How Steam views EA:
http://www.joystiq.com/2011/09/03/valve-games-show-up-on-origin/
>While there is a bit of palpable tension between EA and Valve when it comes to the terms of service for Valve’s digital distribution service, Steam, it appears EA is willing to bypass said tension to make a few bucks off of Valve’s games with their own service, Origin.

How EA views Valve:
http://www.allgeek.tv/2011/06/16/ea-games-pulled-from-steam-and-released-on-origin/
>EA claims they had nothing to do with the removal of Crysis 2 from Steam. They did however express a desire to make their Origin platform more than just a place to download games, which would put them as a direct competitor to Steam.

Alright, /v/, now here's the hard part:

Based on past actions, guess which company is actually interested in furthering the gaming industry, and which company is interested in creating a monopoly?

For bonus points, guess who I want to buy my games from when given the choice?

it's easy for valve to say that when they have the most intrusive DRM in the world.

Both companies would love to do both things. They're businesses, not faries.

wow what a brick just to conclude that you're a valvedrone

I pirate games from both companies equally.

I'll be honest though, EA is barely worth the bandwidth anymore.

Games that are worth the money nowadays don't have DRM or at least give you other options than installing the steam botnet.

>>136379306

Ahahaha, what?

>>136379487
how is that EA cock treating you

>>136379306
>Basically optional DRM
>Intrusive

>>136379306
>only took one post before most intrusive DRM herpa derpa showed up

I think people forgot about starforce and securom..

keep marketing ea gorilla marketeers

>it's easy for valve to say that when they have the most intrusive DRM in the world.
Origin scans your computer.

Steam doesn't. How in the flying fuck does Steam have the most intrusive DRM in the world?

>>136379541
>service problem
>create a "service" that requires you to constantly be online to play games
this fosters piracy

Big whoop, ea are biggots nowaydays.

Say what you want to, but i'm going to continue sucking valve cock for a while

>>136379584
>neko
How do you even misspell noko so brutally?, i mean o and e are miles away

>>136379306
you know if you can't even be bothered to make up a believable lie you won't be an EA employee for much longer

>>136379306
>Steam
>The most intrusive DRM in the world
What? Steam is the LEAST intrusive DRM

>>136379705
>Always online to play games

Jesus Christ, do you people mindlessly follow the most negative bullshit /v/ says?

>>136379705
are you that retarded seriously?
ever heard of this neat lil' thing called "offline"-mode ?

>>136379729
you know it's true. why do people deny this? can you play your steam games without an internet connection?

>"We think there is a fundamental misconception about piracy. Piracy is almost always a service problem and not a pricing problem," he said. "If a pirate offers a product anywhere in the world, 24 x 7... then the pirate's service is more valuable."

I've been saying this for years. Torrenting and the like should be viewed as competition rather than a target for a ridiculously expensive team of lawyers. It only gets easier and easier to pirate when they enforce worse and worse DRM too.

>>136379584
is good, long and hard as always

Both of these are DRM, therefore I pirate.
I only buy ancient games that don't have DRM.

>>136379856
Yes I can.

We've been over this a million times.

I'm not retarded enough to try and play TF2 while offline.

>>136379705
or were you referring to origins?

>>136379856
YES. Offline mode or just running the .EXE directly from your steam folder.

>>136379841
offline mode that REQUIRES you to log in, you need an internet connection.

>>136379793
Wow, how deluded you are. Stay mad, valvedrone.

>>136379705
>create a "service" that requires you to constantly be online to play games
But that's wrong, you only have to be online to play multiplayer games, every other game can be played offline.

>>136379705
>requires you to constantly be online to play games

That's funny, because on Steam the only games that you have to be online to play are the 3rd party games that have their own DRM built into the executable.

>>136379856
>can you play your steam games without an internet connection?
Yes

>>136379705

This makes it the most intrusive DRM in the industry? Something that has been done frequently in the past?

I might not think Steam is the greatest thing ever and I know for a fact Steam is a pretty abysmal service but son, people like you make me think I should support Steam even more just to spite your retardation.

EA will ban you from games for shit in youtube videos and or forum posts if you are identified.

Fuck them. As soon as that company dies the better.

>>136379931
one time you fagat...

you DL the game -> go offline and never need to go online again....

I don't really see a problem with DRM necessarily.

Don't get me wrong, Ubi, GFWL, Securom, they're all BAD versions of DRM that simply limit the customer. And Steam isn't the most polished thing either, but I don't necessarily see how it's a bad thing. Yeah, it's not as easy as starting up an exe and the game starts, but to say that game companies shouldn't be protecting their assets is simply silly. Yes yes, CDProjekt doesn't have DRM, but remember that they have a very niche audience, whereas Steam has a much larger one.

>>136379856
I can.

Yeah yeah, we all know EA are the big bad guys. Still, I'll never accept Valve's high horse DRM bullshit press releases until they get rid of their own and stop subtly pushing criticism towards other distributors/publishers.

>>136380135
BUT LOL WHAT ABOUT IF THE LIGHTS GO OUT. I WON'T BE ABLE TO PLAY BECAUSE OF STEAM, NOT BECAUSE THERE'S NO ELECTRICITY
LOL

>>136379931
>Log into Steam
>Click "Restart in Offline mode"
>Log into Steam in Offline mode
There, you can now use Steam whenever you want, as many times as you want for the rest of your life, and you'll never need an internet connection ever again.

>>136379705
>create a "service" that requires you to constantly be online to play games
But it doesn't.

Both companies would love to create a monopoly. Valve basically has a stranglehold on the PC market. Developers are too fucking lazy to actually put content on discs, so you have to download it from Steam anyway. I've heard good things from GoG, I'll probably start using that.

>>136379412
>Both companies would love to do both things

Valve's attitude on pirates:
>Those guys are providing a service we're not. If we're going to compete, we need to make our own service better.
True to their words, they even made their games be downloadable on Origin, even after EA pulled it's titles from Steam.

EA's attitude on games:
>Those guys are providing a service we're not. Arrest the fucking assholes and stop them.
EA's idea of "Anti-piracy" is releasing a demo and expecting that to be enough to convince pirates to spend money. That's not providing a "service", that's just releasing a half finished game. Furthermore, they openly say they are hunting down pirates.

If simply improving their services means that Valve is trying to create a monopoly, then obviously, we should just quit moving forward and simply stop everyone else from progressing.

>>136380195
>has only bought EA and Activition games via Steam

>>136379856
Get ready to lose your job as an EA shitposter you ugly gook

>>136380248
What would be wrong with a Valve monopoly? Even if Steam wsa the sole distribution service, guess what, Valve doesn't set prices for anything except their own games. The developers set their own prices.

So you would not be harmed in any way.

EA marketing cock suckers all up in this bitch.
How does it feel that no one is buying into your stupid bullshit and you're about to get laid off?

>>136379945
Okay, out of the DRM's out there, you have to admit it is one of the least intrusive.

>>136380037
>>136380037

Good thing I suck EA's cock.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1h_jXfhaPI

I have no problem with it either.

>>136380250
> they even made their games be downloadable on Origin

No they didn't. All Valve games on Origin are box copies.

Impulse appears to have some download Valve games. Or did for a little while, anyway.

>>136380154
This.

Origin easily has the most invasive DRM. They are openly trying to stop pirating, while Valve is only saying "If you can provide a better service without our help, we invite you to do it".

