>>137951990
>samus
>other m
AHAHHAHAHAHA no

>>137951990
Lara Croft

>videogames
>not sexualizing the shit out of women since the NES days
Yeah, good luck with that, pal. Your main example? Remember Justin Bailey?

Please excuse my terrible english, it is my 4th language.


Anyway, I will update my powerpoint presentation as I work on it. just give me some ideas. I am willing to film the presentation, which is tomorrow, and upload it for your view (and their reaction to it)

I made a little outline, and was wondering perhaps i could work with how homosexual/queer people have been portrayed both well (New vegaS) and poorly (Dragon age 2), but i wanted also to focus on women and how they have been portrayed fairly by the videogame media (or at least show the progress of it during the years)

>>137952201
>StrongProudwomanwhodontneednoMan.png
I'm pretty sure she badly wants Ryu's dick

>>137952201
Most of that progress is backwards. The more polygons we get the less clothes they get.

Sorry, but you're not going to find a whole hell of a lot of evidence for gender-neutral treatment of women in the gaming industry.

Fighting games have always had women on their rosters, and they're not weaker as standard.

Sheva Alomar

Samus Aran

Chell and GLaDOS from Portal, and Alyx Vance

Jade from Beyond Good and Evil

April Ryan from the Longest Journey

You could also talk about the desexualisation of Lara Croft (not that they made her less sexy, but just made her look less like a whore).

>>137952201
femshep

>>137952201

Shenmue had a gay option IIRC, never played the game so i dont know if it was tasteful or not.

And then there's always the Persona stuff, but 2 and 4 are the only entries that had openly gay characters.

//// OUTLINE: ////// :

Slide 1: cover: Gender portrayed in Videogames
Slide 2: The target audience of videogames in the beginning (males) <-- explains why there is alot of sexism int he NES days, explains Princess-rescueing, etc

Slide 3: Thesis - Gender has always been but a simple trait, just like eye color or hair color (show NES Metroid)

Slide 4: Females in videogames have been portrayed towards men, with time and as the market grew Females have been portrayed also for the entire market as well.

thats all I got so far in structure as outline

future SLide: Queers in videogames : Seen as "the funny NPC to add as adition for political correctness and evolved into being but a simple trait, just a part of personality (New Vegas: Veronica/TheDoctor)
other slide addition: Enchanted Arms.

other slide: show EA being worst company of the year, one of the factors being shoving homosexuality down people's throat and writing it poorly. this would defend people saying "EA is hated because of people being homophobes!" I would explain im gay myself and think EA sucks dick, forcing me into shitty romance options down my throat. Would link buckleys Da2 comic

Mirror's Edge is a good example.

Final Fantasy X-2 could be a double-edged sword.

>>137952126

I definitely would like to work with Lara Croft. in regards to her de-sexualisation, whoever posted that previously, I can dig that, I can show it as an example of how women's Gender has influenced less ont he character over the years to show progress.

and by the way, don't worry, the presentation is in English.

Sarah Kerrigan

>>137951990

This might fall into over-sexualization, but Bayonetta would be a good example of an aggressive female protagonist.

>>137952391

Fighting games is a double edged sword though. Many winning poses and taunts are very oversexualised. See Cammy.

I could also argue how the characters are, in gameplay terms equal and even stronger than many males (Chun li in third strike)

that would bsut the myth of "women are always half as powerful as males in videogames"

I don't want to get a bad grade though, I must be like Shakespeare, and also please the king. I'll show how there were submissive healers most of the NES RPGs and show some 90's beat em ups where chicks were the stereotypical agile but less strong. but i definitely wish to show that Nowadays videogames are everything but sexist or that sexualise women, at least in the west. Im not touching Japan otherwise Id be fucked

>>137953059


then again that wouldn't be fun at all, I can simply hide the fact of characters like cammy. The people in my class know jack shit about videogames. this is an advantage.

I honestly don't care about the grade. I simply want to show the joke of my teacher that not the entire media is sexism and chauvinist and nobody really cares if youre a guy or a girl.

If you want to be an alpha badass use an example of male sexism. Also turns this from impossible to easy.

>>137951990
>presentation
why not do it about the powerful independent women of gensokyo? You got strong independent women who need no man saving the world from darkness and evil ghosts and moon stealing rabbits and evil mountain gods and demons from hell and well, you get the idea

>>137952956

oh god. bayonetta is an amazing example of "Fuck you all, Im a slut and I dont give a fuck"

It shows that bayonetta is an empowered character which simply does as she pleases

they might say "shes just made to please men!"

I need info regardig kamiya saying "she is a mockery of that, it is a liberated character, badass for the sake of being badass"


im watching this dude's video for some insight.

>>137953406
>dat artwork

But OP, they have been oversexualized during the whole history of vidya...
Bayonetta, ninja gaiden, dead or alive rely on the main protagonist female attributes.

Even Everquest 2, old as fuck, had a big tittied blonde slut for more copies sold.

>>137953406
that's some shitty fanart you got there

>I took a class out of schedule issues called "Gender Communications"

HE FELL FOR THE FEMINIST TRAP AHAHA

Alex from Eternal Darkness, she put up with some shit that drove the majority of Lovecraft's characters insane.

Mia Fey from Ace Attorney. Was so intent on bringing criminals to justice through the legal system, she was killed for it.

If you talk about Samus, try to convienetly forget about Other M, or mention how Samus finally fell victim to sexism.

Can also do this in reverse, how Zelda got to actually help the hero down the line, rather than just be rescued, particularly in OoT, WW and Spirit Tracks.

>>137953590
>fanart
>implying its not part of the original game
>implying the creator of the game can draw hands

>>137953590
>fanart
Nigga that's straight from Embodiment of Scarlet Devil. ZUN just isn't a great artist. That Sakuya is easily one of his worst works and I can never take it seriously compared to the rest.

I'm going to just list games with good female characters because I'm tired.
Deus Ex HR
Fallout 2
Left 4 Dead
Mount & Blade
Trine
Hotel Dusk
Iji

Shiek, must definitely tap on that.


Id also like to argue how, women can be shown in bikinis (dead or alive), but men are equally as sexualised and provocatively (Dante, insert any other handsome man here)

It is supposed to have eye candy, its supposed to sell, to be appealing.


I'll touch Female Shepard as a good example that the media isn't sexist.

I want to tap Kuja too, and androgynous characters breaking and provoking the social laws saying what is and what isn't sexy

>>137953295

oh god this is brilliant. Help me here.

I think it would be great to argue that women are portrayed fairly.

But not in video games. You'd just be pulling shit out of your ass. Video games generally are aimed at less-than-gender-sensitive men with women designed to be fan service, not women.

The problem isn't necessarily that video games are 'sexist', they're just not made to accurately represent reality (usually). They're made to be escapist fantasy by men, for men. And that means hot women and strong male leads. You could point to a lot of independent games that show a decent amount of gender equality, and a few of the more "serious" big titles, but for the most part, games are not a good example.

>>137953590
these are straight out of the games. Can you find the only decent looking character out of the 36?
Hint: its not touhou's dad

>>137953775
If you are talking sexy men, don't forget Big Boss.

>>137953590
here's more fanart straight from one of the games

>>137953881
Zen cant draw more at 11

>>137953856

Gears of War, Call of Duty, Halo, Duke Nukem any other related game.

stereotypes men as violent creatures who continuously fight and kill each other.

>>137953881
Clearly the answer is Chen, she has a nice hat and her nails match her top.

>>137954108
>filename

>>137953881
the only good looking one is suika, but she's not even drawn by zun

The only correct answer is touhou's mom obviously

Beyond Good and Evil
Portal
If you want to provide a challenge put Bayonetta, she is pure satire, but that might be tough for a twilight like audience....
Speaking of twilight you can use it as an example of males being completely dominate over the ridiculously passive female character, written by female !, as she waits for her vampire men to save her, while taking no action what so ever.

>>137953881
what's wrong with the 2 unthinkable natural law portraits?

>>137954353
they're not drawn by zun

>>137953856
Devil May Cry, Duke Nukem is good too, Uncharted, especially God Of War. The list goes on OP.

>>137953947

allright, Ill say big boss, just for you anon.


allright so continuening the OUTLINE:


Slide 1: cover: Gender portrayed in Videogames
---- NEED A NICE COVER OF THE WORD "VIDEO GAMES" MADE BY /V/ ---


Slide 2: The target audience of videogames in the beginning (males) <-- explains why there is alot of sexism int he NES days, explains Princess-rescueing, etc

GAMES: Mario bros , ZELDA , need another

Slide 3: Thesis - Gender has always been but a simple trait, just like eye color or hair color (show NES Metroid)

GAMES : NES metroid, New vegas, Enchanted Arms

Slide 4: Females in videogames have been portrayed towards men, with time and as the market grew Females have been portrayed also for the entire market as well.

