NOT another AAA first-person shooter

Why ?

I love all those games OP, except I only like SMB

>>136635325
Hopefully Battlefield 3's "low" sales will help put an end to this.

For once, I'd like to see a indie game that isn't a platformer. Has anyone tried out doing a music/rhythm game?

>>136635420

Congrats on having low standards

But there's almost no AAA platformers anymore, where else could I enjoy games like the ones I enjoyed back then?

You forgot to add Cave Story and Bastion in that pic.

>Implying VVVVVV was obsessed with trying to be art and that it wasn't really fucking fun and challenging.

Probably SMB too, but I haven't played that.

>>136635656
All of OPs games are sidescrollers. Bastion isn't. It also has a combat system unlike the other ones.

>>136635656
>Bastion
>platformer

>>136635540
There are a lot of indie games that aren't platformers. Try Sequence.

>>136635540

Amnesia

AM2R
Mega Man X Corrupted
Retro Blazer

All indie. All closer to actual retro than all of those games combined. If you don't want retro, then there's Natural Selection 2 and Hawken.

I support this

>>136635325

LOL IF YOU DON'T LIKE SHITTY PLATFORMERS YOU MUST LIKE SHITTY FPS.

gb2/b/

Hey hey Limbo's pretty cool.

Then ignore them. OP is a raging faggot if he thinks VVVVVV is a bad game, or cave story is a bad game.

>>136635540
>Indie music games

Sequence, is one. It's pretty fun.

>>136635849
>that pic
Just what the fuck is that?

>>136635656
>Bastion
>platformer

>>136636013

>VVVVVV
>good game

pick one.

>>136636013
BUT ROCKCOCK64 SAID VVVVVV WAS INDIE TRASH

>>136635656
But Cave Story was actually unique for its time, it's not fair to include something that was released in 2004 in a recent trend.
And Bastion obviously isn't a platformer.

Braid has a unique way of solving puzzles, as well as lovely artwork. Limbo I thought was fun. I have a bro who speaks highly of VVVVV and SMB. These are seemingly all good indie platform games.

>>136635540
Rock Band 3 and Rock Band Blitz are indie now ever since MTV Games dissolved and Harmonix went independent.

>>136636156
bastion is a platformer and nothing else. the rest of its features are shit.

>>136635849
I think what most people mean when they say "Indie Platformer", they mean games made by hipster shits who think they are deep.

Can only speak for AM2R, and I know that the dev LOVES Metroid. He makes the game because he loves making such a game, not because of some pretentious shit. Games like that, we don't have enough, those should keep coming.

But the modern "indie platformer" can go to Hell.

We need more indie spook simulators

I can always go for a good spookin'

>>136635849

Whoa, what am I looking at?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8Ifue2xGFY&feature=g-all-lik&context=G24cb100FAAAAAAAAAAA

>>136636242
>platformer
>a game where you can't even jump

>>136636281
>when they say "Indie Platformer", they mean games made by hipster shits who think they are deep.
only uneducated people on /v/

>>136636328

If only 4chan had a way to view filenames so that you could identify a picture's source.

>>136635929
Woah excuse me? Fuck you.

Limbo is 2 hours I will never get back. All the puzzles were easy and I couldn't go 20 seconds without hitting a checkpoint.

The only thing that made the game good or unique was the atmosphere. The actual gameplay was an abomination.

They really nailed the atmosphere, though. Good stuff.

I still feel like I could've just watched someone else play it to get the same experience, though.

>>136636242
>a game with no jumping
>a platformer and nothing else

You're forgetting the best indie platformer, OP.

>>136636242
I can't seriously reply to you.

>>136636390

Seriously why doesn't moot add it?

So do you know the game?

>>136636390
>AM2R
Yeah that sure tells me a lot...

What this thread about?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJZAzNKZBew

>>136635540
Legends foretold of a sacred game called Tuba Croc.

But it never came out.

>>136636432
I watched Josh Jepson's LP of the game instead of playing it.

I can safely say I would have enjoyed playing it myself, but I'm a sucker for atmosphere in games. I'm a huge fan of Knytt

>>136636550
>what is google

>>136636583

What stopped him from making it?

>>136636536

>sarcasm

its metroid you fucker

Stupid, dumb indie scum.

Thank fuck I received these for free.

>>136635217
>Fez
>Platformer

Did you even play it? The main chunk of the game consists of puzzles, the platforming is only how you get between those puzzles.

>>136636509
That game is actually super awesome.

Maybe I'm the only one that thinks that.

But I loved it.

>>136635540
http://osu.ppy.sh/

>>136636550

Dude, I haven't played the game yet even I recognize at least the series.

>>136636550

if only the internet had some sort of way to quickly search numerous sites by inputting in specifics words and phrases.

I don't see how anyone can't like VVVVVV or SMB, whether there are lots of indie platformers or not.

>>136636179
Actually he didn't. Watch his video where he plays it.

He criticizes the graphics and unoriginal gameplay, but he has the game on mute as a joke so he pretends he's unaware of the music. He recognizes it's the best thing about the game, and fuck is it awesome.

>>136635540
Beat Hazard?

>>136636643

>greentexting

Stop getting pissed at people on the internet.

And that's not Metroid, it's apparently a remake of the second game.

>>136636663
>Puzzles
>Implying rotating 90 degrees 1-3 times is a puzzle

>>136636663

>puzzles

ROTATE THIS
STACK THIS
USE YOUR QR CODE READER

>>136636509
Now see, why can't more games be like this?

There's nothing wrong with old ideas, I'd just like to see some more things added to it.

Donkey Kong on the Gameboy blew my fucking mind when I was a kid. There was just so much shit you could do. So far, the only thing that has even come close to that same feeling of freedom and maneuverability was dustforce.

but i loved braid.

Also, i love this game but i've never seen /v/ talk about it. made me feel really sad at the end for some reason. Anyone with a vita should pick it up for a couple of squid in the mini shop.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EaARfJgzYug

>>136636835

>remake of metroid
>not metroid

you didndt troll me ass hole

>>136636671
I loved it as well. Stopped playing it because I was getting to levels that made my computer choke on it's own saliva, but they patched it and it's quite noticeably better. Kinda waiting for it to get patched to improve the performance a little more and more content. When the level editor gets put in I'm hitting that shit hard.

>>136636713
Well VVVVV was pretty fun, but SMB is just Trial and Error: The Game. But at least it had decent music.

>>136636550
>google AM2R
>FIRST FUCKING HIT

yeah, you're a faggot

>>136636176

It IS good. It takes a concept, reversing gravity, and plays with that just enough to get full use of it without running it into the ground. The music's great, the environment is sparsely populated with interesting things but not every fucking room, it has challenges for those that want to go the extra mile, and it's a good platformer.

On top of that, Terry Cavanagh made it on his last dollar (and didn't cry about it to get money, the only reason I know is from reading a sentence tucked in one of his blogs on his site) and still took advice and discounted the game permanently from 15 to 5, and has tons of sales for the game.