Valve isn't trying to stop the competition with their DRM. EA is.

Stay buttmad valvedrone autists.
Oh and youre DRM is the most intrusive and privacy endangering thing that there currently is.

>>136380431
A monopoly is always bad, even if the policies behind a company are procustomer.

Good thing Steam has competiton, even though it's all mostly terrible in big scope comparison.

There's a market for everyone.

>>136380279
You completely avoided my point and resorted to a tired Valvedrone response. Please try again you mongoloid.

I'd suck Steam's dick, I'd suck Steam's dick good

I already have, for years

>>136380542
>youre
Holy fuck...

You were supposed to be subtle, EA. Christ, do you even learn?

>>136380154
What YOU'RE forgetting is that a large amount of /v/ posters fall within that niche, and laud everything CDProjekt does as the way forward for games (ie. GOG)

DRM is not inherently evil, but companies that are considering pirates and licenses before consumers and customers (which is the majority across all tech business) have made it a bad word.

easy solution, do not buy or download any EA games

>>136380590
Your commentary implies you buy games, if you have ever used steam, that have their own methods of DRM that bypass Steam. GFWL, EA's Cerberus crap, etc.

If you bought games, you know, like good ones, you might have noticed many of those, if not all of the ones that are not online multiplayer ( a logical deduction) can run even with Steam uninstalled.

>>136379856
yes you fucking retard

I use both

:)

>>136380357
>>136380357
>>136380357
>you ugly gook

I nearly spat my jalapeno corn chips everywhere.

>>136380542
>Oh and youre DRM is the most intrusive and privacy endangering thing that there currently is.
You're kidding, right?

Do you not see what EA is trying to pull?

>EA in charge of PR

Quit having your mooks shit up our board, you will never, ever win us over.

>have Steam set to auto-sign in
>auto offline mode if no internet
>works every time

yup, sure is online-only here

>>136380572
But I don't want my video games split between two separate communities. I want them all to have Steam community integration so I can chat with my friends.

>>136380542
>Stay buttmad valvedrone autists.
>>>>>>Oh and youre DRM is the most intrusive and privacy endangering thing that there currently is.


>>>>>>>>>>mfw not Origin
>>>>>>>>>>>>> alsotrusting Origin to scan your shit, while not trusting Valve a business that has existed for YEARS as a DRM

EA is cancer. Origin uses your computer like a bot.


/Thread.

>>136380847
I agree with this.
In this case a monopoly would be best.

See
>>136380727
This faggot gets it.

If you are fine with their practices just use their services. Personally I don't like ANYTHING about Origin, including it's relation to the worst publisher out there that goes out of its fucking way to KILL and MAIM franchises, both casual and older ones.

jewish homosexual interested in creating a monopoly and prosecuting individuals?

First time this has EVER happened amirite?

this reeks more of trolls trolling trolls than EA damage control

just saiyan

>>136380629
>>136380789

Holy fuck you two are buttmad.

Dont you see how much autistic you two are, valvedrones?

>>136380898
>BobbyK420

>implying this isn't just /v/irgins pretending to be EA marketers arguing with other /v/irgins who know they're not real

>>136380942
Not buying it.
Just sayian.

>>136380898
>BobbyK420

>>136380942
These days that's the same.

Remember the EA PR MO is to distract and derail.

>>136380898
EA SPAMMED THEIR SHITTY PROPAGANDA SITE USING THEIR OWN CUSTOMERS AS A BOTNET??

>>136380542
How is it intrusive again?

EA marketers, I think I should let you know that we will always hate EA for what they did to Pandemic, Westwood, Bullfrog, and Maxis, and we will never support you as a result.

NEVER FORGET

>LOL STEAM IS MOST INTRUSIVE DRM
>Uh, no it's not
>LOL STAY DELUDED VALVEDRONE HAHAH WOW

Really, EA? You can't even pay your marketers to come up with even the most basic of arguments?

>>136381039

Christian Bale is out of work?

>>136380896

>mfw you are actually buttmad and are showing it
>mfw i dont have a face

I've noticed way more EA marketers here today than usual.

What gives, EA? Why are you trying too hard?

>>136380460

>honest mass effect 3 review
>consists of a retard attempting to read the back of the box and giving his first impressions on the pretty pictures

>>136380572
OP here.

I honestly agree. Competition is a wonderful thing. But EA actively tries to destroy its competition while Valve just challenges the competition to provide a better service.

Yeah, I'm not a fan of DRM. No one is. But I hardly see how it's invasive when Origin is on an active search-and-destroy mission against all pirates, while Valve is just stopping them from using their service.

>>136381103
thanks for reminding me

>>136380838
yep thats a good way to go offline.
yesterday i lost my internet conection due a problem with my provider in my country, i wanted to play dota 2 but i end up playing in offline mode, medieval total war, mount and blade and stalker so even with no internet conection i enjoyed my games

I really don't understand how Steam is intrusive at all and since I've never seen anyone making an argument for Steam being the most intrusive DRM I'm assuming it's just retarded trolls.

>>136379306
I think not bro. Look up StarForce. It can get much worse.

EA is a bunch of cocksuckers

Its like every day some new bullshit comes out about EA screwing people over and generally being a bunch of cuntbags

Never gonna buy another one of their shitty products again, pirating ftw

>>136379669

Starforce... good fucking god, I remember the rage that caused me with purchased games. There was a game I had, I had to crack and bypass starforce just so I could play it.

reducing piracy is pretty legit IMO and DRM is a relatively harmless way of doing that

the game industry will never die because of piracy, but it keeps the developers from making decent profits

why not stop criminals from shoplifting? fuck you

>>136381157
That's probably true. How sad is it that damage control and your average /b/tard are indistinguishable?

>>136381004
I think it's a combination of marketers, devastated biodrones, and trolls

>>136381340
Imagine how shitty EA must be if pirates proceed to not pirate their shit, and buyfags proceed to pirate.

>>136381157
This.
I mean, no. Seriously. What the fuck is going on.

/v/ has always disliked Valve's DRM. But to suddenly start complaining about how "invasive" Steam is when Origin is clearly worse? And then Gabe is suddenly a Brony, a Hipster, and a Macfag all wrapped up into one in just 2 weeks?

This reeks of "Creative advertising".

>>136381602

/v/ never disliked Steam, you were trolled.

woo

>>136380638
it's hard. don't hate on EA marketers so much.

it isn't easy to learn the nuances of /v/.

but it sure is fun to watch them try.
>blatant misinformation
>racism just popping up in their posts for no apparent reason in an attempt to look cool/try to fit in
>misusing reaction images or just using plain random images
>trying hard, really hard, to push terrible opinions that are just downright wrong(i.e. attacking valve in the most asinine way possible)

i'm going to need a gif for my reaction to this thread.

>>136380898
Proven fake. You'd have to be a fucking idiot to think that was real in the first place.

>inb4 damage control EA marketer faggot drone mook

>>136381602

I bet John Rizzipizzi is sitting in front of his PC and single-handedly tried to smear on Gabens good reputation.

>>136381670

actually, /v/ has always been pretty divided regarding steam. A lot like it; others are purely anti-drm and hate it.

>>136381602
Gabe likes iPads, for obvious reasons, and he admitted to watching MLP. Those are facts that personally are not even worth mentioning, there's many reasons to hate someone but not that.

/v/ has a general acceptance of Steam, there's some freedom fags (the sames who think android is actually good except than a failed potential) but mostly everyone accepts that Steam's service is among the best for PC gaming.

