>>139352997
Is not like diablo 2 at all.

>>139352997
X-Play gave it a 2/5.

So I guess I'm not playing that.

Reason 1: the diablo 2 team left years ago, diablo 3 is made by the wow guys.

>>139353051
explain

>>139352997
Hack & Slash feels horribly outdated and isn't very enjoyable in this day and age.
That's how I felt anyway, people cry about a lot of shit I don't much care for but the reason I'm not getting D3 is because the clickfest that is hack&slash simply isn't fun anymore.

If you want more of D2 go for it, doubt you'll be dissappointed.

>Level 60 cap
>instanced dungeons
>Maximum 4 players
>No skill trees
>Tiered armor sets.
>2003 graphics
>WoW Themed Style, and art direction.
>Rated T for Teen.
>Explosive barrel sequences(rock cliffs, and bookshelves "Console shit") to kill waves of enemies
>Slow uninteresting combat
>Generic air cutting effects when attacing
>Barbarians casting Tornado(druid skill)
>Mages using Melee
>Cut and pasted skills from WoW
>No stat points
>NO TOWNS
>Vanishing corpses
>Scripted events killing you instantly despite having full health
>Instantly respawning at boss fights
>3 passive skills only that you will be forced to juggle
>RMT'ing the AH. Double diming players for placing, and selling items on it
>legalizing chinese farmers
>Intrusive DRM
>Always Online
>No Offline mode
>No LAN
>No single player
>No opened world PVP
>Dumbed down for consoles

RMTAH:
They take a 15% cut on gems, crafting materials, and other "non-unique, stackable" items.
They take $1 on weapons and armor.
They have a 15% transfer fee to transfer the money you earn.
Then there is the 2.5% paypal fee.

>>139352997
why should people give you a reason, why can't you make opinions on your own op? are you american?

>>139352997
It's nothing like diablo 2
Always online DRM for a single player game
RMAH
$60 for an obvious cash grab game made by the WoW B-Team

>>139353123
citation needed

They built the game around the RMAH.
The RMAH will ONLY benefit blizzard, not you.

>>139352997

once it comes out /v/ will have GOTYAY threads thrice a day. they just hate anything that is popular

>>139352997
sage for op being a faggot

>>139353238
because ive been interested in getting D3 and havent read any D3 hate threads on /v/ >>139353230
this really helps. i think you helped me make my decision

>No mods
>No PvP
>It's the most expensive of all the aRPGs coming out
>The guy who did the music for Diablo and D2 is working on TL2
>Doesn't feel like Diablo 2 at all

>>139352997
>removal of the best classes, paladin and necromancer
>casualized the skill system
>shit tier textures (yes I do have a problem with this)
>pay2win. (Auction house where you can eventually sell your characters, weapons, armor and more all for real money)
>lowered the amount of people who can play multiplayer at once

>>139353168
Agreed. It just feels outdated.

If you want to play it for the singleplayer, then it is not worth the money as it has shitty voice acting, shitty writing and looks outdated. Also lots of fucked up gameplay.
The whole single player aspect is ruined.


But if you want to play with friends, even the shittiest game in the Universe is fun with friends. Friends make for good plays, not a good game.

So the final question is what will be your main playing style.

>>139353230

if it had much more in common with Diablo 2 then /v/ would call it a watered down rehash

it's not like diablo 2 so you should play torchlight 2 which is even less like diablo 2

>>139353268
>x-play
>citation needed
Why do you need a citation for that?
Who the fuck cares about review scores anymore?

>>139353349

Thrice a day? Try thrice a minute.

>Charater customization was so confusing, so they removed it (no more skill points to distribute, no more attribute points to distribute, skills unlock automatically as you level up)
>Legalized gold selling, pay-to-win auction houses
>Scripted shit EVERYWHERE
>GETTING KICKED OUT OF YOUR SINGLEPLAYER GAME FOR BEING AFK
>Bland, one dimensional, WoW inspired skills
>World PvP removed and the only PvP options is a WoW-clone arena (REMOVED TILL LATER, LOL)
>Voice acting is fucking HORIBBLE compared to D2
>Timed log-outs in a game which its gameplay is based on being fast-paced (even on hardcore mode)
>CHECKPOINTS that revive you from where you are left off (how much more casual can they make a diablo game I wonder)
>region lock, DRM that requires you to be constanly online
>blizzard 'promising' not to put any items in the RMAH Gee, I fucking wonder what's gonna happen
>LEVEL 60 CAP Surely to be raised to 70,80,90 and so on with yearly expansions that consists of cut content for only another $60!

Retarded shit that butcher the whole atmosphere such as:

•Demon Hunter using HATRED as mana and goes on to yell I NEED MORE HATRED TO USE THAT SKILL whenever he is low on energy
•Graphichs looks like re-done WoW graphics (seriously is this what a Diablo game deserves after all those fucking years?)
•More than half the fucking screen glows red when you are low on health
•Fixed class spesific gear sets that look EXACTLY like the ones in WoW (you are gonna love playing against people that look the same as you, have the same stats as you(lol) and almost certainly, the same build as you)
•MASSACRE!!!!! TEN MONSTERS KILLED!!! +25EXP!! (Remind you of a game much? Sure as fuck it isn't Diablo)

>>139353568
If you want to play with freinds then just get the TL2 four pack, its cheaper

No LAN
No World PvP
No PvP
No Mods
Pay2Play
Cash Shop
Pay2Win
Online only single player


That was easy

>>139353421

You do know that half the stuff on that list is either false or absolutely retarded, right?

They give you OP skills RIGHT off the bat, makes an already easy game even more easy.
There is very few mobs in the world areas, more in dungeons but not as many as there should be.
HP orbs drop from mobs, fucking stupid, fucking easy.
I went through the whole first act without needing a potion what so ever.
No more cursing in the chat box, yeah, lots of blood but DON'T YOU DARE SAY SHIT!
Recycled WoW Sprites fucking ugh
Auto-assigning stats, NO WORK NEEDED.
Auto-targeting mobs, confirmed for console port.

>>139352997


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHaeJFHbV6Q

>>139353710
What on that list is false?

>>139353710
Like what?

>>139353449

>>Doesn't feel like Diablo 2 at all

WHAT THE FUCK HAPPENED TO THE FIRST GAME, YOU THUNDERCUNT? NOBODY GIVES A SHIT ABOUT THE FIRST GAME YET IT WAS THE ONE START STARTED IT ALL.

Holy fuck, D2 was casualised as fuck compared to the first game and yet now there are collossal faggots who bitch about Diablo 3?

The only good reasons not to get Diablo 3:
>Your PC can't run it
>You can't afford it
>You're underage
>Your internet connection isn't stable because of stupid always online DRM
>Ghostcrawler touched you inappropriately at Blizzcon
>Bobby Kotick is your arch-nemesis
>You don't like hack&slash games

>>139353748
I don't care about anything you posted there so I am going to buy it and have fun.

Don't forget to pick up Diablo 3™ Limited Edition™ at your local shop and get exclusive, limited time, DLC™ not available anywhere else. You may also want to pick up a brand new Diablo 3™ gaming mouse for maximum fun™.

>>139353928
Diablo was set in one place at all times. It was shit. Deal with it.

>>139353945
>You have dignity
>You have standards
>You have taste
>You play mainly single player games

>>139353945
>You're not a blizzard employee
That's a huge factor.

>>139354025
What this guy said*

>Bland, one dimensional, WoW inspired skills
Are you forgetting that Diablo inspired a shit ton of WoW skills?