GAMES: Zelda Ocarina of time (zelda helps link with badass powers) , Need more games of games that have a female character that dont pander to men


Slide 5: if there is sexualization, there is sexualization of both males and females. Its supposed to have eye candy, its supposed to sell. Sexualization is there for both sexes
GAMES: need a game that gives SLIGHT sexualization to female MC, and a game that sexualizas the man (Devil may cry)

Slide 6: Androgynous characters, how the videogame industry provokes society's laws of what is and what isn't sexy and provokes the audience

GAME:(Final Fantasy 9, insert more japanese androgynous characters here )


Slide 7: Homosexuality in videogames. nonexistent, and when it began appearing, it was just a trait, just like eye colour or hair colour
GAMES: Enchanted Arms, New vegas

Slide 8: Although it can also be done poorly..... (DA2)


slide 9 : Female characters have never been weaker than Male characters.

GAME: Third Strike: chun Li
Need more slides /v/

>>137953775
Men are shown shirtless and all that shit a lot, it's true. It's more of a stereotypical male fantasy figure though than "mmmmm I'm gonna contort my body painfully, thrust out my hips, and generally just ooze sex" which a lot of the women in games are doing.

Games are definitely portraying men negatively a lot of the time, but not so much as a sexual commodity. It's more games portraying them as violent, powerful beings.

>>137953881
why do the touhou sisters have blonde hair if their dad has blue hair and their mom has white hair

>>137954328


I'll make sure to say those exact words. hell, ill put it big in one bulletpoint.

Just embrace for tomorrow''s recorded presentation

In most RPGs where you create characters, men and women have the same stats. "-4 strength" is an anomaly rather than the norm. See: Final Fantasy Tactics, Dragon Quest 4, Mass Effect, Divinity II, Morrowwind/Oblivion/Skyrim, Arcanum, Winterwinter Nights, Mount and Blade, etc., etc.

Most games that feature "cheesecake" also feature "beefcake". To claim otherwise is disingenuous. The point is to show attractive characters in general. Would you play a game full of ugly fat characters?

Plenty of female characters, including many protagonists, are portrayed without their girly bits hanging out. See earlier post for examples.

>she sees your dick

>>137954739
because the touhou mom cheated on touhou dad with the frog.

>>137954781
Cool shit OP.
Do you have a link of where we can dl it when its recorded?

>you see her dick

>>137954642

this is NOT in order by the way, Im simply brainstorming, I'll make the structure later.

slide 10: Men are always portrayed as violent bald muscly men who have to save the world

GAMES: gears of war, Call of duty, Duke nukem

slide prior to Ending : Twilight: example of males being completely dominate over the ridiculously passive female character, written by female !

>trying to argue with your professor about something they feel strongly about

Why.

The only thing that most professors/teachers want to hear is the same bullshit they spew to their students. Even if she is a bitch you're better off just sucking it up and regurgitating any and all opinions she has voiced during the course of the semester.

Or are you at that point where the chances of you passing are slim and you want to give her a final "fuck you?"

If you're going with the concept of oversexualized/masculinized males or whatever then you could just be broad and talk about the obsession that games have with the military, like CoD and Battlefield or some shit.

>>137954781
If you want more shit on twilight read this. The author types in all caps as a gimmick, but it sheds more light on the shitty shitty ongoings in the series.

http://badassdigest.com/2011/11/17/film-crit-hulk-smash-hulk-vs-twilight/

>>137954970
I personally don't see why you'll want a side note about Twilight in a presentation about video games. Just to bring your listeners back into the conversation (since it's presumably not a gamer heavy crowd)?

Chloe and Elena in Uncharted
FemShep

actually, just do the entire damn thing on FemShep, they'd go fucking nuts for it.

>>137953406
>implying those shit weeaboo games have good "art"

>>137953881
Delicious Tenshi

>>137955160
yea the twilight thing is unnecessary op, i was just pointing out the flaws in females using twilight as an example, its an awful one.

>>137954791
>>137954791


dude, if i could get some sort of survey as a source to say those exact words, I would to back me up

>Would you watch a movie with ugly characters?
>YES I WOULD OMG UR SO MEAN

>According to your wallet, you wouldn't. as you can see in this survey, most people would not pay to see an movie with an ugly character as main character

>>137955209
That's what the fans are for.

>>137953881
god tier:
The Touhou Sisters
Suppa Tenko
Chernobyl
Crowslut
China

Good tier:
Onichan
Kero kero
Flander McDonald
Teh Slut
PAD
Juanita Sanchez

shit tier:
Cirno
Remilia Scarlet
Touhou's dad

>>137955579
slut tier:
youre mom

>>137955365
pony artists draw better than touhou fans

>>137955579
Are we talking memes or Touhous here?
If it's the latter I'm inclined to agree.

>>137955626
mega cum-dumpster tier
your're mom

>>137955648
safe to say they're just ironically shitposting

>>137955674

>>137955674
ultra cumdumpster tier;
youre favoriet 2hu

butt devastated tier:
u

>>137955635
Let me know when pony "art" isn't just copy-and-paste of the shitty Flash style.

>>137955769

>>137955747
Aww.

>>137955785
>touhou fanart
>good

>Slide 1: cover: Gender portrayed in Videogames
---- NEED A NICE COVER OF THE WORD "VIDEO GAMES" MADE BY /V/ ---
>Slide 2: The target audience of videogames in the beginning (males) <-- explains why there is alot of sexism int he NES days, explains Princess-rescueing, etc
GAMES: Mario bros , ZELDA , need another
>Slide 3: Thesis - Gender has always been but a simple trait, just like eye color or hair color (show NES Metroid)
GAMES : NES metroid, New vegas, Enchanted Arms
>Slide 4: Females in videogames have been portrayed towards men, with time and as the market grew Females have been portrayed also for the entire market as well.
GAMES: Zelda Ocarina of time (zelda helps link with badass powers) , Need more games of games that have a female character that dont pander to men
>Slide 5: if there is sexualization, there is sexualization of both males and females. Its supposed to have eye candy, its supposed to sell. Sexualization is there for both sexes
GAMES: need a game that gives SLIGHT sexualization to female MC, and a game that sexualizas the man (Devil may cry)

Chell and Alex from Portal and Half Life are obvious choices.

I suppose you could say something about the Medic in TF2 maybe?

>>137955894
>MGQ
>2hu
Yes I know I've been trolled.

>Slide 6: Androgynous characters, how the videogame industry provokes society's laws of what is and what isn't sexy and provokes the audience
GAME:(Final Fantasy 9, insert more japanese androgynous characters here )
>Slide 7: Homosexuality in videogames. nonexistent, and when it began appearing, it was just a trait, just like eye colour or hair colour
GAMES: Enchanted Arms, New vegas
>Slide 8: Although it can also be done poorly..... (DA2)
>slide 9 : Female characters have never been weaker than Male characters.
GAME: Third Strike: chun Li
Need more slides /v/
>slide 10: in fact, Males are even more gendered and stereotyped than women are. Most videogame male protagonist ina ction games are designed as strong, muscly bald males that must be strong , get women, and forced to shed blood , rip and tear limbs, or die in the process.


Final slide before end: Actually, current "literature" and ebst sellers are more sexist than videogames, example twilight.

Games: Gears of war, duke nukem,.


I am asking you /v/ on help with the Game examples for each slide that says "need game here" or "insert game here"
so please help me with that.


any other final ideas for slides?

maybe a Slide for Transexuals, using paper mario, and poison.

>>137955975
>MGQ
>not ran yakumo

>>137956001


fuck my life horrible post.

but you get the gist of it.


Where can I tuck in Lara Croft, Chell, Glados, Iji, or beyond good and evil? I guess i can put Jade on Slide 3.

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why isn't this thread over? This post exemplifies exactly what feminists want. A world with no men.

Pic related

>>137956065
So what brings you to /v/?

Anything with Tim Schafer involved is a good start.

Also for bonus points mention the Arkh Project and how it's a total fucking joke.

Here is the perfect counterargument against oversexualized female characters.
Why not show that a human is a sexual being. Therefore their presentations, be it characters in any media, must be, to some degree, sexual.
Proceed to showcase desexualized women, which, you will notice, are all "bad guyettes". My favourite example is Dahlia Gillespie.
This will prove that counterarguments to sexualization are, in fact, a form of (usually self)denial or j e a l o u s y.
As per oversexualized, all characters are always overeverything.