I beat the game once and I was done for quite a while, but I still consider it to be enjoyable and memorable.

>indie platformer
>retro graphics
>gimmicky mechanic that tries to seperate itself from the rest of the generic indie platformers
>every fucking one is hailed as the best fucking shit ever made

>>136636846
>USE YOUR QR CODE READER

Wait.

What.

He actually put that in ... as a puzzle?


Holy shit I've been a pretty adamant Fez apologist in these threads but even I have to admit that's fucking retarded.

>>136636846

There's QR Codes that you have to read in the game? But I don't have a smartphone...

>>136636130
>>136636328

http://metroid2remake.blogspot.com/

>>136636308
the SCP's are all the same boring levels with different sounds

>>136637009

Thanks anon.

>>136636550
>Google AM2R
>first result

WOW SON THAT WAS HARD

Don't get me wrong, I hate assholes on 4chan who claim that Google solves everything, but in simple cases like this it's the absolute truth.

You're stupid btw

>>136636992
>man
>dressing as a woman
>not gay

pick 2

>>136637029
you haven't played containment breach, have you? it's better than starway simulator and hallway simulator, and it's only been in development for TWO WEEKS

it will get much better still if he keeps it up

>>136636846
>>136637002
The QR codes are a way for kids who don't understand base 25 counting to skip the puzzles.

>>136637002
>>136637008

>>136637009
Please don't do that.

>>136637002
>>136637008

>>136637002
>>136637008
The codes are also placed elsewhere in the game, making a QR reader unnecessary for full completion.
I saw it as a funny and interesting idea, other people claim game-breaking because they don't know about the alternative messages.

a serious lack of nifflas' games
also, dat music

>>136637274
>The codes are also placed elsewhere in the game, making a QR reader unnecessary for full completion.
>The codes are also placed elsewhere in the game, making a QR reader unnecessary for full completion.
>The codes are also placed elsewhere in the game, making a QR reader unnecessary for full completion.

This.
Can we please drop this QR bullshit now?

This seems a good a place to ask as any. Whats /v/s opinion on audiosurf?

So why is indie used as a genre description anyway?
I mean, whoever releases a game with indie, they have to call it an "indie platformer" or an "indie FPS" which just shows that the indie in the title makes no sense being there because it in no way describes the game you're playing.
In fact, the only thing indie really describes is a select business practice or way of generating finance the company who created it uses, which makes no sense as a genre name. It's the same as calling CoD a "corporate FPS" or Mario a "corporate platformer"

Fez is not a platformer.

It's a puzzle game with sidescrolling traversal elements.

Any "platforming" is only a means to reach the next puzzle and experience the world. Braid falls into that same vein (though some would call it more of a puzzle-platformer).

SMB and VVVVVV are both platformers in the truest sense as that is their core gameplay. They are both very good games because of this, but VVVVVV is dramatically better in my opinion.

Limbo is more of an interactive experience than anything, but you could absolutely categorize it as a platformer, as that is the bulk of its play. I would say it is a terrible platformer, but an excellent experience if it were sold for 99 cents.

These threads are always filled with ignorance. I have always said that you do not need to have played a game to have an opinion on whether it is bad or not, but you should always be informed about it. Most of you dumbshits, with the full breadth of the Internet at your fingertips, are too arsed with shouting nonsense than actually looking into these games in order to manifest an actual INFORMED opinion.

You probably looked at a single screenshot and declared it shit right then and there.

I've never met a bigger group of poseurs and hipsters.

>mfw people played through Fez without noticing the puzzles at all

>>136637379

Why not just not even have the QR bullshit in the first place?

>>136637318
Oh fuck I love Nifflas.

Too bad /v/ probably hates him because the games are artsy as hell.

NightSky was my favorite game in the Humble Indie Bundle

>>136637439
Indie, because of these stupid faggots, now generally means shitty "retro" graphics and almost no gameplay.

>>136637434
It's a nice waste of time and I still play it every now and again.

>Indie game
>People here aren't just bending over and willing-fully taking it in the ass like blind non-thinking sheeple.
>Instead any and all indie bullshit is hammered to the ground like it should be

I fucking love /v/, it is the last bastion of real proper videogames.

The indie bullshit craze hasn't reached and taken it's rotten roots to the ground here.

I fucking love you /v/. And I will forever love you.

Keep the true gaming alive.

>>136637442

>Fez is not a platformer.

Yet everyone thinks it is, thus it will be judged as a platformer. Fish should of taken some notes when Burtal Legend came around.

>>136637480
Phil Fish is probably laughing harder at the people that thought it was an "indie platformer".

>>136637541
Ask the designers, I have no clue. They're there if you wanna use them though, fine if you don't.

>"Retro" gaming
>implying games that used to be retro aren't contemporary, thanks to indie developers being the dead horse that is NES graphics and gameplay
Indie music is almost always original and groundbreaking in comparison to music tied to popular labels, so why is it that indie games aren't the same? They should be the ones who push the market forward without fear of losing a profit, not the ones who shit it up with the same game over and over.
>inb4 indie music sucks

>>136637541
Because then nobody would even notice the puzzles at all.

>>136637558
NO ONE can hat Knytt.

If they do they are not human.

>>136637541
Because if there are people who won't notice a hidden alphabet, perhaps there are even people who wouldn't recognize a QR code.

HUGE spoilers -- all that scanning the QR does is tell you a sequence of buttons to press to receive an item. This item is also obtainable by entering that same sequence by reading messages on walls.

Honestly, it's not a problem.

>>136637379
My brother wrote a QR code that when scanned, automatically caused the facebook page tied to the phone number (if the number was put in the facebook page for LOL SECURITY REASONS) to like the company he works for.

My point it, how do you know this isn't doing something as sleazy?

>>136637442
Holy shit this. Thank you anon. They call people hipsters for liking indie games with retro style graphics and yet the only reason they have for hating these games is that they are popular. Sounds pretty hipster to me.

Also I fucking hate how a couple of bad eggs did some shit stuff and now aparrently every single indie game from the last 5 years is a pretentious 2d sidescroller.

>>136637729
>should of

I like to play these indie games between retails. They are a nice light buffer before taking on another massive game. Why is everyone so mad?

>>136637558
You're not alone. The music made it wonderful.

>>136637813
Knytt is one of the few "art games" I actually enjoyed. The world was fun to explore and it had a lot of variety. Good game.

Knytt stories is about 1000x better, though

http://playonthis.wordpress.com/

>>136637838
Because it's a fucking videogame. Go put your tinfoil hat back on.

>>136637729
>Yet everyone thinks it is, thus it will be judged as a platformer.

It's like stupid people online watched the first 20 minutes of From Dusk Till Dawn and decided that it was a Cops & Robbers movie and not a vampire flick.

>>136635540
Sequence

It's in my top 3 games of 2012, try it.

