There's so much wrong with that shitty chart. Might as well just copypaste TBs response.

this picture is too confusing

>getting laid off
No, it doesn't work like that unless you're part of the audio or art teams or something (let's face it, they deserve to be laid of if they're part of the Bioware ones). If devs want to put them to work then that's up to them, what isn't acceptable is taking 10% of your programmers who should be making a product I want to purchase, and having them making paid DLC instead of creating a fully realised and bug free release.

not real sure what you're trying to convey here, OP

Blankposting should be a bannable offense.

>>130760629

he's coming out to us

Common sense? On my /v/?

It's more likely than you think

Games currently worked on (to some extent) by Bioware:

Dragon Age III
Mass Effect 3
Command and Conquer Generals 2
The Old Republic

I hardly think they're going to have half their team idle without work with these projects to support and finish. If they do, then that's down to EA to stop overstaffing their departments and churning out shit for the sake of making it.

So, why aren't the faggots working on the small bars at the top of the first chart being employed to work on the fat bar? You know, like it used to be before DLC?

That chart isn't a fucking excuse, in fact it just further exposes the problem. They're diverting resources away from the core game just so they can launch their DLC dick up your ass on launch day to stealth raise the price of their game. It's a fucking sham, it never used to be like this.

Yes, my Jimmies are rustled.

>>130760830
posted on neofag first, and it's been criticized for making many assumptions.

>>130760954
The faggots working on the thin bar ARE the ones that work on the fat bar. After they finish preproduction for the core game, they move on to preproduction of the DLC, while production of the core game is going on. And so on.

The major problem here is that game developers are like spoiled children. They're so entitled. I can understand them being annoyed at piracy but they EXPECT you to purchase their games. They no longer attempt to sell you a product, just cry about it if you don't buy it. As far as they're concerned, you're at fault for not buying or enjoying their product becuase they're just perfect in every way. In fact, making a game is such a nice thing to have done for you, you probably should be paying them an extra $10.

>>130760438

So that's how modern game development works, huh?

I'd like to see your argument to explain why it hasn't always worked this way, if it is as 'necessary' as you make it out to be.

Well?

This only excuses post-release DLC, which no one truly is against.
Day one DLC is still shit.

Yep, bioware is browsing /v/.

WHY NOT HAVE THE FUCKING DLC IN THE FINAL PRODUCT

SINCE IT'S RELEASED ON THE SAME FUCKING DAY

>>130761169
Actually, I am. Expacs are fine, in fact they're great. More of the same if I enjoy something? Superb! However, DLC is such poor value for money. If I'm getting 30 hours of enjoyment from a product for £30, I don't then intend to spend £8 for a further 3. Certainly not when there's another 30 hours out there for £30 again.

>>130761061

That's even worse.

they go back to the drawing board to think about what they missed out the first time round and how the game can be made better, then decide to charge money for their own incompetence.

>>130761232

Thank you, now I don't have to say it.

There's no excuse for this. DLC is fine to be planned during development, as long as it's released after the game, and only because of time constraints. DLC made along side the game and sold separately is unacceptable.

>paying for DLC at all

How about you DON'T make stupid shit dlcs during the main game production?

You forgot to mention it will be on the CE, which is more money then the normal game. So it has to be tested and ready on day 1, which means they are denying you of everything that has been produced for the game. And I will even bet it will already be on the disk.

Nah, EA is still a faggot.

I'm not only pirating this for myself, but I'm also giving burned pirate copies to all my friends.

Fuck you EA.

Yes, because clearly there is a special team for making DLC.

Don't be ridiculous.

i don't mind day-one dlc because the skidrow release will have it

>IF WE DONT MAKE DLC WE'LL BE FIRED GUYS


bullshit

i want you to use ALL of your resources on your core game, and after that is finished, then you may make DLC. if you release DLC at the same time as the game, i will view it was part of the core game you released and decided to charge me extra for. so fuck you

All DLC can go suck a big fat dick.
I want my expansion packs back.
I want Brood War, Throne of Bhaal, Shadows of The Undertide, Mask of the Betrayer etc.

>>130761367
>>130761367
>>130761367

This fact pretty much destroys that stupid fucking chart.

Fucking apologist scum.

i don't know why it's suddenly ok to have day one dlc. was it okay to have day one expansion packs?

Still doesn't change the fact that EA/Bioware is over pricing the DLC. Day 1 stuff shoul be $5 max if you don't buy new and get an online pass.

>implying they test games anymore
that was made by biodrone right ?

>>130761105

Not OP here, but I'll answer to you.

