You know OP you shouldn't be this angry, anger increases your chances of premature heart disease bro.

Have you ever tried simply turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?

pfffft

So what your saying is that it's selfish for us to have our own opinions, and that we should take into consideration that your opinion may differ from our own before we voice our opinions because if we get our way then you can't get yours.

Sure thing man, I'll get right on that.

>>119480628
This is exactly what needs to be done. Unfortunately, expanding this metaphor into the larger situation is not possible. There's no system of people genuinely wanting good things for themselves, by their own will. This is an extremely basic element of human nature, and you fucking faggots have let them brainwash you into taking it away from you. Instead, they just defend game developer's rights to fuck us in the ass, and then sit there and say that we're not allowed to pirate the game because it's "IMMORAL", etc.

It would be different if I wasn't caught in the crossfire.

>>119480627
But that's wrong. The only justification I need for enjoying a game is I enjoy a game. It's not my job to justify to anyone why I like a game. If I sit down and try a game and I like it, that's it. My time/possibly money is worth it. The only time facts like these matter is when you're arguing on /v/ trying to stroke your epeen and be a bigshot snobby elitest.

Face it, /v/ are the hipsters of the video game world, only capable hating what the majority enjoys and putting on a pedestal everything the majority discards.

>>119480833
>So what your saying is that it's selfish for us to have our own opinions

Absolutely. Because your opinion is not just enjoying something that's subjective and open to debate. Your opinion is that I should have to open my mouth and let every game developer take a shit in it, just because you do it on your own accord. You do it, but that's not enough for you - I have to do it too apparently.

It's not fair. You guys are so closed minded. Your extreme authoritarian bullshit literally offends me.

>>119481276
Who told you you have to do that, I didn't tell you to do anything, you told me to stop liking things.

>>119481270
You just agreed with everything the picture said, but then you slapped the word "wrong" across it.

Here's a picture for you:

>>119480450

You just said you don't want to talk about video games. This is a video game board. Therefore, reported. Now get off of /v/.

>>119481382

Strawman

Im sorry, I missed the part where the games I pirate (occasionally purchase) and play is causing any sort of tangible harm to you. Unless you are saying that this will lead to worse games down the line. In which case you are still just stirring up shit for shit's sake. You have no measurable way to show that is anyone's fault but the developers'.

Either way, I don't like you.

>>119481270
>I don't need to discuss my opinions of videogames in a videogame board
I think you should go back to reddit

I agree OP, but is there really even anything someone can do against the hordes of casual consumer masses?

>>119481599
"hurrr punching someone in the face directly is the only way to hurt them"

Nah, what you do is more of a poisonous, long term effect.

I must admit the combat system and some of the animations (like when you chop your axe into the face of a draugr and it slides back and forth like the draugr's face is made of jelly with no skull inside.) is a bit bad, but I wouldn't go as far as saying It's a bad game.

The combat system is kind of bland, but I found it was entertaining enough to put +60 hours into one character, and then trying a different combat tactic (First I used dual wield axes, now I'm a sneaky archer/daggerstabber) and I'm still entertained.
And you know what? In the end, that's what matters for me, I've played a LOT of games for the past years, ever since I was 3 years old I've played video games, and my goal with playing them has always been the same: Having fun, having a good time, and to enjoy myself.

In Skyrim, I enjoy myself, I have fun, and I have a good time.

You can call me casual or whatever if you want, but for your info I've played and play STALKER, Morrowind, Gothic Series, Thief series, to name a few. and I don't know if those games carry casual-classification or hardcore-classification, and you know what?
I'm okay with that. I enjoyed myself thouroughly playing them, and THAT's what matters. (to me)

didn't read lol

>>119481615
Telling people their opinion is wrong isn't discussing video games. Telling people they are stupid for liking something isn't discussing videogames.

Naming the benefits and drawbacks of games is one thing. Throwing an all out shit fit over someone elses opinions is nothing close to a discussion.

Only one person seems to be really angry and butthurt about this, op. I'm going to go back and continue to pretend to have fun with skyrim, though.

Translation:

>I'm a huge faggot please rape my face.

Not satisfied with the dozen times you posted this, huh, OP?

Ive said this many times. It applies to all of the bethesda style RPGs ive played.

