Navi died at the end of Ocarina of Time because her purpose had been fulfilled.

Link was all emo about it and had an emo adventure. That's that.

Is this a zelda general?

He was looking for Zelda. MM takes place in between the 7 years of downtime in OoT.

The problem is that Saria, like all sages is dead.
Actually cancel that, she is still alive in the child timeline. However, she did always hang around near the forest temple/kokori village, so it wouldn't be too hard to find her.

>>112026013
He already meets zelda at the end of OOT. There is also no reason at all to look for zelda in the lost woods.

Link became friend with a Skullkid in Ocarina of Time. Maybe he was looking for him and found him. Too bad he became a complete dick.

>>112026013
Wrong, MM takes place after Link kills ganon and is transported back to childhood by zelda. And he isn't looking for Saria, because she was the forest sage in links adulthood and she would be sitting around the kokiri village during his childhood, which he already knows how to get to.

The only possible explanation is that hes looking for Navi, although why someone would go looking for that annoying bitch is beyond me.

I believe the friend was the carpenter's son, who goes into the Lost Woods in a sub-quest and gets lost.

Maybe it was the cow he won.

>>112026013
Possibly, but at the end of OoT it shows Link with Zelda, so he did find her. Unless you mean when his spirit was sealed in the Sacred Realm, which fits in with the "MM was a dream" theory, which makes sense, even though it's liable to cause a shitstorm on /v/.

Plus, this brings me back to my other point, why the hell was he looking in the Lost Woods?

Why does the mash look like a hairy tattooed ballsack?

>obligatory mentioning of the word "hipster"

>Like most people, I just assumed it was Navi, but now that I think about it, maybe we're wrong.
The only medium that clarifies it to be Navi was the manga. It could have been anyone.

They were playing hide-and-seek.
But Navi went full retard and got lost

>>112026124
>>112026260
Link found her/would be able to find her hanging around the Forest Temple, because/if he had Navi with him. However, like the Kokiri chick said, anyone who goes into the forest without a fairy will get lost, so that's what most likely happened.

>>112025795

Link doesn't know/care about how Navi feels, so He just goes after it without knowing the reason.

>>112026639

Why do you have to post all of this awful pictures in every thread?

jesus fucking christ.

>>112026879
You're breaking the rules brah.

>>112026168
That makes a lot of sense, too. Didn't consider that. That's another possibility.

Or maybe the Zelda staff just wanted to use the "looking for a long time friend' scenario as an excuse for Link to end up in Termina?

>>112026990
What about Mutoh's son?

>>112027026
Why make it a direct sequel then?

>>112026990

I don't think it's the skull kid, since the skull kid from Majora's mask comes from Termina and not from Hyrule or the Lost woods.

I could see it being serial, bit all signs point to navi. When that sentence finishes, you here a fairy swoop by. Link wasn't really ready to grow up either, yet Navi left because he was not a kid anymore. He went searching for her, unable to deal with finally really being an adult. This led he to termina, and at the end the Skull Kid says "I guess you found what you were looking for". The fairy (tatl?) leaves and Link is fine with it. He grew up, realizing he didn't need Navi.
But them he goes back into the lost woods like a fucking retard without a fairy and fucks himself over.

He's looking for the skull kid

Does it have to be a specific person you're looking for? Maybe we're thinking too much about this. Maybe you don't remember who you're looking for, but you're looking for them anyway?

>>112026879
What's awful about it?

>>112027149
Searia*
also, she became a sage, she doesn't even exist in the same realm

Is this "official" or just fan-made?

>>112027305
She's only a sage in the adult timeline

>>112027204
the skull kid wasn't a friend though, Link just taught taught song

>Be young (and stupid)
>Friend tells me Majora's mask is scary and dark as fuck.
>Play MM and watch intro when Skullkid steals Epona
>Epona no where to be found seconds later.
>"I GOT RID OF HER"
>That feel when I imagined the horse head scene from the godfather.

I hope you all realise that all Zelda games are just capturing a child's adventurous side, what he perceives the world to be, they start the same, he's in a village and a bit of an outcast, who goes onto save the world and fight monsters. There's no hidden meaning, the creator said himself.