>mfw three diablo threads on page 1

>>139353748
>I went through the whole first act without needing a potion what so ever.
oh cool man, where did you play the rest of the act?

because you know, Leoric is about 1/4th of the first act

>>139354120

>This is /v/, where we must hate games. You write something positive about a game here? Get out of here you filthy marketer! We must hate games, because that's what we do best.

Listen to yourself.

>>139354036

11/10

I hate you so much.

>>139354381

I'm actually getting the game and think it's way too much.

Question is, /v/iral marketing or people rustling jimmies?

>>139354416
Bring it bitchtits.

Hey, anyone got that JRPG parody image of that one Diablo II art? I can't seem to find it on Google.

Just buy it and let yourself be happy. Diablo 3 is gonna be awesome.

>>139354416
Nice le epic yelow fase oh listgen to meself meditate and understerd urself

>>139354381
ur a fagit for thinking 3 threads on /v/ is "a lot" for a near release of a controversial game.

Someone wasn't here for Borderlands pre-release.

Because after the buildup of story, scenery, gameplay, music, lore, and general theater of Diablo I and II, III seems to be a letdown.

Not buying. Not stealing. I'll watch someone's yt vid of the in-game to get my storyline fix and move on.

>>139354503

justlin rimmies

>>139354503

The latter.

>>139354036

You must be underage or something to not remember how glorious the game was. In my eyes, Diablo 3 is what D2 was to Diablo; a casualisation of the series.

Protip: Just because a game is "casual" doesn't mean it's bad, otherwise you wouldn't like D2, now would you?

Wait till the game is released and form an opinion from that.

/v/ is the worst place you could come to on advice on buying triple A titles. It is a given that they are hated. There is absolutely no positive feedback here that won't get trolled to hell and back.

Stop being fucking lazy and go do some real research on the game if you're interested. Then you can see for yourself what's true and what isn't, and you avoid making this thread in the first place.

>>139353710
>You do know his facts are wrong and retarded right?
>doesn't provide counter-arguments
Cool story, Blizzdrone.

>>139354918
You know, that entire thing is so biased it pains me to read it.

How can anyone write something like that and not feel guilty as fuck?

Only on /v/ is there a thread about why you shouldn't play video games.

Blizzard doesn't need to bacterial. The fans do it for free.

>>139352997
If all you care about is grinding for items with some underwhelming WoW-like gameplay then it's for you.

If you care about complexity in your game mechanics, customization beyond your gear, a decent story or a non-cartoonish art-style then stay away.

>>139354918
>Diablo 3 is what D2 was to Diablo; a casualisation of the series.
Holy shit, made my day.
You surely can't be this delusional.
Just...god DAMN.

I love how people use "level 60 cap" as some kind of negative. It's totally fucking meaningless. How is level 99 cap any better? The numbers themselves have absolutely no impact on anything without the context of the game itself.

/v/ has made me actually prefer blind fanboyism to blind hatred. So many fucking DURR DON'T LIKE WHAT I DON'T LIKE idiots who think they are actually clever for rehashing the same half-baked arguments over and over and thinking anyone falls for their stupid bullshit

>>139354918
skill tree was important in diablo 2 because you had to choose your skills wisely
maxing out one skill would mean you would have to not max out another, or even completely skip it over..

this d3 one makes it so that at level 60 every naked wizard is the same as every other naked wizard

no more high level punching matches cuz everyones the same

>>139355101
Fucking this. Blizzard isn't /v/iraling this game. The horribly thing is that there are actually this many Blizzdrones here. Where they came from I don't know.

>>139354979

This, just fucking this already. Never come here to discuss games that are nearing release or something, just don't. Go to different forums or read up on interviews and watch some gameplay videos, then form your own opinion. Most of the stuff posted in these threads are either false as fuck spread by trolls or in pure denial by blind fanboys.

horrible art direction and atmosphere
same reason i never played torchlight, i just cant get past the low poly models and washed water colored textures

>>139355130
You will be required to buy the expansions to reach the new cap. You could still get to max level in 1 and 2.

>>139355214
>Where they came from I don't know.
Blizzard always had a lot of fans because people enjoy their games. Might have something to do with it.

>>139353557
>It just feels outdated.

you're retarded, how do GAME MECHANICS get outdated? They aren't graphics you fuck up.
No, you were just an autistic little kid who was fine with left clicking to collect mass items. The game was shit and still is shit, have you tried playing D2 lately? All I can say is, if you're still playing D2, 100% chance of being autistic.

>>139355327
>you're retarded, how do GAME MECHANICS get outdated
Is this guy serious?

>>139355130

But they do fall for the stupid bullshit.
Why do you think they keep saying it?

Because they fell for it in the first place.

>>139355291
Being a fan and being a drone isn't the same thing.

>>139355327
>All I can say is, if you're still playing D2, 100% chance of being autistic.
People like you are the target audience of Blizzard nowadays.
And the reason everything went to shit.
Your kind makes me sick.

>>139352997
You can get Diablo 2 at a cheaper, lower price.

>>139355281
Yeah, reach the max level (which took ages) and everything would be fucking easy. Not to mention like he said, the level cap is a completely arbitrary number. For all we know it takes the same amount of experience to reach 60 as it did 99.

>>139355281

Wrong. The level cap isn't increasing with expansions. This is confirmed by blizzard.

And before fucking mongrels cry about how terrible that is, remember that LoD didn't increase the level cap of D2 either.

>>139353945
blizzardrone detected

>Ghostcrawler touched you inappropriately at Blizzcon

you're not funny, nerd

>>139355420
>Being a fan and being a drone isn't the same thing.
Words are synonymous on this board these days.
Unfortunate as it is.

>>139355454
It's very outdated in both graphics and gameplay. Anyone who hasn't played it by now would think that, you don't realize it due to your nostalgia goggles.

>>139355114

Okay, tell me a new feature in D2 which is more hardcore than the first game.

>>139355197

This is the only thing I'm actually worried about. I liked the D3 beta alot and I love all the Diablo games equally, but I'm curious to see how the replay value will be in D3. New dynamic events can be pretty cool I guess but I don't really think that justifies a entire new playthrough.

>>139353945
everyones PC can run it. it doesnt require huge PC specs

because Diablo 3 is nothing but Blizzard trying to steal Guild Wars thunder.

D3 is a f2p MMO. The cash shop will be the RMAH which will have items seeded by Blizzard themselves. They realized how LOTSA MONIE the rangrang sweatshop farmers made in Diablo 2 and later in WOW, and Bobby Kotick wants that delicious pie. Making these real-money transactions safer because now you're dealing directly with the developer and you're no longer dealing with chinese sweatshops run by either american sleazeballs that are not above committing identity fraud--or by the Chinese government itself--is merely a byproduct of Bobby Kotick's brave new frontier of pay2win f2p WoW-Lite.

if you want Diablo 3 just buy Torchlight 2 for $20 instead of $60. Same CLICKAN CLICKAN CLICKAN GRINDAN GRINDAN GRINDAN shit, same artistic style, same fucking game--except Torchlight doesn't force you to connect to Blizzard servers to buy Blizzard drops generated and listed by Blizzard game masters.