Because in the past, instead of the moving to DLC, they'd move on to other projects, or get fired.

If you're lucky and the game sold well, MAAAAAAYBE they'd get called again to make an expansion, with the same reasoning they take nowadays with DLC, but according to the price they want to sell it for, of course. That's why it took much longer for them to release expansion packs after a game was out.

While DLCs cost around 10$~ (they usually release 2 or 3 meaningful DLC packs), expansions cost 30$ (normally half the price of the game, sometimes just 1/3 of the price, not common though).

The idea of "more content" you get from Expansion packs is just because of the game box in the past, marketing and such. Normally they'd contain the same content those 3 DLCs offered or less. Just because it may have a different .exe or a main menu doesn't make it a lot of content.

Though I do agree that getting a 15 hours expansion after a year was better, in my point of view, than getting 3 separate 5 hours DLCs in 4 months.

>>130761703
>Day 1 stuff shoul be...

NO. IT SHOULDN'T BE.

The guy who made that chart is an posturing asshat

>>130761754
>The idea of "more content" you get from Expansion packs is just because of the game box in the past, marketing and such. Normally they'd contain the same content those 3 DLCs offered or less. Just because it may have a different .exe or a main menu doesn't make it a lot of content.
and not because DLC can be finished in 2 hours while an expansion is a lot longer
right

>>130760438
No one getting laid off if they don't get put on DLC. They know how many people they want to have working on a game, everyone has a job on a development project or they wouldn't stay there long enough to start working on DLC. A place like bioware especially is surely working on multiple projects at once. They dont need DLC to fill out work for their employees, they need it so they can take more money from people.

The second timeline is retarded as well, no one is saying "extra content for free please because we deserve it!" We want a game idea and then the realization of that game.

We want DLC to ALWAYS be an afterthought. I'm not against planned DLC at all. People will have their ideas and then pitch them, but the making of that DLC shouldn't decided on until it's necessary to extend the life of a game for the fans, and to generate additional income for the developers after sales slow.j

There's nothing "entitled" about what gamers want from a developer. No one is getting anything for free, and all parties get what they want. A 21st century business is about keeping the consumer happy, but the video game industry likes to think they can skip all that and nickel and dime us because we enjoyed the initial product.

>Charging for DLC

NO

>Make Day 1 DLC free
>Full game and DLC costs $60
>More people buy the game because of the free DLC
>More money to pay multiple teams

Why can't it be like this?

>>130761754
>Because in the past, instead of the moving to DLC, they'd move on to other projects, or get fired
>or get fired

This never happens in the industry. Developers don't get fired because of a lack of things to do before the game is released. Typically in a development company, almost the entire development team is in crunch time up until the game goes gold and is ready for cert.

>>130761632
No, but I bet that's because they actually had a suitable amount of content for the price point.

The truth

>>130761994
CD Project did that for the witcher 2. Now they're giving us a fucking huge dlc for free again.
The Witcher 2 alone proves how wrong the chart is.

Not OP again.

>>130761367

In the mass effect case, they said you could get the CE which will include this DLC + OTHER STUFF (that you may or may not find interesting) or you can get the Normal Version and get the DLC for 10$.

>>130761483

Way to make a drama out of it.they're not doing it TO SAVE THEIR LIVES. It's just how the new model works, it's not worse or better, just different. It's not like those expansion packs were NEEDED as well. You could argue that every expansion ever made could be released with the main game if they just waited for it. Most of the times the ideas they had for expansion packs were already in an alpha stage in the game development, but were just discarded cause they were lazy or didn't have enough time to really work it out.

/v/ - Drama Queens & Self Entitlement

>>130761632
>was it okay to have day one expansion packs?

No one ever thought about that, because such outrageous scenario never materialized.

Kotick wasn't as inspired back then as he is today, apparently.

Publishers got by just dandy years ago, before we even really used the internet. And now, when games are more profitable than ever, they ask for MORE money for a part of the game they conveniently leave out? Fuck them and fuck anyone who supports that.

>>130762159
>Because in the past, instead of the moving to DLC, they'd move on to other projects, or get fired

It's worse for the consumer. We now have to pay $70 or more to get a content complete game.

You and I both know where this is headed. When games are sold with entire characters, levels, and campaigns ransomed for extra money mindless fanboys will defend companies using " gamer entitlement" as an excuse

>>130762159
>Self Entitlement
shitstorm incoming.

>seem like price gauging and fan exploitation at first, it isn't.

Dude, no matter how you spin this, it is.

