in the parking lot doing nothing the entire time I was there and were still there when I left
>this is considered a more socially acceptable way to spend a saturday night than spending it playing video games
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Social contract. The Jews broke it. Everyone is going to hell, but at least the white males will go happy while the white women bitch and moan, struggling to take as much advantage of the dying system as they can.
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Am I the only one who holds a door open for everyone? I figured that was just proper manners in some scenarios.

You don't do it when there's huge lines of people rushing around, but if there is one person behind you it'd be nice if you held it open for just a second longer.

Guess I'm just weird.
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>>140853707
yes go on a tangent about what my analogy WASN'T about. i was talking about changing someone's way of life.
also I'm a guy. I have no idea what that second part is about.
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I appear to have been rustled.
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>women buttfrustrated and bitching about glorious 2D

Why can't more women enjoy all this stuff as well? I'm sure there are stuff made for women out there

It seems like they don't like fun and don't let other people have fun like an IRL /v/
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>>140853506
>Porn IS bad.
No it's not.
>But porn desensitizes the brain to sexuality,
No it doesn't.
>and creates a false image of what it's really supposed to be about.
Yet again no it doesn't.
>It's not about etching tallies into your bedpost.
Porn is about getting off, dat pussy and sex. Not about the numbers.
>Porn has turned sex from something personal, healthful, and spiritual into something purely social.
Nothing is spiritual, spiritual is a term for feel good fags as an emotional and intellectual scapegoat. Porn, is still very personal and very 'healthful.'

>And because of porn, every woman thinks every dick below 7 inches is small, and men think there's no risk of getting shit on your dick when you fuck a girl in the ass.
These require sources and validation and even then they can't be blamed on porn only on trends in porn. Because I only watch porn where chicks vomit and shit on tiny dicks all day.

>The world's view on sex is pretty fucked up,
And you're just another notch in that bedpost statistic.
>and it's undeniably because of unrealistic depictions of sex in pornography.
It's most likely attributed more to people being fucking idiots, like yourself.
This shit gets passed around long before porn and most women don't even watch excessive amounts or a lot. They don't tally the different guys and they don't sit there and say, well if that one guy has a twenty inch dick then everyone who doesn't is tiny. (well yeah they kind of do that, but not because of porn)
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>>140853741
>if you go to a funeral and see people crying, they won't be shamed
If a man cries because his women left him, he will be told to "man up" and get over it. If a man cries because his ex-wife stole his kids, his wealth and his self respect he will be told to "man up" and get over this. Just look at your own hypocritical words.

>so, literally, MAN THE FUCK UP

No, fuck you.
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>>140853936
poe's law strikes again

In case you're actually being serious, a marriage is supposed to be a partnership. Fix what's broken before you throw it away.

Also,
>implying it's not her fault because she and the feminist system she supports turned this man into a bland spineless beta shit
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>>140853743
>chivalry is acknowledging that women are weaker
I don't remember that in The Knight of the Cart.

I do remember Lancelot going through a ton of shit because he super duper duper loves Guinevere and then she tells him to lose every game in the tournament and he does and he doesn't care when he's bleeding all over the place because he's so happy to be getting to fuck her just once and then they can never have sex again and he brings Guinevere back to Arthur and Lancelot is forever alone.

Chivalry: do a bunch of stuff for a girl who's already married.
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>>140851221
The last paragraph ruins everything he says.
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>80% of divorces are initiated by women
>Most common reason is boredom
>Women turn around and say men are afraid to commit
>Women get defaulted the kids
>Men are forced to pay child benefits that aren't checked

Why exactly would men want to do anything else?
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>>140854016

>AT LEAST THEY GO OUT.

I had to deal with this shit for years.
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>>140853506
>>140853506
>>140853506
>>140853506
>>140853506
>>140853506
>>140853506
My fucking nigga. Fight the good fight. Even on 4chan which is a losing battle.
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>>140851569
>Which upsets me.
It shouldn't and it really isn't (chivalry is white knighting)
Chivalry is faggotry.
Egalitarianism is what you should be worried about. Not chivalry. But just being a decent person in general.
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>>140854089

No, you're just Canadian.

If you don't hold a door open for someone/don't thank someone who held a door for you, everyone will fucking STOP AND STARE AT YOU, their eyes following you during your entire fucking visit until you leave.
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>>140853931
Yes, MGTOW is men saying fuck you to society and concentrating on what they want to do.
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>>140854089

Nah, I do that. I feel bad when I'm spaced out, don't realize there's somebody behind me, and then let the door slam in their face.
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I'm sure the utter destruction of the male image has nothing to do with it

What is a man supposed to be (other than a miserable pile of secrets of course)?