>>112027568

But that's boring.

For fuck sake it was Navi, Navi flew off at the end of OoT because Link is a Hylian and he was never meant to have a goddamn fairy, her only purpose of being with him was to help him defeat Ganondorf, when she'd finished her task she could no longer be with Link because he was not a Kokiri. It makes it painfully obvious when after the line about searching for a friend finished in MM the fairy noise is made. What is so hard to grasp about this, why do you insist on coming up with these retarded theories?

>>112027391
>>112027391
Even though there are two different timelines, I think being awakened to a higher existence sort of trumps her even existing still in the child

I initially thought it was just Skullkid. It made sense at the time,and to some small degree it still is, but that all depends when Skullkid hung out with the fairy boy.

>>112027568
Blatantly untrue. Most Zelda games are layered, mostly under ambiguity.

>>112027442

Why does Majora's Mask have that reputation anyway? I only just started but it seems around Disney level about now

Obviously he's looking for Navi

poorly written plot=/=DEEP and obscure

>>112027701

BUT YOU COULD TALK TO THE SKULL KID

>>112027770
I just remembered that she is shown in the drawings of the 7 sages in TWW (in the castle when you get the master sword). So that might put a hole in my not in child timeline theory.

>Be a kid
>Look at the pictures in the Majoras Mask manual all the time
>Be amazed and want to live in this world so badly

I'm totally getting my n64 out

can someone compile all the theories.
from the mundane to the MIND = BLOWN in a wiki post or something?

also greetings from the lurkers. kekekeke.

>>112027819

As a film student I can tell you that most things aren't layered, most things are done on a budget, rehashing skins in MM is just a money issue. It saves time and resources, Mr.Nintendo said himself when he was a kid he'd pretend he was a hero and shit and he makes these games to emulate that, although since the early 2000's he's run out of ideas and has now decided shit is deep.

>>112027568
Well of course, Miyamoto has stated many times that a major theme in Zelda is stepping in to adulthood. It doesn't even take that much reading into the game to realize that. There are other themes and motifs present though
>>112027819
Every Zelda has the theme of stepping into adult hood Shota. The first 2 may be harder to place since we never really see link before the adventure begins, and LA may not fit into the theme very well, but every other game does

Majora's Mask is certainly one of the darker 64 games and easily the darkest Zelda. This does not mean that the game is obscure, GRIMDARK, or anything else. People that say it's not likely played it as kids and had everything go over their heads, and the people who say it's SUPER GRIMDARK are autistic.

>>112027846
It's a very unique story about grief. I won't elaborate because when I do I always end up writing an essay on it all.

Just keep playing an make sure you onstage with as many people in clock town as possible, learn about them and their connections to others and the events in the world.

>>112027852
Intentionally withholding details =/= bad writing

THE MOVIE DOESN'T TELL US IF HE'S A REPLICANT
WHAT SHITTY WRITING

I swear to god once my kid is 8 I'm gonna get him Ocarina of Time and Majoras Mask to play, just so I can watch his excitement and play with him, my dad would play OoT with me all the time and it was amazing to come home from school and he'd have done another 2 dungeons.

I can't wait for my little man to grow up

>>112027568
>>112028176
>stepping into adulthood
I think that can be said for a lot of games, especially if you define adulthood as mental state instead of physical.

>>112027858
...So?

>>112028302
>onstage
Meant interact, I hate typing from my lolipodtouch.

>>112028142
Artful games are designed around a philosophical theme, and Majora's was self-concept. It's not deep or anything, it's just what the game was about under the surface. All Zelda games use architecture to convey different things as well, but never with a clear meaning. Like the Triforces in Ikana Valley. It's all ambiguous. You aren't really suppose to look for meaning because they don't give you enough information.

>>112028176
>>112028302
No it doesn't/isn't. Stop making things up.

>>112027852
If you really look at the story of MM (not fan fiction, just analyze the game) it is pretty deep. I mean, Link was just looking for a Navi, and he ends up pulled into a world where EVERYONE is counting on a child to save the world. Plus, since NPC interaction was present and more fleshed out, you learned a lot about the characters. Link ends up befriending a bunch of people, and stopping his quest to save the world to help others along the way.
inb4 hipster, all of this id present in the game, all it requires is looking past it as a "game" and analyzing the plot

>>112028439

Not quite, most games with this theme have some late teenage archetype who fights up to one baddie and gets something.