>>137956207
>Rinnosuke
>Unzan
>implying implications

Lara Croft is an excellent example, especially if you offset her old polygon model ("lol bewbies!") to the reboot they're making

aside from that, don't use metroid, they only 'revealed' that so late into the series, it has no impact whatsoever (except maybe the "zomg nowai" reaction)

all in all i'd like to believe that, as gaming as a hobby becomes spread throughout the entire population, we'll see a lot less catering to homophobic misogynist 14 year olds.

>>137956001
I expect you may surprise some of your classmates into thinking that games aren't as "bad" as they were led to believe.

However, you can use all the examples of strong/not sexualized women in this thread but it's quite the minority in comparison to women's portrayal in games as a whole. They're the exceptions to the "rule". Either way, you might impress some folks if you handle it right.

so far I already have the structure of the presentation, I simply need Games for examples for each slide

slide 4: Beyond good and evil as a female simply being the character and not the gender.
slide 5: I need an example for this, help me /v/. need vidya women that are sexualised, but not much.
Slide 6: I need an example for this, help me /v/ . I need androgynous characters.

Honestly you'd have more luck using modern commercials that depict all women as strong independent super-geniuses and men as overgrown children who depend on women to survive

Ever since the Zero Suit Samus is nothing but a sex icon

>>137956381
On thing that might come up if any of them have a brain at all is that in some games, namely in fighting games if you touch them at all, women and men are equal for the pure sake of game balance. You can't have chun-li have less health than ryu purely because she's female, it'd completely fuck up gameplay.

Now I mean, you could complain that some female characters were useless in fighting games because their combos were underpowered and pointless, but I don't think that a developer intentionally makes females in their video games underpowered, they just suck at game balance: notably see Dead or Alive, where Hayabusa rapes everyone's face.

Anya Stroud doesn't have any less health, or is any different at all then Marcus from GoW in game at all. They're really just different character models. You don't run any faster, shoot any harder, or anything at all.

In any case, beware of that: Sometimes females are = to males in game because of balance reasons.

GOD DAMNIT OP.

THE BOSS. She wrecks shit.

I'll make a second thread where I actually begint he making of the presentation and show you each slide, I just need to plan it first, hence this thread.

I want /v/ to leave its stamp on it though, thats why i wanted someone to make a nice "VIDEO GAMES" picture i could use on the cover.


anyway, I want to include bayonetta. should i use Kamiya's bayonetta as an example of satire towards suceptible people towards gender, saying gender doesn't matter at all, or how bayonetta is a fucking badass motherfucker and she's a woman , but shes badass because the person she is and not her gender. I dont know, but i want to include the satire, just dont know how to explain it.

>>137956357
Except it's been proven time and time again that it's the older generations that have issues with gay people and gender roles.

Also the average gamer is 30.

>>137956510
It would be PERFECT since presumably everyone else in the class is doing negative depictions of women.

But OP seems to have his mind set already on the topic and games have a ton of stuff to draw from. Still, I can't stand how modern media loves to portray men as manchildren (mancave, man-etc) who are ridiculous and lord knows how they survived to that age. And for some reason men don't get pissed about it. I guess we tend to not find it offensive that media makes us look like humongous imbeciles.

>>137956357
>so late into the series

The first game was "late into the series"?

>tfw Ununoctium has more protons than any atom you will ever have near you will ever have

>>137956662
except homophobia is still prevalent among kids, no matter what generation they're from

"older generations" don't play vidya, unless it's farmville

>>137956621

I'l add the boss as an example how woman actually kick more ass than men, next to Third Strike, Chun li being Elder god Tier.

>>137956839
Well I mean, if we're going down homo-road, we might as well crack open the can of worms that is Mass Effect, Dragon Age, and Heplar.

There's so much gay, you're pretty much smothered by it. Most of us here at /v/ don't like that shit, but I kinda of have yet to hear the wider, casual reception of it.

Most of the 'edgy' teenagers roaming around on their weeaboo anime sites don't mind it at all, as to be expected from them, but I'm not sure how the 20-30 year olds have reacted.

>>137956640
Ask yourself this question: would people buy Bayonetta if it were a man with vanishing clothes made of hair? It'd have a HUGE following in the gay community, but most people would think it's fucking weird.

Bayonetta sold 90% of its copies because it was a chick.

Could you do something with Ametarasu? Though she isn't human, she is female.

>>137957009
Onechanbara sold 100% because of boobs-bikini
And, Dead or Alive Xtreme general.

O simpyl want to show videogames are not sexist at all, doesn't matter if its true or not, I just simply wish to show , at least that not ALL vidya are sexist, and at least give a big fuck you to my Overzealous feminist teacher.


I want to include bayonetta.

> she is more powerful than God and she is a woman.
>she gets her shit beaten just like any man
>she is provocative as it defies slut-shaming

will this be enough?

Help me explain why her oversexualization is a sattire.

>>137957009
But people did buy a version of Bayonetta with a male lead.

It's called Devil May Cry.

>>137957009
I didn't buy Bayonetta because I thought it was going to be what you described, but then people told me the game was actually good.
And the guy version of bayonetta is devil may cry.

>>137957130
>>137957168
Devilmaycrymind

Here's a copy/pasta
She's so hyper-sexualized that absolutely nothing she does rouses even the slightest boner out of me.

And that's not a bad thing.

In fact, I think it's one of the funniest (and most brilliant) things ever executed in gaming history. It's wicked, it's self-aware, it's campy and exciting and completely over the top. Bayonetta strikes needlessly suggestive poses all the time; she's such a sensually powerful entity that she kills masculine figures regularly with erotic dance. Sexual torture, guns for high-heels, lollipop consumables; the only think Bayonetta misses is an explicit reference to vagina dentata (though I'd suppose that's what her dragon transformation is meant to represent). The plot revolves around deconstructing a stodgy old religious institution with the power of her witchery, her feminine power. For fuck's sake, Jeanne rides a rumbling monstrosity of a motorbike (which are often interpreted as symbols of masculinity) along the shaft of a giant penis into space.

It's an absolutely perfect parody of modern action games, where the dominant manly man does manly things and ANGST, the end. No pretensions, no reservations, just pure, unabashed satire. It's the fucking Evil Dead of vidya. And that's not even touching the excellent gameplay.

I decided to add Slide 11: Transexuals in videogames

I will post Vivian, poison, and how they both cover both sides of the specturm (cute and frail, and on the other side tough and sexy) and both are beloved by the fans, how one is in MARIO BROS, a game for children.

Ill also include birdo i guess.

>>137957106
Pull up some quotes from Cliff Bleszinski's comments about putting in females into the franchise. He was pretty explicit about not making them oversexual ingame.

Knowing the feminist, they'll scream about how she has her half naked skins for the game, but of course, you can retort with how extreme the... I mean, it's fucking Gears of War, not even a WWE superstar looks like those guys.

>>137957306
I'd suggest calling the slide "Transgenders in video games" otherwise you might rile up some of your classmates with the term "transexual". It's a fitting word, yeah, but is falling out of favor. Just a heads up.

>>137957106
She's designed to be a sex goddess to appeal to the male audience. The instant you show a screenshot or gameplay clip, you'll get an instant F.

For fuck's sake, use Metal Gear Solid 3 as an example. The Boss was THE greatest soldier on the planet and she wasn't sexualized at all like Bayonetta was.

Bring up the gay themes present in the MGS series and how the series as a whole puts women in combat situations alongside men and enjoy your fucking A. If you use Bayonetta, you're failing the class you goddamn dipshit.

>>137957306
You could also include Flea from Chrono Trigger.

And isn't one of the characters from Nier a trap? (Haven't played the game, not entirely sure.)

>discovers time travel
>fixes robots
>saves the world

>>137957443
No you fucking idiot, its satire. But if his teacher is as bad as he says she is, then he should have a really good fucking argument for it. Use Bayonetta only if you can pull it off, otherwise leave her alone.

thank you guys, you've all been a great help

I'll definitely dedicate a slide to bayonetta, that covers how post-modern the video game industry is (or Im attempting to make them perceive)

I am covered with transexuals with Poison and Vivian.

I think im good to go with the planning.

What should I do for conclusion?


in the video game indsutry, the most important thing is the gameplay, and that the game gives a core and fun game, and hopefully as a bonus a great story, soundtrack, and experience. the genderof characters is simply just another trait for them to add to the different unique characters and limitless creativity that the videogame world can concoct.

Will that nihilistic touch in the end will suffice? want to give them a feel that the gender doesn't matter.

>>137956357

It's funny because I could be considered homophobic and a misogynist aswell.