Muscular? Overcompensating
Thin? Effeminate
Fat? Not good enough for women
Alpha? demeaning to women
Beta? too weak for women
Good Job? women spend all your money
Bad job? women won't come near you

Men aren't allowed to be anything any-more. that is what killed men
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>>140854223
It's because he has to turn it into a joke or else LOL BORING FAGGOT

our society is fucked

no heroes ect ect
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>>140854016
>>140854016

The vast majority of humans are designed to think as a collective rather than individually.
This is why rulers rage war, because they take advantage humans who "go with the flow".
Until this stops, this planet will keep fucking itself over & over.
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>>140854268

But I live in the United States..
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You can't take her away, I wont let you...
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>>140854343
The only winning move is not to play etc
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>>140854275
So I've been doing this for my whole life without knowing it?

Alright.
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>>140854115

>Women use sex as a lure
>Women use sex as a reward

That is all women have going for them. No one can stand them alone for prolonged periods of time, so anything that threaten their only redeeming value appears, they're going to hate on it.
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heres a pic of who is to blame.
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>>140849183
Just fyi, of course porn has existed for a long time, but it is now very very easily accessible and with great variety compared to lets say 20 years ago.
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Holy shit reading this thread I can tell you guys are really buttanguished about not getting laid.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=_annotation_263672&src_vid=zif0_60b3WU&v=wSF82AwS
DiU&feature=iv


ted talk aimed squarely at the guys on the internet. take a look
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>>140853928

But isn't the whole concept behind doing something generous is to not expect something in return to begin with? Otherwise it's not really generous because you are selfishly expecting the other person to do something in return.

And who says you have to do it just for one gender? Yeah the old-fashion codes of conduct taught to only do it for the opposite sex but that doesn't mean you're limited to just that. Instead of being a bitter and spiteful, you can be kind to everyone.
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>>140853016
Sir, I applaud you. I agree completely with you

its sad but the only way to get away from this garbage is to leave america. Maybe go to japan where most guys look like fags and the women arent as used to real men and the real men look like elvis presley faggots
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>mfw this thread originally was about videogames, porn and addiction there to, but has since derailed itself into the alpha/beta paradigm, feminism, and general rage
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>>140854224
>80% of divorces are initiated by women
This statistic doesn't tell us shit about the feedback of male abuse or peer pressure/ego.
>Women get defaulted the kids
Not always. And plenty of guys think that, my own parents get divorced and my father even lays on this line. But he fucking beat my mother and us as when we were children, when I was six I told my mother to divorce that asshole, literally my words and not because of training, but because he was a fucking asshole. Now my mothers no fucking angel but she didn't beat us then treat us like shit, verbally abuse us, and be a gigantic douche about everything. She just wasn't a very competent parent, which on the scale of parents is pretty average, maybe a tad bit more than average. She could have been a whole lot worse compared to others. Not a role model though.
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I never plan to get married. I will never abandon my waifu.
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>>140854268
>On the C-train headed for work
>Accidentally jostle the man standing next to me with my carrying-case
>Instantly turn around and say sorry
>He moves himself back a little to give me more room and says sorry
>His foot bumps into a seated passenger's foot as he moves back
>He quickly adjusts himself again and says sorry
>Person seated moves their foot back and says sorry

This fucking country, man.

Not even lying about this, only happened a month or two ago.
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>>140854401

Surprise! You're adopted!
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Feminism and extreme capitalism.

(Both caused by Jews)
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>>140854615
You're waifu looks like a whore.
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>>140854543
>But isn't the whole concept behind doing something generous is to not expect something in return to begin with?
It's also not feeling obligated to do it purely because of some social contract that women broke a long time ago. If I want to hold a door open for someone I will, but I won't do it because it's a woman and she expects me to solely due to the fact I'm a man.
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>>140854576
Protip: in Japan, looking like a faggot means you're a massive player and a manly man.
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>>140854530
See, folks, this is the kind of thing you'll tend to hear from bitches and whipped men whenever you have the tenacity to say anything less than stellar about a woman, or anything generally not in agreement with the exploitatively manufactured ideals of manhood.
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>>140854648
>implying it's not cultural marxism
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>most of /v/ agrees something is bullshit
>the range of reasons given are so broad and contradictory it is hilarious

Dammit /v/... Why do we have to turn this mutual hate into a political battlefield...
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>>140854479
>be gay
>allowed to be a man
>see women for the useless wastes of space they mostly are

if you didn't want to fuck females, you wouldn't like them at all
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>>140854594
>This statistic doesn't tell us shit about the feedback of male abuse or peer pressure/ego.

Women commit an equal amount of domestic violence.