Zelda would kill these bosses who represented a part of what he had to leave behind, his friends would "die" and he'd learn to move on, as the game progressed he was growing up instead of becoming some badass.

>>112028589
alright Shota, DENY SOMETHING MIYAMOTO HAS SAID ABOUT THE GAMES NUMEROUS TIMES, and spout your opinion as fact. You will probably end up not reading this post anyway because it contradicts what you say.

>>112028589
I'm not making things up. I understand you like to pretend to be a superintellectual regarding storytelling and art, but it isn't making things up to say what is true.

Logical support for the Navi theory is that Link went into the Lost Woods with full knowledge of what happens to those who do, and was probably betting on finding Navi before he turned into a stalfos.

Captcha context produced

>>112028589

Is having a discussion about something too much for you? You don't appear clever for saying something isn't as layered or more imaginative than you might think.

Plus since we're the consumer we're free to come up with our own interpretations.

>all these shota Link images
>heavily edited to not show the good stuff
God dammit how am I supposed to fap to this?

>>112028888
> but it isn't making things up to say what is true.
That hurt my head for some reason

All of the zelda games, especially MM are up for interpretation. Some of the interpretations are a bit crazy, but there are no wrong answers.

>>112028726
A lot of other games can have the theme of stepping into adult hood present, he is not wrong. It is a universal theme that everyone can identify with. However, no game can really tell the theme like Zelda. Zelda does it in a really special way. If you play the games just to play a game (nothing wrong with that) you can end up missing that. If you are a fan though, and sort of "read along" with the game, the themes become really obvious and really easy to identify with. Personally, I think that is why Zelda has lasted so long, it really is a legend of sorts. If it ever dies out, you can bet your money on the fact that many will talk about the game as though it was a legend passed down.

>>112029083
you can't make something up if it's true. It's not a paradox, it's common sense.

I'm not making up the fact that I'm typing on a keyboard (there is no way for me to prove it to you right now, but you'll just have to assume that I dont' have a voice recognition program on my computer).

I think were overlooking a huge part in this
how did link get Epona into the lost woods?

>>112029406

Except all versions of windows have a speech recognition program

>>112029636
So you'll just have to assume that I'm not lying when I say I type on my keyboard.

>>112029435
We weren't shown the whole lost woods in OoT, there is obviously other ways to enter and areas to explore

>>112029804
But you can't ride Epone while being a kid.

>>112029435
she was young so she just went in like a full retard

>>112029930
I guess this confirms link x malon ships.

>>112029930
apparently you can seeing as link was

>>112028788
Miyamoto barely has anything to do with Zelda. Have you noticed that everything he's ever said about the games has been nonsense? The only connection he has with the games anymore at the most is supervision. He isn't writing the story for the games, people more competent than him are. Meimouto knows as much about Zelda as your grandma did when she watched you play Link to the Past.

>>112028888
Uh? I'm not sure I understand this post, but I'd like you to tell me how Majora's Mask is explicitly about grief -- other than the fact that there are people in the game who act sad.

>>112029023
>You don't appear clever for saying something isn't as layered or more imaginative than you might think.
But it isn't. Wasn't there a certain someone who thought a Beatles album had to be about racial revolution? Even if there was a deeper theme in Majora's Mask besides self-concept, nobody has said anything about it. That's because it would be redundant... The meaning exists within the game, clear as day. Hiding behind a mask, Skull Kid thinking that nobody wants to be his friend, the moon children who talk about what you mean to yourself, etc. Most of this comes out at the very end, where it mattered. Nothing wild and unfounded like grief, accepting death, or whatever boulderdash people come up with on this board.

>>112029263
>A lot of other games can have the theme of stepping into adult hood present
I don't really see this in anything except maybe Wind Waker and Ocarina of Time.

>>112029930
You can in MM though. I remember getting so fucking mad when I got Epona's song, but I couldn't fucking ride her as a kid. Was that so hard to implement or something? Did they want to make getting the horse as an adult something more epic or something?