What is actually going on in this thread.

>>136379306
5 star troll post 10 outta 10 nigga

>>136381889

we need t-cells?

>>136381771

Nope, it's relatively recent trolling.

>>136381161 that picture
Why is he wearing glasses if he's retarded?

>>136379306
What are StarForce and T@ges?

>>136381765

>>136381967
Even retards need to see the light.

>>136381836
>android
>not good
>implying iphone is better

I shiggy diggy doo

How long would /v/ pretend they hate valve?

...except many pirates will still pirate a game even if it has everything they want.

That is something that you faggots have taught me.

>>136381467
Because the actual money lost from shoplifters is infinitesimal compared to the money lost through employee theft and embezzlement (20-40 billion annually compared to 300 billion annually)

and yet you dont see a bunch of white-collar employee-thieves filling up the prisons do you?

i like vidya, but capitalism is a load of shit

>>136381967
Wearing glasses makes you smarter, so they gave him glasses to make him less retarded.

>>136382065

As long as it's an effective troll.

>>136382029
Android is good on paper, it has failed to achieve usefulness because of the division in all of the hardware that runs it.

It's a fine toy to mess around, but I'd never use it for more the messing around with custom roms and seeing if I can workaround the limits each device has.

iPhone is sort of better, sacrificing the open system the Android has. But usually you don't need that.

>>136381769
I just visuallized Gabe and John personally coming to /v/ just to troll each other

My sides. I can't hold them.

>gaben
>not for the advancement of vidya

>>136382080
> 20-40 billion is infinitesimal to 300 billion.
> infinitesimal
I liek ur maths bro.

>>136382080
>be poor and steal a few hundred bucks
>spend years in prison
>be rich and steal billions of dollars
>get off scot free
FUCK THIS GAY COUNTRY SERIOUSLY

>>136379669
>securom
Why did you have to remind me? It's run may have been short but it completely ruined some good games...

People go to the effort of counterfeiting physical goods

You will never stop people doing that. Ever.

Doing the same with digital stuff is easier by orders of magnitude.

You will never stop it. ever.

ever

ever

never ever ever

As much as that might stick in your craw, it is the truth. I'm not saying you shouldn't try and tackle it at all either but when you come to the point of harming the product you intend to sell to your legit customers (Diablo 3) in order to hamper the activities of cheats and pirates, somethings gone wrong.

>valve most intrusive DRM
Tell me how

All I see is "hurr valvedrone so deluded xD" well fucker, tell me how. explain it to me. Oh wait, you can't. Hop on the bandwagon more, fuck face.

EA's Origin service needs work, but it will surpass Steam soon enough.

>>136382438
Precisely. Most of what OP posted from Valve is Gabe mentioning it's useless to even attempt blocking them. It's better to lure them into using their service by being a better service.

And it has worked marvelously with many piratefags.

>>136381765
>>136381765
>>136381765

Where's the proving? I never heard about any proving and I've been on this since it came out.


Link me the proof. And EA saying it wasn't them isn't proof. EA lies.

>Steam
>Not the most intrusive/invasive DRM in history of mankind

ISHIGGY DIGGY

>>136382536
>Blueb

>>136382359
what good games? I never heard of securom.

>>136382657
>Anon
You're the worst pone

>>136379263
>Based on past actions, guess which company is actually interested in furthering the gaming industry, and which company is interested in creating a monopoly?

Both applies for both, chucklenuts.

Horrible thread, I'd give you an F.

>>136382528

>>136382528
your bacterial is showing

>>136382536
>shipping period

>>136382704
s-shut up

>>136382073
That's true. But again, you just need to trust people.

I originally pirated F.E.A.R. 1 and F.E.A.R. 2. Played them, enjoyed them, loved them. Never really understood why /v/ didn't care for them, but I thought they were good.

A few years later, I'm looking through steam's store and I see both of them on their service. I decided, "What the hell", and bought the first game. Played wonderfully, had a great time. So I went ahead and bought F.E.A.R. 2 and 3 as well.

There are countless games that I have pirated but not bought yet. But seriously, Steam just makes it easy enough for me that when I'm buying games that I pirated, I legitimately feel like I'm just paying for their service.

There's even been a few cases where I've gifted games that I originally pirated. The best time to plant a tree is 20 years ago. The second best time is now. And if I want to give my friends something that I loved playing when growing up, I like to spend the extra money so that service stays up.

EA viraIists
EA viraIists everywhere

>>136382680
bioshock
masseffect

>>136381247

You would be correct in that assumption. There is no evidence ever given for Steam being "intrusive DRM." Most arguments against it are not only incorrect, but embarrassingly so. I know I'm waiting to see such proof that Steam is as bad as, say, Origin.

>>136381103
fucking idiot
>ignore DICE

Hey, just your daily reminder that if you use Origin or Steam, you are not part of the master race.

>>136382771
>>136382781

Steam was a piece of shit at first, but everyone loves it now. The same will happen with Origin.

>2012
>not understanding how offline mode works
>shiggy diggy doo, where are you?

>Piracy is almost always a service problem and not a pricing problem.
IMHO that is absolutely correct, to me, steam is really really convenient, I can buy games with a few clicks and without ever getting out of my chair
If your game is easier to play as pirated version you are definitely doing something wrong
People pay for convenience
get that into your fucking heads

It dont matter both steam and origin will fall to gog

>>136382972
>implying dice wasn't always shit ti begin with

>>136382528
That's what I'm worried about.

Here you have Valve offering games to EA. And yet you don't have EA offering it's games to Valve.

As a consumer, do you know what kind of message the puts in my mind? It says to me that Valve is more interested in having people play their games, regardless of who distributes them. In my mind, you couldn't be further away from trying to create a Monopoly.

>>136382987
Actually, no. Everyone will always compare Origin with Steam, which will make it look bad.

There's no way around this.

>Valve sucking pirates's dicks to promote Steam

That's just marketing ... We all know most pirates a fucking entitled cunts who would rather pirate even the best games than spend if only $15.

Though I agree DRMs only exacerbate things.

Valve saying piracy isn't a pricing issue and pirates aren't cheap fuckers is BS.. While making sales on the time on their titles which aren't as nearly as expensive than let's say Battlefield3 or MassEffect3.

>>136380942
that is literally what every pro-ea comment on this site is, /v/ is full of paranoid hysteric children

>>136383012
>gog only sells old games

How exactly?
GoG is pretty awesome but unless they're expanding to current games they aren't taking anything

>>136383084

Which means Valve has no problem when Origin destroys Steam. Gaben knows what the future holds and is preparing for that future.

>>136383110

And Steam was compared with other services at the time, which made it look bad.

>>136383121
I tried running this through Google translate but it didn't help.

Anyone got any ideas what it was talking about?

>>136380135
until you go online again

>>136379306
But they actually don't. EA and others have gone through several generations of DRM, many far more intrusive that in many cases actually kept legitimate players from playing their games at all on or offline. Even origin has banned entire accounts, all games, of the wrong people when attempting to hit entirely different people.

>>136383012
GoG is a piece of shit and they don't even develop their own games.

Why would I ever trust a service provider who has little to no experience with its consumer base to begin with?

Steam>>>Origin>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>G
oG

>>136382528
>>136382528
>>136382528
>>136382528
>>136382528
>>136382528
Doubtful. If more people were aware of how bad Origin spyware was they wouldn't use it.