>>136636606
>>136636682
>>136636693
>>136636945
>>136637130
T R O L L E D
H A R D

>>136635540
Audiosurf? Rez?

>>136637838
DAMN BRO, 1337 work right there.

No, seriously. Appreciate that shit.

>>136638008
I agree it's very unlikely, just I would rather not be put in that position in the first place.

You never know.

>>136637750

Retro = easy.

I sincerely doubt there is actually a indie developer out there who claimed there graphic style is retro for any other reason than because it lets them get away with being lazy. certainly, the lack of true retro gameplay, which IS hard to implement stands as proof of this

See Notch. Those graphics were meant to be place holders, but then they suddenly became 'retro' in order to justify how shit they looked in a 'finished' game

>>136637729
Fez is not advertised in the same way that Brutal Legend was.

Brutal Legend was chastised by people who played it for not being the game that people thought it was.

Fez is being chastised by people who haven't played it because they think it's a game it's not.

Your comparison is horrendously flawed.

>A bunch of people here mention Sequence

I tried to get into it but you basically have to grind to get items just to advance, and then grind more so you aren't unprepared for the next stage. It was otherwise great, but there's one point where an enemy attacks you before you get to the safe room; I couldn't pass it even if I played perfectly because I was underleveled. Pissed me off to no end.

LOL U NEVER PLAYED FEZ U CAN'T JUDGE IT

>that feel when overgrowth was changed to a sidescrolling platformer

>>136638328

An Untitled Story did it properly. It isn't really retro more as it looks like it was drawn by a 4 year old. However, this massively helps the atmosphere, and the guy has proven that he can draw much better so it really was a design choice.

>>136638434
>taking a screencap of someone having achievements in Fez
>implying this allows you to shittalk a game you've actually never played

>>136635217
>>136635325
I'm starting to think both of these right now, I wonder if its just me or if we're finally reaching over-saturation

>>136638152

O O O O O F U G G G G :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

>>136638538

Ohhhh, what now hotshot?


>>136638461

Lies.

>>136638374
didn't had this kind of problem. What spells were you using?

I liked VVVVVV :<

>>136638464
And it's also a fucking fun game.

I'm almost certain people would be willing to ignore the "retro" aspect of indie games if they were actually designed well.

See: VVVVV

>>136638538

You can't set beacons on games you don't own shitfuck.

>>136635540
Sequence.
Which in true indie way blatantly rips off other more talented people and takes all the credit while banning all the "haters".

The original Sequence OST song.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUc8qFaSBPQ

The made up song to in order to fake a plagiarism scandal.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Et3gtCYNIBQ

>>136637009
>>136637128
>>136636924
Heard it was from an ex retro studio employee.

>>136638647
>HURR THERE'S ONLY ONE PLACE TO GET SCREENSHOTS

>>136638612

I can't remember. I only had 4 or 5 though, and one was shield (which I never used).

The time would always run out before I could finish, and even if you have more health than your opponent it counts as a loss.

>>136638540
I think it's unfair to compare Braid, Fez, Limbo, VVVVVV and SMB to military shooters.

>>136638540
It's going to happen. There will be a video game market crash in the next few years.
Fuck, I'm not buying any next-gen games until the gen AFTER it comes out. Shit, I might not even buy it then.


I don't have a huge desire to play games right when they come out. I'm going to wait and let /v/ and the critics sift through the shit and then see if those left standing pique my interest. I'm surprised more people don't do this.

>>136638624
>>136638639

The whole "retro indie grafixxx" thing was pretty gay but the soundtrack was fucking fantastic and they actually made excellent use of the only gameplay mechanic by switching up areas and using it in various ways. Anyone who says otherwise is just trying to be edgetastic.

>>136638663
how about you go and get your fucking facts right?

>>136638735

>hurr i logged into my xbox acct on the website and screencapped

>>136638598
you're right, i was just yankin' your chain.
it actually got changed to an ipad game

>>136638751
Can you give me some more clues? Like which Floor you were on, was it a boss, etc.

the biggest problem with the indie game community to me is the prevailing idea of what constitutes "art", mainly the belief that the meaning of "art" is defined by what is currently popular in the elitist "art world" and not by the personal opinion of each and every individual. I think the pixel art thing is also a side effect of this; 'gamers' are told that true art has to be largely very minimalistic and open to interpretation, and a good way of following that super-specific and (ironically) artistically limiting condition is to go for a very 'old school' feel.

>>136638883

I felt it was short, but otherwise great.

And I think that was the right way to be retro; he didn't just draw shitty graphics and call it a day, he made it look and sound like a Commodore 64 game.

It's not their being platformers that's problematic, but rather their being extremely bad and gimmicky platformers.

Good platformer developers realized that the proper way to move forward was not to make jumps and movement more precise (Super Meat Boy, IWTBGT, Asshole Mario etc.) but to make the enemies stronger and more threatening.

This is why Ultimate Ghosts & Goblins is the best platformer, and Super Meat Boy is one of the worst.

Guys, I googled how to take a screenshot of my computer. Don't worry, this proves it.

>>136639018

It was the first enemy you face right after the 4th boss. So, I guess floor 5.

The story was just getting really interesting too.

>>136639052

So then you agree that Fez is the best thing ever right?

>>136638150

>Fez is not advertised in the same way that Brutal Legend was.

Hey guys it's a indie platformer!

Hey guys it's a whole world that's a love letter to metal!

I would say FEZ's false avdertised is worse.


>Fez is being chastised because people haven't played it because they think it's a game it's not.

No, that's a strawman. The people who played and don't like are judging it as a platformer, such as rockcock64. The FEZ stalwarts retort 'Its a puzzle game not a platformer!'

>>136639025
You couldn't be more wrong.

>>136639153
Best ever, no.
Great puzzle game, yes.
Because I played it.

>>136639307
why?

Waiting for Starbound.

It may be a platformer, but it looks pretty fucking cool.

But SMB and Limbo are good...
At least Limbo doesn't have shit visuals

>>136638663
Wow.

INDIE DEVELOPERS DOING WHAT INDIE DEVELOPERS KNOW BEST I GUESS.

STOP LIKING WHAT I DONT LIKE HUUURR

>>136637725

Seriously, defining these games as "hipster" makes no fucking sense. They cost barely anything, and are no where near as popular as you seem to think or are making out. If you think indie games are the cancer thats killing vidya, your a fucking mong.

>>136636083
that fucking OST man...2012 was an awesome year for game music, Bastion, Sequence, Sonic Gen...

my personal fav:

>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eN5-P4QyNAY&feature=relmfu

>>136639041
Yeah, I see your point. I think that "retro pixelized graphics" are much better when each sprite is painstakingly animated and colored, like the ones in the Metal Slug serries.

Fez is getting chastized? It has a 90 on Metacritic, that's as good as Deus Ex.

>>136639574

>smb
>good

LOL REMEMBER THIS GAME. HERE'S A REFERENCE TOO IT.