>>112030128
miyamoto's been more involved in skyward sword than he was with pikmin, and he was very involved in that.

>I'd like you to tell me how Majora's Mask is explicitly about grief -- other than the fact that there are people in the game who act sad.
I'd like you to tell me how animal farm is about communism - other than the fact that the animals set up a communist society.

holy shit why did I open this thread
>these fucking Link images

>>112030128
>Meimouto knows as much about Zelda as your grandma did when she watched you play Link to the Past.

You know Shota, I don't like replying to you (troll trolling trolls and shit), but this time I agree with you.
Miyamoto = Zelda gameplay, don't ask him about timeline or story.

>>112030412
it's a dumb avatarfag who likes to pretend he knows shit. Ignore him.

someone needs to set up some kind of script so that if someone posts with these link images the post will be invisible.

>>112030128
Miyamoto is always present in Zelda, it usually leads to issues. He so created the series, so I am going to believe what he says over some random pedophile on 4chan. The themes are present in titles even like TP. Link is never and adult, being 17!=adulthood.

>>112030707
>He so created the series

Take a deep breath Billy

ALRIGHT, WE ALL KNOW HOW ANNOYING SHOTALINK IS, SO LET'S JUST IGNORE HIM.

Kaepora Gaebora is Zelda's father.
So Rauru is OoT Zelda's grandfather

Personally, I think it's Navi. It only seems to be the most likely possibility. For one, she seems to leave with no word to Link, who may have ignored it at the time to warn Zelda so he could save his timeline. Saria seems unlikely since since she didn't seem like the type to get lost like that.

I did, however once have this crazy idea that Tatl and tael may have been Navi split into two, since Tatl's final words almost sound like she had remembered something about Link.

>>112027852
>poorly written plot

Yeah you can fuck off retard. You have no taste whatsoever.

>>112031094
I don't follow your logic for the spoiler.

>>112027846
Ikana Canyon.

>>112030346
I've never read Animal Farm. I have analyzed Majora's Mask, taken notes on dialogue that seemed meaningful, and wrote a report on it. Off the top of my head, here are points of interest if you want to analyze the plot (in no particular order):
1. Cutscene with Tatl & Tael meeting Skull Kid
2. Happy Mask Salesman explaining Majora's Mask origin
3. The beginning lines
4. Song of Healing segments
5. Anju's Grandma's story of the four giants
6. The Four Giants segments after completing a dungeon
7. Everything that happens after playing the Oath to Order during the end of the game

There's a chance that there might be another theme I'm missing, but self-concept is certainly the primary subject in Majora's Mask.

>>112031094
Rauru isn't the king's father, you dumbfuck.

>>112031261

What's fucking creepy is the fact that you actually wear masks of dead people one of whom (the zora) you helped to "kill".

I always thought he was looking for the skull kid since the kid even mentions that Link was the one who "played that song with (him)" a long time ago at the end of the game.

>>112031459
You didn't kill him, you helped him die and bring peace to his soul.

>>112031303
>I've never read animal farm
what the fuck? You expect me to listen to anything you say regarding storytelling if you can't take the time to read a simple 100 page book that you should've read if you went to highschool in the first place?

good day, sir.

>>112031539
Well of course he did play with him, but it doesn't mean he is actually looking for him. I honestly assumed that he was looking for Navi because when the text states the shit about looking for a dear friend, it makes the little fairy wing sound effect.

>>112031323
Rauru = Kaepora I guess
Kaepora = Zelda's father; this means that Kaepora (and probably all of it incarnations) are part of the royal family (I don't know about the howl incarnation)
So...
Rauru = Part of the royal family.
I really hope nobody takes this shit seriously

>>112031590
>he didn't read a book that was SODEEP in high school
>his opinion is invalidated
I haven't read it either but you are a faggot

>>112031589

That's fucking bullshit and you know it, that one could be saved, plus the fact that you steal his identity.