>>136383136
Some marketers are better than others.

>>136379931
Of course you need, why and how are you buying games on steam if you don't have internet connection?

>>136383242

Keep being mad drone ..

>>136383220
Care to mention any of these service providers you mentioned?

The quality difference is too large here. Sorry mate.

>>136383121
> entitled

God dammit... i bet a few weeks ago some people even didn't knew this word even existed...

>>136382346
Actually i was talking about mid-level managment and employee theft, not corporate theft which is a whole nother can of worms. Even the most conservative estimates based on corporate-funded reports say that corporate crimes reach well over 400 billion dollars annual loss

worst they have to do is pay 300 million and promise to stop being a bunch of greedy assholes, prison is too embarrassing for rich people

>>136382528
Why would a service that accuses me of being a criminal every five seconds, every time I look at a game, every time I buy a game, every time I download a game, every time I install a game and every time I try and play a game be considered something that would surpass any other better service?

>>136383242

No idea, sounded like he tried to twist a good thing into a bad thing to make Valve sound stupid but it completely backfired.

>>136379669
StarForce...that, it lead to my permanent boycott of all Ubisoft products, I will not, will. fucking. not. break it until they return to me my fifty dollars for Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory.

Your shitty Eastern Bloc DRM doesn't fry my fucking OS and you get off the hook.

>>136383242
>>136383475

Valvedrones, valvedrones everywhere.

>>136383121
Yes, they make money off of making games cheaper. Which is exactly their point in saying it's a pricing issue.

Steam won't let you play in off line mode if you haven't saved your credentials.

Which means that if you got a little bro or your dad on your PC but don't want them to have access to Steam, thus not saving your credentials, you cannot play in offline mode.

>>136382987
As a Steam user, I'm okay with this. Competition means Valve will have to give us better deals as incentives for us to stay with them. Competition means the customer wins.

>>136383612

Obvious samefagging actually.

>>136383612
Samefags, samefags everywhere.

>>136383220
>Which means Valve has no problem when Origin destroys Steam.
That's not the issue.

I'm the consumer. I prefer Steam. They were first. They view piracy as "competition" rather than "criminal". And I've loved just about every game they've made.

If EA genuinely thinks they can provide a better service than Steam, then they would allow their games to be on both Origin AND Steam. If EA goes back to letting Steam have their games, I'd consider getting an account.

But this whole issue just reminds me too much of what happened with Spore, and I am NOT eager to forget that. EA hasn't changed their ways. That's the message that I'm getting.

>>136379648
>Basically optional DRM
where's the option to not have to run a client to play my games
this is my biggest problem with steam

The only reason I don't pirate Valve games is that their games are shit.

>>136383623
no shit sherlock... how do you intended to get it on there pc anyway if you have no internet access?

>>136383739
You download a game, that doesn't require steamworks, and close steam.

Navigate to the Steam folder, then look for the game folder. Then run the exe.

Fin.

>>136383318

When you say Spyware, are you talking about the fake screenshots posted all over /v/?

>>136383362

Services that were like Direct2Drive. Direct2Drive came after Steam, so I'm not using that as an example.

>>136383432

EA is willing to listen to their customers more than Valve since they are trying to break into the digital distribution market. That's why.

>>136383654

That's also a good point. There's no reason to hate Origin when Origin helps you, even if you don't use it (though you should).

>>136383735

Valve was bad for EA. That's why EA games aren't on Steam.

>>136383821
>You download a game, that doesn't require steamworks
what
no, i buy my games off amazon because they're cheaper
i'm talking about steamworks titles

>playing games from either company

but I'll go with Steam as the superior platform, easily.

Why can't I play WoW offline? This is fucking bullshit.

>>136383865
>When you say Spyware, are you talking about the fake screenshots posted all over /v/?
the screenshots aren't fake, but they are outdated and misinformed

>>136383865
keep trying EA

>>136383121
But it is.
I can't buy New Vegas on Steam (even tough in requires Steam to run) AND i can't buy New Vegas DLCs at all because of [apparently] the deal between local publisher and Bethesda.

To get New Vegas: Ultimate edition legally i had to trade my CS:GO invite for it.

>>136383619

They are saying it's not a pricing issue, but rather the quality of your service that matters.

That's quite funny from a company which has to put their games into sale that fast to sell them.

Moreover Valve hasn't been working on anything ambitious since HL².

They are just a bunch of hypocrites who can only count on the sympathy from the PC community to sell their shit.

Valve hasn't released a great game since long, and Steam is just another DRM..

>>136383865
>Services that were like Direct2Drive. Direct2Drive came after Steam, so I'm not using that as an example.

>Proceed to give no example.

Bork bork.

>>136383865
>Everything he said

>>136383872
I answered your question. If the developer of the game you bought made it mandatory to have Steam it's not Steams fault.

>>136383623
And that's why you both pirate AND buy games on steam.

That way, when you want to play on Steam, you play on Steam. If you don't want to play on Steam, then you don't play on Steam. Furthermore, Valve isn't trying to eliminate pirating. They just say "Don't use our servers to play pirated copies".

I hardly see how that's unreasonable, especially compared to:
>EA's anti-piracy work includes supporting law enforcement agencies around the world in their pursuit against enterprises and individuals engaged in piracy.

>>136383865
>EA is willing to listen to their customers

>Always do what we say
https://jobs.ea.com/about/our_values/

suuuurreee... your marketing shows

And I got my quota for today. This job would be much easier if EA gave me some information about their services.

Time to drink myself to sleep again.

Pirates will just crack the game and get access to te DLC.
Always happens. They're idiots for thinking otherwise

>>136384119

Oh god I lol'd.

The problem is, most of you are retards and don't understand shit.

Valve is no different than EA, both want YOUR money and MORE money.

The only difference is in how they get it.

>>136384217
We understand that. But one doesn't fuck you and everyone in the industry over to get it.

>>136384160

Working for EA is a nightmare, especially in India.

>>136379841
>>136379835
It makes me wonder if the people who say this shit have even clicked on "Steam" in the toolbar.

It's been available since Steam was released...

>>136383865
>spyware blah blah, they clearly show Origin scanning every file on the host computer

>D2D not an example, so I'll just not give an example

>EA listening to customers
HAHA no. if they did, they'd have put out a new Road Rash game ages ago.

>Origin helps you, you should use it
Why would I want shitty bloatware from EA?

>Valve was bad for EA

So, wait, Valve's policy of getting games to the customer with as little hassle as possible

was BAD for EA?

>>136384007
What does
>just another DRM..
Even mean? I could pirate these games if I wanted. I could crack them too. But what steam offers is a very effective and high quality online service. And unlike Xbox live, it's actually free, not $5 a month.

>>136384282
>We understand that. But one doesn't fuck you and everyone in the industry
right, valve is focused specifically on destroying pc, while ea just goes after everything

>>136384217
duh.. but onw is a total asshole who insults you for actually buying there stuff and the other is not a total dickward, actually offers games quite cheap.

>>136384397
>right, valve is focused specifically on destroying pc
Explain this

>ITT: trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls trolling Valvedrones

>>136384359
>But what steam offers is a very effective and high quality online service.
and you can't opt out of it, so it's an annoying ass drm client to many

>>136384217
Valve is the lesser of two evils, and all of my friends game there.