Do you have any idea where you are?

>>137957451
In Nier, Kaine is a hermaphrodite or so. That's not a trap specifically but someone born with both reproductive organs. If Kaine is a trap then she is a trap for both genders :(. Still could be squeezed in but why would OP want to use Kaine? She's a smart and kickass character but hugely sexualized.

>>137957531
Ayla and Queen Zeal would also be good examples. Chrono Trigger has a lot of strong female characters actually.

>>137957443

i-i might have to go the easy route and use the boss.

You bring me down to earth, Anon. she is as bad as you could imagine. I am quite scared , despite pulling it off, that she will be close minded.

I may have to just use the boss, and also show the gay content.

Ill do bayonettas slide as well as the bosses. ill show them both.

>>137957610
Poison is hugely sexualized and actually a stereotype of trans women in that they are all sex workers. I am not sure you'll be doing yourself any favors by using her.

Birdo however would be fun and might entertain some of your classmates! Why not go with Birdo and Vivian?

>>137957610
>that covers how post-modern the video game industry is
>post-modern
NEVER
SAY
THAT
WORD
AGAIN

>>137953775

I want to tap Kuja too.

So damn hard.

>>137951990

Talk about Duke Nukem OP, about how it is a a parody of all the buff male characters(Ego bar instead of health) etc.

Also there's plenty of blogs and other places like gaygamer.net where you can look.

>>137957443

Im coming out to the entire class telling Im gay by the way, jus tos they cannot rebuke saying I loved bayonetta because of tits.

I will say the following:

>I fucking loved bayonetta, shes incredibly awesome. I loved the game entirely, because it is a satire of every single Action game based on male main characters.
It's wicked, self aware, realizes its being oversexualizing and doesnt care, to the point its not sexy anymore, its a joke made on purpose to make fun of the sexualization made towards men in videogames. I loved bayonetta entirely by the way, i think shes awesome, not because of her titties, but because of the incredibly strong person and badass she is.

Which is funny, because i love the game so much because of its incredible gameplay, and not because of the eye-candy.

>No Alicia from Valkyria Chronicles

Come on gusy xd

>>137956381
>Im coming out to the entire class telling Im gay by the way

Wait, ARE you gay or is this just part of your whole elaborate joke?

>>137955914

Saints Row 3, perhaps? It's a fairly new game, so they are more likely to know about it than the earlier games. It contains both sexual characters(strippers) and powerful female lead-characters, the MC and Shaundi. Contains sexualization of both genders (when you create your MC, you can increase the breasts a lot and increase the size of your bulge a lot). Most male characters do not fit the norm of having to be "very muscular super-heroes that row row fight da powah".

>>137958052

>Im coming out to the entire class telling Im gay by the way, jus tos they cannot rebuke saying I loved bayonetta because of tits.

Wait, what? You're gay?

as a last touch, after bayonetta, i will talk about duke nukem, and how it is the same expect with males, just to show them how both are a satire of the stereotype.

>>137956279

OP, please do this. This makes perfect sense, your teachers can't hardly discredit human behaviour.

>>137957443
Isn't Volgin bisexual? I'm sure that could be brought up somewhere.

I covered

>gays
>Traps
>androgynous characters
>Women

I think im good to go. Time to start

>>137958578
No really, are you gay?

im not gay, Im simply going to lie and come out during the presentation

I dont give two fucks what some random people think, this is the end of the semester anyway. won't see most of them again.


anyway, Ill definitely touch Voljin for bisexuality in videogames.


Bayonetta is gonna be hard to explain, but I think I got it.

I need some help with androgynous characters.

I got kuja, shiek, but i need more.

>>137958486

I already saved that argument. Im definitely using it bro.

>>137958759
Is your project tomorrow? If it isn't you should say you're gay earlier so that people won't suspect that you're just saying it so they can't accuse you of anything.

Could use Midna from Zelda Twilight Princess OP, how she symbolises a change from a Nintendo IP having what is usually a typically damsel-in-distress female only title to one where a key character is a woman who actually does things in the adventure.

>>137958759

I wouldn't do that, friend. If those girls in your class really are twifags, they'll just cuddle up to you and want to be their friend simply because you're gay. That's how they work.

Should i show how you couldn't in the beginning be a girl or a boy in pokemon gen 1, and then you could become a Girl next generation?

sengoku rance

>>137958935
Girls in Pokemon games have less clothes each generation.

However, Pokemon themselves have genders which really don't impact their abilities. But at that point you're grasping at straws.

>>137951990
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portrayal_of_women_in_video_games
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Female_video_game_characters
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_female_video_game_characters_by_role

Not surprisingly, most women in video games are involved in the business if FIGHTAN THE BAD DUDES.

People think it's sexist that women in video games look really really sexy.
Because it makes people expect women to be super hot ultra attractive babes, and apparently when people expect you to be sexy, that's discriminating against you somehow (wat?).

The real reason?
They super duper jelly that men devote more fappan time to video game characters than real women, so real women can no longer extort us for shit via offers of sex.
They also super duper butthurt and will throw craptons of insults at anyone who would rather fap to vidya than put up with real women's bs.
"Sexist" is just another word for "I want men to give me lots of free stuff and do everything for me, but they're not doing that and I'm upset *pout*"

In video games?
90% of the time it's hot babes and powerful dudes kicking ass. That's gender neutral.

>>137958759
Go with Bridget from Guilty Gear (pic related). His backstory explains that he was born a male, but his parents wanted a female so badly, they raised him as a female.

how about this argument when they say X game is sexualised?

How about those Barbie GBA games, are they sexist saying women can only play those games?

No, Matel PAYS developers and forces them, in exchange of money, to make these games. the developerts or video game creators dont really have a choice but to work for what theyre asking them. the products are aimed for the Barbie Audience anyway. it is no different than asking me if barbies are sexist.


i rather ignore games like the barbie GBA games completely and not talk about it.


I am going to add a slide exclusively for MGS snake eater, with the boss and the bisexual character

>>137959053
>hot women in video games
sexist
>ugly women in video games
sexist
>average women in video games
sexist

>>137959108
>>137959108


oh shit. bridget. thanks bro, thats awesome. completely forgot about him.

>>137952201
It's impossible to portray women fairly because Strong women will get bitched at for stealing the men (Unrealistic expectations enforcing gender norms herp de lerp), and Weak women get bitched at for portraying women as weak.

Portray a woman as being a good person without needing to look sexy first, i.e. deliberately making your protagonist look normal?
Aw crap your protagonist suddenly has the vulnerabilities and emotional flaws of a real human being, and that's depicting women as weak.
(Never mind that in half the games they overcome that fucking weakness)

You won't be able to depict women fairly in video games, until feminists can agree on what the fuck a woman -is- and what the fuck a woman -should be-.
And until that time? BRING ON GREAT BIG WEAPONS AND GREAT BIG TITTIES.

>>137953231
Poor methodology. If females in video games are depicted with sexy poses, include that in statement.
Omitting facts because they don't support your thesis is not how you thesis.

>>137959662

I never said i would hide it. I simply stated i could as a possible option.

Of course ill show women showing sexy poses, but i rather show the model in its most common position (idle/fighting stance during interface/etc)

>>137958994

i'll be objective, and mention in slide 2 how videogames were meant for me (Gen 1) and how the market increased in size, and how it expanded, as well as evolving socially (gen 2 you can be a little girl if you want/are)

>>137953856

Oh shit, I'm sorry, I didn't notice the reference to me. Bioware games are solid for this kind of stuff, men are sex fiends with perfect abs or effete as fuck.

>>137954328
>Speaking of twilight you can use it as an example of males being completely dominate over the ridiculously passive female character
What are you talking about? Midna OWNS Wolf Link. Utterly OWNS him.

Bring up how men are also portrayed overly sexually.

>>137959858


saying how pokemon have sex now, and are either male or female, is there to expand the gameplay, and allow players to breed pokemon to gain access to baby pokemon. however the gender of the pokemon has no effect on gameplay, besides an ability named charm.

>>137959890

I'll be sure to mention twilight princess in that last slide, as a little joke, just to show videogames' spectrum is way wider than crap like twilight, actually showing not only dominating men but also dominating women.

>>137959878
It would also tie up well with your ethic of equality to show that female writers objectify as much as males when given the chance.

Don't forget to mention Alyx Vance and Chell (maybe even GLaDOS)
The female characters would also be good examples, especially Maria from Silent Hill 2.