They have a good base. A big world with lots of content. Such a good base, but like everything in this screencaps out line, the games lack too much. AI that behaves immersion breakingly retarded, perks, skills and level scaling that give the impression the devs just ran out of time and ideas. Clunky platforming, which results in immersion breaking obstacles. Lack of balance, lack of realism, among other things.

Because the games, fallout 3, oblivion, new vegas (bit of an exception here, the writing, and balance in this game are better, but the AI, graphics, etc all suffer), and skyrim all have so much content, thats enough for many to consider them entertaining. People can play these games for long of to be entertained. To me, simply entertained is not good enough. I have played too much good, that I have this idea in my head that games have to be immersive, with passable AI, gameplay balance to promote different ways to play, the world rich with wildlife, brilliant scenery (skyrim improved this a lot), and big believable cities.

Skyrim, and its similar games all have something there that's good. But just too much bad.

>>119481663
Someone could start making good games, always seeking what the series should become through the INFORMED majority's opinion.

I don't see why the uninformed majority even cares if this was going to be the case because they literally wouldn't even notice a difference. The games would just be better for us, and they would be the same for them. Plus once they started playing enough games, they would see why the informed majority holds the opinions that they do, and then they would be able to appreciate the game on a deeper level.

I mean how often do we see these Bethesdrones obsessed with Skyrim talk about gameplay mechanics in depth? We don't. Instead, they just decide in advance that anyone who bashes something that they "like" is inherently wrong, and anything they could possibly say will be deleted because of one word - "fun".

I guess willing ignorance is a more prominent aspect of the gaming community than the desire for quality games.

>>119480176
>>119480283
>>119480627

Saved. I've been saying these things to everyone who talks to be about how IMMERSIVE and FUN Skyrim is. Meanwhile it's their first Elder Scrolls game, one of their first Sandbox games, and they expect to dismiss my entire argument with "immurshun" and "fun". That's red herring fallacy, not a response.

>the type of shit Betheshit doesn't know how to fix

>>119481876
>Telling people their opinion is wrong isn't discussing video games. Telling people they are stupid for liking something isn't discussing videogames.
Actually it is, discussing opinions is what this board is all about, or what it was before guys like you came.
Sometimes other people opinions are harsh? sure, so what? are you a delicate princess who cannot handle someone calling you a faggot in internet?.

>>119481876
>discussing opinions isnt discussing video games.

this is where you logic falls apart friend. Youre welcome to like skyrim.

you can play as much skyrim as you want COMPLETELY unharassed. However, if you post about it on a discussion board then yes it is necessary to justify why you like it. if you dont WHY POST IT?

ITT: Buyers remorse.

Lets have a reasonable dicussion without one or the other claiming the other is a screaming baby. For starters, its a personal opinion. Personally I think skyrim is FUN and a GOOD game. thats my opinion, and i cant change yours. But reading your image OP, the same thing could be essentially said about any. single. game. ever. Its not hard to break down any game into a couple simple mechanics, would you like to know why? because its a game. not real life. Gears of war, Cover behind small wall, shoot huge gun, chainsaw same enemy repeat. No change.
Legend of Zelda, go to place A to kill enemy B and get C
bring C to D at place E rinse and repeat
Mario, Go left, grab mushrooms, jump on evil guys.
See? not hard. The fact you had to ambiguously chop skyrim down to mulitple, and many core gameplays, then explain reasoning simply proves that it does actually have much more content in terms of other games.

OP is autistic for having made this thread so many times
Face it man you'd have to adopt to be a parent

>>119482241
Nope - Once people stop applying a person to my argument and actually address it in a valid way, then I'll be able to stop.

Out of the 5 times I've made this topic, nobody has addressed my argument yet. Nobody. Everyone just conveniently misinterprets "my" (they love to focus on the fact that it's "my" argument and therefore it's wrong, because I don't like something that they like! Therefore my life is clearly invalidated.) argument; they pretend I'm saying things that I'm not, and that I directly clarify that I'm not saying at the beginning of the topic.

>>119482841
this is true the whole
>all the game is, is kill X and do Y
argument is bullshit.

I dont agree with it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmUOA8gPS_U
>this thread

>>119482663

This guy is right, this board is for discussing video games. Anyone that disagrees needs to be reported, because they don't come here to discuss video games. Plain and simple.

OP is an arrogant horsecock who can't help but be butthurt over people playing a shitty video game.

>>119481599
>Unless you are saying that this will lead to worse games down the line.