>>139355002
Allow me.
>instanced dungeons
What is this even supposed to mean
>no skill trees
completely new skill system, I preferred the skill trees too but this seems to give more customization.
>tiered armor sets
not a fan of this either
>2003 graphics
Is this your first blizzard game? They make money by designing quality games that a fucking toaster could run.
>art direction
the biggest flaw in my opinion aswell.
>T for Teen
My D2 case says 16+, and my D1 case doesn't even have an age recommendation :(
>slow uninteresting combat
Still haven't seen good footage of the later levels. Take a look at D1/D2 early gameplay and tell me that the combat was fast-paced and exciting. (lol den of evil)
>Barbarians casting Tornado(druid skill)
See lore.
>Mages using Melee
Gee, it's not like my D2 melee sorc was an insane killing machine or anything
>no stat points
str for gear, rest into vita wolololo customization
>NO TOWNS
what are you smoking
>Vanishing corpses
....derp?
>RMAH
too babby for hardcore?

That's what I can bother tackling right now

>>139355583
While it may not be more "hardcore", the new skill system allows for far more customization than before. You can modify skills to basically become completely different skills as opposed to being limited to increasing your Fireball damage by 1/2/3/4/5%

Replay value will be exactly the same as Diablo 2, there are higher difficulty levels and rare loot to acquire.

Diablo 3 is an MMO in disguise
I dont play MMOs, its that simple

While you faggots are complaining about D3 I'll be enjoying the fuck out of it.

The reason why it doesn't have "stat point allocation" is cause in D2 everyone followed a cookie cutter build. Skill points? Every build only had like 4 skills you'd use aside from "buffs". Not to mention there were only a few builds that people actually used.

The RMAH doesn't bother me because of chinese gold farmers - You saw them in D2, you'll see them in D3 (and they won't use the RMAH).

>>139355693
>>RMAH
>too babby for hardcore?
Yeah, its always nice to jettison the default game mode to hide your mistakes.

>>139355664


>Forced to use RMAH


You are utterly fucking retarded.

>single player game with shitty mmo style gameplay
wow I can't fucking wait

>>139355448
>people who think the Diablo series is shit for babies is the target audience for Blizzard

holy shit... looks like I found another autist playing D2 to this day

>>139355327

>All I can say is, if you're still playing D2, 100% chance of being autistic.
>All I can say is

Is this the sort of filth that infests Blizzard games, now?

How was school, champ? Getting ready for a fun summer?!

>>139355772
Even if you did play on normal, you're fully capable of ignoring it or using it to your benefit. Personally I have no plans to purchase anything for $, though If I find a really rare item I'll be happy to sell it to make some money.

>>139355583
>Okay, tell me a new feature in D2 which is more hardcore than the first game.
First of all: Diablo was never supposed to be hardcore in the first place. It had no competetive elements, no skill ceiling, no complicated builds or gear sets and a very scarce multiplayer.
Diablo 2 had just just more of everything. It was essentially the perfect sequel, more acts, more classes, more gameplay, more skills, more itemization, more customization, more builds, more fucking content. NOTHING that was in the original Diablo has been cut out in the sequel.

>>139355837
>make some money
It doesn't work that way. You don't make any money at all. You just get credits to buy other shit at the auction house.

>>139355813
>All I can say is
what? is that a /b/ thing now or something?
nah, you're retarded and have nothing to actually respond with, sorry that I trash talked your favorite babby game, enjoy left clicking to win.

>>139355924
That isn't true at all.

>>139353141

>>139355947
Not that guy but I think you need to get ready for summer camp.

>>139355793
Just stop, kid.

>>139355793

>LOL OLD GAMES R GAY THEY HAEV SHIT GRAPHICX FUK OLD GAMES CNAT WAIT 4 D3 BRO brb guild run

>>139355854
>First of all: Diablo was never supposed to be hardcore in the first place. It had no competetive elements, no skill ceiling, no complicated builds or gear sets and a very scarce multiplayer.
IF ONLY PEOPLE UNDERSTOOD THIS HOLY SHIT IT'S LIKE ANY OLD GAME IS HARDCORE BY DEFINITION BECAUSE IT'S COOL TO SAY YOU PLAYED THEM OLD HARD GAMES BACK IN THE DAY

Seriously, D2 was an extremely long grind and that's about it. Other than ubers you could pretty much turn your brain off, listen to some radio or whatever and do the rest as long as your build wasn't retarded (read: you got it from someone who minmax'd).

>>139355985
babbys first troll

>>139355693
Who cares if they have tiered armor sets?

D2 had the same thing. D3 won't be focusing on them either, they won't be the best gear.

>>139356028
Babbys first samefagging.
Keep trying to defend that original post.

>>139356026
But.. I heavily implied I don't want D3, I just called the series shit and said it takes no skills...

How old are you, son?

>>139352997

>i enjoyed diablo 2 and i wanna know why i shouldnt get diablo 3

HAVE YOU EVEN SEEN A SINGLE FUCKING SCREENSHOT? HAVE YOU READ A SINGLE FUCKING WORD ABOUT THE GAME?

i dont get why they didnt put in customizable stats. blizz says that gems give you all the stats customizing you need, but d2 had stats customizing and charms.
when i made my pvp sorc i put everything into vit and has my charms fill in all other required stats.

was blizzard too lazy to implement both stats allocation and gem stats?

Here's a reason to get D3.
If you aren't poor and have nothing you're playing atm, why not pick it up.
If you decide to stop playing it you can start playing whenever you want again without paying anything.
Also /v/ is probably the worst place you can ask advice on for a game, you should do your own research, even if you didn't get into beta there are plenty of beta videos on youtube.

>>139356081
How is that a samefag? Sorry that I don't use a trip or didn't declare I'm the same person?
No really, how old are you?

>>139355981

Hellgate: London

>>139356141
>Also /v/ is probably the worst place you can ask advice on for a game
/v/ is all right for less popular games

>>139356123
Everyone put everything into fucking vitality, there was no point to increasing the other stats past your requirements. Stat customization in Diablo 2 was meaningless, it wasn't customization at all.

>>139356119

angry neckbeard, stop liking what i dont like, etc.
Try not to be such a worthless fucking cliche.

>>139356185
Ask a PC gamer for what good games are on /v/

OP here, ive got two ideas now. one that relays on many D3 haters thoughts (which do provide good analysis) and the other that relies on this >>139354918 anon's picture. could D3 haters just be exaggerating a bit too much or no? am i just wrong. the online stuff does sound fun

Let's be honest here:
Nobody would buy this game if it wasn't called Diablo 3.

diablo 3 isn't made primarily by the WoW guys.
it is a huge pile of everything.

I only play singleplayer games

>>139353945
You forgot the most important one:
>You genuinely think that Diablo 3 is garbage, or at least inferior to some other existing/upcoming ARPG.

Not that I'm surprised, marketer.

>>139355779
They implemented the RMAH system to legitimize chinese farmers.

Thus, if the drop rates are set to where the average player has a chance in hell of ever anything decent, chinese farmers will flood the RMAH with so much shit that everything will be worth pennies. In such a case, everyone who's going to buy gear buys all the gear they'll ever need in the first few days and never uses the system again.

Therefor, the drop rates will be set with chinese gold farmers in mind. Meaning the average person will either buy gear or simply never see anything worth a shit.

Since the higher difficulties only increase the health and damage of monsters, that means the game is entirely gear based. Which means you wither use the RMAH or you simply don't get gear.

>>139356264
This is /v/, people troll/exaggerate/spout bullshit constantly. There are also fans of games who defend them. Feel free to listen to anyone, though really it should be mostly up to you.

>>139355924
Another example of how the trolls are uninformed.

If you're gonna shitpost about something, at least get your facts straight.

>>139356219


B-but what about my unique snowflake builds?

I-I can clear hell too guys!
I s-swear!

>>139356341
China doesn't have access to the RMAH.

>>139356341
The RMAH is region locked, actually.