>>137951990
Op dont forget to point out how while The Boss is shown as a badass war hero she is, she still retains her identity as a woman due to the whole mother-business

But women have been portrayed in a sexist manner within this industry, why do you think everyone hates us for liking videogames? Samus is a fucking terribad example and you clearly are a chauvinist if you can't see how women are discriminated against within this form of media. Are you legit brain stupid or just trying to prove a point? What you should do about, if you're going for Samus, is how her character has become less interesting since they have started throwing her out in the zero suit constantly and how she was a more interesting character when her gender was ambiguous, how the trend with sexism has actually got worse within this form of media. At least then you won't totally fucking embarrass yourself.

>>137960085

Ill mention Mass effect 3 and Da2 as example of poor homosexual writing in the media. ill also show the class this is a factor why EA is the worst company of the year.

ill also say Im gay and i found Da2 a forced spoonfeed of homosexuality down my throat that i didn't even wanted. I rather have a well written straight romance than forced McDonald of political correctness. if youre going to do it, do it right: show New vegas.
I simply need help shoving Alyx , chell and glados in the slides. where should i put them? as examples of strong woman of different colors and forms?

>>137960196

She is the only solid feminine hero I know. All others either try to be men or exist as fap material. The Boss is a truly a strong black woman who don't need no man.

>>137960196
Oh, and this is IMFUCKINGPORTANT.
Take censorship in later versions, where she does not appear half naked in the boss fight, as an example how that is sexist in that it DENIES her the fact that she is a woman AND a mother.
Doesnt matter that its because durr no tittays on my 3DS. Just go full retard.

Why not go to Something Awful Forums (tm)?

http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3403990

>>137960386
Heather Mason from Silent Hill 3 was written very well to be a normal heroine thrown into a dire situation and coping with the hell around her.

>>137960487
>dem dick sucking lips

>>137960279


im not denying theres sexism in the video game industry. Theres sexism in every type of media, for both genders.
im simply trying to prove that women are not the only victims of sexism, and that Sexism in videogames is not as bad as they may think it is, and I can show you actually that many things about it are actually quite advanced.

like androgynous characters
like traps
like many women being as awesome as many men characters

I just want to , you could say, damage control. But I strongly believe the video game industry as a media is way less sexist than shit like Twilight or the Tv.

I fail to grasp how i will embarass myself. Im not denying there is sexism. but there is sexism everywhere. Im simply trying to show the side of videogames that is actually pretty awesome and doesnt give a fuck about gender.

>>137960487
Does he have a belly button on his back?

OH SHIT i forgot about black people.

i guess i should mention that i dont consider black people a minority, i consider them as normal as white people.

then show one slide showing the endless amount of black MCs

>>137960563
You type like a clown and you're unable to support your beliefs. You're going to write a juvenile paper about how "there's sexism on both sides of videogames", without really understanding any element aside the fact that there are opposing views. You probably won't be embarassed, but everyone involved is going to feel bad for you.

> Im simply trying to show the side of videogames that is actually pretty awesome and doesnt give a fuck about gender.
That's cool. Other people are interested in talking about things that are real.

>>137960480


thanks bro. im definitely speaking on the boss

No playable character would work because the teacher, if she is the kind of feminist you describe, would just use the argument that playable female characters show how a man seeks control over the female and a male player in control over a female perpetuates the patriarchy system.

What you need are good examples of female NPCs, strong and vocal that have distinct personalities, who don't rely on looks in order to characterize them and rather their talent and abilities. Some good examples would be The Boss from MGS series, Tenenbaum from Bioshock, Cortana from Halo, and other shit

I've dated some feminists in my day so I kind of have an idea of the mentality they have when discussing patriarchal systems

>>137959108
I thought his backstory was quite a bit darker than that. Something to do with killing a male child? I don't know, I don't play Guilty Gear.

>>137960703

Please excuse me, english is not my first language.


>That's cool. Other people are interested in talking about things that are real.


Now you're just being a faggot.


How am I not able to support my beliefs if I just planned an entire presentation of examples of how videogames are not sexist.

did you forget that nobody in that room knows jack shit about videogames?

How about games like Time Nikki or Daemonophobia?
While being highly disturbing, these games almost always have girl protagonist. As if women suffering can get a lot more affection that men's.

>>137960856


dude, that's a great point. Thanks. I'll make a slide specifying examples such as Allyx, saying not all Female characters are Controlled by the player, and how theyre awesome because of their personality and not Body.

Alma. She's a spooky ghost who don't need no supersoldier.

>>137960903
But they know things about feminist criticism of media. It's an art form at this point. Walking in there well-armed with videogame knowledge and ignorant about criticism is going to get you slaughtered, with a bad grade to boot. The vast majority of media have male dominance in both production and content. Citing one well-written female character (who, by the way, arguably allowed her mission to be defined by the men around her) and fucking Samus is going to get you dismembered.

This is sounding pretty cool OP. Any chance you have a YouTube channel to subscribe to so as not to miss the presentation?

OP, please contain your Asperger's. You're already "that guy." Just do your report on a book or movie like everybody else.

>>137961102

the teacher is the only overzeleaous, experienced feminist.

The rest of the class is either like me, one flamboyant gay guy, and the rest are 18 year old girls that can't count to 20 before getting bored, with no attention span at all and dumb as fuck if i may say

>>137960038
>an entire medium is broader in scope than a single book series

I'm already embarrassed for you, OP. Please post your report on Youtube.

>>137961245

I'm keeping it pretty subtle by the way, Im not going in flailing "VIDEO GAMES ARE NOT SEXIST"

I'm going in objectively, showing that there is sexism, but also not sexism.

the presentation is very simple, honestly, thats all i have to do. Im simply trying to show it with my belief as conclusion and a little bit biased.

>>137961245
That's right goy, don't try to be different, follow the herd like a good little sheep.

>>137961341

unlike the stereotype created by /v/ I'm not an asspie neckbeard. I'm not as foolish as to preach against a crowd that i won't please. I'm keeping it real, even if it goes against my thesis. hence it may end up a little of damage control instead of winning, but i can be charismatic and subtle, and make it seem as if "hey, you know, thats pretty cool, i didnt know trannies were that shown in vidya, i guess videogames arent that bad"

>>137961292
So let me get this right. You're not only going to walk in with a poorly considered, 4chan-derived presentation that completely ignores the academic content of the class, you're going to try and win over the airheads with your videogame knowledge? This is the most autistic thing I've heard all month. Fantastic.

>>137961597

>Academic content

You're overestimating the class. The class is a 100 level Dialogue. It's very simple, casual, and not really serious of a business.

This is why i strongly believe i can pull it off. it's simply a show what you found about sexism in the media you chose.

Im keeping it objective, but a bit steered to the side of my belief.

I am not denying there is sexism, dude. I'm not that retarded.

>>137961382
>Not all video games are sexist. Look, there's this video game about a woman who acts exactly like a man! She has a gun for an arm and beats up pirates! Feminism!

Yeah dude, no. You're gonna get eaten alive.

>>137951990

Alyx from Half Life 2 comes to mind, she even has the "lyberation y" in her name that "womyn" love

FemShep from Mass effect, if I were you I'd use some footage of her being more Ruthless then Compassionate.

Chell from portal, and Samus from metroid are silent, so they might be poor choices. Then again, you could point out the "silent protagonist" is a traditional way helping player's see themselves as the protagonist, step into someone else's (pro feminazi) shoes

Fable 3's princess might be worth looking into.

Pokemon is pretty popular with girls too, might be useful in showing female protags, in non violent situations.

The Sorceress of The Witcher 2 would be tough, but (in a lulzy way) worth bringing up. Strong confident, independent womyn who are trying to restore order and peace in kingdoms where -men- have brought only rape, violence and discord.

>Gender Communications

Are you attending a jew school OP?

>>137961881 FemShep
Are you LITERALLY retarded?

FemShep isn't a female character, she's a male character with a female skin. The fact that people call her "FemShep"... How do you not... Ugh!

Gordon Freeman is the mute beta while the chick is the Alpha.

Look feminism at work.

>>137961881
>Alyx

you'd think so, but no. If anything, Alyx is a pointless fanservice treat with no personality

>>137961969

But making a woman a woman is sexist.

REMEMBER OP

THAT DYKE OF OF A FEMINIST IS ALWAYS A TURN AHEAD OF YOU

PLAN 2 TURNS AHEAD

>>137962112
Making a woman weak and submissive is sexist.

Making a strong dominant male character and then slapping a female skin on as an afterthought is just insulting.

>, the very stereotype of the overzeleaous feminist who hates males

Liberals won't change op.
Natural born evil.