That is what he's saying. Hello? Anyone home?

Skyrim is a mediocre game but try convincing the Bethesdrones on here that it is. Same applies to every diluted and "streamlined" new release we've seen recently.
The industry has become mainstream and thus so have the products. The prospect of more money and more people using said products across all demographics will do that. That's just capitalism at work. Same thing has happened to music and to the tv and film industries.
There isn't a lot you can do apart from start up your own small team of devs and slave away to create something akin to the golden age of gaming.
It's a tragic state of affairs I know but that's how it is.

>>119482584
Skyrim is not the first game with bugs. Yeah, we expect good quality controll for our games, but we are talking about Bethesda games here. thats not your regular one hallway CoD game.

Serious question bethesdrones.

If Skyrim is as good as you say it is, why does everyone throw a hissy fit about it every 10 seconds?

You don't see people bitching and moaning about skyward sword.

You don't see people bitching and moaning about witcher.

You don't see people bitching and moaning about arkham city.

But every other hour there's a thread with some disgruntled fan (Or ex-fan) raving about how horrible Skyrim is.

Is it possible, that maybe they're right? Despite the fact that you enjoyed the game, it's only because you've learned to start enjoying things with less and less quality?

Because Skyrim has an inexcusable amount of bugs, mistakes, some of the content in the game isn't even completed.

Can anyone deliver a valid reason why the game isn't sub-par, other than you liked it?

I mean, I love my fat ugly girlfriend and she's beautiful (to me) but she's objectively hideous.

To put things in perspective.

But OP I liked Skyrim.
Why should I care that you didn't?

>>119483185
pretty much this. sad times indeed.

>>119483197
>If Skyrim is as good as you say it is, why does everyone throw a hissy fit about it every 10 seconds?
Because /v/ isn't one person you piece of shit.

>>119483197
Because Skyrim isn't Morrowind and if it isn't Morrowind it's shit.

>>119483193
Is this what we have become? We accept shit because we already know it's going to be shit?

>>119483132
Hey! One of the only posts with an angry tone, and you ended up agreeing with me anyway!

People are becoming insecure, and most are even agreeing at this point. I'm glad to see that you guys were willing to listen to logic.

Thanks for listening /v/. You deserve good video games, and we will accomplish this together.

>>119482841
This guy. This mother fucker right here.

>>119483197

People bitch and moan about those video games as well. Just because someone doesn't keep reposting some shitty copypasta over and over arguing how those games are horrible doesn't mean those people don't exist.

Bethesdrones will have their mods just like Sonicfags have their fanart and fanfiction.

You cannot reason with these people.

Just leave them alone.

I didn't read all of the text in your pictures, but while most of them are valid reasons for the game being bad, I still enjoy it. Just because you don't like something, doesn't mean you have to go around trying to convince everybody to stop liking it.

So glad I didn't buy this piece of shit game

>>119482841
>See? not hard. The fact you had to ambiguously chop skyrim down to mulitple, and many core gameplays, then explain reasoning simply proves that it does actually have much more content in terms of other games.

What you're doing is a generalization. What the Skyrim critics are doing is an explanation of the game. Just because Skyrim sucks doesn't mean every other game sucks equally.

>>119483559
>cargo pants with a fucking vest

Unbelievable.....oh wait, he's a nigger, it makes sense.

>>119483927

that's a waistcoat you fucking philistine.

>>119483927

hipster detected

>>119483927
go squeeze into some more skinny jeans you doughy little femboy.

>>119483898

I think that OP is just oversimplifying it. He's saying that the game consists of talk to X, go retrieve Y, go kill Z. You can practically apply that to any game, but it does not mean they are bad. I just don't see how it's a valid criticism.

>>119483898
No, see what they are doing is generalization. Every game has core gameplay aspects, something a gamer can relate too, and they know what to do because repetition is what teaches the human mind. I can do exactly what he said about ANY game, and make said game seem just as shitty because of it. Someone to expects a game to be an MMORPGRTSFPSTPS etc. because it has to have everything and constantly change it up is ridiculous. They generalize it by saying "go get something for somebody" sure there are quests like that, but are there not other types of quests? are their only 6 types of enemies? Incorrect. Any person can say something a game has in it, and only break it down to core elements and claim the game is the same shit over and over. means nothing.

