How often will you update it?

>>131843929
In real time with the thread.

>>131843967
can I also edit the sheet?

>>131843859
Why is Halo on shit tier list?

>>131843998
We're not letting people edit it personally yet to keep out vandals. But eventually the plan is to at some date allow anyone in these threads to edit.

Add Super Mario Galaxy 1 and 2 to the platformers list.

>>131844076
sounds logical

>>131844070
>Halo
>anything but casual

>>131844125
Why?

Worms World Party.
I demand that it appears on a list.

>>131844183
for what reason?

>no crysis

quakeworld and quakelive need to be on there

killing floor has 0 hardcores
tf2 6v6 is more competitive than l4d2
unreal tournament is casual

>>131844346
What makes Crysis so great other than taking graphic whoring to a new level?

>>131844394
>implying graphic whoring is bad

>Pokemon
Hahahaha

>>131844172

In terms of platforming, the Super Mario Galaxy series is vastly superior to Super Mario 64. Try playing Super Mario 64 after playing either of the Galaxy games, rehashing star missions (collect 8 coins and find 5 secrets etc).

We're trying to weed out very similar games or multiple games in a series at the moment, so if people could tell us which game in a series is the most essential and why that would be helpful.

is ghosts n goblins in there?

>>131844652
great suggestion

Should put silent hill 3 and eternal darkness on there too.

>>131844652
No, it's not. Why should it be?

>>131843859

>first thing on just
>Half-Life

HAHAHAHAHHAH

I've played Half-Life, but this list is fucking stupid, easily forgettable game. 2/10 for making me click link, good show OP.

>>131844714
hahahoho play it and you know

either NES or C64 version (or arcade but who has that)

>>131844384
>Killing Floor
>0 hardcores
But that's not true, they got 8/10 hardcores.

Proof: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0G18S4WhfY#t=5m30s

fucker, whoever put binding of isaac in wrpg should be killed

>>131844753
/v/'s opinion
you are the first one to complain

>>131844792
where should it be instead?

>>131844753
huaehuehuaehuaehuehuehuae

>>131844620
Morrowind
>hand crafted huge world
>tons of factions
>standard MQ for TES
>3D (not saying 2D is bad, but it opens up potential for modding)
>very little babby handholding

However I would include both Dark and Demon's Souls, because they are both the antithesis of a casual game, but play differently enough to be distinct games instead of just a series.

I'm RTS EXPERT from the last thread. Thank you whoever justified Cho Ren Sha 68k last thread, I didn't realize it was so categorically vital.

I think that the most important C&C games are Tiberian Sun (best setting and best execution of the field system in history), Generals (among the greatest Arena RTS of all time), and Red Alert 3 (one of the more complex arena RTS of all time). Of these three I think Generals is the only one worthy of consideration because it was Dustin Browder's brainchild. Hard counter system, 70% micromanagement (whereas Brood War, the other side of the Arena RTS coin, is 70% macromanagement, and micromanagement represents the meaningful exchanges between players and the presence of the player on the frontlines) as well as the secondary economy (black markets, hackers, and SDZs, something that no other arena RTS has really expanded on to such an extent.

I'd like Red Alert 2 to be justified. I think its only real accomplishment was something that Starcraft had done better before it, making a blindingly fast RTS with a soft counter system. Its expansion is an important milestone as the first C&C game to have relatively unique armies, but it was sloppily thrown together compared to the core game.

>>131844803

Guess I'm not only non-casual here then.

>>131844620
Well Half-Life 2 is sure as hell more casual than Half-Life.

>Sin and punishment
How is that not casual? It was difficult until you figured out the pattern of the boss/level and you just dodged everything. It was starfox

>>131845051
Every game is difficult until you memorize it.

>What you have to hate
>vidya

dune and populus in strategy (sp) please

>>131845184
Which Dune and which Populous and why?

Drakensang

because it shows how a classic Rpg works in modern times

Devil Survivor 1, 2
Etrian Odyssey 123
Rune Factory 123
Radiant Historia
Knights in the Nightmare

Also Starcraft: Brood War provides the essential Starcraft experience. Wings of Liberty has its strengths but fails at that because of how much micromanagement they cut out in the process.

>mfw no one in this thread realizes that you have to give a reason for why you want to add a game

>Roguelike
Izuna 1, 2
Pokemon Dungeons

Dragon quest 7 in JRPGs.

It's a 100 hours long jrpg with some incredibly tough parts. The intro alone is 1-2 hours long. The characters are well developped and interesting. The game requires a lot of patience to finish.

>>131845358
>Knights in the Nightmare
>good

why is dead space casual.
ds2 had the hardcore modes

>>131845475
http://vsrecommendedgames.wikia.com/wiki//v/%27s_Recommended_Games_Wiki

help yourself.