>>137961969
ok, how is Fem..i'm sorry

How is Fymshep a man with a female skin? As you imply "not a true womyn"

>true woman dont go to war
I know many great woman who are members of the armed services and have seen combat, they choose to go to war in a mans military

>Her dialog is written poorly
All bioware dialog is shitty, but that doesnt make her less of a woman

>You are a retard
and I love ad hominem

>>137962180

That is why I won't have humans in my video game.

Extremists are hard to please.

>>137961969

butthurt Woman detected

>>137956301
They transcend reality through sheer manliness and thus do not exist on a physical plane of existance.

>>137962634
thats WOMYN you pig

>>137962264
Men and women have different walks, different body language. In the game, the male and female characters both have the same (male) gait and body language. Their dialogue is almost completely identical. Yeah there's some dialogue exclusive to both characters (the romance stuff), but don't try to pretend the majority of the storyline dialogue wasn't written with a male speaker in mind.

Hey, you wanna know what game did it right? This. Completely different dialogue for both characters.

>>137961881


i'll explain what silent protagonists are, which will then lead explaining how we can BE the character so we can be samus (be a woman)

The target audience in vidya gaems are males. Women are portrayed as submissive and weak as well as strong and dominant protagonists. This could possibly reflect changing views of gender stereotypes and roles in youth culture.

>>137962634
I'm not trying to be mean, and it's not my intention to come off as preachy or militant... you asked. I'm only telling you this stuff because if you don't hear it from me, you'll hear it from them.

Make this picture the cover of your presentation OP.

>>137962293
Calling me "extremist" for wanting distinctly different playable characters is like calling people "entitled" for wanting endings that aren't just recolored explosions.

>>137962759
No

Probably beenentilnrd somewhere in tr thread, but im on a phone so u can't ctrl+f.

In Mirror's Edge, not only is the lead a female of the strong and independent variety (and the not overly sexualised variety), but the only other rubber you see for more than 2 seconds is also a woman, and the huge strong burly male character is the support character, always on the radio.

>>137963145

There is no money for that.

Not in a Triple A "rpg" game.

>>137962840


except they don't know jack shit about videogames


here's the flow of the presentation so you have an idea


A) sup, theres sexism, like in any other media, in videogames. but its not as bad as you think, as I did my research, let me show you how the idustry has progressed towards equality over the years

B) Show videogames were meant to be made for a male straight audience. show Gen I pokemon, Mario rescues princess, etc.

C) over the years, as the market of the industry increased, so did the fanbase and users. Women also play videogames, as well as gay people and men wanting to be women.

D) Videogames too have evolved and show to please to everybody.


E) please remember, the videogame industry is an industry, made to make money, just like any form of media. however in videogames we have the ability to go beyond reality, going beyond the human body or our gender.

F) Videogame developers, theoretically , focus on the gameplay, the core of it, while the story, music, characters and graphics are the Tomato and seasonings added to it to its side. When they create a game, they focus on that , giving little importance to things such as the gender of the character, making it just but a trait of the character

G) Show video game progress in the media, show Gen II, Show Samus, Explain silent protagonists.

H) show what NPCs are, women are also NPCs, show Allyx, show big boss

cont.

I) show many examples of women in videogames and the different types of women from robots like Glados to transexuals

J) show Androgynous people and trannies in vidya and how they actually are in the media and part of the game

K) show gay characters, show poor examples (Me3) as well

Show bayonetta, as a satire to manly men saving the world , i can throw fighitng slut shaming too

Show Duke nukem as the same as bayonetta but for males

Show sexism against men
thats my presentation.

Ill show Me3 femshep as examples of a present example of strong woman, and big boss whenevr snake eater was made that it wasnt that late in time that women were already fully presented. i will also mention how they censored their titties and how THAT is sexist
i will do a final slide showing how people should be more concerned about shit like Twilight and show how the woman is the passive one written by a female herself and how its a best seller to females themselves.
I will also mention how women are not discriminated in gameplay and they are actually top tier (chun li 3rd strike as example)

i forgot to mention Female Villains,


I have my argument against "but those characters are sexualised!" from a nice anon who posted here

I think thats the only one i'll be attacked with.

>>137963584

Just say that overspecialization is considered corruption that shows that we are dealing with evils here.

>>137963584

I think i did enough planning, im going to start this shit.

thanks for the cover bro, I'm using that pic as the font for videogames.

Rochelle from L4D2. She's just... there. Like the other 3 protagonists. She's a woman, but it doesn't matter. She is equally capable as the men, no more, no less. Her womanness isn't played up or played down. She is the epitome of equality. She's boringly the same as her male buddies.

And isn't that what feminists say they want? To be treated like people, not walking representations of their gender? To fit in without being singled out for what's between their legs?

It's what they say anyway. But don't believe it.

Also, she's black, which is a bonus, because feminists are also very anti-racist.

FFTA...You have Ritz struggling with her identity and obsessed with her hair discoloration. She works to uphold Mewts "final" fantasy because, in that world, she is the boss, she is fearless, can do what she wants, and doesnt need to endure childish bulling at school. She confesses that her and her mother cry every time they dye her hair red.

However, her (female) companions find her enigmatic. Her hair, permanently white, is considered a blessing in their culture. Ritz comes to accept that, appearances mean different things to different people, and an individual is not defined by how they look. She eventually wants to leave the fantasy, because she feels she is strong enough to accept her life for what it is.

When she emerges, she refuses to dye her hair, and instead of being ashamed of her appearance, embraces it proudly. She is free from her insecurity, and becomes someone who the school bullies can not exert control over.

>>137957610
>post-modern

God dammit you dont know what you're fucking talking about.

If you are talking purely about the age of the arts that has followed the modern "period" then fine, just say something different.

Post modernism has jack shit to do with feminism, and infinitely more to do with the meta narrative.

yes i mad

Alice was a crazy Industrial age not-sexed up wrecking machine. Only skin you see on her is her arms and face.

Small tits.

Bloomers.

Articulate

>>137958759

Don't do it. Don't lie about your sexuality, it's unnecessary, and will detract from your presentation.

>>137963314
She's a female version of a male character. You can make excuses for it, but that doesn't change what it is. I won't call Mass Effect "sexist," that'd just be crass. But if you try to hold FemShep up as some kind of feminist icon, in a class with a feminist teacher, you'll just be giving fuel to someone who has already decided she doesn't like you, who wants to make you look stupid.

>>137963952
>Don't do it. Don't lie about your sexuality, it's unnecessary, and will detract from your presentation.
Shhh, we may get to watch this later.

>>137963996

I don't give a damn about feminism.
I just say that applying a different body language and conversation tree is too much.

Maybe the tech will get better in a few years so we will have digital actors instead of scripted stuff.

Donkey Kong Country 2 has sexism!

>>137964338

But they don't even have a gun.

>>137963952

how is it a big deal again?

It's not like it is. Its just a person's sexuality.

>shh we might see this later teehee XD hes gonna say he's gay!!!


Are you twelve?

>>137964308 I don't give a damn about feminism
Well that's the topic of the thread, you moron.

>>137964338

that's an awesome picture dude, Im using it.

>>137963996

she's a female version of a male character? really? Last thing i knew the player is the one who chooses shepard's gender.

>>137964552
I don't think he wants to see you say you're gay, he wants to see the spaghetti moment that follows it.

"You're just saying that so no one can call you sexist!"
"Just because you're gay doesn't mean you understand feminist theory!"
etc.

Seriously, do post videos. After a thread this long, we deserve a followup.

I'm done giving advice, I wish you luck. Just remember feminism's number one rule: As a straight male, anything you say is automatically wrong. Cheers!

>>137964552
>shh we might see this later teehee XD hes gonna say he's gay!!!
Can you really blame anyone for wanting to see you trainwreck as much as possible?

>>137963996
>Feminist Icon

Two words combined that can't make sense

Shepard isnt their icon and hero, she is an example of a female character, in a video game, who must be both ruthless, and compassionate.

Most female characters, in any form of art, will fall under either ruthless or compassionate. This means they are typically "bitches" or "submissive". It's gotten so bad, that people will refer to "bitch" as a compliment and statement of identity. If a "bitch" shows some heart, it's because she has seen the "error of her ways", if a "submissive" shows some spine, she is "fed up with everything". Most books, tv shows, movies, music, and games adhere to this stereotype; so much so, that one could predict a story line in moments after initial consumption of media.

>Bitch compliment

two more words together, that will never make sense.

Yet, shepard walks the line between both. She must be both caring and bold, yin and yang, man and woman, savior and destroyer. Thats the whole concept of Shepard, no matter what gender you choose.

>>137964607

I'm defending the game.
Even if it is the product of a bad company.

You can see that we have technical limitations as well as baaad writing that makes a great female char hard to get.