Sums up this thread

>>119483898
>When the OP generalizes to say a game I don't like is shitty, he's reviewing.
>WHAT ARE YOU DOING, OTHER GUY!? STOP GENERALIZING ABOUT OTHER VIDEOGAMES I DO LIKE!

You make me so wet, internet retard!

>>119481270
>FUN THINGS ARE FUN

Well if that's how you feel, then so be it. However, you better shut your goddamn idiot mouth and never talk about liking the game to anybody ever unless you can justify your opinions.

And OP: Skyrim just proved what Minecraft suggested. You don't have to worry about mechanics and level design when you're designing a game, just give the autists a sandbox and they'll buy a zillion copies.

>>119482374
>give the impression the devs just ran out of time and ideas.
Probably not. I'm guessing they ran out of time to properly implement them.

>>119483197
>I mean, I love my fat ugly girlfriend and she's beautiful (to me) but she's objectively hideous.

I'm so glad you understand this concept.

It is clear that every single one of the people criticizing the game support the idea of everyone liking what they want to like. But this is a video game board. We're going to discuss the game in depth, we're going to discuss its mechanics, and we're not ALL going to just generalize and use ONE SINGLE FUCKING WORD to define the ENTIRE GAME with NO EXPLANATION. Some of us like to use our god damn BRAINS.

If you niggers don't want to discuss video games, then fucking leave. Do you understand that this board is literally not meant for you and that we don't want you here? So get the fuck off. This is what this place would be like if you had your way:

>Hey guys, try this new game yet? It's fun!
>Wow! Fun!
>Fun fun fun!
>Sure is fun in here!
>HOLY SHIT THIS IS FUN!
>Boringfags GTFO, I came buckets of fun

The moral of this story:

Just because you are unintellectual, easily offended, and oh yeah - Quite ironically, NOT FUN, doesn't mean that we all have to be.

>>119484752

Again, just because Skyrim sucks, doesn't mean that every other game is dragged down to its level.

You don't understand that.

>>119480711
Is that the announcer lady from the Dark Tournament in YYH?

>>119485291
You sir, please repute my argument in detail rather then constantly restating the same thing.
I have all night.
>>119484609

>>119484361
It's not an oversimplification. It's actually what you do in the game. A great deal can be said about other game engines and it's pretty silly of you guys to imply that nobody can think of a better game than Skyrim. Shows how eager you are to defend your state of being blissfully brainwashed.

>>119480176

I'm pretty sure I agree with everything you posted.
The only thing i'd like to mention, is that I am still able to enjoy Skyrim despite those flaws.
The reason *gasp* being that I role play. This is
why I play elder scrolls. And while my RP
experience would certainly be enhanced by the changes suggested in the OPs pic, it's still a valid reason
for playing. TES is one of the best actual ROLEPLAYING series in existance.
Despite the glaring flaws. How's that for "lolfun!"

>>119485448
>I can do exactly what he said about ANY game

Stupid argument, because that wouldn't necessarily make it right. It would be like if we had this conversation:

Me: 2 + 2 = 4
You: PFFF MATH IS FUCKING STUPID I MEAN ANYONE CAN DO MATH LOOK: 723581375 = 13313113!!!

Fun is a buzzword general.

>>119485526

So if that's what you do in Skyrim, describe what you do in these other "better" games.

>>119485739
I fail to see how that makes any logical sense.
the point of the post was that, his main reason for skyrim being "bad" wasnt that he THOUGHT it was bad, it was that it was the same thing over and over again, and he simplified it to very few things in a very large game. If his reason for skyrim being bad, was that you can break the game down, then my point is every single game known to mankind is a "bad game" in his views.

grow up you autistic kiddos

>>119480176
I must say that you're wrong OP. Few games are like the TES series, so open-ended and expansive, without invisible walls or any other restrictions. Skyrim is also probably the best game in the whole series, with it's great visuals (inb4 if it doesn't look like The Witcher 2 it's shit) and entertaining quests. It has many improvements over Oblivion, from character design, to the variety of dialogue. Every single NPC has something to say to you, and they most certainly are eager to do so. The enemies are varied and entertaining to fight, and the addition of shouts makes the experience all the richer. There is no reason to dislike this game for what it lacks, because it more than makes up for it with a beautiful map, entertaining lore, and the Great Band of Greybeard Singers, who hold concerts from the top of the mountain, and the quest where you have to promote their next album, The Way of the Voice, is downright incredible.