>>130762159
>You could argue that every expansion ever made could be released with the main game if they just waited for it.

You're assuming that every expansion pack ever made could've easily been made along side the main game using the same resources and development team.

You are full of shit.

>>130762348
inb4 Deep&Edgy

>users defending bioware fiercely

Day 1 DLC is unacceptable.

I don't care how many shitty charts you create to convince us into loving a shitty company with horrible ethics regarding customers.

Let the sheep have their Shepard, /v/..

>>130762159

>Self-entitlement

HOW DARE YOU DEMAND A QUALITY PRODUCT WHEN YOU PAY MONEY FOR IT.

STOP HAVING STANDARDS AND ENJOY CALL OF DUTY CLONES

DURRR

They essentially cut a feature out of the regular edition to partly justify the CE premium. Pretty disgusting practice IMO, even though it's nothing new.

I'm still on the fence about getting the game and that kind of shit makes me want to wait for some GOTY edition, or at least a sale.

>>130760438
>Implying I won't be pirating it like the other 3

Good luck getting paid, developers

>>130762159
>/v/ - Drama Queens & Self Entitlement

The day game companies start charging us fees just to turn on our consoles or having to pay extra to complete a level you will call us self entitled for complaining

>>130762154

This post shows an example of how a children mind works.

They're not doing it because they're the GOOD GUYS. They just want you to think they are so you can talk to your buddy in your high school how awesome they are. Word of mouth.

I love that their DLCs are free and I loved the Witcher 2. but all they're doing is releasing free DLC instead of advertising the game in a common way to make a good impression on you guys.

Your word of mouth will get them to sell a lot more copies in a world consumed by Pirates (PC Market), as well as catching the console people's eyes.than if they went with paid DLCs.

Paid DLCs normally don't go well if you're new in the gaming industry, not well known by the masses(don't need you to point out the exceptions. There's ALWAYS exceptions). Leaving a good first impression (like Bioware did in the past, whether you like it or not, Valve, Blizzard) is the key to surviving the struggle.

Can't wait for your butthurt when after The Witcher 3 they start to have paid DLCs.

"Oh I hate you! You were good once!!!! I WANT YOU TO DIE IN A FIRE!"

>guaranteedreplies.jpg

anyone who argues in favor of the OP's image on /v/ is a troll

thought you guys would know that

>>130762159
>It's just how the new model works, it's not worse or better, just different.

I'd say it's worse if they want to charge you additionally above a full-priced game on day fucking one. The only smart reason you'd be okay with it, is if it were you doing the fucking up the ass, otherwise, you're just a stupid, gaping asshole.

>"Please buy out product!"
>"You want the extra content? Pay more money or FUCK OFF YOU FUCKING ENTITLED GAMER PIECE OF CRAP. YOU ARE RUINING THE INDUSTRY I HATE PEOPLE LIKE YOU THAT DON'T JUST BLINDLY BUY EVERYTHING.
>Ok so now that you know that you're an entitled piece of crap go and buy the DLC now!"

If a company wants your money, they should work hard for it and create a good product instead of calling any customer entitled that doesn't want to buy it. And if someone keeps calling me a retard for not throwing away my money then I'm even less likely to spend my hard earned money on ANYTHING the company creates in the future.

>>130762692
Oh wow

Like... really?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h472NmF1HEQ

This is relevant to the thread

>>130762692

HJAHAHAHAH, OH WOW.

>stop giving away free DLC STOP IT YOU'RE RUINING THE INDUSTRY BAWWWW GOVERNMENT PLEASE BAN WITCHER 2 THEY'RE NOT SELLING THEIR DLC FOR HIGH AMOUNTS

Cry some more.

>>130762692
cool baseless assumptions bro

>>130762537
>HOW DARE YOU DEMAND A QUALITY PRODUCT WHEN YOU PAY MONEY FOR IT.
why would you first pay money, and then demand quality? shouldn't it be the other way around?

Anytime someone posts OP's chart, reply with this image and the Mega 64 video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h472NmF1HEQ

I'm giving you my money. I have a right to complain if you start charging more and more for no reason whatsoever.

No argument allowed.

Whiny children cannot comprehend this, Op.

>>130762692

So ensuring more guaranteed sales. Personally i think its a better overall tactic then LETS REMOVE AND CHARGE FOR CONTENT ON DAY ONE CAUSE I NEED A DOLLA DOLLA DOLLA IS ALL I NEED

>>130763019

Because then you'd say "YOU HAVEN'T PLAYED IT YET YOU DON'T HAVE A RIGHT TO CRITICIZE"

>>130762692
>they're only doing it for the word of mouth
No shit, sherlock. That doesn't mean it's not beneficial to us and we shouldn't enjoy it and support it if we so desire.