Unless EA starts giving away some of their most popular games for free (Like Valve has done on countless occasions), I have no motivation to move to their service whatsoever.

I'm sorry for the terrible marketing, by the way. I just don't know anything about EA or Origin except for the fact that I get paid by the post, but I can never go above a certain pay each day.

>>136384530
2003-2004 attempt to destroy lan in a rage after carmack revealed powerplay to be a scam

>>136384397
Steam is the reason I stay on PC as many others. How did you come up with such an argument?

>>136383865

>Valve was bad for EA. That's why EA games aren't on Steam.

Actually when selling a game on Steam you must sell the DLCs on the Steamstore.

EA wanted to sell their DLCs themselves without having to give a cut to Valve.

Origin is just EA's way to get maximum profit for their DLCs.

Origin doesn't have any ambition other than this.

>>136381771
Newfag spotted. /v/ has unanimously loved Valve and Steam up until the past few months.

>>136384072
I do think you're a cock mongler.

First of all, EA is one of the most horrible and blood sucking publishers out there and comparing anyone to them to make a point, isn't a good idea.

Secondly, you're somehow implying that Valve is somehow alright with me playing their games without steam.

Which is fucking BULLSHIT.

They've forced me to install Steam to play a single player game like HL2.
Just because I can avoid that by pirating the game, doesn't mean that it's actually Steam's feature you shitty retard.

>>136384616
because i didn't enter online gaming only this generation

i still have long lasting irc connections, rendering steam a useless, unwanted, MANDATORY service

>BF3 not being on Steam

>>136384550
You have to OPT IN on it in the first place. So if you don't like it just don't go there.

>>136384550
Okay, so instead of having EA keep it's games on Steam, the obvious solution is that they should make their own form of DRM so that gamers have yet another one to deal with.

Yeah. Way to move gaming forward, EA. Assholes.

>>136384782
steam is mandatory if you want to play steamworks protected games
games not published by valve are capable of being infected with steamworks

you buy a retail disc, you cannot opt out of installing steam if you want to play the game
steam is mandatory, not optional, even if the user does not see any benefits from it

>>136384889
The only game I ever had that happen with was Dark Messiah of Might and Magic.

>>136383865
Oh god EA, your employees are too much

>>136384615
>2003-2004

>abandoned already in 2001...

at least try to use wikipedia EA marketeer

>>136384217
Aside from some children, everybody realises this. This does not need to be said.

But it's that "difference" in how they get our money that makes Valve so successful. They provide really good deals on a lot of games. The sales are just batshit insane. They offer a lot of new games, a lot of old games, games from AAA companies and games from companies who are just starting out.

Steam has made companies more successful than what they would have been just going it alone. Tripwire being the best example I can think of at the moment.

Valve even use Steam to update the games they created years ago. CSS, HL2, DoD:S are nearing 10 years old now but they are still updated.

They may be out to get our money, but Valve is at least giving their customers a reason to come back and do further business with them.

>>136384929
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_games_using_Steam_authentication

>>136384974
2003-2004 is when they dropped the hammer with their steam, essentially saying it was time for lan to die

>>136384626
This.

Plus, look at websites like GoG that EA has hired. A lot of their games don't even include their expansions. Dungeon Keeper is a prime example. It doesn't even include Gold.

How much does everyone want to bet that Gold gets charged extra when they finally add it to the service? If they ever do...

>>136384889
You should learn how to read. Find out if a game is using steamworks and don't buy it.

It's your publishers fault it even has Steamworks on, stop being retarded.

Nothing Valve says has any meaning until they stop fucking with the PC platform with their intrusive DRM bullshit.

>>136385214
>You should learn how to read. Find out if a game is using steamworks and don't buy it.
consolekinder logic

>>136385070
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_games_using_Steam_authentication
but the majority of those games need authentication in the original version.

>>136385301
Not really, if you have complaints about a publisher's chosen DRM, since they always fag it up and NEED to put it in their games, then those issues must be resolved with the publisher.

It's not steams fault.

So, logically, if you don't like steam you don't get stuff that has steam on it.

>Anyone who doesn't like Valve works for EA
The drone mind is very delusional, especially in these past few weeks.

>>136385070
thats why TF2 still offered a lan option...

It dosen't matter if you support Valve or what not.
But if you fall for EA/Ubisoft or Activisions schemes, then you're litteraly the cancer that is killing the vidya industry

>>136385396
>It's not steams fault.
it's steams fault for having their drm attached to a service that i can't opt out of
they could make a compact client, but they don't

they have a mandatory install storefront, and a whole bunch of other services that i do not desire

>valve: piracy isn't a problem. Oh, what's that, you want to buy one of our games? Just take this highly intrusive DRM up your ass first.

>>136385070
All valve's games still offer LAN Option. Maybe not on the GUI but through the console.

>>136385661
nigga youre about 100 posts too late, If I was your boss youd be fired right now.
I think Im gonna call EA and tell them how bad their marketing department is

>>136381765
Where's the proof then?

And I wonder how EA feels when the artbook for Alice:Madness Returns gave more profit than their actual game.

>>136385601
Steam developed it at the request of publishers who want DRM on their games. I'm not 100% sure, but if those publishers didn't want DRM then the games wouldn't have steamworks on them. Valve wants to sell games, if the cost is that some games have to have steamworks on them, they would rather put steamworks on them then not provide them at all.

I don't like it either but there are worse DRM than steamworks.

>>136385531
>>136385703
i wouldn't expect fresh out of consoles converts to understand what lan gaming actually was
you go ahead and believe that it was just local and listen servers

>>136385884
>lan gaming
>not null modem tcp multiplayer

get like me, son

>>136380205

You telling me you don't have a back-up generator in your home? Casual.

>>136385853
>I don't like it either but there are worse DRM than steamworks.
that's essentially what i'm saying
i don't like steam

reason: can't opt out of it

i will always pirate a singleplayer game if it requires steam or other similar shitty drm packed with aids (origin, gfwl, etc.)

and i will have infinitely less problems than paying customers.

>>136385514
Please forgive us.

Tensions are high in /v/ right now, and EA is legitimately trying to run a smear campaign right now. If you wanted to insult Steam any other time, I'd be totally cool with it. But right now, EA is trying to push their product, which is significantly worse than anything that Valve has done.

I'm sorry if valvedrones are coming across as assholes. But right now, Origin legitimately scares me more than anything else and EA has been doing some seriously sketchy things as of late.

>>136385989
Yes but even though it's called steamworks it is essentially the publishers DRM. You can't opt out of the PUBLISHERS DRM.

>>136386095
>You can't opt out of the PUBLISHERS DRM.
i don't care that it's drm, that's fine
i care that the drm is attached to an annoying ass storefront and instant messaging client that is mandatory to run and install

I want EA to die.

ITT EA Vs Valve team deathmatch

shazbot!

>>136386264
I dont think there is a single person who legitimately disagrees with you

>ctrl+f valvedrone 12 hits
>vdf 0

all your new shows....

>>136386335
>ehehehue i shazbo again XXD

>>136386212
so complain to the publisher

There are, indeed, valvedrones and EAdrones
but there's a difference

EAdrones are paid to do so

>>136386092

This. Allday erryday this.

>>136386462

I don't want to be considered an EAdrone, but I do need money.