>>139356394 This is /v/, people troll/exaggerate/spout bullshit constantly.
So that means I shouldn't listen to marketers either, right?

>>139356226

BUT HIS QUESTION IS FUCKING STUPID

IT'S LIKE GOING TO THE ANIMALS BOARD AND ASKING "GUYS, I LIKED DINOSAURS, TELL ME WHY I SHOULDN'T BUY A BIRD"

>>139356341
The RMAH is region locked, you know.

>>139356440
>chinese farmers
>having anything to do with china
WHAT IS A BOT? WHAT IS A TOOL? The latter is you.

>>139356219
>>139356440
>Everyone put everything into fucking vitality, there was no point to increasing the other stats past your requirements.

>>139356470
That depends, is anyone who defends/supports a game a "marketer"?

>>139356456
WHAT IS A PROXY GUYS? IVE NEVER HEARD OF ONE!

you should go back to consoles kid, this computer stuff is too complicated for you

>>139356341
>the higher difficulties only increase the health and damage of monsters
it also increases their aggressive tactics.
You would be a fool to miss this.

>>139356470
Why would you listen to anyone instead of watching a playthrough and deciding whether or not the game is challenging/fun? You know... You don't HAVE to be a cool kid and buy it day 1... You can wait and watch a letsplay and actually form a REAL opinion on the game for yourself

>>139356520
Because region locking on wow totally stopped chinese farmers from getting on US realms and selling gold.

Chinese farmers have no interest in playing on chinese servers. The money is on US/EU servers.

>>139356289
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>>139356470

>he still thinks there's ever been marketers since borderlands
>he still thinks anyone cares about /v/ when there's reddit

>>139356634
People are going to buy Path of Exile, people bought Titan Quest.

>>139356616
That has zero effect on the argument that the game is entirely gear based.

>>139356620
there has been plenty of gameplay footage and there was even a DEMO
dildo 3 is shit

>>139356341

I know babby conspiracy time is fun, but give me a fucking break. If that scenario were true no one would play the fucking game. If the only way to succeed in inferno is to buy shit off the RMAH, people just won't play inferno. That's not going to happen.

Haters should try sticking to actual verifiable facts about the game instead of spewing hypothetical dooms-day scenarios as fact. It's pathetic.

>>139356582
get a load of this guy.

>>139356724
Exactly. Did I claim the game was good or that there hasn't been gameplay videos?
Autists gonna be autistic.

>>139355742

>While it may not be more "hardcore", the new skill system allows for far more customization than before.

Yes, it more easily accessable and more streamlined so to speak. In /v/'s terms it's "casualisation", and it is. However, something that tremendous faggots on this board doesn't realise is that this change doesn't make the game bad, far from it, many people play it because it was easier to pick up and play and learn. It got popular and gained a larger playerbase who then stuck to the system.

I don't want to derail the thread but it sounds awfully similar to the whole DotA2><LoL debate that goes around everywhere.

>Replay value will be exactly the same as Diablo 2, there are higher difficulty levels and rare loot to acquire.

I was thinking more of making new characters. Because of the rigid system of no respeccing you were forced to reroll new characters almost everytime if you wanted to stay competetive or even have chance on Hell.

Still, I think that Blizzard don't want us to reroll new characters all the time but to stick with them and develop this bond instead. It might sound cliché but players do get attached to characters they make themselves.

>>139356027
why does a game need competitive elements to be hardcore? did you not pvp in d2 with your friends? you didnt show off your sojs and runes?
why do you want a skill ceiling? that means at the end of the day, everyone's gonna be at the same level as everyone else
how does it not have complicated builds? stats allocation, skill allocation, gear

>>139352997
>tell me why i shouldnt buy this game

marketers pls go

>>139356794
GET A LOAD OF THIS SHIT POST
NIGGER STATUS: DEBUNKED

>>139356341
oh man somebody else read REAMDE? When do we get to the part where Diablo 3 is funding international terrorism?

>>139356717


>diablo
>gear based

Heaven forbid!

>>139356978
>diablo
>gear based
>RMAH gear based
Heaven forbid we sell power!

>>139356821
Hardcore=balanced, challenging competitive gameplay

What point are you trying to make? We should call casual games hardcore just because? Just to be "fair"? Nah, casual and competitive don't get close to determining the quality of a game, it is objective whether a game is competitive or not, stop pretending Hardcore is a buzzword.

>>139356027
I was talking about the original Diablo.
Diablo 2 had most, if not all of those elements.
So in a way, you could say Diablo 2 was a step forward in the hardcore department from its prequel.

>>139356289
Then why do people who have never played the first two games look up diablo 3 and buy it? God forbid they form their own opinion.

>>139357040
BUT COME ON MAN, THE GAME HAS A "HARDCORE" OPTION! WHEN YOU DIE YOU LOSE YOUR GUY. HOW COULD THAT POSSIBLY BE CASUAL?

>>139356732
Either drop rates are adjusted with chinese farmers in mind or the RMAH doesn't make any money.

If the RMAH doesn't make any money, there was no point in making it.

You really think blizzard is going to let a cash-cow like a player-run cash shop gather dust?

OP here, im just gonna get it june 7th

Do people still use LAN?

>>139357141
Nobody says this and nobody is getting trolled by it.
Why say this?

>>139356568
>pvp
Not my cup of tea
>max block
only went there on my necro, as it was easy to achieve. Then again summoners hardly get hurt anyway so it makes no fucking difference if you go vita or block.
>bowazon
So the "customization" goes like this instead
>str for gear
>ALL INTO DEX INSTEAD OF VITA LOL
same with ES sorcs (they exist? My meteorb cunt is having a blast with 2400 life)

>>139357131
D3 ads on WoW

>>139357186
You don't even know man. The other thread had someone making this exact point. I'm trying to bait someone into actually defending it.

>>139357131
>Then why do people who have never played the first two games look up diablo 3 and buy it?
Made by Blizzard.
Catering to casuals.
Ads fucking EVERYWHERE.
People who played Diablo 2 told them about it.

>Supporting a game that allows people to buy power
>hasn't move on to PoE or at least TL2.
>blizzfags and cod kids everywhere

>>139357213

People dont have to play wow either. damn /v/ is stupid. I'm gonna close this board from my browser and enjoy the game when it releases.

Have fun on your way to suicide everyone.

>>139357285
Oh wow, that's depraved that those human beings actually exist

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yo3ofKUP4k8

>>139357153

I reject the initial premise of your argument. "GOLD FARMERS OR NOTHING" isn't a fact, no matter how hard you try to push it.

>>139356732
Whats funny is if you claim money shouldn't be a priority in video game development, marketers start spewing shit bout VIDEO GAMING IS ALWAYS ABOUT MONEY WHY WOULD ANYONE DO ANYTHING IF NOT FOR MONEY

wait, the game has advertisements in it too?

haha, wow, utter fucking moneygrubbing faggotry. probably force you to connect to blizzard servers and ban you if you modify the game to not display HURR BUY WOW: CASUALFAG BABBY ISLAND YOU'RE IN OUR WORLD NOW

>>139357468
the game has ads in it? where are you getting this, source please

>>139357040
my point is youre talking out of your ass
why does a game need competitive elements to be considered hardcore?

>>139357356
>He thinks there won't be Path of Excrement item selling sites once it's released
>He thinks Porchlight 2 is any good

>>139357515

There is no fucking source because it's bullshit.

>>139356568
The VAST majority of players did it.
So ot should be:
>just because some PvP tryhards did things differently doesn't mean they should keep an archaic broken system.