>>119485913
See? You are implying that nobody can name a better game than Skyrim, and describe its gameplay on a deep level. Think about what you're doing. All I have to do is name some of the best god damn games ever, and explain them. Do you really want to press me on this? I will leave it up to you.

Oh and nobody can be sure if you have already decided that whatever game I say sucks in advance and you will just say it's wrong - But if that's what you are going to do if you choose to continue this, then don't wonder why you feel so insecure. Keep in mind that it could also be one of your favorite games of all time.

>>119485604
>>119486251
Mario is a piece of shit game general.
All you do is stomp on goombas and turtles.
There is literally like 5 types of enemies in the game
and all of the bosses are the same.
The only platforming activity is jumping gaps. Wow, fun.

>>119486251
>Do you really want to press me on this?
Quit stalling and name some awesome game so he can tear it down. You've got the skills to refute him, so why the hell not?

Right, i mean...all dragons do is this all day...i still get a good lul from it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6XsbQONAb8&feature=channel_video_title

>>119486251
Please indulge me.
I find you hilarious.
>>a-a-all I have to do is name the best god damn games ever....

>>119485974
The point is that you have, for some reason, decided his statement was arbitrary, and that any other statement is equally as good. You just decided it was baseless with nothing to back it up.

>>119486401
>>hurry up honey, dinner's getting cold and your dick wont suck itself

STOP

POSTING

>>119486586

>stop discussing video games on a video games board

nah i'm good thanks
counter-sage :)

>>119486465
Ok.

Cave Story
Super Metroid
Zelda: Majora's Mask
Earthbound
Assassin's Creed: Brotherhood
Resident Evil 4
Castlevania: Symphony of the Night
Fallout: New Vegas
Mega Man 9
VVVVVV
Banjo Kazooie
Super Mario 64
Mega Man X
Shadow of the Colossus
Super Mario RPG
Super Mario 3
Kirby Super Star
Mother 3
Pokemon White
Portal 2
God of War
Viewtiful Joe
Mega Man 2
Super Smash Brothers Brawl Minus
Castlevania: Order of Ecclesia
Ratchet and Clank: Up Your Arsenal
Super Mario World
Assassin's Creed 2
Super Meat Boy
Donkey Kong Country 2
Kingdom Hearts 2 Final Mix
GTA: San Andreas
Super Mario Galaxy 2
Pokemon Red
Tetris
Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney
GunNac

Now you thought I was going to stop, because your request is unreasonable. That was your goal. I'm not going to. I'm going to sit here until this thread dies and literally explain every single one of these and why it is better than Skyrim. I'm seriously going to do it.

>>119486801

>No Baldur's Gate 1 or 2

I am seriously disappointed.

>>119486484
Like i said, i believe skyrim is a good game because its MY OPINION and I ENJOY IT. I dont like the Halo series, but they aren't necessarily bad games. Claiming that skyrim is shity blunder of the century, because you can break it down, is like saying a recipe is shitty the third time you eat it, because its using the same ingredients. wether or not his OPINION is that it is a bad game, is his opinion. I wont argue an opinion, STATING its a bad game, because you can break it down is absolutely asinine, to say the least.

>>119486251

>You are implying that nobody can name a game better than Skyrim

Except that I'm not. I am asking you to describe a game you personally consider better, and why Skyrim is worse based on this "All you do is X, Y, and Z" argument, which I think is weak and oversimplified. You can criticize the game on its bugs, combat system, whatever, and that can be justification for saying it is a bad game. I do agree with some of the arguments you posted, but I personally find the "X, Y, and Z" invalid.

>>119486801

see

>>119486337

All of that shit applies just as well to Morrowind, you know.

i have no idea how this game was successfully hyped. it's a sequel to oblivion and morrowind, two famously bland games that only ever succeeded as dev kits. and then everyone buys skyrim for xbox

Hahahaha oh wow those are the worst criticisms

>the weapon im currently using doesnt stay that way after i reload

Do you realise how fucking stupid that would be?

>>119486801
>I'm seriously going to do it.
You can start now, let's hear it all, I'm looking forward to you explaining how games like Portal 2 deserve to be on the list, but not P1, as well as all the other bad choices in that list.

>>119480176

>pic is mfw

One of Skyrim's main appeals, and as with all of the elder scrolls game, is like that of Grand theft auto, in a way.