>>112030707
> I am going to believe what he says over some random pedophile on 4chan
I'm not making this stuff up, it's the truth. The only inference I've ever made in this thread is the meaning of Majora's Mask. Meimouto has said a lot of things, and most of them do not connect at all to what the people writing Zelda are writing. There is a quote somewhere talking about them admitting that they had to sneak stuff in the games because of Meimouto's shallow perceptions. You want to know something about Zelda? Don't ask Meimouto, unless you want to know his intentions, and those intentions are not guaranteed to parallel the end result.

I'm not a paedophile.

>Link is never and adult, being 17!=adulthood.
What?

>>112031590
Sorry, I never had to read Animal Farm in school, nor have I held a strong interest in literature.

>>112030897
Sorry, its my fucking auto correct
He also created*

>>112031898
I thought he was injured...
and then the fucking faggot stood up and began singing

>>112031765
>hasn't read animal farm
>calls it SODEEP
I'm not trying to end up being a huge defender of it, but it's only 100 fucking pages and is a very good book. How haven't you read it?

>>112031952
>nor have I held a strong interest in literature
and yet you're trying to discuss storytelling? Literature is the core basis for all other storytelling mediums.

>that feel when you can't remember almost anything from MM....

I played that game while borrowing my friends N64 or what every console it was on.
Good times. Except I sucked at the game and can't remember shit.

>>112031765
Animal farm should be read by everyone, it is an important book
This also adds to the fact that Shota is obviously underage. the best thing to do is report and ignore him

>>112032259
>that feel when I remember almost everything about it, and my friend constantly calls me up for help and I can instantly visualize where he is in my head.

>>112031898
If you didn't notice, he was already dying, you fuck. Also

"The "Song of Healing" heals troubled spirits and souls, turning them into masks." And if you see it like he stole his identity, then he also stole Darmani's identity and the Deku Butler's son's as well. Which he didn't.

It's Navi, bro. Nintendo said so themselves.

http://www.nintendo.co.uk/NOE/en_GB/games/n64/legend_of_zelda_majoras_mask.html

>>112031952
You lie a lot and misconstrue you opinions as fact. The theme of where'd adult hood is present in most every Zelda, don't deny it. Just because Link maybe 17 in some titles does not mean that he is an adult.

>>112028346
According to the new movies coming out, he is a replicant.

>>112032389

That's another one, Darmani, "Hey your daddy's alive, lol no it's just a kid with a mask".

I felt bad doing this things.

>>112032485
Stepping into adulthood* stupid fucking android

>>112032099
Isn't that ad hominem? I played Majora's Mask all the way through, so I should be as inclined to comment on it as anybody else. If reading Animal Farm will make you listen to me, then I'd happily do so. Can I get extra credit by listening to the Animal album by Pink Floyd as well?

>>112032485
>The theme of where'd adult hood is present in most every Zelda
Okay? You can cite your sources any minute now...!

>>112032620
You try to make statements on storytelling and yet you haven't read something as simple as animal farm.

I know you won't read animal farm, but that would be helpful so you can understand my post.

Last I checked, MM and OoT took place in two separate universes, just as almost every Zelda game has been.

>>112032822

What made MM so great wasn't so much the plot as it was the atmosphere and the interactions between all the people of Termina.

>>112032856
Someone already state this already?

Oh god, this thread is awful. Anyway, replay MM. In the intro, when it mentions that Link searching for a "beloved friend," you can hear an audio cue that will tell you who it is.

It's the tinkling sound Navi makes. Tatl's and Tael's are actually slightly different.

Failing all this, Nintendo already confirmed it was Navi anyways.

>That feel when an avatarfag shits all over a thread about your favorite game

>>112032944
no, it's just that ocarina of time is the game that causes the timeline split. It's not specifically in either adult or child timeline.

>>112032822
MM is a direct sequel to OoT, you spitfuck. Are you really fucking saying this?

>>112033029
Well, the timeline for that universe, anyway.

>>112033118
Oh boy here we go.

I'm under the impression that this is the "correct" Zelda timeline?

>>112032799
Yeah, that's ad hominem. Please don't reply if you're just going to insult me. I cannot stand childish behaviour.

>>112032822
Are you trolling?

>>112032987
This is true. It seems that friend Link was searching for really was Navi. Thanks for contributing!