>>139357560
Because thats what defines hardcore.
Define hardcore for me than.
Because you are clearly claming this isn't the definition:
>Hardcore=balanced, challenging competitive gameplay
D3 provides none of the above

>>139353557
>>139353168
Did Bastion feel outdated to you?
That game is mostly hack-and-slash

>>139354918
>Red text on black background

Oh for fuck's sake what kind of a retard seriously thinks that this is a good idea?

>>139357803
A marketer made that picture.

>>139357427
If chinese farmers didn't exist, there would be no RMAH.

Chinese farmers exist, therefor the RMAH will force the entire game to be bent around it to justify its existence.

I mean, sure, you won't HAVE to buy gear from gold farmers. You COULD farm normal mode's final boss a few hundred times to get sufficient gear so as not to be simply raped by the following difficulty's act 1, But with the gear right there, on the RMAH, why would you do that to yourself?

>>139357787
Exactly, mechanics don't get outdated, they are either bad and not properly balanced/challenging, or they are good and properly/FAIRLY challenge you.
This is known right off the bat. The way humans think is not rapidly developing, how are challening gameplay mechanics supposedly gettting "outdated" in a matter of a decade?

They aren't, you people are retarded.

/v/iral for sure, the third time i see the exact same thread

>>139352997
Because it is not like Diablo II.

It is an Activision game set in the same universe, but the game mechanics are very different.

>>139357893
I think you should go review the notes for your intro to logic classwork

>>139357153
You really have the tinfoil hat on there son. Listen, not only are you basing your entire argument over wild conjecture that there are legions of chinese farmers that will outnumber the actual players, but it's really nonsense if you think about.

Chinese sellers operate because they are often the only game in town, and it's often their way or the highway. The difference here is that they now have legitimate competition from hundreds of thousands of gamers. It doesn't matter how much hours they put in, they're simply not going to compete with those kinds of numbers.

Blizzard itself doesn't need to enforce anything because they get flat cuts. Even if the AH performs poorly, they'll still make a killing off of it. And if the microtransaction trend continues as it has for the last decade, all signs point to people buying things.

>>139357817

does it really fucking count as separate "builds" when all youre doing is changing which primary spell you spam?

HURHURHRURUH 7 BOW BUILDS

yeah no

I liked diablo 2, and if you seriously think its stat/skill system was an improvement over diablo 2 youre clearly nostalgiamad

>>139358125
Not that guy but maybe you should consider addressing some points.
Or maybe you should throw some pointless shit everywhere.

>>139358125
This isn't logic, this is economics. Huge difference.

I'm always kind of weirded out by my look back at Diablo II. I played that game for days. I have multiple necromancers, a druid, and a hammerdin at top gear and level. I've probably spent days leveling characters and perfecting gear doing dungeon runs.

I can't explain to you how satisfying the sound of money/gold hitting the floor was (even though it was largely useless) and the excitement of going through new loot. The simple pleasure I had in looking over my character roster sheets, of knowing I had min-maxed them just right.

But the game actually isn't all that fun (LOL BUZZWORD). The actual mechanics of fighting boiled down into 1-2 spells, maybe 3 at most and just hitting them in the right way to make everything die. Min-Maxing made it so that all I really wanted to accomplish was killing things with even less effort. My effort in playing the game was not to actually play it, but play it in the least engaging yet most effective way to get loot.

Diablo is a glorified loot game. I'm not sure how much has changed with III. And if that is all D3 is going to be, I'm not sure it warrants a purchase.

I think it will be worth $60 regardless of being better or worse than Diablo 2.

>>139357817
>All javas got max block. No exceptions. That covers another seven builds.
>seven
......what

what fucking seven java builds

viral

>people thinking they will make money playing diablo 3

LOL, seriously if you call 2 dollars an hour money

>>139357893
Because I enjoy games for the gameplay.

>>139358209

and there we have it, gentlemen, QE fucking D

>>139358268

This here explains the situation VERY well. Irregardless of what people say, this is the honest to GOD truth, there are VERY few builds that really deviate from this.

>>139357787
Bastion wasn't a hack and slash, fucktard. It was as much hack and slash as Baldurs Gate.

>>139358459
Bastion is a shitty babby game, stop talking about it.

>>139357709
i dont like d3
im talking about d2 and how it is pretty "hardcore," it definitely isnt casual
I would spend hours calculating builds for my characters, including stats allocation, gear, charms, sockets, gems, runes, and skill tree build (which d3 is missing a lot of). I dont see how this can be considered casual at all unless you use online guides for everything and have everything spoon fed to you.
also for it to be hardcore, you need the game to have a balanced multiplayer?

>>139358151
One chinese farmer will play more than ten casuals. They won't outnumber actual players, the chinese farmers will outplay actual players to the point where the drop rates are either adjusted with respect to them or the RMAH economy dies.

Not to mention, the >#1 preorder on amazon blurb all but confirms a huge chinese presence. As amazon is one of the few places chinese people can buy shit.

>>139357881
I thought that marketers are supposed to make people LESS angry, not MORE.

>>139358459
Baldur's Gate is a hack n slash RPG.
Whats wrong with you?

>>139358268

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuKvxab1kBk

>>139358169
>when all youre doing is changing which primary spell you spam?
When not doing so means you can't beat hell or use any of the really good gear?
Yes.

>>139357893

>Chinese farmers exist, therefor the RMAH will force the entire game to be bent around it to justify its existence.

I don't know how many more times I can say "no" to this premise. The success and longevity of the game is not going to be hinged solely on the skewed supply and demand scale of chinese farming. You claim that blizzard would be stupid to NOT do this, but that couldn't be farther from the truth. It is simply not a viable option for the long-term health of the game. If a random retard on the internet can see that, I imagine blizzard can.

>>139352997
The hate threads are because /v/ is a bunch of shitty trolling hipsters that hate any popular game.

>>139358649
>I don't know how many more times I can say "no" to this premise. The success and longevity of the game is not going to be hinged solely on the skewed supply and demand scale of chinese farming
WELCOME TO WISHFUL THINKING WHERE LOGIC NEED NOT APPLY

>>139352997
while it's not D2, it's still fun. But this is /v/ and /v/ hates fun so everyone will tell you that you should only play indie games because every AAA company is ass.

>>139358501
>I would spend hours calculating builds for my characters, including stats allocation, gear, charms, sockets, gems, runes, and skill tree build
>I dont see how this can be considered casual

you didn't need to do any of that retard, I sped through New Game and 1 NewGame+ of D2 without knowing shit about shit on the game, yet I was only ever challenged ad Dureil and the last 2 prime evils. The game is a casual shit fest, and the only reason you put so much time and effort into getting the perfect build is because you are autistic. The game is insanely easy and did not require you to spend hours calculating the greatest build, you just have not much to do with your time.

>>139355634
My laptop says it's below minimum specs, but I can run skyrim at 30fps on lowest settings.

>>139358268

That image is a piece of shit.

Don't worry about it.

All this hate for Diablo III. You know what? I loved the beta. I pre-ordered the collectors edition and I am going to enjoy the game. I played D2 from the moment it came out and I still play it. Blizzard has never let it's fans down, they will not let the fans down with D3.

>>139358834
Skyrim is built on a shit engine who cares? How about some actual games?
Fuck you and fuck your laptop you rode in on.

>>139358649
So what you're saying is, blizzard made the RMAH for no reason and the game is going to die in a few years.

>>139358706

>Easily seeing how damaging it would be to the game's popularity and company's reputation to balance the item hunt, which is the primary aspect of the game, around third party gold farmers

>wishful thinking.

Oh haters, you guys are the cutest.