>Not always.

Irrelevant, they get it the vast amount of the time. If you're a man and going through the divorce your lawyer will tell you the best you can realistically hope for is shared custody
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>>140854649
>wanting a pure innocent waifu

Enjoy your boring life. I want a waifu, not my mom.
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>How video games and porn are saving a generation
Fix'd
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Just wait five or ten more years.
The market will be FLOODED with cheap sex bots and women will be useless.
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>>140854594
>This statistic doesn't tell us shit about the feedback of male abuse or peer pressure/ego.

Doesn't tell you anything about female intolerance or scheming either.

Take it at face value.
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>>140853016
>doesn't have to continue any of her duties after the marriage
>has to take care of kids that you never see
Or at least she's supposed to. Prove she isn't doing that, you'll get custody.
Though yeah courts do make retarded decisions about that shit. They do force child support even when a parent says they don't want it. (most likely to avoid coercion which they can't do shit about, so it's tacked on automatic, whoever gets the kids gets child support)
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>>140854830
...in Japan, maybe.
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>>140854649
She is canonicly a virgin.

No, really it's a big plot point in the story to the point she must have old men check and make sure she still has a hymen.
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>2012
>using the D-pad on the N64
what the fuck are they playing?
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>>140854632
Your country is filled with freaks.
Nobody is that polite.
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>>140853506
This is true. Porn conditions the mind to go after looks and causes a great amount of anxiety around women who fit that ideal. Porn is basically an impersonal fantasy.
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>>140853548
I know it's bad. But it's just so fun.
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>>140854830
You really think women will allow sexbots without a fight? Anything that jeopardizes their sexual power over men will be fought tooth and nail.
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>>140854940
Maybe babby casual porn.
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>>140854940
And romance novels (the female version of porn) does the same exact thing to them, yet no one shames women for reading them.
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>>140854940
>Porn conditions the mind to go after looks and causes a great amount of anxiety around women who fit that ideal.
Nope.

Testosterone does that all on it's lonesome.

But please, continue talking out your ass about things you have no concept of.
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>>140854939

Sorry you feel that way, but I have a great day pretty much every day.
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>>140853016
Why women in america are like this? I mean there are bitches all over the world but the stories I heard about there are fucking ridiculous, even one day some anon posted a card where his boss was telling him that he was suspended for open the door to some bitch and she taked like an insult or somenthing
I know not all the women are like this but you got a big number over there
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>Implying the porn part isn't right

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zif0_60b3WU
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>>140855000
>women fighting mammoth corporations
fat chance
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>>140854830

I laugh at guys with their moe waifu pillows, but I would be all over that shit.

Here's hoping it won't be extremely expensive. In b4 some people buy them used..
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I can't wait to be dead.
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I think I was always socially awkward CNN. That's kinda why I play so much video games.
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>>140854940
>Porn conditions the mind to go after looks
No, human mating practices that have evolved over millions of years caused men to go after beauty and fertility.
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>>140855085

Not that guy but...

Is it true that males have lower testosterone than 20 years ago?

Swear I read that somewhere.
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>a few anons popping in just to say that we're all retards
You expect me to fucking react in a fucking intelligent manner to this fucking bullshit?
Fuck you, you fucking faggots. There are some fucking things in this fucking world that need to be responded to with nothing but unadulterated, fucking rage, you fucking, egotistical dick-wipes.
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>>140855252
Here, respond a little more directly if you want.

http://www.ted.com/talks/zimchallenge.html
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>>140855000
Trips!

I am writing a book about a post apocalyptic society where all the women were killed in a genocidal war and men have to breed using artificial wombs

it's a study on a society without women, like Y the last man in reverse
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>>140855240
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12659241
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>>140854117
You're an addict in denial. You'll do anything to defend your stance.
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>this thread

It seems that women are more desperate than men
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>>140854940
This is what /v/ has become....

Weep for the future, fellow anons.
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>>140855252
I don't exactly agree... but on /v/? Absolutely. We don't have to follow the fucking rules of debate and discussion here, that is the god damn point...
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>>140853548
>even if there were stronger evidence that porn, excess gaming, and excess solitude aren't good for a developing person, they would reject it.
You mean any evidence.
That being said, people don't know jack shit about what's good for developing people.

There are people who think kids going out and throwing rocks and stick at each other, playing sports and praying half the day and not drinking anything but water are constituent for raising a healthy individual.
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>>140855147

A Sociology professor I had said that this was especially bad in the 80's. Women were suing men all the time just for quote unquote "eye raping them".
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>>140855349
you are addicted to claiming people are addicts.

you will do anything to defend your stance.
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>>140854541
This is somewhat concerning...


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