>>136386462
>Implying Valve doesn't pay me

>>136386429
>so complain to the publisher
there's no reason i can't complain about both

i can complain at the publisher for using a service i don't like
i can complain at the service so hopefully, one day, it will improve to be something that isn't ass annoying

>>136386518
cant you at least put on a trip while youre working so we can filter your posts

>>136386518

Stay poor

>>136386462
Valve has given me a bunch of free games over the years.

Does that count as paying me? Because I am totally cool with that, if that's the case.

>Valvedrones are deluded as fuck about Steam being a DRM
>implying isn't EA shit too with their online passes and other restrictions

Fuck off Valvedrones/EA marketers.

>>136386605

I will next time. I got my quota for today earlier.

It's funny watching Valve in full damage control mode now that there are large scale stirrings within the community against the shameless corporate-interest DRM the company is peddling.

A major data mining digital content provider going for the pirate dollar? Priceless.

Burn, Valve. Burn.

I think Steam is stupid as fuck and Gaben is a fat piece of shit, but seriously EA is the devil incarnate

EA < Valve everytime

>>136387432
Infinitely better than the snake oil that EA is selling.

Just sayin', bro.

>>136383865
Wow, this is so obviously someone who tries to promote origin.

>companies are still talking about piracy as if it's a guy on a street corner selling bootleg DVDs

>>136387432
>It's funny watching Valve in full damage control mode now that there are large scale stirrings within the community against the shameless corporate-interest DRM the company is peddling

Where are these large scale stirrings? What is Valve doing for damage control? Where do you see this?

>>136383865
>EA is willing to listen to their customers more than Valve since they are trying to break into the digital distribution market. That's why.

EA never listens to anyone and kills people. Fuck you, you have blood on you hands for supporting them.

>being anally raped by EA is so terrible, lets got get anally raped by Valve instead, I hear they have Vasoline

People are actually proposing the idea that a monopoly industry will be good.

I... I... don;t know what to say. Except that you guys are cocktastic faggots from Penistard 69

Seriously you maggots. Get your shit together. That's one of the crappiest social engineering gambits I've seen for years. And I've seen some doozies post Telnet.

>>136388235
You have to be retarded to compare Steam to rape. It's not intrusive, you can play games online, and you can also use it to download demos and check what new games ware released. Also, Valve is an independent company who treats their workers right, and EA is megacorporation. EA will selll all your data to everyone for a bunch of dollars. Sorry.

This is the main reason why Valve is superior to EA:
http://www.computerandvideogames.com/262497/valve-refuses-to-sell-out-on-stock-market/

They don't have to please anyone but their customers.

/r/ing EA market drop

>>136388235
This. EA being worse doesn't make Valve good.

>>136388478
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7T_LT8-uuX4

>>136379306
>intrusive

>>136388689
Stop posting this shitty, half-assed ripoff video. It's terrible and no one wants to see it.

>>136387873

No doubt. I won't argue that.

Personally I don't use Steam, and never will.

>>136387873

Lurk moar.

>>136388467
>It's not intrusive
You have to be a Valvedrone to think having shit installed and running on your PC is better than not having these things

>you can play games online and you can also use it to download demos and check what new games ware released.
Thank you Internet, but what does this have to do with Steam?

>Also, Valve is an independent company who treats their workers right, and EA is megacorporation.
Too bad they never contributed anything to the industry except bland FPS and shitty engines, and somehow they think this gives them the liberty to install shit on my PC

>EA will selll all your data to everyone for a bunch of dollars. Sorry.
If you say so, there's a tremendous amount of citation going on here, but even if EA did this it wouldn't make Steam any less shitty and unnecessary.

Valve is for ponyfuckers
Also
>buying games

>>136381185
that is the difference bettween a company and a great company.

valve knows business and competition are one in the same. EA thinks competition is a threat to their business and they want to be a monopoly. that is why they constantly buy out developers to be devoured and consume their intellectual property just to be sat on under their fat lazy asses.

once EA is destroyed there will be other competition out there. hell even shitty Gamestop is realizing that digital downloads are 100x better then the shit they are doing.

>>136389185

>You have to be a Valvedrone to think having shit installed and running on your PC is better than not having these things

I barely even notice it.

>Thank you Internet, but what does this have to do with Steam?

I meant offline. Unlike other DRM you can play the game without any internet connection.

>Too bad they never contributed anything to the industry except bland FPS and shitty engines, and somehow they think this gives them the liberty to install shit on my PC

You are installing it, not them. And their games are far from shitty. Especially Portal series and CS.


>If you say so, there's a tremendous amount of citation going on here, but even if EA did this it wouldn't make Steam any less shitty and unnecessary.

But Steam have good functionality other than being a DRM, so I don't mind. People who said they had troubles with DRM are just overblowing things.

>>136383865

I've never called bacterial on a post before, but holy fucking shit this is bad.

>>136381947
we need T-virus

>>136389689
>I barely even notice it.
Stopped reading there

ITT: EA have realised they have fucked with the wrong niggers and no one in the industry likes them enough to help them out either.

Definitely time for a Steam virus.

One that deletes your game folder and suspends your account.

Oh those delicious tears...

>>136383865
>EA
>willing to listen to their customers

>>136390884
Why? What would that prove?

>>136391329
how bitter he is that people hate his favorite publisher.

Provides additional security by ensuring mandatory online software activation at first launch. Protected software is bound to user’s hardware settings. Different licensing modes are supported: Try & Buy (Trial), Try & Die, Buy Only, Subscription and Lease.

oh dear god, my eye ... it burns!

so if you like, not a console pleb and u like change something (extra ram, new GPU) you lose your game?

>Genius

>>136390020
Then don't even try and start an argument, if you aren't even willing to read your opponent's

>>136393068
>b-but it doesn't affect me isn't an argument, it's straight droning, and it's evident that any discussion he makes is going to be him pressing his personal experiences or lack thereof to justify the unjustifiable. I'll argue all day, but the second personal experiences outweigh facts is the second the argument is no longer worth having.

1/2

2/2

Valve on getting banned from a single game
>If you get banned from a single game or lose internet connection, you do not deserve to be able to play any other games in your library

EA on banning/offline
>You purchased these games, you have every right to play them as intended but you may not play them online and ruin the experience for others

>>136393852
Source on the first claim?

>>136393852
lol
Ever heard of offline mode?

>Those who downloaded the Sims 3 only have access to one city out of the two. The second city is only delivered via the Internet after product registration, along with other content and access to the community. Essentially, those who pirate Sims 3 only get a portion of the full game.

Because it's entirely impossible to do exactly what I did and also pirate the extra stuff. Like everything they ever charged for on the Sims Store.

Fuck my shoe, EA just doesn't get it, do they?

>>136379835

>Jesus Christ, do you people mindlessly follow the most negative bullshit /v/ says?

Yes. Hating Steam and Valve is cool now.

>>136393852
How are you supposed to access your account without internet?
Its not stored in your computer.

>>136394437
Then at least something is right in the universe

If you don't save your credentials on your pc, you're not able to go off-line.

I like Steam, but valve drones are disgusting in denying this.

This is one of the reasons Steam is DRM and why people do not like it.

>Not just buying Atlus games
These guys do it right, at least.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3mkxrz693I&feature=relmfu
Pic semi-unrelated.