>>139358863
I'm enjoying watching Noir films in my spare time? What does it have to do with anything?

Thoughts

1. Mandatory Cellphone with instant messaging if you want to convert Blizzard bucks to actual money.

A. Almost everyone has a cellphone with instant messaging now. The only people who don't are people without credit cards or stable jobs or don't wish to use a cellphone or pay for cellphone service. For these people, getting a cellphone just for Diablo 3 will cancel out any chance of profit.

2. Mandatory tie-in to Blizzards battle.net account. All your actions in game will be monitored and available to the public IF they learn your gamer tag. Blizzard has no intention of changing their policy and everything you do will be listed similar to the WoW data sites.

A. There will be no privacy if someone finds your gamer tag. They can analyze what you have been doing online.

3. If you want the real money, you pay fees to Blizzard and they transfer it to Paypal. After it is in paypal, it is between you and Paypal.

A. You are getting money from time spent playing video games. The ratio will be worse than actually working for a living and probably similar to chinese farming in terms of making money. You are the chinese farmer but get to keep a portion of money instead of a salary it will be similar to a commission based program. The harder you work in theory, the more you could get payed. But if you didn't already have a cellphone then you probably won't beat the 40+ dollars a month subscription cellphone plan.

>>139358863
nomnomnom

>>139358968
Maido are the cutest, you just have shit taste.

>>139358954

No, as I've stated a number of times, I don't ascribe to your "Gold farmers or nothing" philosophy. I am not going to pick between those two options because it is a logical fallacy to imply that they are the only two options.

D3 is just WoW with a different camera angle.

>>139358998
>A. There will be no privacy if someone finds your gamer tag. They can analyze what you have been doing online.

oh god no, someone will be able to see how good i am doing at a vidya game.

>>139358909

>Skyrim is built on a shit engine

Except it looks 1000x better than Diablo 3.

Actually I can't think of a single game made after 2006 that looks worse than Diablo 3.

Diablo 3 should run on a fucking toaster, otherwise it is a poor optimized piece of shit.

>>139358863
>2012
>still playing D2
>aka Leftclick Mobs To Collect Gear: The Video Game

explains why you would waste your time giving a post purely based on opinion

>>139358954
http://philosophy.hku.hk/think/logic/

do yourself a favor

>>139358968
>third party
That doesn't exist anymore. Item farmers are legitimate with the RMAH. Everyone is first party. The chinese become defacto employees of blizzard.

Therefor, drop rates will have to be adjusted with respect to the fact those people are going to play 20 hours a day, seven days a week. Otherwise the item hunt because equally invalid, as the best items in the game will be worthless.

>>139358998
I am of course referring to everything you sell online.

>>139359161
No I agree. I didn't make that point. I thought I was being facetious with riding laptops.

>>139359048

>>139359021
>World of Warcraft
>This guys a keeper!

>>139359227
meant for
>>139359153

>>139358863

>Blizzard has never let it's fans down

They let me down since WoW. D3 won't be different.

I want to see Blizzard burn.

>>139359287

>>139359321
if you really think Blizz is going to list what you sold on the RMAH publicly then you're completely fucking retarded.

>>139358863
Ya... My first PC game was Warcraft 2... I've been a fanatic fan ever since...
Then they released WoW...

Tell me more about how you're 15 years old

>>139359313
came to this thread to say exactly the same
>mfw

>>139359313
The funny thing about that picture is the old school gamer. From what piece of information did they draw on to conclude they are "funny"? Not to say its not true or untrue just that its a non sequitur.

>>139359181
Most shit posted on /v/ is about opinion, yet you guys still argue. What does your post contribute to this thread? Nothing. Yet you still need to comment on my post. Why did you do that?

>>139358521
>One chinese farmer will play more than ten casuals.

And that's still not enough. It seriously still isn't enough. There is so much of a greater volume of players that there are bound to be those that play as much as a single chinese farmer, and even if one of those ten casuals puts something up for auction, they would be cutting into the seller's market.

You simply have no strong argument here. It's based off of the wild guessing that the limited chinese sellers can outsell the influx of hundreds of thousands of competitors they're not used to having, in addition to the outright luck needed to sell items that have high prices and demands.

Chinese sellers always put in great amounts of hours, and operated with little competition. How do they logically thrive when they are given a tremendous amount of competition?

>Everyone is first party. The chinese become defacto employees of blizzard.

Well now that it's clear you're trolling I feel like an idiot for even bothering to debate this with you.

>>139358809
you talk shit about competitiveness but you didnt even get to pvp with your shitty hero
how can you say you like hardcore games when you dont even experience all of it. when d2 first came out i got to hell on my own with a barbarian maxed out on leap attack; of course easy mode and normal mode is easy.
no shit you can probably get through the entirety of normal and nightmare with a maxed out blaze easily.

>>139358863

>Blizzard has never let it's fans down

SC2: no lan, shitty custom games system, Battlenet 2.0 regress (at least fixes are coming with expansion).

>>139359513
I agree with him. The hawkers who were selling those items are now Blizzards' clients.

>>139359338
>>139359418
What did WoW do?

>>139359372

>>139359136
The problem is no matter how much you plug your ears, the game will be bent around the chinese item farmers or it will die. Your drop rates will be defined by the chinese playing 20hours a day and putting everything they find up on the RMAH. There is simply no alternative.

Once you legitimize those people, they define the entire structure of the game.

>>139359529
Stopped reading after the first line
>didn't take your character into imbalanced PvP

you are casual as fuck if you think that PvP in D2 was hardcore. It was meant to be imblananced and just to see how much who shits on who with what build. The fact that you think not bringing your D2 character into PvP is casual, shows me how casual of a player you are. Pathetic.

>>139359580
>expansion
Son we gotta talk

>needing validation for your decision to buy a game or not.

Are you really that much of a fucking drone?

>>139359647

>>139359617

It killed Warcraft, the MMO genre and possibly the Diablo franchise too.

>>139359529
>entire first playthrough of the game
>easy mode by default

take a class on game design then try to tell me how thats good design.
>you have to blow through our game TWICE to get to the real challenge
^that literally defines casual.
You're autistic, deal with it.

>>139359647
HONK

>can only convert RMAH money into real money with a cellphone

what bullshit is that? fuck you, blizzard, activision-blizzard also happen to own some piece of shit cellphone making company? drumming up business for AT&T or Verizon or whatever you normalfags use instead of land lines like a sane person that doesn't want to get brain cancer from mindlessly yammering on their mobile tracking device? fuck you.

>>139359617
It wasn't a bad game, at least not until the patch after Ulduar, but god DAMN did they take a massive shit on the lore.

>>139354918
>>139354918
>>139354918
>>139354918
MFW when someone is posting my OC and haters are getting ass ravaged by it.

>>139359663
how is d2 pvp imbalanced? i tore shit up with all of my characters. just cuz youre shit at the game doesnt mean its for casuals
can you name me a hardcore game?

>>139359746
>the MMO genre
How did it kill the MMO genre?

>>139359724

B... But theyre not giving us ANY customization! I want to PLACE my stat points into VITALITY, DEX AND STR. ALTHOUGH ONE OF THOSE STATS IS LIKE ALMOST COMPLETELY USELESS! ITS GOOD DESIGN! It gave me a sense of CUSTOMIZATION!

I ALSO WANT SKILL TREES BACK, I WANT TO PUT ONE LEVEL IN BASH AND LEAP AND ALL THOSE COOL SKILLS, MAYBE A BIT MORE OR SYNERGY, THEN ALL POINTS INTO WHIRLWIND!