Do you think I buy Valve's games because when they design their games they have my best interests at heart? Fuck no. They just have (or had, depending on your opinion of Left 4 Dead) a business philosophy focused on quality and added value and I like that, therefore I buy from them.

>>130762692
>>130762159

I agree with you. But on /v/ everyone bitches about everything, so why even bother?

I'll just continue to buy DLC and BioWare games, because I enjoy them and don't bitch about it.

THe DLC was FREE Before included in some patch a few weeks later

And they are cutting part of the game , or making the DLC be really relevant to the story Ie arrival SB lair

The release date of the DLC doesn't matter

That chart is disgusting. Especially the "entitled" jab at the end. If people are paying for it they are entitled to whatever the fuck they want. Bioware isnt entitled to their money. Its the other way around.

The fact that the DLC was made after the main game doesn't mean much when you take into account the timing of the release. It was available for a while on XBL at the beginning of the week (a mistake) which means that it passed certification. Certification takes a while which implies it was ready way before that. Moreover, the game itself went gold like last week so it doesn't seem that they were really made one after the other.


This is basically EA/Bioware trying to squeeze an extra 10$ from you on top of the 60$ you will pay for the game on day 1 because they know fans will pay the extra 10$ for that character during the launch hype period.

>>130763191
gp to bed hamburger

>>130760438

So if this is the new standard in development. How come core games still cost $60?

Truth be told, i'd be better about day 1 dlc and shit if games had some sort of pricing tier system..Some cost $30 core standard with $10dlc for additional shit, some cost $45 with DLC included, but you still have to buy post release DLC packages, and then theres the $60 premium.

Just an idea. Even i think this is shit, but i'd be more accepting of it over every new game ever costs $60 and you essentially paid over $120 just to experience the whole fucking thing.

OP, even if we accept your chart as it is, Bioware is still being a bunch of shitheads.

They started creating content to sell separately right in the middle of the production process. They shouldn't even be in pre-production at that stage. They should be, you know, making content for the game.

Besides, we all know that Bioware developed that content alongside the non-DLC content. You'd have to be some kind of faith-blinded Biozealot to actually believe that Bioware made this DLC after the fact with good intentions. Or EA, depending on who gets to make the decision.

>>130763191
Calling people entitled because they want a content complete game on launch is as close to ad hominem as possible. It just screams out the mentality that customers are an inconvenient necessity to industry sycophants, and that games should all be profitable regardless of quality. It reeks of hubris, something that is synonymous with bioware in recent years.

>>130763191

>I'M HAVING FUN SO YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO CRITICIZE MY BIOWARE-KUN

Nope, that's not a valid argument. Get out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ajQRMNmmVQ&feature=g-upl&context=G23db6cdAUAAAAAAAAAA


Do your worst.

I always want to ask these ass hats:
So Skyrim was released with no DLC and sold over 4 million. Why does ME3 need day 1 DLC?

>On Disc, Day One DLC
>Not justifiyng insta-pirate

Thats what is wrong with kids today. The things you think you own, end up owning you.

>>130760438

you really expect me to read all that shit, OP?

Imagine buying Transformers on Blu-Ray, only you can pay $5 extra to change Optimus and Megatron to their Beast Wars versions.

If you buy your special edition ticket on Fandango.com, then while watching The Dark Knight Rises, you get a special extra 10 minutes of Catwoman scenes!

Preorder the next Song of Ice and Fire book from Barnes and Noble and receive an exclusive baggie of paper cutouts to turn all direwolves into robo-dogs.

It's because more and more useless corporate leeches (CEO, managers, business administration, HR, PR etc.) need to get paid obviously.

I still remember when CEO's were the ones who come up with the GAME IDEAS becausse THEY LOVED GAMES.

fucking jews ruin everything

>>130763457
The short version is that EA would reassign/fire inactive teams (e.g. programming, art, etc.) if they were not actively working on something to be sold (core game, DLC).

>>130763389

You are allowed to criticize it, I'm just stating that you're crying like bitches over optional content.

>>130763546
>I'm just stating that you're crying like bitches over optional content
>When games are sold with entire characters, levels, and campaigns ransomed for extra money mindless fanboys will defend companies using " gamer entitlement" as an excuse

Thank you, EA. Thanks to you, I am able to get all EA branded games for free without any sort of guilt whatsoever.