>>136393852
>Valve on getting banned from a single game
>If you get _BANNED_ from a single game or lose internet connection, YOU DO NOT DESERVE TO BE ABLE TO PLAY ANY OTHER GAMES IN YOUR LIBRARY

thats bullshit and you know it Origin fag
If you get VAC banned from lets say Cs1.6 you cant play on servers which have VAC as their anticheat system, but you still can play on unprotected servers, locally and you can still play OTHER GAMES IN YOUR LIBRARY

>>136394570

OMG IF YOU DON'T SAVE YOUR CREDITIALS LOCALLY YOU CAN'T ACCESS THEM IF YOU'RE NOT CONNECTED TO THE INTERNET! HOW TERRIBLE.

>>136394570
Why do you want to go offline without being logged in your account.
You want to play games that you didnt purchased?

>>136394570
This thing is there to prevent your account from being damaged/stolen/whatever on public computers.

like in internet cafes and shit

>>136394697
no

>>136394747
>>136394770
>point out their bullshit
>LEL WHATS THE PROBLEM I DON'T SEE IT

When I want to play my offline single player game, I don't want to be forced to connect to the internet.

>>136395009
But how do you want to play a game in your account, if you dont access your account?

>>136390020

I'm sorry you have such a shitty computer. I don't notice steam running in the background, it's made to be that way.

>>136394998
yes

>>136395009

You dont have to, just get this shit updated and restart steam in offline mode

Both EA and Valve can get fucked. And Microsoft, Apple, IBM, Intel, Sony and Nintendo to boot. If there's anyone I missed, they can can get double fucked, too.

We haven't seen a fundamental change to CPUs for the better part of 20 years and manchildren lap that shit up like their fucking lives depend on it. And you wonder why the industry is stagnant as an oilslick.

Fucking morons. The lot of them.

They are the cancer destroying the industry and people gyrate around tearing their arseholes open for the biggest corporate cock they can cram in their whoreholes, wooing and gasping with their runny mascara crying after their wares claiming one cock is better than the other.

But then, I learned never to trust a corporation, be it Faggotsoft, Gookbook, Cream, Borigin, Whateverthefuck.

They are all out to make money and in this day and age your personal information is worth real money to marketing bacterials. True story.

So you're welcome to gargle whatever horseshit they feed you, but I'll pass thanks. Installing a data miner to play games... GET THE FUCK OUT.

>>136395126
see
>>136393594

>>136395089
I already bought the game, what do I need the account for?

>>136395131
>you don't have to
You don't have do to what?

>>136395009

You're clearly the retard here who's missing the point. If the games are on your account how the fuck do you want to play them offline if you don't save your account credentials locally? You are not forced to connect to the internet, dipshit. What's so bad about saving your credentials on your computer? It's YOUR fault not Steam's.

>>136379306
10/10, you got a bunch of retards to reply to you.

>>136395131
No, we've all see the image of the guy getting banned by Valve administration after and him protesting the loss of thousands of dollars of games

>>136394770
>implying pirates need to go through steam to play pirated games

>>136395296
To be able to save your credentials, you need to be online.

>>136395287
You bought the game and activated it on steam, meaning that you activated a game in your account. How do you want to access your account without accessing your account?

>>136395296
>It's YOUR fault not Steam's [that Steam wont let you play games you purchased]

Move along folks, nothing to see here

>>136395438
I don't want to access my account, I want to play my game.

>>136395287
So, you want steam to be your download platform? Just download any game you want and apply a crack on it.

>>136379208

Hmm... which one of these is making huge profits and which one has lost money for the last 5 years straight and is laying off a thousand people?

In a world where I can get the product for free, you need to make me WANT to pay you. Valve treats me like a valued customer and gives me good value for my money (through sales mostly), so I have no problem buying stuff from them. EA on the other hand act like the biggest douchebags on the planet, continually push out unfinished products, try to rape me for every penny possible with DLC etc. and overcharges like crazy, so there's no chance in hell I'll give them a single penny.

>>136395216

Yeah except you did nothing but call him a drone and made no point in disproving it.

Show me just one instance where steam is a massive resource hog and affects performance. Oh wait you can't, you just resort to calling people "drones".

Having a positive opinion and experience with steam apparently makes you a valvedrone, amirite.

>>136395507
But your game is in your account. The same way all your personal files are in your computer account.
>But I want to go to the ATM and withdraw money without using my credentials.

>>136395534
>so you want steam to be your download platform

No, I don't want to use steam to play my off line games.

>apply a crack

That's illegal.

>>136395590
see
>>136389185

>>136393779

Honestly this looks pretty standard for terms of service. I guess that makes me a Valve-drone.

>>136389884
we need ouroboros

>>136395623
>but your game is in your account
I do not want that.

>>136395665
So, you want to play steam games without using steam?

>>136395742
IF you dont want that, don't use steam. Whats your point in all this?

>>136395738
The only bad thing about that is the part about not being able to use the product if you do not agree for your personal info to be collected

>>136379306
How do I apply for your job? You're not doing it very well. I could do it much better.

>>136395738
I think the point was to show that EA are fucking evil jews, while Valve actually has a very reasonable privacy policy.

ITT: Reasonable Steam enthusiasts and trolls

>>136395429

>To be able to save your credentials, you need to be online.

NO SHIT

>use steam
>buy games from steam
>download them
>bitch that you have to save your account credentials online

The first two obviously require a fucking connection, why would you use steam in the first place if you won't have a connection? Yet you did buy games and downloaded them. Am I missing something here?

>>136395806
But I like those games very much.

>>136395752
Yes. I would like it if steam was optional.

>>136395886
>I was only pretending

>>136395582

> Mpf*mpf*mpf OHHH GABE, I LOVE YOUR COCK!! HERE HAVE ALL MY MONEYS!!! *gag*drool

You're a fucking moron. People steal your PI and you ask for more girth. Honestly, this generation are assbackward retarded, I swear.

>>136395904
How do you want to use steam without having a steam account?

>>136395896
I've never bought a game online on steam.
I've only purchased to Orange Box.

I had no internet the week I bought it, so I couldn't install my game and play it since steam needed to be updated.

>>136395979
I want steam and my games to be 2 different entities, is this hard for you to understand?

>>136395942

lolwut? yumadtho?

>>136380448
nah, it's mid-tier in terms of intrusiveness. At least it doesn't force you to remove optical media emulation software like fucking securom, and/or break your OS. But it still requires you to create, log-in to an account, keep the client running. Offline mode is terribly buggy as well, often not even functioning when you have no net connection.

There's a lot of improvements that should be made, but it's not the worst DRM.

Personally, I'd prefer if it was just a library manager/social network/store rather than a DRM platform. Sometimes I just want to play my games...don't want to run steam, you know?

>>136396019
*purchased the

>>136395582

>See Burnout Paradise on steam for 3€
>HEY THIS LOOKS FUN AND IT'S REALLY CHEAP! I'LL BUY IT!
>Suspicious about it because it's an EA game so I scroll down the steam page of the game
>THIS GAME REQUIRES INSTALLATION OF SOFTWARE TO GIVE YOU INGAME ADVERTISING

Nope. Fuck you EA. The only bad thing about Steam is that they allow developers and publishers to pull this shit with their games on steam.

>>136396019

It's pretty obvious since day one that the orange box requires steam. It's YOUR fault for being retarded. Again.

>>136396019
In the back says "You must activate this product over the internet". You just failed to read.

>>136396278
>guy says that he doesn't want steam
>says he was forced to use steam and update it so he was unable to play his game
>tell him it's his fault for not knowing he needed steam

I knew I needed steam. The fucking orange box came with Steam.