>>137964731

>as a straight male everything you say is wrong


that is exactly why I'm removing their shields by saying i'm gay.

>>137964552

It will distract people from the presentation, and word will get around, as it is a big deal for most normalfags. There is no reason to do it. Bioware's terrible writing and shoehorned gay characters, not to mention retconning Ashley's gender are obvious enough on their own.

>>137964691
Two words: Body language.

inability to understand body language is a common feature of autism

>>137964827

i'm willing to sacrifice myself for the sake of fighting the insipid poison that is Radical feminism.

Why the fuck do you even talk about FemShep here? He might as well use a female MC from Fallout.

>>137964894

Are you implying women MUST have feminine body language and men MUST have masculine body language ?


now that's pretty sexist

>>137964820

Doesn't work that way. That's like saying I'm a woman, so I can't be sexist.

>>137964827


allright anon. I'll only use it as a trump card.

Hopefully I won't need to, but I am willing to do so.

Why don't you suggest that everyone just get over this time wasting bullshit and instead suggest we work together to explore space as one?

>>137965000

I can use Femshep and even show her in motion. the teacher will love seeing a female being masculine in atriple A game.

even though it is only the consequence of bioware being lazy as fuck.

>>137964820

It doesnt work like that.
Feminists hate straight men.

But they hate gay men even more, because the 'you must have a small dick and no woman will sleep with you!' defense of theirs wont work at all.

>>137965046
Or saying I'm black, so I can't be racist.

>>137965128

just for you, that will be my ending slide.

>>137965225


i am willing to show them my dick. it is 19cm, don't know how much that is in Inches, but i believe its big.


or at least offer them pictures if they wish to know my penis size.

>Gender equality in video games.

I can barely name 5 that have a competent female in them, let alone as a main character.

I would just go the easy way and do anime. There are many more examples where the female is also not a complete marysue

>>137965256
If you did that,you'd be my hero

>>137965335
Fool, focus only on the practical, leave out all the rest.

>>137965335

Dont go full retard, now.
Never go full retard.


Either way, only bring up the gay thing if they start haranguing you because OMG YOU LIKE WOMEN THEREFORE YOU HATE WOMEN.


Only then bring up the mad homogay.
If they ask you to prove it, then you can call them homophobes because you dont need to prove shit to them because its besides the point.

>>137964820
So you CONVENIENTLY reveal that you're gay right when it'll work in your favor. That's not suspicious!

You're not as clever as you think you are.

>>137965335
Okay, now it's getting retarded...

>>137965042
Um, body language isn't something you just decide to have. Do you consciously swing your arms when you walk? I bet you do, autist.

Just got in and skimmed the thread. Has anyone mentioned Gears, particularly 3, as a potential show of equality? The women are all oversexualised, but so are the men. Sam Byrne and Anya are both shown as strong independent women who dont need no man to help them into chainsaw.

>>137965583 The women are all oversexualised, but so are the men
THIS THREAD, I SWEAR

It's times like these I wish I still had my male privilege bingo board.

>>137965404


thanks to this thread i got 15+ females dude


iji
Shiek
Allyx
Glados
Bayonetta
Lara Croft
Samus pre other M
Jade from beyond good and evil
sheva
april ryan
Tenembaum
Left 4 dead 2 Rochelle

off the top of my head.

Last Slide:

"I would like to suggest we could get over this nonsense, and go work together to explore space as one"

and a picture of sanic hadghehog "we must embrace pain and burn as fuel for our journey" Picture as background

>>137965696
By the way, what about Jill Valentine and Lenneth Valkyre?

>>137965583
Women generally do like muscle but that kind of muscle is over exaggerated and unnattractive to most.

I would not call GoW men "sexualised" by any means. Roid ragers aren't considered sexy in the outside world.

A better example of "over sexualised" would be Nathan Drake. He has the perfect amount of muscle, and an attractive face.

>>137965696
>and a picture of sanic hadghehog "we must embrace pain and burn as fuel for our journey" Picture as background
enjoy your no marks

>>137965664
you're sounding pretty entitled there.

>>137965765

>lenneth

aw shit son, thats a perfect example of strong, female leader lead that mantains being feminine yet masculine duality.

I-I don't think jill would be a good example, at least not post Re5.

>>137965790

without the words and the sanic picture of course, just the stars as the background.

>>137965696
Lara croft is a prime example of oversexualization in video games. She's widely known for ass and tits. Take her off the list, not everyone knows about the new design. Bayonetta is also hyper sexualised as a joke, but still. Take her off too.

Alyx is a secondary character, you will want to stick to main characters for this one.

>>137965920
enjoy your greatest presentation

Will it be on youtube tomorrow?

>>137965696

>no Faith from Mirror's Edge

The fuck are you doing?
She the mostly unsexualised protagonist, the other runner is Celeste, another STRONG INDEPENDANT WOMAN WHO DONT NEED NO MAN, and the support character is a huge hulking guy, sitting in a gutted A/C tower talking to them on the radio.

Just watch them bitch about how 'Hurr they need a man's support', yet if you mention women in support roles in, say Vanquish or Metal Gear, suddenly 'Hurr, why are women always in support roles?'

>>137966035
Lara Croft is often in a jungle and has to go from A to B with acrobatic skills and shit, it makes sense she's not wearing alot. I don't disagree about the tits and ass factor, but at least it's understandable and she's still a strong character

>>137966203
>look at lara croft
>all you see is T&A, not that shes a strong independent woman who dont need no man and can kill lions and sharks and shit without a care in the world
no women, you are the sexists

>>137966203
>but at least it's understandable and she's still a strong character

Not as a character known for just being sexy throughout the industry. Yeah she's strong and blah blah, but you'll have to have the charisma of Adolf Hitler if you want to explain away the design choices.

OP clearly does not. So taking off Bayonetta and Lara would be a smart move.

The only way he could make her work is that he compares the new design to her old design, stating that the industry has made progress in portraying women in video games.

>>137966059

I'll try and Add Faith

I already have samus as silent protagonist
allyx as NPC
Faith can be the Main character example
big boss as tragic villain/heroine
Ill toss a little youtube video of Me3 femshep as example of current 2012 game
ill toss Final fantasy tactics advanced and just throw the date to show how old games already had powerful feminine figures.

I have chun li to prove women are not discriminated gameplay wise to bust that myth.

i have bayonetta as the big "fuck you". I can also say shes an example of anti slaut shaming. it will be hard but im willing to do so. i have a nice copy pasta here will cite.


I have gillespie as example of desexualised character and how overspecialization is always present, not only oversexualization, and how we're not selling sex, we're selling a character and a degree of sexualization will always be present and it is inhuman to think otherwise


i will state men are oversexualized too (Nathan Drake)

>>137966538

i will cite*

sorry . god its late.

>>137966454

i can make a slide portraying the evolution of de-sexualization. I'll make that slide.

and fuck you, im quite charismatic

>>137966538


Just make sure of one thing;
If you try and argue that there is no sexism at all, they will shit down your throat.

So long as your argument is 'there is some, but here are some sterling examples to show that its no-way near as bad as people say'.
That way, they have literlly no possible rebuttals.

>>137966318
Really, are you being ironic or retarded? I'm not a woman and if you only focus on T&A, it's not my fault. And if I said something wrong, just say it.
>>137966454
Fair enough, it's his presentation

Oh god, I can't fucking wait for the Youtube video of this presentation.

Do y'all think it will be worse than this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQysdRTDIYE

>>137966795

the guy didn't even explain the good things about the show. He simply went and said "this pony is nice because" instead of arguing what makes the show watchable to 20 year olds


thats a shit presentation, whether it is ponies or not has nothing to do with its performance.


I don't understand whats so taboo or shameful about explaining videogame characters. is it as bad as talking about ponies?

So I was reading the whole thread, and I have three things to say:
1)OP is not a faggot
2)Feminist bitch was more annoying than helpful
3)Upload presentation on Youtube, please

>>137966949

>I don't understand whats so taboo or shameful about explaining videogame characters. is it as bad as talking about ponies?

The way we feel about ponyfaggots is the way that normalfags feel about us.
I.e. they dont understand us, and there is more than a hint of revulsion and/or pity.

However, its gradually changing.

Make sure to mention that VIDYA GAEM is a bigger industry than film and print media combined. That'll rattle their cages.

>>137967070

thanks bro, I'll make sure to mention that

>>137966795
>that nervous stepping back and forth
this nigga is shit at presentations

>>137966692
>fuck you, im quite charismatic
>implying you can ever be charismatic enough to win over a feminazi

>>137967384

I don't want to win over the feminazi though, i just wan to win over the audience.