ALSO, OUR GAME IS A BUGGY PIECE OF SHIT AND WE'LL DENY IT IF YOU SHOW US ACTUAL PROOF

>>136639041
I would kill to see somebody make a game that ACCURATELY represents the NES's graphics unlike 99% of indie games out nowadays.

That includes:
>flickering if too many sprites are on a scanline
>proper palette usage
>realistic NES slowdown

>>136639237
>The people who played and don't like are judging it as a platformer, such as rockcock64.
I highly doubt that he actually played it.

Or he just wanted to make an edgy review by leaving out a good 80% of the game.

>The FEZ stalwarts retort 'Its a puzzle game not a platformer!'
They're kinda right. It's like Metroidvania games aren't platformers but you jump around to solve things and do shit.

>>136635217

Guys... how about

A triple A platformer

And, and...

An indy modern tacticool FPS?

>>136638663
>Notch rips off minecraft
>Fez rips off some small known flashgame
>All of them ripping off retro games

Indie developers, are you even trying?

>>136639709
Fez confirmed better than Deus Ex, everyone go home

>>136639415
>the meaning of "art" is defined by what is currently popular in the elitist "art world"
>'gamers' are told that true art has to be largely very minimalistic

This is absolute bullshit.

Minimalistic graphics are used in indie games because often they are all that's needed to convey the gameplay elements the designer wishes to demonstrate. /v/irgins are al about gameplay>>>>>graphics right?

>>136639129
so you mean the giant dragon-like monster?

>>136639648

>Yeah, I see your point. I think that "retro pixelized graphics" are much better when each sprite is painstakingly animated and colored, like the ones in the Metal Slug serries.

Metal Slug sprites were actual drawings, if metal slug was made today they wouldn't be sprites.

>>136639913

Even Capcom can't get it right, although they were the closest.

Do fan games count? If so, then I hope this one blows everyone away and shakes up the indie game stereotype.

>>136639913

>including slowdown and flickering and having a limited palette

NOPE. 1/10 FROM IGN. GAMES NOW ARE CAPABLE OF SO MUCH MORE. WHY WAS THE DEV LIMITING HIMSELF.

>>136640003
Of course. It's also better than everything from Japan, didn't you know?

>>136639979
Dude, it's piss easy and you make fucking bank.

Learn to code, rip off a lesser-known game, be an ass, and rake in the dosh. Simple.

I am definitely not Phil Fish.

>>136640063

They'd still be absolutely fucking beautiful.

>>136640063
Ah, my mistake.

>>136640040
Minimalistic graphics are used in indie games because they can't afford to produce good graphics.

>>136639979

>Notch rips off Minecraft
>Notch ripping off his own game

What?

>>136640071
I fucking love Mega Man 9

>>136640071
So like, don't they have the original Mega Man engine lying around? Couldn't they have just used an emulator or something?

Honestly I don't understand how they managed to fuck that up.

>that feel when you like vvvvvv and SMB, but everyone hates them because indie games.

>>136640104
everything is a rip off of something

that's what art is and always has been

>>136640219
Minecraft is a ripoff of Manic Digger.

Look it up.

>>136640259
Yeah design wise it's a fantastic game, but they really messed up with the graphics. That and having no slide/charge shots. But that's okay I can forgive them for that.

>>136640325
Wrong, also why the fuck do you care about the opinion of others?

>>136640219
Well infiniminer.

Sorry that I got them confused.
It tends to happen, they are basically the same damn game so it is pretty easy mistake to do.

>>136636509
Well what fucking game is that?

>>136640040
okay, I'll admit that I was far too general; obviously Super Meat Boy isn't trying to be an 'art game'. still, I do feel that a common definition of 'art game' involves minimalism and this sometimes leads to certain games that want to shoot for that market having very simplistic 'old school' graphics.

>>136640325
Don't worry man, it's just /v/'s rage flavour of the month.

>>136640259
So did everyone else. Except for me.

I'm not 8 anymore, which apparently means that I fucking suck at Mega Man games. I didn't even bother with 10...

>>136640286
I'm guessing here, but I wanna say that Mega Man 9 does things that would've been impossible if they'd made it with the old NES tools.

>>136640104

Yea cause those guys making shit flashgames on newgrounds all them years ago are all billionaires now.

I presume your also rich from the highly successful title you coded, probably only took like 2 days too seen as its so easy to do.

>>136640480
Dust Force

>>136640443
I desperately need others' acceptance and recognition.

http://www.effectgames.com/demos/canvascycle/

That's what real pixel art looks like. My favorite is the mountain fortress.

>>136638663
And for once I thought there was an original and creative game out there...

Super Meat Boy is fucking awesome and you should feel ashamed of yourself if you don't love the everlasting shit out of this game.

>>136638354
Except that guy is right and it's actually a very apt comparison. The difference is that Brutal Legend was actually a great multiplayer game once you got past the false advertising, whereas Fez is basically that browser game where you had to hunt for the next page through the shitty, obscure clues, but wrapped in an absolutely bare-bones platformer.

>>136640578
I could stare at this shit for days.

>>136640610
this post sounds like you hate SMB and want to get people to shit on it.

I liked SMB and VVVVVVV. They were challenging, even with the instant respawn/infinite lives.

I have Braid in the backlog, from what i've heard it's pretty great although a bit too 2DEEP4U.

I even liked And Yet It Moves, which is possibly THE most "hipster" game I've ever played, /v/ throw flip their shit at it. BUt it had some solid puzzles and it kinda grew on me.

"Indie platformer" seems to be a buzzsword most people use to describe a indie game they ahven't played, but are convinced that it's shit.

Although Fez DOES look kinda shitty.

>>136640325
hi there

So when is Fez coming to the spreadsheet machine so I can pirate the game and not give Phil Faggot my money?

>ctrl+f
>no mention of machinarium
go play machinarium

>>136640719
I've never actually gone out of my way to read a thread about And Yet It Moves; why do people here hate it?

I'm curious because I got it as part of a Humble Indie Bundle and didn't really like it, I want to see if other people's reasons are remotely similar.

>>136640719
I fucking hated braid and And Yet It Moves.
I don't want to judge Fez badly just because the creator is a mega asshat and I haven't played it.
Also, it looks pretty.

I'm going to make a platformer game.

It's going to be about bizarro pokémon. 6 lines of dialogue in the game.

All graphics stolen from the 1st and 2nd generation pkmn and some of the influential platformer games.

It's going to be hard, but not unfair and will let you advance if you can combine intelligence with reflex. If not, make good use of your lives to learn what to do.

No gimmicks, simply move left/right, crouch and jump, and a projectile. No tutorials, no introduction. Figure what you're supposed to do and what enemy does what yourself.

3 lives. No continues.

>>136640845

Not a platformer is it?

But fucking amazing nonetheless.

>>136640578
That's awesome. See, that's what "retro" games should look like. They don't have to pretend that they're limited to the NES hardware.

Here /v/
Enjoy all these great indie games that aren't platformers.

http://indiegames.com/index.html

>>136640902
>why do people here hate it?