>>130763546

Nope, that's not a valid argument either. I'm paying money, so I have a right to criticize all I want.

>>130763584
Nobody said the content being withheld was good.

>>130762537
>>130762552
>>130762735
>>130762329
>>130762403

Again, the children way of thought. They take your sentence out of context, they don't want to think over the things you said, just mindless name calling or FULL RAGE MODE GHARBLGHAHGBH.

I should know better.

I didn't say Bioware was right. I didn't say the Mass Effect 3 team was right. I'm just stating the obvious, things change. PEOPLE CHANGE.

It's not about being FAIR. It NEVER was. We're in a capitalist world. This is a business. No, Nintendo wasn't AWESOME when you were a kid because they only wanted to make good games xD. It's all about profit and making more than you did in the last year. They work that way, you work that way, your father works that way. The World works that way.

Like a guy who was interviewed regarding this said "This is only happening because people let it happen" (not in a "people are choosing bad evil stuff!!!11!1" way). Everything has its target audience.

You hate Pokemon? So what? Some people like it, even though we could say that it's the same game it was in the mid '90s.

As long as people like it or accept it, they'll do it. Day 1 DLC is not new, it's not an attempt to make a revolution in the industry, it has been happening for a few years and people accepted it.

You don't like it the same way people don't like when you listen to Deadmau5 in your iPad 2 in the middle of the street.

Hug it out, bitch.

>>130763546
So basically we're only allowed to criticize a game or its content if it's mandatory.

Why are you idiots buying or pirating ME3 anyway? The console versions are going to have pathetic graphics and the Origin virus infects the PC version. Plus, the story is apparently the selling point for these games and has been lackluster since the first DLC for the first game.

I'm not even going to bother reading a summery of the game. And I bought the first two when they were on sale.

>>130763279

Fucking this. I miss players choice titles.

>>130763584

They are optional and not needed for the full experience of the single player campaign.

Honestly, gaming companies are way too big now these days. They could stand to lose a few people. "Too many cooks" and what have you.

>/v/irgin who has no proof that he's ever been part of modern game development makes some shitty rainbow colored chart
>misspells gouging
>expects people to take it seriously

my sides.

IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, DON'T BUY IT

YOU'D BITCH AND WHINE IF A MINORITY GROUP HAD A LARGE INFLUENCE IN SHIT YOU LIKE SO SHUT THE FUCK UP

I'm not entitled to day 1 DLC. They aren't entitled to my $60.

>>130763536
People don't have an issue with them working on DLC or a new project. What we do have an issue with is the fact that this isn't actually happening.

It's obvious at a glance that this content was developed alongside the main game, not after it. It was, in every aspect of development, a part of the game, and they are simply selling it separately. We need not go any further, and that it what is happening. Day 1 DLC is bad because 99%, it's not really DLC at all. Just a chunk of the game that was designed to be implemented as a cash grab.

>>130763681
>Again, the children way of thought.

Always good to start off your counter-argument with an ad hominem. It's a convenient way of letting me know that I don't have to read it.

>>130760438

>even if it may seem like price gauging
>price gauging
>gauging

>>130763681

>Again, the children way of thought. They take your sentence out of context, they don't want to think over the things you said, just mindless name calling or FULL RAGE MODE GHARBLGHAHGBH.

>call me a child
>structuring your sentence the way you did.

>>130763751
see:
>>130763701

This chart mistakenly suggests that they're really actually doing something more when they make Day 1 DLC. They're not, they're just skimming excess off of the true full game and putting it on a higher pedestal, just because idiots like the maker of this entire image will buy it like the fuckheads they are.

>>130763681
>You don't like it the same way people don't like when you listen to Deadmau5 in your iPad 2 in the middle of the street.

This has to be the worst analogy I've read on /v/ today.

>>130763390

>do your worst
>17 views

Is this your video, anon?

I have no idea what this DLC contains or it's story.

The only reason I would hate a day one DLC is if they took a chunk of plot from the main game and developed the "extra" content around this plot point and then continuously referenced said events in the main game in such a way that left you in the dark or had no clue what was going on.

If the DLC is something like Zaeed where his content added nothing to the plot just a nice side story and character it would be totally cool.

>>130762692
>Spend large chunk of game budget on marketing
>ensure that game sells a bunch at launch because of production values and reviews

or

>Spend the whole game budget on making, adding to and improving the game
>ensure that game continues to sell a bunch over a long period of time because of word of mouth by pleased customers and a lasting dedication to a game

"Marketing is what you do when your product is no good."