You're put into a world, and you can do whatever you like and go wherever you like.

The skills and perk trees offer an extra level of depth as people go around improving their magical, smithing, combat, alchemist skills etc.

The array of weapons and armours allow different play-styles which focus on certain things, (admittedly it's heavy, light, and magic focused) but these can be mixed and matched between each other to make up more complex characters.

Then there's the actual -role playing- aspect, the many people to talk to, all that jazz, people build up a character in their head, this isn't really reflected ingame, but it can effect how the player plays the game to make it more entertaining.

Really, the open world, with many different people and mines and dungeons and dragons and magicks and skills and locations makes up what can be compared to an adventure.

People play Skyrim and mess around, go to different places, look at the scenery and the characters, talk to some dudes and kill things, it's an adventure, there's no -real- depth, but there's plenty of things to do.

It's not an incredible game, but I found it interesting.

and also it's kinda a beautiful looking game on max settings at 100 FoV on PC

Just supporting OP.

4chanites are really normalfags with a superiority complex. Never forget that, OP.

Go to bed, Gaider.

>>119487272
in a world where you can do everything, who cares when you do anything?

gta3 succeeded because your role was nonlinear as much as it was focused on certain subject matter. skyrim just throws a DnD towel over a student open world sim project.

>>119487320
>4chanites

>>119487116
Morrowind is generally considered to be quite good. And explain please in which way is Skyrim more bland than, say, DA:O.

>>119486801
>>119480176
>>119480283
>>119480378
>>implying skyrim isnt more than the sum of its parts
honestly I just feel sorry for you because you will never be able to enjoy a lot of the good games that come out due to technical problems.


I guess ill illustrate further since it's most likely necessary.

When you talk about entertainment and art, and say "lets sit down and hash this out based on technicalities and arbitrary criteria, if you cant do that get the fuck out."
Thats fine, if you want to do that. But when you do that just know that you ignore a fuckload of people that enjoyed that movie, video game, painting, book. Because the experience is more than the sum of its parts.

>>119486801
>Cave Story

Cave Story consists of a wide variety of levels, and new mechanics and enemies introduced in each new area. For example, when you start the game, "spikes" are introduced, and some very basic enemies. In Skyrim, however, every area is the same, and once you've seen one of them, you've seen them all. There are really no new mechanics or enemies introduced as the game goes on. Sure, some look different, such as skeletons looking different than draugrs - But they are the same enemy, killed in the same way. In Cave Story, you start the game with a very basic gun that just shoots horizontally. As the game goes on, you get more situational weapons, such as the fireball for killing ground based enemies, the bubbler or bubbline for massively taking out hoards of weaker enemies, the sword, which has short range but great damage, and many others. In Skyrim, every weapon within its category is exactly the same. If you are a melee character, all you do is go up to them and use your strongest attack until you run out of stamina, at which point you use the weak attack until you are able to do the strong attack again. If you're an archer... Well, all you do is shoot them, over and over and over. If you're a mage, you can shoot - Get this - Red OR blue out of your hand. But they're the same fucking thing in reality. The difference between shooting fire and shooting ice on a gameplay level is very superficial.

Cave Story has variety. Skyrim doesn't.

You probably think I'm going to stop or something but I'm not. Sorry. You shouldn't have pressed your implication that nobody could think of a better game than Skyrim. Even Tetris has more variety than Skyrim, and I will explain it when I get to it.

>>119486801
All those games are just go to x, pick up y, go to z etc

>>119487272
>You're put into a world, and you can do whatever you like and go wherever you like.
I was about to post something along these lines. I can ride into a hold, steal a bunch of stuff, get caught, steal a horse and hightail it outta there to a hold where I have no bounty. I can literally just play with the mechanics of the game like that. No need to do quests, or even complete the story.

But is better than Oblivion, and I didn't even bother to pirate Oblivion.

Therefore my contribution is saying, you're going in the right direction Bethesda

Not that the game industry is actually like an animal that you can train or anything. Games either sell a shitload or they don't, retard

>>119487585
they're equally bland. although DA2, say, is a bit more insulting.

morrowind is not considered to be quite good by anyone capable of explaining themselves; i've found this through repeated inquiries. the topic it tries to get away with is some mystery of fate and an uncertain non-determinism. the writing, like in most games, is nothing special. mostly just a screenshot generator like any bethesda game.