The biggest complaint is the controls.

stop saying gameplay mechanic you sound retarded

>>136640689
Nope, completely honest.
Cool theme, brutal difficulty, amazing music.

>>136640054
>>136639129
you still here, Anon?

>>136640578
>dat dithering

>>136641012
I'd rather indie developers spend time programming a game that's fun to play instead of one that just looks good.

>Sequence
The maker of that game is a huge fucking self-absorbed douche.

Like Phil Fish level self-absorbed asshat.

What is with indie devs and them being such massive self-loving humongous dick faggots?

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2012/05/the-most-dangerous-gamer/8928/1/

>>136640902
>>136640918

I can REALLY see why people hated it - I loathed it from the beginning, tbh.

>Holy shit indie patformer
>It looks like ass
>Can this be anymore hipster

And yeah, it has some problems - the spinning gimmcik is annoying because if you just go slightly, slightly to fast you're dead.

But when you get past the first levels, the caves, they show of some pretty interesting puzzles IMO and actually pretty decent platforming. The parts where blocks would appear/ disappear to musc were kinda cool.

It's not a must play by any means but I found it pretty entertaining. Infact, most of the HUmble Bundle games were.

Except Hammerfight and Shank, fuck those games.

>>136636935
No. Most of the levels are doable right the first time if you're really good. The trial and error comes from a high difficulty, not from cheap death like bad 8-bit or 16-bit games.

>>136641068
the 'if you don't like this your hella gay' will just make people who dislike it for legit reasons become unreasonable about it, and the already unreasonable people will get even more unreasonable and start trolling the fuck out of it endlessly. I loved the game and I think people are overstating what a horrible irredeemable person Edmund McMillen is but 'if you don't like this you suck' is never a good way of praising something.

>>136638354
Brütal Legend is a great game. That soundtrack puts niggers in a bag everyday of the year. You don't like metal? 2bad.

FEZ is shit. The MC even has a fez on its head for fuck's sake. You can't get more hipster than that.

reported for /v/iral

stupid dumb indie scum

>>136636992
stop posting that ugly face, what the fuck seriously that's hideous

>>136640637
>shitty, obscure clues
It's ok if you don't like puzzle games.
You can just tell us.

So why did it take five years for Fez to come out, anyway? I'm sure it would take less than a year if someone competent was behind it.

>>136641285
>>136636935
I don't understand the "SMB sucks because of trial & error" thing. sure it involves trial & error but no more than Mario or Contra or classic Megaman or any other old game that everyone loves.

generally there's no genuinely cheap deaths, it's not the game where you'll have to memorize the locations of a whole bunch of traps that are impossible to notice before getting killed by them at least once. it's more like, 'get a good look at this obstacle course and then go through it'.

>>136641253
1) did you even play Sequence?
2) if yes, did you even finish the game before arguing against it?

I guess the answer is no for both?

>>136641285

I agree. I like to point out that most levels have safe zones where you can stand and plan your next move.

It's a small but very important detail.

>VVVVVV
Fuck YOU.
That is the only indie platformer.

>>136641360
>The MC even has a fez on its head for fuck's sake
>character is wearing a hat
I agree. What a shitty game.

>>136641334
Well... this is /v/, since when does anyone post in a way that discourages trolling?

H-hi guys.

>>136641642
Why would I need to play the game to know that the maker of the game is a huge fucking douche-nozzle of a man?

Any good indie RPG / SRPG?

>>136641495
I don't particularly like puzzle games, but my point was more that everything that is supposedly the 'real meat' of Fez has already been done, multiple times, better, and for free.

can someone post the picture of the "mfw we were 2 guys cybering as lesbians in an mmo" picture?

Dustforce is SMB minus the frustration

Fucking love that game.

>>136641875
>pirates
>zombies

yea nah. I'm not 14 anymore.

Oh shit I'm sorry

>>136641981
spirit engine 2

>>136641981
no
there aren't any good indie games

>>136641754
It's not that.

Do you know how hilarious and retarded people from countries where fezes were used or are still being used find that shit?

It's the exact same thing as making a game called "cap" and have the character wear a phyrigian cap for no reason at all. Enter the entire French population facepalming.

>puzzles

>that require no thinking

HOLY SHIT I HATE IT WHEN GAMES DO THIS.

SKYRIM, LOOKING AT AN ITEM IS NOT A PUZZLE.

FEZ, HAVING A SMARTPHONE IS NOT A PUZZLE.

>>136640845
It's for cheap currently. Along with what can make GOG user fucking cry.

>>136641783
it's not 'trolling' as much as people not liking this type of wording. shitting on SMB already seems to be a trend after the Thebestgamers thing and it would suck if a game as fun as this would become one of those things that's trolled so badly that you just shouldn't bring it up at all.

>>136640071

i didn't mind the plain backgrounds in MM9. between that, no charging, no sliding, and enemies that move quickly and often require precision to eliminate, it really felt like i was playing mega man 1 again. there was still enough stuff that would never have been graphically possible on a NES, like when those fireballs are whipping across the screen in magma man's level, or when the twin phoenix boss is separating into clumps like the cyclops in mm1.

>>136641248
True.
Or, you know, actually make the effort and do both.

>>136642136
>doesn't like space pirates

What are you some kind of fruit?

>>136642138
Sorry for what?

Our dad taught us to not be ashamed of our past.

Sometimes when I code it, it breaks the collision-detection.

>>136641253
Not all of them are.

See Regalis for example, of the SCP CB craze.

I want a 3D platformer with the charm and free spirit of a good independent game.

>>136642461
Anything that's not space vampires against zombie dinosaurs in 3D is shit.

>>136641993

I fucking love this one.

>>136642502

>>136642183
Again, a QR scanner is not required. If you don't like the fact that you have to decrypt wall messages, NOT the QR code but an actual message written in a language created within the game, while people with phones don't have to, then just search for the answers online.

>>136642178
So I was wrong and the actual problem isn't that he's wearing a hat. The problem is that he's wearing a hat and that the game is named hat.
I'm sorry to hear that the title of a game is a dealbreaker for you.

Limbo and VVVVVV really don't deserve to be bashed. I don't care if Rockcock64 made a video about them.

Limbo actually has decent puzzles like a good cinematic platformer should and VVVVVV is completely unpretentious.

The problem comes with slosh like Fez, Meat Boy and Braid that pretends (or is seen by the gaming press) to be something more than what it really is.

VVVVVV is the only good indie platformer

>>136642579
Well then you are shit out of luck.

>Good
>Indie game

Choose one.

WE HATE INDIE THINGS.

ALL WE WANT IS MORE CORPORATE BIG-BUDGET AAA GAMES WITH DAY ONE DLC, DRM OUT THE ASS, AWFUL WRITING AND OTHER SUCH BULLSHIT THAT WE CAN HAVE A MASSIVE SHITSTORM OVER AND GET MAD ABOUT.