>>130763751
>They are optional
Because they were removed from the game and made "optional"

>not needed for the full experience of the single player campaign
A Prothean character is not needed for the full experience? Do you biodrones even play your own games?

Sure is Bioware PR in here.

Do these people know what a "sidequest" is?

Sidequests actually used to be a part of the game. Now what happens? The dev/publisher claims that it's "extra content" and uses that as justification for selling it separately.

Like, holy shit. How much of a terrible publisher do you have to be to take the entire notion of optional content and turn it into a money generator?

>>130763820

Because the rebuttal from the haters is so much better?

>>130763751

>additional content, day of release that prolonges the narrative
>contains a Prothean, a character thought instinct and in general at the center of the Lore behind Mass Effect
>not needed for the full experience of the single player campaign

I can't wait til the download is literally and unlock code.

That image is proof that you can make someone believe anything as long as it is in a colorful, graphic format.
Fucking hell, our generation is halfway illiterate. If that was in 100% plain text format nobody would read it.

But no, looks at these different, bold fonts. All of those fucking colors. And the graphical demonstration. It HAS to be correct, right?

Ill just point this out because i have nothing better to do,

The obvious and most glaring flaw with your "chart" is that you claim they will either get fired, or have nothing to do without the DLC. Think about it this way, you point out that they branch off almost and create a separate part of the game. Tell me why, and explain to me the difference between making the dlc and just releasing both at the same time? they both get released on the same day, and both have some core content for the game. Logically, if the pre-pro. team worked on the CORE VERY BASIC ELEMENTS FIRST such as, Level design, Story, Main characters, Plot twists, LARGE THINGS EVERYONE WILL SEE AND USE and then as soon as they reach the Production stage and the production team steps in, they step aside and do things such as Waifu~, smaller characters, guns, outfits, minigames what the fuck ever is going to be in this game that plays side rolls to the actual core elements, and continue that stage and release it THE SAME DAY. Everybody would be working the entire time, nobody would be fired, and they wouldnt be trying to get an additional 10 dollars out of something that theoretically they could have put in the original game.

tl;dr Fuck you and your shitty chart.

>People who don't understand OP's picture.
Wow, you americans are the biggest shit stains to populate Earth.

It is better to release DLC on the release window for EA because the whole dev team is working together, it is efficient. They can't work like Bethesda and release it whenever as console games have an expiration date per say, in which consumers will lose interest and for effective means it is the same to release it later. Not to mention Ea has several projects in the pipeline.

The only controversy would if the content was locked content, and the game was incomplete like crackdown on xbox 360.

Before one you faggots accuse me of sucking EA cock or Biodrone (Same thing really) that doesn't mean the quality of the product will be good, still EA has manage to handle Bioware horribly and forced them to make equally horrible design decisions.

This chart makes sense and resolves some of the issues with the game but I still thinkt he game is ass based on my experiences with the demo and if EA thinks a shitty Firefight mode is enough to compensate they are wrong.

Bioware is to blame, and the mindless masses who validate their decisions by buying all this DLC are also to blame.

But critics? No, critics have a right to be angry.

>>130764026

>Because they were removed from the game and made "optional"

And how do you know this?

>A Prothean character is not needed for the full experience? Do you biodrones even play your own games?

It's not released yet, so yet again, how would you know?

>you are not entitled to everything the developer makes before launch


but thats wrong you fucking faggot

>>130764153
SEE
>>130764131

>>130764107

Your making assumptions.

Meanwhile, at CD Projekt.

>Several hours of new content and new cinematics
>Tons of other content added since release included
>Technical camera fixes and combat fixes
>ENTIRELY FREE TO PEOPLE WHO PURCHASED THE INITIAL PRODUCT

I guess they're a struggling company laying off all their workers though right? Fuck you OP and fuck the Reddit faggot who originally posted that chart.

"Hey guys, should we implement [insert idea popular with fans] into the base game?"
"Nah, lets save it for a selling point on the DLC"

Regardless of development schedule, this.

You forgot one thing OP.

As the customer, i dont give a fuckity fuck how their internal dev process works, nor should i. All i see is that im paying $60 for a game that appears incomplete because chunks have been ripped out of it to sell to me again and/or i didnt buy it from their anointed retailer.

Thats the bottom line motherfucker.

>>130764158
If ME3 wasn't shit I would buy it and all the DLC and post it on /v/ just to make your virgin ass cry tears of buttjelly.

>>130764241

>Comparing CD Projekt to BioWare

Because they are just as big as BioWare, right?