SEE BLIZZARD, THIS IS CUSTOMIZATION, AS PROVEN BY MY SEVEN YEARS OF HARDORE EXPERIENCE IN RUNNING MF SORC MEPHISTO RUNS WITH TELEPORT AND MAPHACK ON!


Seriously, these are the arguments i have seen most of the Diablo II "fans" putting forth.

Listen here shit stains, i played Diablo II ever since its release date and i ran COUNTLESS characters to level 99 and even i see design flaws in a game where 90% of your "customization" was about building a character that OTHERS told were the optimal mathematic "BEST". Viable builds did exist, sure but optimals were always what people gunned for, so the game became nothing but a game of NUMBERS towards the end.

What blizzard has done now is EXACTLY the move i awaited them to make when developing the sequel. An environment where strategical choices, skill sets and actual PLAYER PREFERENCE means more than mandatory mathematical hoops.

>>139359746
>killed the mmo genre
>best selling mmo of all time, highest subscriber base of all time

Are you retarded?

>>139359497
Now you're simply being naive.

The chinese farmers aren't playing for fun, they're playing for their lively hood. The types of people who would play 20 hours a day for fun are a microscopic subminority of gamers that even hardcore gamers look down upon.

There is no way for white people, on average, to compete with people playing for food.

>blizzdrones using hardcore mode to argue how casual D3 is
>yfw you know none of them will actually play on had ore mode

>>139359917
>I ALSO WANT SKILL TREES BACK, I WANT TO PUT ONE LEVEL IN BASH AND LEAP AND ALL THOSE COOL SKILLS, MAYBE A BIT MORE OR SYNERGY, THEN ALL POINTS INTO WHIRLWIND!

>>139359905

>>139359803
>how is d2 pvp imbalanced?
>I tore shit up so it's clearly balanced
we're done here
enjoy being casual

okay just a couple hardcore balanced challenging games that I will name for you: Starcraft 1-2, Bloodline Champions, Dota, CS 1.6

>>139359917
Okay, look, I haven't played either game, but why the fuck do all the skills on the right use the same icon with some little medallion in the middle that changes ?

>>139359834

Besides destroying every other MMO on the market, every company now tries to make their MMO just like WoW (ie. complete shit), just like every company tries to make CoD clones.

>>139360039

>>139359917
I love that image.
>D2 only had 30 skills
>D3 has OVER 24!!!

The game is a hack and slash clone of WoW. Its full of gay flashy retarded WoW Mechanics and Physics.

It has an Auction House which we all know will fail eventually, it will have to constantly be manipulated by blizzard to keep it balanced. Auction Houses in all games are a developers greedy intentions to manipulating players to pay real money so they can take a commision.
AH's never work, theres always players who are greedy and try to get the most out of everything, and players who are lazy and price their items far below their natural AH price to make a quick buck. Both always end up throwing off the entire AH and everything gets goofed.

The worst thing ever:

>NO SKILL TREE
>NO SKILL TREE
>NO SKILL TREE
>NO SKILL TREE
>NO SKILL TREE
>NO SKILL TREE
>NO SKILL TREE
>NO SKILL TREE
>NO SKILL TREE
>NO SKILL TREE
>NO SKILL TREE
>NO SKILL TREE
>NO SKILL TREE
>NO SKILL TREE

>>139359928
Ya, I guess Call of Duty is saving the industry and innovating FPSes because of all of it's sale records right?

Why are you guys talking about Diablo 2 like it was a good game?

>>139359917
>MAPHACK ON!
>Implying I didn't have map block layouts memorized

>>139360115

Are there any actual diablo 1 + diablo 2 fans actually looking forward to diablo 3 after playing the demo?

>People believe that diablo threads, one of the most anticipated games, are marketing

>>139360307
what does that even mean?

>>139360156
This makes me think, what if they took the Call of Duty system and set it up like Diablo? Instead of unlocking guns in the multiplayer, you had to farm the singleplayer for random unique gun drops and body arrmor, and then go to multiplayer with the shit you got there.

I just think the idea is funny.

>>139360290
What the fuck do you think?

Or are you actually naive enough to believe that anyone that could possibly enjoy this game is a marketer?

>>139360276
Because it was? Why are you pretending like you know shit about games and don't simply regurgitate the opinions of every other retard on this site?

>>139357586
>Resorts to childish name-calling instantly
As expected of Diablo 3 players.

>>139360307
Except until about a month ago, the general opinion was "Yeah, this is gonna suck"

Then we suddenly have multiple threads about it on the front page every single day. Now I'm not saying some people can't be genuinely excited for this, and you can call me paranoid if you want, but it is kinda suspicious.

>>139360379

That's diablo 4

>>139360286
Well, that proves that maids>hates and everyone who think that anything is cuter than meido is stupid

>>139360406
Why do you talk about Diablo 2 like it's established fact that it was a good game? It wasn't.

You guys may have liked it. Sure, I like some shit games too. But that doesn't mean it was good.

>>139360023

You know what the logical infallacy of that image is? It doesnt really put forth the actual things that matters. The UTILITY of the skill instead of their mathematical realization.

Why jump through hoops like placing skill points, or attribute points, cause in the long run everyone WOULD gun for that ultimate Barb PvP build that WOULD have that mathemathical equilibrium where the "customization" just doesnt MATTER.

What difference does it make, if you place your skills in a tree with numbers, or placing attribute points, when both are menial, mathemathics related tasks that have NOTHING to add to depth, besides their concept of being a "customization" system.

Ive never really found anyone finding a good argument to say against this...

>>139360023
No one maxed out Bo or Bc. You had Call to arms on switch that gave you those skills. 1 point in leap one in zerk, rest in ww and syns. You're stupid and so is your image.

>>139360043
sc2 balanced? is that why theres so many more terran winners in competitions?
bloodline champions? are you fucking kidding me? a p2w game that only lets you use a couple heroes a week unless you dish out your own cash?

you might as well bring up LoL, p2w shit where everyone can just unlock the strongest hero and win everything

If TL2 was called Diablo then no one would buy it.

>>139360406
>a game where you have to play through it twice to get to the actual challenge(fun)
>a good game

pick one

>>139359973
And that's still not enough.

There are going to be several million players for Diablo 3, hundreds of thousands that use the AH. They simply cannot compete with those kinds of numbers, livelihood or not. It doesn't matter how desperate they are, they have to compete in a market filled to the brim will competition, and the market absolutely does not care how much they're starving.

The market cares about product, and when that product is also based on randomized drops, it only makes it worse for them. They can go 20 hours and pick up nothing of value, and a chucklefuck in Louisiana can go two hours and completely outsell them tenfold. Then you can take into consideration that these chucklefucks greatly outnumber the chinese...

>>139360470
>the general opinion was
Stopped reading right there

at least all the diablo 3 players will leave /v/ forever soon and never return. They will be too busy trying to make money.

I bet there will still be billions of hate threads on /v/ though.

>>139360379

I think this idea is bad, as all FPS games with unlocks.

>>139360470
You're paranoid.

The sudden influx of threads is because people who preordered the game are 1-2 days away from playing it.

>>139360604
Okay, well I'd love for you to show me how Terran is imbalanced. I have all day.
I'd also love for you to show me the OP heroes in the champion cycle for BLC.
I'd also love for you to explain how even if these games had some slight imbalances, how does this make D2 anymore balanced? It was never meant to be balanced and there was never a balance team. You're pathetic really, enjoy your "hardcore" d2 PvP.