>>119487001
I'm not impressed by your inability to differentiate valid criticisms of something you don't like from generalizations; it makes you come off as a very immature person who can't handle opinions. Just because you don't like something someone said doesn't mean it's an arbitrary statement, and it's not inherently flawed in the way that you're claiming.

Grow up, or don't. Either way, stop fucking telling me about it because I don't care.

>>119487969

>>when i do it it's valid
>>when you do it you're immature

>>119487945
Then what's your idea of a non-bland game? Is there ANY game that's vivid enough for you?

>>119487739
what does skyrim accomplish?

>you can shoot - Get this - Red OR blue out of your hand

But there's a shitload of different spells, way to oversimplificate retard

>>119488105
Provides a damn good roleplaying experiencen. It's immersive.

>>119486927
>>119486927
>>119486927
>>119486927
>>119486927
Nobody to argue?

>>119488238
Sorry bud, I agree it's immersive, but it lacks on the roleplay side of things.

A question, if I may?

I realize that the person who originally posted this may not have taken this stance initially, but when FNV threads crop up, the deathclaw quarry is often criticized as an example of illusory freedoms and/or railroading. Here, though, it's being held up as an example of good design.

Which of these two options would you guys prefer, the freedom to go anywhere at any time, or areas that become accessible as the player increases in power?

>>119488103
i don't get your first sentence.

if you're asking what games i like:
LSD
real lives
half life
sons of liberty
gta3
majora's mask
yoshi's island
portal

are the top few.
keep in mind i don't expect games to replicate every part of reality. that's contradictory to their definition. unless you want to define 'reality' as a game, which might be valid.

>>119487969
>>"I know! Instead of defending my argument ill commit to logical fallacies including but not limited
>>to, Ad hominem. This will surely strengthen
>>my argument."

Little does the OP know, that, by posting this, he became the exact same thing he was trying to insult.

>>119488431
2nd option. Not being able to get something makes me want it more and gives me a purpose.

>>119488238
you're immersed in what? a generic fantasy land. that's nothing special.

>>119486801
>Super Metroid

A lot can be said about Super Metroid. First of all, people who play the game for the first time will generally overlook the ultimate goal of the game - That being ammo collection, and optional weapon collection in order to assist with defeating bosses. In Skyrim, there is no point to the game at all, because of level scaling. There is nothing to work up to, no goal to work towards. You can beat the last boss at level 1 and he will just be set relative to your character's ability. Therefore, all the time you spend playing it is just a fucking waste. There's no difference between beating him at level 1 with imperial equipment, and beating him at level 50 with Daedric equipment. It's just to make you look cool. As opposed to Super Metroid's weapons, that don't have big, new, flashy animations, (I.E. the difference between shooting a missile and a super missile looks nearly the same on the outside) but literally serve a unique function within the game. They actually mean something. They actually do something.

CHIM.

all you need to know OP.

> Even Tetris has more variety than Skyrim, and I will explain it when I get to it.

You're gonna have to explain now bub, or post somewhere else.

>>119488641
I found just about everything in the game to be immersive. You have your opinions, I have mine.
You dont get to decide what "something special" is.
Sorry bro.

I agree with OP. Deal with it.

>>119488761
i do decide what's special by learning about game history.

skyrim is the 741st implementation of DnD to the vidya. it's a waste.

>>119488238
>>119488761
>it have inmersion because everything have inmersion
So is now inmersion the new buzzword since you guys aren't allowed to use fun?

>>119488904
I respect your opinion. I do not agree with it.

I had my fun with this game, I pirated it, and I couldn't even buy this game in the first place (dollars cost 4x here, so a 60 bucks game would cost 240, and that without adding retailer/import costs)

So suck my dick

>>119489004

what kind of hell hole do you live in?

>>119486801
So many RPGs, oh boy you're fucked OP

>>119488431
To be honest, I prefer open world, but sith a touch of linerarity, as in "yeah you can go everywhere you want, but you really shouldnt go there, be cause it will kind of screw the rest of the game if you do." for instance, finding some end-game gear when you're a level 1 char.

>>119488977
tolerance is vomit inducing.

>>119488950
>>something is a buzzword if i dont agree with it!