>>131845538
>oh scary jumps out of thingy in the wall an I am sad panda now :(

yes, not casual at all

>>131845515
>not liking KitN
Sup casual

>/v/
>Caring deeply about the way others see you, and what others opinions are about you
Oh hohohoho, _you_ are the casual /v/

>>131845578
this is not a recommended list, we don't have games in the list just because they are fun

>Anonymous user 1134: why the fuck is Dark Cloud there
I dunno, shouldn't it be?

>Anonymous user 8624: how bout you add super meat boy to platformers?
Got removed last thread for casual faggotry but give a simple reason and it will be re-added.

>>131845607
Yes, because thats the entirety of enemy encounters. Never mind the awesome build-up in the first game.
And three saves in one run isn't casual bro

>>131845823
keep lieing to yourself

Why don't people understand that they have to post in the thread?

>>131845725
>Anonymous user 8624: Super Meat Boy needs more understanding of vidya than Mega Man
Okay, re-added.

>>131846042
You responded to people in the chat, it's on you now.

80% of those games are casual, wow.

>>131846189
we try to direct them to this thread, that's all

>>131846229
Point them out and give good justification and they'll be removed.

>>131846229
>everything is casual because I say so

>FPS singleplayer
>No Quake 2
>FPS multiplayer
>No Battlefield 2
>Stealth
>No Hitman 2
>P&C
>Just putting MI on the list, like what the fuck did you think about?
>wRPG
>Only Fallout 1
>Mass Effect removed because of /v/s insecurity complex
>jRPG
>Having a jRPG category
>Non casual
>2012
>ISHYGDDT
>Lots of other bullshit categories listed, like W+M1, what the fuck?
>Strategy singleplayer
>Putting Grand Strat games on there
>Also, completely forgetting about Vic II, HoI
>Having Starcraft in singleplayer
>Having Civ III and not even mentioning Alpha Centauri
>Lots of other bullshit


How fucking drunk were you when you made that list OP?

>>131846326
It was /v/, we just added that stuff

I really don't think Earthbound belongs on there. I finally played it last summer and it was one of the simplest, most linear RPGs I've played.

Hitman: Blood Money
Every level is amazing and has a few dozen ways they can be solved. It rewards scoping out the level, experimentation and multiple playthroughs. Every gamer should play it and then be angry at how casualized Absolution is looking.

>>131846345
Most of /v/ is a bunch of fucking casual crybabies, did you seriously think you could end up with a list of 'Hurr so hardcore' games by asking here?

>Halo
>Shit tier

This is a really bad tier list.

>>131846448
That's why we are now asking people give actual reasons for game inclusion.

Why is God Hand still not on the list? It's THE casual repellent.

>>131846268
That would be way too much work.

>>131846294
Never meant it as a bad thing, I'm just saying anybody who's played a video game before could play most of those games with ease.

>>131846461
>Babby's First FPS
>not casual

>>131846448
do you know what that motherfucking questionmark behind most games mean? That there are people who disagree with a valid opinion. When someone explains why a game should or should not be on the list it will be removed or added.

>>131846512
It's there.

Another stupid idea like the /v/gas, all this proves is that /v/ does NOT have a hive mind in tastes and opinions.

>vsrecommendedgames.wikia.com
>implying this isn't the definitive resource to use.

>>131846541
Yeah, good luck with that. You should not ask /v/, seriously.

Starhawk (beta)

It has a nice fast pace and actually requires skill and quick reflexes to win.

It's also like a third person tribes.

>>131846586
This isn't the same as that recommended games list.

>>131846561
this is not simply vote&win, we removed lot of games, Half Life 2 was in the FPS section, now it is in the "for those who enjoy shit" category. This sheet is not far away from being complete

>>131846637
Well yeah it is actually.
Also what this guy said: >>131846561

Medievil:

The game has decent platforming, great humor, and the bosses all have interesting design while still keeping combat in tact.

Plus there's like 40 billion weapons

>>131846657
*this sheet is far away from being complete

my bad

>>131846657
>Putting the last good story driven FPS game in a shit tier

Well fuck you

Why is there no MMO section?

Chrono Cross

Very open and big story, interesting and entertaining gameplay, incredible music, tear jerking writing, and great characters.

Chrono Trigger is INFERIOR in every way. I'm ready for you faggots.

>>131846705
>Half-Life 2
>good

>>131846657
>this is not simply vote&win
I never said it was, it's a stupid idea based on adding games to the list based off random posts on /v/. Not everyone on /v/ has the same opinion so it will never ever be factual or helpful in the slightest and people will never agree on it.

>>131846761
Well it is, deal with it.
Unless /v/ is now so hipster it hates on literally one of the mutually agreed best games of all time

>>131846761
>HL2
>Not fucking amazing for it's time
Get out. Next thing you'll say is probably that Far Cry 1 sucked.