>>139360604
>Lol p2w
>bloodline champs p2w
Are you completely stupid? The only thing in those games that you have to spend real money on is cosmetic. Also there is no "unlock the strongest hero and win everything" Part of me feels like you are trolling but honestly I just think you are truly this stupid.

>>139360550
>cause in the long run everyone WOULD gun for that ultimate Barb PvP build that WOULD have that mathemathical equilibrium where the "customization" just doesnt MATTER.
Except there were a ton of "ultimate Barb PvP" builds.
The only catch-all was the Hammerdin and that was just because Blizzard was retards at patching broken shit.

>>139360808
>I think this idea is bad

So do I, and i'm the one who thought of it.

It's fun

As a true /v/irgin, you wanna stay away from such things.

videogames sure are fun to play, aren't they you guys

>>139360709
>I bet there will still be billions of hate threads on /v/ though.

Because that's the nature of /v/. We're more entertained by seeing a hyped game fail than actually playing games we enjoy.

>>139360852
the fact that terran has been winning most of competitive sc2 gaming

the fact that new players are disadvantaged by a shit ton because they dont have the special perks unlocked or cant use specific heroes to support your own team. sound familiar? yea, because its the same shit as LoL and HoN

d2 is a shitton more balanced this those games cuz every class is viable in pvp

>>139360852
>Okay, well I'd love for you to show me how Terran is imbalanced. I have all day.
1/1/1, low need of scouting, crrently Ghosts is their overly powerful unit.

>>139360812
Paranoid is what people call you when they're trying to take advantage of you.

Pretty sure this is not a starcraft thread.

>>139360812
Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean you're wrong.

>>139361285

Are you seriously? Terran is pretty good, but ghosts took a rocket launcher to the face in the last patch.

>>139361283
>the fact that terran has been winning most of competitive sc2 gaming
0/10 try again

>the fact that new players are disadvantaged by a shit ton because they dont have the special perks unlocked or cant use specific heroes to support your own team
there are no special perks except for tiny tiny stats that don't affect the match in the end, and in the champion cycle you get a hero from every archetype of hero class. You aren't gimped at all. Try again?

>d2 is a shitton more balanced this those games cuz every class is viable in pvp
hahaha, what? I hope they are all viable, thats the fucking LEAST they can do for balance, bahahahahaha

>>139359917

>that picture comparison
>D3 GIVES YOU MORE CUSTOMIZATION! IT LETS YOU PICK SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT VERSION OF THE SAME ABILITY!
>not factoring in the potential 20 skill points you can apply to a skill in D2 that will make it 'slightly different'
>not factoring in the fact that you can use any D2 skill at any time without a cooldown for simply swapping

>>139360996
do you not think?
in a game based around TEAM play, you cant pick specific heroes that your team needs
can you tell me that a pro team with level 1 accounts can win in a match against another pro team with maxed accounts with full unlocks? no?

the only moba i consider balanced is dota

>>139361283
>the fact that terran has been winning most of competitive sc2 gaming

...... I guess the AWP in CS is imbalanced because it gets the most kills....
Nah, your logic is broken.

>>139361035

Switching around a few skill points still doesnt make the customization ANY deeper. If you would take a second to really think how runes work in D3 and how you make builds in the first place, you would realize that they brainstormed this shit for nearly the WHOLE development period.

Theyre not doing it to casualize shit, they are doing it to remove the excess "fluff" from the system. Why make attribute point systems, when all players will mostly care about stat point bonuses, armor requirements and certain "stat caps" to begin with?

Why have a skill system that revolves around skill trees, when the entire point of customization is to pick skills that your PLAYSTYLE corresponds to.

If you would make a Barbarian PvP build that focuses solely on Double Throw, everyone would tell you to GET THE FUCK OUT.

You want to make a Barbarian in D3 in the current "limitations" of the system? There is mathemathically trillions of combinations possible to experiment and focus on.

I just cant get into this mindset. Customization wasnt the strong point of DII, its strong point was its gameplay and PvP community both which had their "metagame" set ages ago. New builds just stopped appearing as the limitations of the system eventually hit a wall.

Diablo II stats were never as simple as having a default allocation that was universal. You could have found or bought a ring that gave you more of the stat that you allocated too much into and the whole build had to be redone because you could then allocate more into other stats. Also, as people have already mentioned ITT generalizing that the universal allocation is bad because its popular is nonsense; those universal builds were mostly shit compared to thought out allocations and was a good number of builds that required to do things differently in order to be tourney competitive against pros. DIII is casualized as fuck, deal with it.

Though I do not totally agree, this sums up my opinion of D3 rather well: http://www.the-ghetto.org/content/an-hour-or-two-with-the-diablo-iii-demo

And that's before mentioning the lack of LAN, the always online 1 player and other cherries on top.

>>139361565
First of all, you only arent going to have almost every single hero if you are brand new, I only played 100 matches and I had many heroes.

Also, in the champion rotation its the exact same as BLC, you get support, ranged ad, melee carry, ap mage, even a hybrid is usually thrown in.
Sorry that you are bad with ALL the heroes?

>>139355813
>School
>Its saturday
Say taht to my face an not online motherfucker

No LAN
No World PvP
No PvP
No Mods
Pay2Play
Cash Shop
Pay2Win
Online only single player

If you buy and support this you support the end of decent, fun, fair video games made for the players. You seal your own fate to a future of soulless pieces of software made with the shareholders more in mind.

YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!!!

The game is going to be good, if the beta (more like a demo) is any indication.

It's free to play.

It's going to be huge.

I'm getting it. Fuck it.

>>139361565
>Dota
>balanced
Pick one. I love dota but it is far from balanced.

Goddamn the ending is terrible.

>>139361626
i said competitive sc2 games, not pub shits

>>139361493
how do those tiny tiny stats not matter at all? if youve played dota people buy iron branches for a reason, even if they give you only +1 to stats
and whats so imbalanced about d2? like i said any class can kill any class
plus you personally havent even given me any examples of why d2 is so imbalanced in pvp

>>139361895
>bad player detected

K, point out some imbalances
>inb4 you just say some hero is OP because he shits on you all the time and you are too bad to change how you handle the situation

>>139361872
>It's free to play.
I'm sorry, come again?

>>139361872
games with mmo-style gameplay have to be free to play because no one is going to fucking pay subscriptions for that bullshit anymore.

>If you buy and support this you support the end of decent, fun, fair video games made for the players.

But this was fun. Point demolished.

>>139362113
He was essentially saying D3 is free to play.
Which is like saying Battletoads is free to play.

>>139361990
And my analogy still applies, I was talking about AWP winning more games in CS is just like Terran winning more games in SC2; it doesnt mean either are imblanced, they are just being utilized

We aren't talking about dota dumb ass, the tiny stats in BLC don't matter. Try the game out for yourself and look at the stat upgrades you can get out of match, they are fucking useless and take decades to farm.

>plus you personally havent even given me any examples of why d2 is so imbalanced in pvp
that isn't neccessary, I'm sure you'll tell yourself it's just a cop out, but I'm not going to break down game mechanics for you when it's insanely obvious the game isn't balanced for competitive play.

>>139361994
I will do better, I will link you a 7 page thread about the imbalances in the game.

http://www.playdota.com/forums/showthread.php?t=331263

I can see what you see not
Vision milky then eyes rot
When you turn they will be gone
Whispering their hidden song
Then you see what cannot be
Shadows move where light should be
Out of darkness, out of mind
Cast down into the Halls of the Blind.

I was 12 when Diablo 1 was released and I still remember this shit. I tried the D3 beta and left with nothing. Atmosphere, how does it fucking work.