>>130763963
>I have no idea what this DLC contains or it's story

That probably means you're not an authority to talk about whether you should have to pay for it or not.

Also a Prothean character and entire planet that are vital to the lore of Mass Effect certainly are more relevant to the plot than a charater like Zaeed

>>130764131
>>130764131
>>130764131

THIS FUCKING GUY
Bro-fist. Saved me the paragraph.

>>130764306

Ripped out or added after? How would you know?

>>130760438
Pre-production team does not get laid off or reshuffled when the project moved to production stage because they're basically the same team from pre-production, what idiot wrote that chart? besides, it does not take an entire team to create DLC.

It doesn't really matters when it is done, the box price keep paying their salaries so yes you are entitled to anything they produce before the game release.
But biodrones gonna biodrone

>>130764163

We've known since July, anon. Where have you been? The prothean wasn't made 3 months ago..

It's not the fact that it's dlc that bothers me, because i usually dont give a shit about dlc unless it's substantial. What bothers me is that this is a fucking prothean squadmember.

Zaeed wasn't that big a deal because he was just a bounter hunter side character. This new Prothean guy is kind of big fucking deal.

This of it like buying a new car. With Zaeed, it was like them charging extra for power windows. Ya, it's nice and probably should already be in there, but whatever. With the prothean, it's like buying the car then the dealership charges you extra to include the driver's seat. It's fucking important.

>>130764087
Almost ever post that you were replying to contained no ad hominem arguments whatsoever.

You are full of shit dude.

>>130764390

>besides, it does not take an entire team to create DLC.

Speaking from experience?

bioware are just greedy jerkoffs that are grabbling every penny they can from the autistic biodrones that refuse to play any games made by any developer besides bioware.

if cdprojekt were bioware, they would've charged $5 just for the barbershop.

Don't like it? Well sit in the fucking corner and eat your porridge. You should feel honored that the devs are gracing you with their game's presence.

http://kotaku.com/5888197/mad-as-hell-but-they-are-going-to-take-it

http://kotaku.com/5888175/the-week-in-evil-dlc

>those comments
>entitled
>entitled
>they are a corporation and that absolves them of all morals and the need to care for their customers

>>130760438
Yeah, sure, blame the customer for Microsoft's and Sony's shitty cert experience.

Here's the thing.

THAT COMPLETED DAY 1 DLC CONTENT SHOULD BE FREE

>>130764434

>You are full of shit dude

Nice rebuttal.

Bioware
>20hr core game
>Day 1 DLC, $10 for 1 squadmate
>No mod tools
>Origin

Bethesda
>100+hr core game
>DLC developed post-launch, each one similar to Point Lookout in terms of content/price
>Free DLC hinted as a possibility
>Full modding tools
>Steam integration for core game and mods

Bioware, are you even trying>

This is like Capcom releasing an additional character to Street Fighter day 1 and acting like it was made post release ignoring shit like balancing around all the characters, etc.

That chart is utterly retarded.

The preproduction team should move on to OTHER games after their part in one game is finished, they shouldn't be made to work on additional content for the same game.

The same applies to the regular production team (the ones that aren't put to work patching and keep things tidy anyway.

if the studio can't afford to put content that is important to the narrative and world of the game, then it shouldn't be in there at all.

i could make a chart exactly like that to justify movie companies releasing "optional" scenes for DvDs at for 5 dollars.

>>130764424
>>130764424
AND
>>130764153
>>130764153


Have yet to be refuted and I am still waiting to defend them on the off chance they arent in this thread anymore.

>>130764321

Bioware
>Larger Company
>Releases content as paid DLC
>"BUT THEY NEED TO PAY THEIR WORKERS"

CD Projekt
>Smaller Company
>Releases DLC free to people who bought initial project
>"BUT THEY HAVE LESS WORKERS TO PAY"

Do you even realize how little fucking sense what you said makes? A smaller company can afford to make awesome content and release it for free, while a larger company can't afford to make content and release it for free. Do you even lift?

I study economics and i just wanted to put in my two cents

this new "premium day 1 dlc" is just a way for companies to test the waters on whether they can charge $70 for a newly released title as opposed to $60. Not only have the games become more expensive to develop in recent years the companies have become more greedy. Firms like EA and Activision could likely continue releasing games at $60 and stay in business but so long as consumers are willing to pay $70 for a game then they will exploit the consumer.

Day 1 DLC is just fucking ridiculous, if the extra content is being made during the development process and is actually on the disc only requiring an unlock code then it isn't DLC, it's part of the original fucking game.