I just alt tabbed from skyrim on the quest where (spoilers from after your learn dragonrend ahead)you are sitting in the oval shaped table in high hogarth(where the monks are)deciding a temorary truce among imperials and stormcloaks. In the middle of the conversation everyone just went silent while one of the guys stood up... now we are just looking at eachother's faces and nothing is happening... the dude is still standing next to the head monk...

What the fuck can i do in this situation?anyone had this glitch happen?the story was getting interesting god damit.

>>119489124
Something is a buzzword if you can really explain the reasons behind it.

>>119488950
>inmersion

uh...

>>119488539
>i don't get your first sentence.
dunno what non- means? non-bland, as in the opposite of bland

>LSD
okay, this is a good example
>real lives
I got raped, SO REAL, the game
>half life
so skyrim is bland, but an alien shooter with some small horror elements is not?
>sons of liberty
didn't play it
>GTA3
not one bit of fantasy in it
>MM
ok, but it's a whole series of them
>yoshi's island
mario is one of the oldest IP's in the fucking industry
>portal
see: HL

>>119489074

Argentina, feels bad man.

A PS3 costs 3000 pesos here, maybe 2000 in a place where they dont rip you off. standard pay is 3000 pesos per month for a minor specialist, 6000 for a univ graduate. Electronics are expensive as fuck.

>>119489133
everyone realized that medieval pseudo-politics is past cliche and lost all ontological inertia.

>>119489133
You have to either:
Google the quest and find the console command
Or:
Go on skyrimnexus and look for an esbern voice fix.

Stopped reading when op basically complained about how big the world was. Saying it took too long to travel.

there is so much hate against Skyrim because everyone is trying their best to hate it, but fail to realize they cant.

So instead they just blame the game for being bad so that they can feel good that they now will have more people that will hate it (people taking opinion to heart), just like they do, except those people wont have a good motive for hating it other than "THEY SAID IT WAS BAD, IT MUST BE BAD!" Have the majority of you already forgotten that /v/ is troll central of the world? Ive played Morrowind, Oblivion and Skyrim, over 100 hours each, and Skyrim IS A GREAT GAME!

Not found one bug of which people have reported,
ALL the places are unique you fucktards, they may have the same atmosphere (Cave, fort, crypt, etc.) but they are all laid out differently and look different (one cave is a bandit hideout, another cave has a HUGE forrest in it, one had a entire fort in it, shall I keep going?)!
and NPCs have more emotion (maybe not so much FACIAL expressions) when they talk.

Now im going to go back to my Stealth/archer class and pick people off with arrows in slow motion, enjoy your bitchfest women.

It's not a piece of shit.
It's much like Oblivion and Morrowind in that it's a good game with crippling flaws all over the place.

>>119486801
>Zelda: Majora's Mask

In Majora's Mask, you have three days to accomplish as little as possible. If you nearly run out of time, you're forced to play the song of time and warp back to the beginning. This will reset whatever you were working on. This alone makes Majora's Mask a better game than Skyrim, because at least Majora's Mask, you know, functions as a fucking game. There's a point. Risk and reward. Skyrim is so open and free form that it's pointless. Once you realize one of the thousands of ways to absolutely dominate the game, such as illlusion (calm) + dagger x15 damage backstab, you have to make the game hypothetically good. You will probably try to argue that once you get good at any game, it's easy. That is true, but there are so many ways to absolutely dominate the fuck out of Skyrim with no challenge whatsoever even on the hardest difficulty, while other games have, what, a small handful of ways to beat it quickly? And notice that I don't use the word "dominate" here. You can't "dominate" Majora's Mask. If you wanna beat that game fast, you have to actually be fucking good at the game. Skyrim is like playing with a small kitten. Other games are like wrangling a fucking bull.

>>119488904
>learning about game history
yeah, tell us about the video game crash in the 80s and how it influenced your ideas of what's special please

>>119489133

Somenone else posted THIS same bug today. dunno the solution, probly console

>>119489389
Uhhh nope, I never said anything like that. Fast travel you fucking retard. Quit using strawman arguments.

>>119489277
>but an alien shooter with some small horror elements is not?
Whatever is the premise of a game doesn't matter, it matter how the game is made to fit that premise.

>>119489391

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I did'nt read a single post in this thread, but that's typically how it goes

>>119489424

>skyrim is so open and free that its pointless

No its because the world is empty and boring as shit. It can be open and free, just do it right.