STOP MAKING GAMES THAT AREN'T MASSIVELY HIGH-BUDGET.

CAPS LOCK BECAUSE OF HOW MAD I AM ABOUT PEOPLE WHO AREN'T BIG DEVELOPERS FUCKING DARING TO MAKE ANYTHING.

>>136642689
How does SMB pretend that it's more than it really is?

Also I don't think it would be hard to find some really awful pretentious reviews of Limbo that analyze it to a stupid extent.

>>136642597
Hah! That's hilarious.

>>136642138
Hooooolyyyyy shit. I guess now we know how he could afford the development of an indie game.

>>136642778
eat shit

What does /v/ think of bit.trip?

Specifically runner since it was the only it and beat were on PC and platformers seem to be the current topic

>>136642847
hi fish

>>136642689
As an avid platformer fan, Limbo and VVVVVV were really disappointing. No action, no excitement, no powerups, collectables, badguys, secret levels...

>>136635540
You're probably not still here, but to answer your question, play Bit.Trip Runner.

>>136642847
>IF IT'S NOT BLACK IT'S DEFINITELY WHITE!!!
gb2 LoL

>>136642847
DON'T LIKE BLACK?

YOU MUST LIKE WHITE, THEN!

Hey fags

VVVVVV was good but too short
Super Meat boy was good and FUCKING LONG (if you're a tryhard like me and have to par everything)

Braid was ok but definitely not an 'artform' or whatever

get on my level you fucking elitist snobs

>>136642847
There is nothing wrong with the company based development model.
At least that way the the projects can actually gain proper budgets and round up the necessary talent and man-force required to make actual proper videogames.

>>136642847
A lot of people here are like a South Park republican when it comes to gaming opinions, 'the answer is somewhere in the middle', always.

Big games suck, small indie games are hipster shit, so what should we do? Play games from medium sized European developers that are kind of small, but not TOO small to the point of being 'hipster shit'.

>>136642901
I like Bit.Trip.

I have Beat and Runner, and I have to say that these shits are fucking hard.

>>136642972
>>136642985
colormind

>>136642860

I remember when Super Meat Boy came out in 2010 Super Mario and "post-modern" art.

After some time has passed we can see the game for what it really is - a flash game with a lot of old memes.

I haven't read the articles over-analysing Limbo - but please don't show them to me.

>>136643053
So... The Witcher and Serious Sam?

>>136642778
>Cave Story
>Owlboy
>Octodad

I love indie puzzle-platformers that have a unique art style

>>136642901

I didn't like it very much. Felt like some wierd blend of rythm/platformer, but you never got to know the beat, you just memorized everything.

The difficulty came from long as fuck levels, the actualy jump were the same through out the game.

In short, it felt like they went the easy, lazy way when it came to making the game actually challenging.

Braid sucks balls compared to The Misadventures of P.B Winterbottom

>>136643098
I remember when SMB came out people saying that it was a neat platformer.

>>136641976
Does your ass ever get jealous on your mouth spewing out shit like this?

>>136643098
I haven't seen anyone call SMB 'post modern art' and I actually read a bunch of "professional" reviews. If some idiot said that then, whatever; it feels like you're making a mountain out of a molehill.

Also, "flash game" isn't a good criticism at all. People said the same thing about Rayman Origins and World of Goo and it held about as much water.
>>136643126
Exactly.

>>136643209
Yeah. It wasn't really praised for being artsy or something, it was praised for being an extremely hard but fair platformer with awesome music

>>136643387

Yeah, it shits me when people say that about Rayman Origins...

How many flash games have you played have hi-res fully animated art?

Dear "indie" developers,

Slop trying to hide your simplistic chore-puzzle games behind artsy graphics and subpar action/platforming. Also, gimmicks are not a substitute for ambitious game design.

>>136643363
Why the fuck would I have to know how the food tastes like to know that chef just punched someone in the face outside?

>>136643543
All the levels are samey, and the gameplay consists of constant trial and error.

I can't help but feel that the best indie platformers are the ones that are completely free. I've had more fun with Spelunky, Cave Story, and La-Mulana than any indie game I've paid money for.

Maybe it's because they were made with the thought of simply making a game for people to enjoy. They didn't turn their game into a job and made a big deal of it. They just made something in their free time because they enjoyed making games and they wanted other people to to have fun with the game they made.

>>136642901

>>136643053

No. How about we play whatever we want and you shut up?

I heard Angry Birds is the very definition of art.

>>136643735
>and the gameplay consists of constant trial and error.
is it really worse in that regard than Megaman, Mario, Contra or Castlevania in the 'trial & error' regard? pretty much every NES game that everyone loves.

this isn't a rhetorical question, I'm actually curious what you think. I always see people say SMB is bad because of 'trial & error' but I never actually went out of my way to question why.

Braid was pretentious before it was cool - but seriously, that game has gorgeous art, music, and clever mechanisms. I just can't hate it.

Limbo is a well designed and deserving experience.

VVVVVV is frustrating as fuck, has good music, and a pretty simple design.


All others are worthless.

ATTENTION EVERYONE:

WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU LOOKING AT THESE COMMERCIAL INDIE GAMES, THEY ARE ALL SHIT

THERE ARE INFINITELY MORE FUN AND HIGH QUALITY FREEWARE GAMES OUT THERE WITH LOTS OF VARIETY SO YOU MIGHT WANT TO LOOK INTO THAT, YEAH?

>>136643859

Not kidding about that difficulty part, the only one I could crawl my way through was runner

>>136643735
>All the levels are samey
What does it even mean ?
>, and the gameplay consists of constant trial and error.
No. You obviously don't know what trial and error mean. Trial and error means you can't succeed without failing, because it's literally impossible without a fuckhuge stroke of luck. Usually associated with cheap traps. In SMB, you can succeed perfectly at first try. It's fucking hard, almost impossible, but it's in theory doable. There's nothing hidden that kill you in one shot. and which forces you to make the same levels over and over again just to learn where every trap is.

>>136644070
>Spelunky

Thanks for reminding me how bad I am at that game.

I'll just go cry in a corner, now.

>>136643996
Not him, but yes, way worse.
>NES games
>getting better and better and dying less and less until you win, gaining satisfaction along the way as you hone your skills

>SMB
>infinite lives, so it's ok to just have impossible obstacles, just to keep you retrying until you pass by blind luck

>>136643996
Because there isn't anything else to it. No risk and reward, no tension of limited lives, and memorization as opposed to reaction.

>>136644246

>>136644070
>Chalk
>Legend of Princess
I bought the horrible commercial capitalist ten bucks game Noitu Love 2 because I wanted to support Konjak

deal w/ it

A lot of those games are good, but I will say:

Seriously, indie devs - there ARE other genres besides the platformer.

>>136644070
Holy fuck I'm saving this

>An Untitled Story
>Knytt
>Jumper 3

I love you guys.

>>136643996

In those other games, Trial and Error will only get you so far. Trial and error implies that there's nothing more to the game than just brute forcing your way through.