>>130760830
I don't see how it's okay regardless of how it was made. OP is trying to say it's fine because it wasn't the same people making content for the main game and the DLC so it was not a part of the main game. I say he is a moron for thinking that a company delegating people to not work on the main game during its development and do random side bits sold separately instead is okay. That is all before we even consider that this "preeeemium deeelsee" is an important part of the main plot.

>>130764163
>And how do you know this?

1) We've known about the Prothean Character and Edan Prime being parts of ME3 since the script leaked months ago. This wasn't something that was developed after the game was completed, and nobody was aware that we would have to pay extra for those parts of the story until after they accidently put it up on the marketplace

2)It was available for a while on XBL at the beginning of the week (a mistake) which means that it passed certification. Certification takes a while which implies it was ready way before that. Moreover, the game itself went gold like last week so it doesn't seem that they were really made one after the other.

>>130764210
You mean it backwards retard, that faggot has no idea of what he is talking about. He is assuming the pre-production team has nothing better to do and that Ea has any patience.

DLC is a big deal when it comes to sales, the DLC would still be part of the game if it wasn't released on the same window it would still be missing part of the game 3 months later, this works as a way to push a retail copy foward since there is no legal way to combat rented / used buisness, you know what Gamestop lives of.

Again you americunts are retarded for not grasping the simplest things and jumping to the butthurt, cry more ;)

>>130764556

WHAT!?!?

The 60 dollar standard price model is already fucking broken.

We don't need it to get even more fucked!

Why do people still believe the "HURR IF DAT PART ISN'T DER DEY LOOSE JEWBS" fallacy?

It's fucking basic economics. They just get moved around. It's not that hard to do. Whoever made that graph needs to fuck off.

>>130764306
Doesnt matter what i know. All that matters in the market is how it looks. Infact all that ever matters in life is how things look. In work, in love, in justice etc, i could go on. Facts are irrelevant.

If you wernt an aspie basement dweller who had some experience of life, youd know that.

Yes keep defending this, soon you will have to pay for each part of the game, i hope you enjoy that.

>>130763780

If the minority was saving me ten bucks I'd be fine with them having a say.

>>130764443
More of common sense, most DLC would not need the manpower of an entire development team to produce. With the exception of DLCs like GTA IV TLAD and TBoGT and Oblivion Shivering Isles

>trying to defend the worst developer in the history of gaming with a bullshit chart
Yeah, no

>>130764454

Do you expect any less from gamers? They are walking billboards for their corporate entities.

>>130764496
Your rebuttal was an ad hominem in the first place. You can't expect anything more.

Don't forget, it's your fault. Even if you never purchased a single piece of DLC, it's your fault.

http://kotaku.com/5888046/is-mass-effect-3s-controversial-dlc-your-fault

>>130764618
>this works as a way to push a retail copy foward since there is no legal way to combat rented / used buisness, you know what Gamestop lives of.

That, and your previous post doesn't explain why we're paying for it as opposed to being free like Zaeed was.

>>130764503
Bioware-Owned studio by one of the busy dev houses. Ea produces at least 10 full mainstream games every year and has no time to fuck around.

Bethesda- They develop two franchises and publish some shitty games every now and then. Total freedom to do whatever the fuck they want, including handling the rights of Fallout to the remains of the original dev team.

If Ea owned Bethesda they would make shit too bro.

These days, there is no difference between the words "fun" and "entitlement"

They're thrown around to boost one's argument with jack shit evidence to back up their actual claims.

>>130764761

I didn't post

>>130763681

>>130764618
>attempting to troll on /v/ HUR GUYS AM I KEW LYET?

No. You're a fucking idiot. THE FUCKING OP IS THE ONE WHO SAID THE PRE-PRODUCTION TEAM HAS NOTHING TO DO. If they are both done within the time limit it takes them to put them on the disc, there is absolutely no reason to not put it on the disc, with the exception of making money, and that is what you refuse to realize. I have a bachelors degree in Video Game simulation programming and design, and business practice. There is no fucking way, after all the time Ive studied and actually worked in the industry that this is necessary.

>>130764321
How big the company is doesn't matter you biodrone.

>Finish main game production
>Fire all staff

You're retarded.

How do you know it happens like that? I see it as Pre-production > Development > Testing > Lop off chunk to sell as DLC

>>130764679
Quoted myself like a retard when i meant to quote >>130764380

>>130764879
Then why are you arguing with me?

Again, none of the posts >>130763681 replied to contained ad hominem arguments. So you don't get to complain about it after making a non-point