List is a bag of shit based off random sheep opinions on /v/.
Please delete it.

>>131846805
The Half-Life series has always bored the fuck out of me. The only interesting thing was the high production values. But, as a game, that just makes it a highly polished turd. The story is a straight ripoff from Doom: Scientists open portal, aliens come out. You're a random dickhead who has to fight your way out of the station. It was neat to play with physics back when HL2 came out as a novelty, but every game has it now, and the puzzles it forced you to solve were just distractions and hard stops in the flow of the game. You're running and gunning one second then you stop hard and have to put floating barrels in a box to make a bridge. It was pretty awful. That fan boat sequence is still one of the worst moments in any game franchise. When the gameplay is the weakest part of your game, you've made a huge mistake.

Then there's the horrible, horrible end sequence where they remove control from you for half the time, and the other half force you to play with the dullest weapon in the game. Beating the game with that felt like a completely hollow victory.

>>131846586
/thread
this here lists out recommendations without/few bias, unless you're thinking of making an empty sheet, go ahead

>>131846764
that's the burden we have to carry. It would be odd if the list doesn't change at all.

>>131846929
So what exactly is so good about HL2 again?

The puzzles are shit.
The gravity gun is gimmicky and only has real use during puzzles or that zombie level.
You fight a grand total of five or so different enemies the entire game.
Most of the guns suck or are for novelty value, like the crossbow.
Explosive barrels everywhere even in later levels.
Terrible, terrible forced vehicle sections.
A few of the chapters are nothing but dialog or running.
Two unique human voices.

Because of the game’s heavily narrative- and cutscene-driven structure, it has terrible replay value. To me, this is the ultimate con against it. No game with shitty replay value deserves Game of the Year.

Don't fucking Seinfeld Effect me either. Even in 2004 this shit was inexcusable. Halo didn't do anything that badly. Call it generic casual shit but it still had more flavor, better atmosphere, a better story, and better multiplayer than this dud. Most of all, its singleplayer was actually fun to play more than once, thanks to co-op.

>>131846878
>bawww stop liking what i don't like
then list some non-casual games you fucking swine and give valid reasons to remove the shit, assuming you even play vidya. LOL OH WAIT

>>131846958
>list about games that are not casual
>recommended list is full of casual games, casual games that are fun but still...they are casual

Sometimes it's like most of /v/ can remember what the popular games that came out in the early 90s were, and most can remember about the popular titles which came out last year, but it really struggles with anything in between those two time frames.

Are MS DOS games to old for this? If not I nominate the Commander Keen series.

>>131846980
>>131846929
Jesus christ you reek of underaged if you call Halo a better game.

Fact of the matter is that on the time of release HL2 was revoloutionary and was hailed as one of the best games of all time and still is.

Type in on google "best game lists" or what not and I guarantee that every single list will have HL2 in the top 15 games. Why? I'll give you a hint; because its fantastic, particularly for its time.

>>131847080
No need for nominations. Just give a simple reason why playing it makes you less casual.

>>131846980
>Even in 2004 this shit was inexcusable
Just because you were 10 in 2004 and were too retarded to use a pc, and eventually had to wait until last year to play HL2, doesn't mean it was good for its time. You casual

>>131846960
The thing is the /v/gas tried to do exactly that and everyone ended up hating it and calling it stupid.

This theory does not work and there is simply no point to it.

>>131847089
>Half life 2
>Revolutionary

Overstatement of the decade man. You are over doing it.

>>131847089
Argumentum ad populum (literally, an argument to the people) is the logical fallacy that just because something is popular, it is therefore true. Undoubtedly many popular notions are true, but their truth is not a function of their popularity.

This logical fallacy is often used by children as an excuse for wanting something (everybody's got one), or doing something (everybody's doing it). Despite the juvenile nature of the argument, it is often used by people who should know better, particularly by those who are trying to force other people to their way of thinking.

You should add Legend of Dragoon.

It was basically the only JRPG to do battles correctly.

Also the lack of enemies that gave you a decent amount of EXP and gold, meant you really had to plan out some of the boss battles.

Which is better? Half-Life or Half-Life 2?

>>131847168
It is; first game that properly used the havokengine and first game with genuine use of physics in a pretty realistic manner.

Jesus FUCK WHY IS THERE NO EU3 UP IN THAT BITCH?
Do I need to state a reason even? It had a thousand gpm (generals per min.) back in the day when there was no /vg/, it has a steep enough diff curve to scare off any casuals, it's made of pure autism (Jesus Christ there isn't even faces in the whole damn game), it takes hours to finish a playthrough, and it's fun

>>131847182
>Hundreds of review sites named it game of the year
>Was raved about constantly at the time
>People enjoyed it
>Often called the best game of all time

Yeah, it's because its good - people don't pretend things are good.

We need a MMO section

>>131847271
It's in Strategy (Singleplayer).