In Castlevania, I only die due to my own faults. I'll never beat a level without learning from my mistakes, and every time I die I learn something about the game and why I died. It's really only trial and error in that you'll die and repeat the levels a lot, but only because you suck at the game, not because the game itself is poorly designed.

Also, if a game throws something at you that you could not have avoided on your first try, it's trial and error. Something like a random instakill room; you wouldn't know not to go there without having done it at least once. Now imagine a game with 50 of these rooms per level. A good game would have hints and puzzles so you'll figure out which rooms will instakill you so you can avoid them the first time. In this way, when you do enter one it's because you were too stupid to figure out that it was going to do that.

tl;dr Trial and error implies that the game requires memorization and nothing else. A good game requires memorization and so much more.

>>136644096
> In SMB, you can succeed perfectly at first try. It's fucking hard, almost impossible
Big fucking deal, same with all trial and error games, assuming you're a magnificent genius that has top-notch reflexes. Oh wait...

>>136644338
Except you can't luck your way through the last levels of SMB. And you can't luck your way through the Dark World.

What's more
>What are continues ?
Anyone who watches Gamecenter CX know that most NES game can be beaten just by throwing oneself hundreds and hundreds of time against a level.

At least they're not tower defence games.

>>136643735
Did you ever play the game past world 1?
All the worlds had leveldesigns themed different, not only in art theme but in terms of danger elements. The gameplay is also not trial and error, because if you have the skill everything is predictable, it's simply just really fucking hard.

>>136644246
>mfw that ghost
>mfw the music literally goes down a pitch

Holy shit that chill man, that chill.

>>136644574
Yeah, we call that practice,
which is completely unnecessary in SMB because your progress is saved at the beginning of every. fucking. level.

>>136644070
>Infiminer

Kinda looks like a ripoff of Minecraft to me. Man, how unoriginal can you get?

At this moment in time, there's someone, somewhere, who thinks this. I guarantee it.

>>136644338
It's called practice.

Trial and error is like, if there are two buttons, on of them kills you and the other lets you advance. There is absolutly no way to know ahead of time which button is the correct one meaning that your only option is to just geuss and remember next time.

Trial and error is when you're walking down a hallway and without any warning whatsoever, spikes pop up and kill you. Meaning to get through you have to remember here the spikes are.

SMB doesn't have that. The traps are in plain view. Its not rial and error, it's practice makes perfect.

>>136644353
so limiting your lives and continues was the only thing that made all the well designed platformers of the past superior to SMB? that's frankly quite silly. if trial & error is TRULY all there is to the gameplay and reaction time doesn't matter, then the old games are WORSE for limiting your lives because they're punishing you for falling into unavoidable traps that you could simply not have seen coming.

but that's the thing - SMB, and the genuinely good 2D platformers of old, AREN'T based solely around trial & error. see this post >>136644096

>>136644070
Though I've played most of these, thanks for the list.

Also, don't forget about Ikachan. It's pretty much the precursor to Cave Story and worth a playthrough.

>>136644070
There's also this list: http://vsrecommendedgames.wikia.com/wiki/Freeware_Games

>>136644629
>THOSE BIG SAWS? NOW THEY'RE SYRINGES
>NOW THEY'RE SALT
>NOW THEY'RE LAVA

>>136644764
You could have left out the spoiler and add it in your email field, just to see how many would fall for it.

>>136643923
I heard you love to suck big nigger cock.

>>136644798
Except you have no practice because you can pass levels simply though blind luck.

>>136644070
I agree. There are so many great freeware games out there that get no attention. These designers splent years, in some cases, creating something simply because they cared about it, not for any sort of profit.

>For instance...

- Zombie City Tactics (turn-based tactical): >>136644408

- Whom The Telling Changed (interactive fiction): http://www.aaronareed.net/telling.html

- Emily Enough (adventure game): http://www.bigbluecup.com/games.php?action=detail&id=602

>>136635540
>>136635540

Mount and blade

amnesia

minecraft

>>136644812
>so limiting your lives and continues was the only thing that made all the well designed platformers of the past superior to SMB? that's frankly quite silly

No it's not, SMB uses infinite lives as a pretext to make everything require 100+ tries. It's not fun to die and restart the level at 3s intervals.

>>136644338
see
>>136644812

>>136644956
uh, not really? maybe in the first few levels but in later ones it's pretty impossible.

>>136639608
I get massive Ronald Jenkees vibes from this.
Then I googled it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smE-uIljiGo

Allso Space jam is fucking amazing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giAzopSy-g0&feature=plcp&context=C4fa14c6VPvjVQa1PpcFPx3R5gTN
IW1lZ7kRtcauXnRJrYe851JjA%3D

I heard that Fez has no deaths and no enemies. No WONDER so many game reviewers love the game.

>>136645080
I was asking about the whole "trial & error" thing, not whether you personally find it fun or not.

>>136644558
Wrong. Some games have stuff that is actually impossible if you don't know.

>Prisoners of the Sun (SNES)
>you walk
>OUT OF FUCKING NOWHERE
>something falls and kill you, only possible way to avoid is to know it's there before

>>136644956
You. Can't.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnWaZdupbe8
The Kid warp zone is fucking hard. You can't just pass that with only luck.
(on another note, here is a good example of trial and error, I Wanna Be The Guy)

What the fuck is wrong with you /v/? On one hand you hate on about soulless corps pumping out ggames purely for money, and on the other you hate on individuals crafting a game for the love of it and selling it cheap.

ur a faget /v/.

>>136645462
Can you read? I wanna know.

>>136645536
see
>>136643053

People want to be 'moderate' by hating on both.

This, and it's sequels, is how you do a puzzle platformer properly, it has enemies, death, lives, and overall good game design. Take a note indiefags.

Shame the furfags pretty much destroyed the franchise, like everything furfags touch.

>>136645478
Another World springs immediately to mind.

Good game, but entirely trial and error.

>tfw Japan has the same problem, but it's shmups instead of platformers

>>136645639
the only argument I've read is "it's not really about skill and reaction time but solely about luck" and well, I'm not seeing it.

I doubt someone could finish one of the really long and hard levels purely out of luck.

>>136643053
Or how about this, you psychos:

Judge a game based on how enjoyable it is - don't care about who made it.

Can we maybe try that?

>>136645692
Now don't get me wrong, I love me some fucking Klonoa, but it's not a puzzle-platformer. You never have to do anything more taxing than 'throw enemy at switch'. That is the extent of the 'puzzles' in the game.

It is, however, a FANTASTICALLY AMAZING 2.5D platformer, and I wish we had more of it.

>>136645536
Except many "indie devs" are doing the same thing as big companies.

At least dustforce is good

>>136645536
If they really made a game simply because the love making games, why not release it as freeware?

See
>>136644070
>>136644836
Those games were all made just so people can enjoy them. They don't ask for anything in return.

>>136645656
Yeah, or maybe we have actual reasons.