ALLRIGHT SO


I need youtube videos of the big boss being a badass motherfucker strong ass woman destroyer of penises.


please help

>>137967487
is it peer assessed? is it assessed at all?

>>137966538
It's just Boss, not Big Boss, unless you wanna talk of Naked Snake.

>>137967936


The boss, yes. Sorry, I'm sleep deprived, and still have to do this presentation.

Important note: while showing "strong" women in videogames, be sure to also present "strong" men to preemptively defuse any accusations of "but those are the exceptions." That is to say, not only argue that videogames have some exceptions to gender stereotypes, but that the stereotypes they have aren't limited to women.

But some notable "strong" women in the vidya might be:
- Alyx (HL2)
- Samus (Metroid, pre-OM)
- Chell (Portal)
- Jade (Beyond Good and Evil)
- Faith (Mirror's Edge)
- The Boss (MGS3)
- Jill (Resident Evil)
- SIE (Alpha Protocol)
- Zoey (L4D)

Might also be worth pointing out changes in videogame roles for women over time, highlighting how Zelda and Peach have gone from damsels in distress to a very capable pirate and competitive racer/sportswoman/brawler respectively.

I don't care about the grade, its not peer assessed.

>>137968196
ok then. Show that stupid cunt who's boss. gl, hf

>>137968121


Godamnit, do i have to show strong men before or after every example? ugh this is double the work now, but you make a good point

>>137968783
Just half-ass it and get through that course alive.

Godspeed.

>>137968783
Don't show it before each woman, break the presentation up into segments.

First, show what they expect from those goddamn sexist videogames: hyper-masculine men and sex-object women. Then, proceed to demonstrate how those are certainly not the standard, and how more self-sufficient women are treated with both respect and admiration. Yyou can drop the males at this point, or make a casual note of how less masculine men are still accepted, with characters like Freeman.

Show some examples of "strong" women, mentioning not only developed characters, but player-built ones as well. Finally, show how the gaming community is welcoming to this less 'sexist' presentation of women, embracing Zelda/Peach's makeover, applauding Chell, and damning Samus' Other M spinelessness.

My only problems with this thread is that OP is too confident in his unbelievably charismatic presentation skills. And having English as your fourth language doesn't excuse you sound like a fucking retard.

brace yourselves

Show your presentation in here before your teacher

>>137971650
>before you show it to your teacher
fix'd that for you...

>>137971136
>image taken straight from the thread
Oh fuck this is going to be great. My sides are waiting patiently in anticipation.

>>137971136
Oh yes, yes indeed.

Wow OP, you pretty much fucked yourself here. Even if you do manage to find an example a female vidya character that isn't poorly represented it still won't matter for shit because the remaining 90% of characters out there are either:
A. Overly-sexualized
B. Overly-submissive
C. Or both

Though I have to say, if you manage to pull it off I'd be right impressed.

>>137972017
No, please don't

Last slide

>durr i'm going to lie about being gay for dumbass reasons
>picking a class actually named "gender communications"
>taking sociologist shit based on outdated critical theory
>taking sociologist shit at all
Prime example of Retardation.

>>137972214

Because Barack Obama cut funds to NASA.

>>137972268

It's not like I wanted to take this shit class dude, either way, bad or good presentation, Im stuck with a B (despite perfect attendance and 100% on all tests, i dont know why, i simply have a B). the grade stays the same even i dont do the presentation. might as well have some fun

ITT: OP is a lazy fuck and thought it would be easy to come up with shit about video games, although himself doesn't know shit.

Video games are the most progressive and tolerant medium towards women. They aren't just the MC gf.
And sexism my ass, all the male characters are over sexualized too.

Since I can't be fucked to read through 300 posts, what female character did OP decide on?

>>137972214
>you can see the sanic's fingers on the left

fucking glorious

>>137972404


if i was a lazy fuck i wouldn't even bother doing this.

>>137972431
That's a UR-Quattro.
It hurts.

>>137972654
Looks like my old Imperial
No, please stop it, that hurts even more.

another slide

>>137959779
Why not in "provacative" positions. Bullshit your way through it and say Bayonetta often puts herself in provocative positions because she is a confident warrior.

Or in contrast, mention how Bayonetta is the way she is to parodize the oversexualization of certain female characters

>>137972962


I fixed the grammar and Im removing the last two sentences, and simply saying "which one fit the stereotype the most?"

>>137972214
I wish I could find my picture of Richard Dawkins with "Dude, what?" written on it right now

>>137972962
>quotes around Literature
And it's dominated, not dominate.
That entire slide assumes they even consider males able to be sexualized at that.

>>137972962

Jesus Christ what illiterate retard wrote that?

>>137951990
Keep doubles of all your papers, report to the chair, do your entire thing on how feminists change the media for the worse and force changes that otherwise would make fine games, movies or books.

>>137973418
you are now aware that you post with a bunch of idiots

>>137973469
D-DOUBLES?

>>137972962

>Literature
>Twilight

Too easy, and you've lost your audience right there.

You'll need to explain how sexism is not a selling point in videogames, don't compare it to twilight here. Talk about the reactions to skullgirls, or the upcoming lollipop chainsaw thing.

You may also want to talk about Katawa Shoujo, which was surprisingly well written, considering it's fetish fuel wrapped and sold as a game. This, you could compare to twilight.

>showing how women have NOT been portrayed as the generic submissive healer
nope.tga

There are a few exceptions, of course - like Samus, Jade from Beyond Good & Evil.

>>137973905
uhhhh but thats wrong

If you work in the trader from Killing Floor into your presentation I will find you and suck your dick so hard

I really want to chime in my support for Jill Valentine. I just finished playing Revelations, where she's the main character, and I really felt that they wrote her very well. She was tough, brave, and practical, but still sympathetically human, and most importantly I could still understand that she was a woman. They didn't go to either extreme with making her too girly or too much like a man.

the real slide,

changed to a subtle title

>>137974126
Make Midna be next to the description of TP.

Please, it's really bothering me.

>>137974126
>women are either passive victims or domineering cunts
That's how your teacher will flip it. Better be able to defend against that.

>>137974126
>she treats him like his pet
>his pet

>>137974126
I just hope youve actually read Twilight because I can already tell you your teacher is gonna ask for specific examples from the text

>video games
>not movies with characters like Ripley, Vazquez (the one with the smart gun and bandanna and buffness)

The fuck are you doing? No one can claim sexism with them. It's damned impossible with them both being crazy ass shooters against acidic aliens of death.

>>137974126

They're going to rage hard, excellent.

>>137974165
This OP

>>137974339
>hurf durf twilite is 4 fags
Fucking rebuttled.

>>137974249

hmm, the whole point is to criticize twilight, ill make one slide saying the following

Title: Gender of Characters overall

the gende rof the characters in videogames is supposed to be but a trait, like the height or color of our eyes, and not something that shapes the character necesarily.


Picture of Ritz from fantasy tactics advanced

Explain to class how she is a well written character that has WHITE hair (not stereotype) and develops to embrace who she is. she'll love that. that'll be my conlusion and its example.

>>137951990
Warhammer 40,000: Space Marine
Lt. Mira. one badass IG

Not doing OP's homework.

Fuck off

>>137974472
>the gende rof the characters in videogames is supposed to be but a trait, like the height or color of our eyes, and not something that shapes the character necesarily.
But that's wrong. Of course your gender (and even your height or eye color) affects who you are, however minutely it is. Gender especially plays a huge role in shaping people, especially with the way society views gender now.

Excuse my current terrible english guys, Im fucking sleep deprived and I need to finish this shit, and i got 5 hours.

Thanks for the help with the terrible grammar issues and with the incoming arguments they will unleash.

>I plan on working with Samus as main example

No please don't.

Have you not played Other M?

>>137974249
>Try to explain to feminist about the non-sexualized characters
>She flips it
>Explain other bit
>She flips it again
>Repeat over and over

The feminazis will flip that shit more than a burgerboy flips meat at Burger King.

>>137974602

well, how about Gender does shape you to a point, but shouldn't be the entirety of your personality, just like gay guys who think being gay is their personality is just a weak personality, and it should be seen simply as part of you and not your full self, thus there is a spectrum of many different kind of people, and we are all different despite being males/females

>>137974602

This.

I believe men and women are equals, but that doesn't mean that they're the SAME. (retards can't tell the difference. It's a matter of worth, not of similar qualities)

Gender absolutely shapes a person's character, especially when such gender roles are things created by society. (such as asian women generally being more submissive than western women. You think they were born that way?)

>>137974729
Yup, thus OP is fucked. I will enjoy the current shitstorm.