>>131847221
HL1 is better than HL2, but HL2 is pretty good.

>>131847271
people already suggested it sir

>>131847290
theny why do people say ME3 is good?

/v/ should do a list like this of how to be casual. Halo, Half-Life 2, World of Warcraft, Angry Birds, etc.

What the fuck is Portal doing on there, seriously?

>>131847389
Nobody has called ME3 game of the year or game of all time, it has a few good reviews with plenty of bad ones.

>>131847228
Halo helped popularize online console multiplayer and has shaped the market as it is today. Half-Life is pretty much irrelevant in 2012, nothing take's from the Half-Life games or is inspired by them. If they are, it's not in the mainstream.

I'm being as unbiased as possible because I don't like either, if at all.

Get rid of Stalker off the list, it is a casual babby game

>>131847445
are you kidding me? You must be pretty oblivious to not realize that

Can someone please explain why MMOs are not on the list?

>>131847485
it shaped the console market
and therefore it is casual

>>131847492
Which one and why exactly?

>>131847485
0/10
There were plenty of multiplayer games like halo before halo. Half-life 2 revolutionized physics engine use in games and hey look! Pretty much all modern games use physics to some degree.

>>131847485
Valve pretty much "invented" the corridor shooter with Half-life and Half-life 2, fyi.

>>131847120

Well then, Commander Keen series because of Dopefish.

>>131847561
All of them, they are casual games and the list is about not being casual

>>131847546
Nobody has brought it up until now.

>>131847550
>Console
>Casual

PC has more casual games per square cyber inch man. All o those cheap flash games, there must be millions of them. All PC games are console games anyways.

>>131847632
Not to mention casual shit like quicksaving and instant, non-punishing retries in games shitty indie platformers.

>>131847632
>Quake is a console game

>>131845358
>Radiant Historia
HAHAHAHAHAHAH Jesus Christ what shit tastes

>>131847575
We're talking console, PC is not involved here because it was always niche.

>>131847575
Physics engines are the greatest blight upon non-lazy game design the vidya has ever known.

>>131847720
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYpRNQG5eq4

Yep.

OP, daytime /v/ has begun. Hold off until everyone's asleep again.

I mentioned Sacrifice last thread because it's an excellent unconventional RTS. Disregarding its imaginative setting and its all-star cast of VAs, as well as how good its graphics were relative to its time, Sacrifice was the first RTS since Herzog Zwei to make the player into the most important unit on the field. The balance held up well and the community remains active to this day.

I noticed that C&C Generals has not yet been added.

>>131847827
Was on the N64 too. N64 Quake II was pretty good.

>>131847827
You might as well have posted the PS1 Quake 2 port, but I guess you weren't born when that happened. Your point is still pretty silly though.

lost in a sea posts, but anyway
waht about the Japanese versions of super mario bros? inb4 weeaboo shit
the Japanese version was harder with the any hit go back to small mario, rather then just going back to normal big sized.

>Hitman Blood money
Remove, it is casual hitman, replace with any of the other ones
>STALKER
Remove, casual
>Metal Gear Solid 3 in stealth
No it's not a stealth game.
>Team Fortress 2 vanilla or not
Casual game.
>Metroid Prime
Casual.
>Binding of Isaac
Casual roguelike, replace with NetHack
>Ratchet and Clank
Casual, only list R&C3
>Dark Cloud
Casual, only list DC2
>Starcraft 2
Casual
>Banjo Kazooie / Mario
Both Casual, don't deserve to be here
>Forza
Casual
>Time Crisis
Casual

Just off a first glance

Where can planetside be placed?

>>131847942
I've been playing that recently myself.

>>131847860
>daytime /v/
You do know there is no 'day time /v/' as /v/ is accessed world wide.

>>131847997
Your reasons are retarded.
R&C 3 is an improved R&C, there is no differnce on its casual level. Dark Cloud 1 was actually harder because of this stupid thirst feature and weapons breaking more quickly

>>131847997
Which Hitman is the most hardcore, and why? Please address this post:
>>131846374

>>131847942
That was true in the american version that I grew up with as well.

>>131848052
That wasn't addressed to you.

The bulk of the userbase does not access /v/ at night, and it's mostly the insomniacs and smaller european population. Much less trolling and there's occasionally enough time and interest to debunk all the sparse retardations.

>>131847997
>>STALKER
>>Remove, casual

Also add ArmA2. No one are truly seasoned in the vidya if they have not experienced the bug-riddled Belarus clone while shooting at sandniggers and Chechens.

>>131848125
Contracts; essentially remakes of levels in 1 but with better mechanics.

Blood Money is essentially babies first hitman due to the amount of weapons and customization.

>>131848052

I just assume daytime /v/ are American children who access their computers after they get up in the morning and before their scheduled bed time.