>>136645692
Ruined it? No, we gave it a firm injection of life, so much so that Klonoa's belly swelled with the love that he looked pregnant.

>>136645765
That reminds me - I hear a lot of people saying Japan produces a huge number of PC games.

But all I can find are shmups and visual novels. Are there any others?

http://seanmalstrom.wordpress.com/2012/04/15/independent-games-versus-ghetto-games/

>>136645765
You aren't implying Crimzon Clover is bad, are you?

I've played some horrible japanese indie shmups, though. For every good shmup there are about 30 awful ones.

Is... Is Airbuccaneers any good /v/?

>>136645983
If they can make money off of them, why not sell them? Because /v/ wants free games?

>>136646084
Sick bastards.

>>136645867
>>136645692
Klonoa 2 had more puzzle elements in it, though I dunno if it had enough of a focus on that to justify calling it a 'puzzle platformer'.

>>136645983
Errr, what if they want to make a living off it?

B-but i actually like SMB and Braid

>>136646246
not in the slightest. I just don't have a screenshot of a bad one on my computer.

I don't buy the bad ones

>>136646269
The what now?

>>136646269
Is that by the guys who did The Void and Pathologic? I know they did something like that.

Does Killing Floor qualify as indie?

It sure is shitty enough.

>>136646431
Then they should get a fucking job.

Also, all the damn download links for Bunny Must Die are gone. I remember a week ago or so they were up. What happened?

>>136646742
>Killing Floor
>shitty

People like you are the cancer afflicting gaming.

>>136643053

That's the ultimate in hipster fagetry.

>>136646742

>>136646769
>What if they want to live off making games?
>THEY SHOULD GET JOBS!!
Heard of self-employment?

>>136645983
>>136646431
I agree - I do tend to respect freeware game designers much more, because it's so obvious that they're dedicated and only do it because they care. But they should be able to earn a loving from it. So it's a compromise, I suppose.

>>136646821
>mfw
Cheers anon, today you were a champion

>>136645983

Nothing is free in this world. Even if you don't pay for it yourself, everything owes somebody something.

>>136646928

>>136646934
>I can't draw and have no budget so I'll make CPC-style graphics, it's understandable enough for the action

Yes, that's official. And that's referring to VVVVVV.

Own Meatboy and VVVVVV and pirated Limbo. Funny enough I liked Limbo the most.

Braid's okay, Limbo bored me, love VVVVVV.
>Fez
Haven't touched because Fish is a cunt.
>Super Meat Boy
Got it in one of those bundles, completely turned off from it by how much of a cunt McMillen is.

>>136646670
No.
>I know they did something like that.
Looks like they are yet another set of indie hacks trying to pass their ideas as original though.

Indie devs... Indie devs never change...

>>136646934
Oh fuck off.

>>136646934
La Mulana is influenced by the 8-bit art of the MSX/NES.
VVVVVV is influenced by the even lower resolution art of the Commodore 64.

They're both faithful recreations of the styles they're based on. You just don't like Commodore graphics.

>>136646934
i excused it since when i played it, it was flash
i'd rather have simplistic graphics for a flash game so it's not lagging all over the place

>>136644070
>Generic roguelike which is programmer's first game #453

>>136646934

I beg your pardon, but VVV's graphic style is homage to very early c64 graphics such as Shamus. In fact there's a c64 version of VVV which looks greate.

>>136646934
La-Mulana is a throwback to MSX games.
VVVVVV is a throwback to C64 games.

They both accomplish what they're aiming for.

>>136646908
Um... earn a living, I mean.

>>136646670
And you're thinking of Cargo - The Quest For Gravity.

>>136646184
this guy makes good points sometimes and frankly I think he's much smarter than most people who do similar 'edgy, controversial' writing, but his commentary on actual game design tends to bother me pretty often.
>nobody gave a shit about Yoshi's Island and Wind Waker, nobody cares about unique art styles, just focus on gameplay
>btw look at how awesome these video game songs are! they enhance the atmosphere so much!

though in the end I really can't hate him because it doesn't feel that he's writing to bolster his 'gamer status' or to fit into some 'super intelligent gamer' clique, he's just posting his opinions and that's it.

>>136647098
Hell, the loading screen was a direct reference to the C64 start up screen. How could you miss that? A retro art style does not have to be based off the NES and the NES alone

Its not like there are a lot of platformers coming from AAA devs. Someone's gotta make them.

>>136647326
Nintendo does, of it's a good year.
What I want is more Klonoa

>>136644070
>Cactus Arcade
Seizure Dome GOTYAY
I can never play a game the same way again.

>>136647075
I like Ice Pick Lodge.

When I play their games it never feels like they're trying to be weird - it feels like they're just insane. It's interesting.

DID SOMEONE SAY SOMETHING ABOUT SHITTY FUCKING ART GAMES?

>>136647058
>Fez
>Haven't touched because Fish is a cunt.
>Meat Boy
>completely turned off from it by how much of a cunt McMillen is.

Really? You're letting the creators' behavior influence your judgement? Fuck you and fuck everyone else hating on Fez because the creator is apparently a dick. Seriously, it's a fun game with a beautiful soundtrack and nice atmosphere. Stop depriving yourself of fun experiences because the creator is some massive manchild. Grow the fuck up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNuSvuzPL10

Why haven't you played Nitronic Rush

So I think what we can conclude from this is that yes, there are a lot of 2D 'retro'/stylistic platformers made by indie developers, but there are also a fair few other genres made by them, too.

Maybe not as many as we'd like, and it'd be nice if they'd broaden their spectrum somewhat in the influences they tend to take, but there's a fair bit more choice out there than perhaps some of us realised, and it's not all complete dogshit.

Also, Phil Fish is a cunt and everybody hates him.

Can we draw that conclusion together, and move the fuck on with our lives?

>hating on good vidya
>/v/

>>136647601
Holy shit, if they made multiplayer for it, we'd be playing it every night for months together.

>implying Cave Story isn't the absolute god-emperor of all of Indiedom.

>"WAAAAAAH! BABY MAD! I HATE UNIQUE INTERESTING ART STYLES! WAAAAAAAAH! BABY WANT GENERIC SHIT! D:"

Never change.

>>136647589
Because I don't want to willingly give my money to a douchebag. Tell me when the PC version comes out and then maybe I'll give enough of a shit to pirate it.

>>136647658
Your logic would be flawless if there wasn't one fatal contradiction.

>Indie games
>Good

>>136647748
That's not hellsinker

I fucking challenge anyone to find a more pretentious game than this

http://www.alexanderocias.com/loved.php

>>136646908

Only because of your inflated sense of entitlement.

>>136647786
>indie games
>unique interesting art styles
Unless we're talking about Braid, I gotta say you're pretty easily impressed.

>>136647786
Except Fez's art style IS generic.

So much gamer entitlement in one thread.

>>136647786
>he thinks bad art skills and the inability to make proper graphics is interesting

Never change.