I COULDN'T PLAY MY GAME SINCE STEAM NEEDED TO BE UPDATED (ie connect to the internet).

I'm not sure if we're communicating.

>>136396112
But you want to play a game that is in your account. And to access your account you must use the internet. IS that so hard to understand?

>>136396140


Yes you fucking putz, I'm 50 megatonne mad you corporate shitlicking, sperm-gargling cretin.

Couldn't you fucking tell, or do you need Valve/EA's permission to engage your birdbrain?

Jesus, godamn corporate whores are getting worse every fucking week.

>>136396373
You're right.
This is why I do not want steam to be connected with my games.

>>136396373
>>136396278

Why should it need Steam? If I bought a box that contains a game, why can't I just play that game?

Steam *is* DRM, there's no question about it. Ideally I'd be able to burn a standalone copy of my Steam games onto a DVD and use it even if Steam closes down tomorrow. Until they provide me with that I won't buy anything but a few dollar heavily discounted games on Steam.

>>136396112

>I want a service to magically be the way I want

It's simple, don't use Steam. Or just disable steam news and pretty much everything and just make it open your game library when you click the steam icon. There, now steam is just your library of games. What a crybaby.

Or if you don't want that, just disable everything, put the game's icon's on your desktop.

If not, don't buy games on steam and go be a whiny cunt elsewhere.

>>136396494
THAT'S EXACTLY I DO NOT WANT YOU FUCKING RETARD


IS THIS GUY FOR SERIOUS HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLY FUCK I MAD

>>136396493
But it says on the back "requires internet"
Are you that stupid?

>>136396494

The game isn't "in your account". That's nonsensical. The game is on my HDD.

>>136395009
>>136395009
>HURP DURP I DON'T WANT TO SAVE MY ACCOUNT CREDENTIALS I WANT OFFLINE MODE TO MAGICALLY ACCESS MY GAMES!

What this retard is saying is that offline mode should magically know what games YOU have registered on your account. He has to be trolling, noone can be that retarded.

>>136396679
THAT
IS
THE
PROBLEM.

STEAM NEEDING TO CONNECT TO THE FUCKING INTERNET
IN ORDER FOR ME TO PLAY MY SINGLE PLAYER GAME

Someone help me here, I can't do this on my won.

>>136396493
Why did you buy a game you knew you'd have issues with, then proceed to complain about said issues? It's like buying a car and whining about insurance.

>>136396642

BUT WHY DO YOU BUY GAMES THAT REQUIRE STEAM? WHY DON'T YOU ACTIVATE IT ONCE AND PLAY OFFLINE? HOLY FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK THIS GUY IS RETARDED

>>136396757
>THERE NEEDS TO BE AN ACCOUNT

No.

>>136396638

It's not magic, it's a perfectly reasonable thing to expect. And you know what? As a consumer and a customer you get to ask for features and tell the company how you want their shit to work.

A Valve monopoly would be fun. They could have City 17 and Aperture Science as dark blues, and have de_dust, 2fort and Black Mesa as greens.

>everyone forgot the jokes they could be making

>>136396784
YOU MOTHERFUCKER
WE HAVE GONE THROUGH THIS THE ENTIRE FUCKING THREAD, AND COUNTLESS OTHER THREADS
YOU BUY YOUR FUCKING GAME
YOU DOWNLOAD YOUR FUCKING GAME
YOU ENTER OFFLINE MODE
YOU PLAY YOUR FUCKING GAME


IS THAT TOO FUCKING HARD TO UNDERSTAND

>>136396748
>Someone else uses my steam and uses their account
>Download X game that I dont own
>Logs off
>The game is now in my HDD
>I want to play it because its in my HDD and now I own it

You cant be serious.

It's easy for Valve to talk about piracy being a service problem when most of the games they make are multiplayer based, people don't really bother pirating multiplayer games.

>>136396786
Because I do not like the way the thing works and I have the right to express my opinion on it.

I also like the half life games.

>Buy retail version of skyrim.
>Come home and put the cd into my computer to begin installation
>Steam pops up telling me I need to download skyrim.
>Instead of installing from cd I have to download the game.
I have no face.

>>136397001

>skyrim
>buy

ya blew it

>>136396784

If you have such a problem with that why are you unleashing a crimson tide of endless bitching on /v/? Why don't you complain to steam or valve? Hell send Gabe an email.

>>136397001
>Not knowing how to install a cd

>>136396927

I'm not talking about someone else's games. I'm talking about *my* games. You know the ones that I bought and paid for, the ones that are stored on my HDD.

>>136397073
Faggot, I've been installing games since the days of floppy drives.

>>136396905
How about

>I buy my game
>I download it
>I play it

How about this? No steam is required for me to PLAY my game.

I don't have a problem using steam as a service to buy and download shit.

Then I want to fucking get rid of it when I want to play my game. I do not want it. It does not add anything to my experience with the game been played. It just another program eating some resources on the backround.

>>136397123

If you have such a problem with that and REFUSE TO USE OFFLINE MODE then why do you buy games from steam in the first place?

JESUS FUCKING CHRIST.

>>136397123
You really fail at reading.
>So, I go into your computer, access my steam account on your computer
>Download a game that you dont own
>Log off
>The game is now on your HDD
>Some how you magically think you own the game because its in your HDD

>>136397047
I've done that.

>>136397001

That bug has been plaguing Steam for years, I don't know why they haven't fixed it.

Oh, that's right, it's because Valve don't fix bugs, they just add new features that no one cares about. Like the ability to take low res screenshots when most games provide that anyway and even if they don't there is other software available that does a much better job of it.

>>136397283
Because some games are not available without steam.
Like half life 2, which I like.

Get out of Nova Prospekt free

>amirite?

>>136397123
Steam is DRM. You know this. We know this. The basic idea of DRM is to keep people who didn't buy the game from playing it. In order to do this, you need to 'tell' the game who you are. Steam does this with your account info. It also allows you to play online by saving that info. If you do not save your info, you need to be online. If you do save your info, you can play offline.

So many /v/alve drones... I remember when steam came out, shit storms EVERYWHERE but eventually it was accepted. EA does the same thing and it all starts over again... EA is trying to COMPETE it is a business just as valve. Valve only says the shit about pirates it does because they are trying to appear as the "cool" company that says ayyy, everything aight.

Then you have things like the HL2 beta release shitstorm, how unreliable steam was at release, valve getting hacked, and lawsuits against people who had gotten their hands on the beta. Valve is worse then EA but all you fuckers cant see past Gabes fat. They stole ideas from the community like Counterstrike, Team-fortress and now DOTA. Oh wait I think I know why they don't mind pirates, cause THEY ARE PIRATES, except they make a profit on what they steal.

I'm not saying EA is not evil, but they are a lesser and more incompetent type of evil then valve is. Valve could shove its dick up your ass and you guys would think it was a suppository copy of Half-Life 3.

I'd like to see EA try to blame pirates for how bad SWTOR is doing. It'd be funny.

>pirates
>anything but thieves
stop kidding yourselves. all of you have ample access to payment options yet all of you pirate anyway

>>136397283

Offline mode is notorious for being unreliable. It's also not permanent. And like I said, this is the reason why I *don't* buy anything but cheap as shit games from Steam. The total value of the games I've bought from there is something like $50, and I simply will not invest more when I cannot get a standalone backup, that will work even if Steam and VALVE disappeared tomorrow, of the games that I legally purchased and paid for in full.