>>112032620
Miyamoto, he has said it
>aLttP
All though link is not really a "character yet" he is not an adult, and is forced to save the kingdom after his uncle dies in front of him
Im not going to talk about OoT and MM because you said a few posts ago that the theme is present.
>WW
Linkbis an obvious child just trying to save his sister, and ends up trying to save Hyrule from its inevitable doom, but saves the great sea
>MC
again, link is a child, forced to save Zelda and the golden force from vatti
>TP
Link is just your average ordinary villager, and he ends up being thrown into saving a kingdom that doesnt even exist is his dimension, as well as hyrule and Zelda.
>SS
From the trailers it is obvious that Link is just an average citizen of skyloft. It seems as though Zelda is captured, and he goes after her because of her being a friend/girl friend. He ends up getting sucked into something deeper that we have yet to know about.
Care to tell me your thoughts on each respective title and the theme?

>>112033164
Yep.
There's no way to connect every Zelda game into a single timeline right now anyway.

>>112033029
The majority of OoT was in the adult timeline, up until Zelda sends you back. What splits the timeline specifically is either the act of Zelda sending Link back, or Link changing the past (i.e., telling Zelda about what will go down with Ganondorf if they open the Door of Time).

>>112033164
Pretty much, yes. Only Skyward Sword is missing before OoT.

>>112033164
That's the correct way to display how the split timeline works, yes, but not the full timeline itself.

>>112033164
the official canon for the timeline includes phantom hourglass and spirit tracks, but other than that it's a very good way for people knew to the timeline to understand how ocarina, majora, waker, and twilight princess connect.

>>112033205
it's not ad hominem, you're trying to understand storytelling while not giving a fuck about books.

>>112033205
>I cannot stand childish behaviour.
Come now Shotafag, we ALL know that's a lie.

I don't know about everyone else, but Navi sure as fuck wasn't MY friend. Couldn't stand her and I was damn glad she was nowhere to be found in MM. I always interpreted the opening as Link looking for Saria. Frankly, I never even considered otherwise until after I came to /v/ a few years back.

Seriously, Navi can go eat a dick. A normal sized human dick that she has to unhinge her fucking tiny fairy jaw to even have a hope of a prayer of getting her mouth around even a tiny fraction of it. And then it proceeds to skullfuck her. Only it's not so much a skullfucking as it is a savage beating from a (relatively) giant, horrible, vein-y phallus. A beating that leaves her miniscule bones ground into dust and her internal organs transformed into an unrecognizable paste. All of the organs. All of them.

>>112033081
Well, it was a very honest assumption, as that had been the case for most of the games prior. They only so rarely break that medium that it's kind of hard to keep up. Last I remember, there was no direct tie ingame to the two games, but that's just my memory. You can continue to talk shit about what could've turned out to be an interesting twist of fate in the series.

I think the Moon symbolizes HMS' anger and wanting his mask back. and how termina is nothing more than an infinite loop of time no matter how many times Link dies, HMS drags him back to the first day. Link can't escape until he's restored Termina.

>>112033205
I guess it is an ad hominem, but you have stated that your are too young to shave, which leads me to believe you are not 18, and should not be on 4chan. A quilt look at the global rules would show you that even though a board may've SFW, you still must be 18 to come on 4chan

Guys...
Am I the only one who thinks that the Knight Academy thing in SS is cool as hell?

he watched saria become a sage retard

>>112033542
>he doesn't know fairies are made of light and don't even have an actual physical body

>>112033592
quick look*

>>112033584
>I think the Moon symbolizes HMS' anger and wanting his mask back.
Except it's stated in-game that the Moon was given sentience by Majora and told to fall from its orbit.
>no matter how many times Link dies, HMS drags him back to the first day.
That's only because you 'd otherwise get a game over if there wasn't something there to reset the game. It's not because he has some godly power or anything. MM is probably my second favorite Zelda, after ALTTP, but you're looking way into this shit, dude. And making up your own shit.

>>112033542
I liked when Navi said something like "This time we fight together!" when fighting Ganon.

>>112033660
Well they have wings, at least. I'd just love to rip those little shits off, chew 'em up, and spit 'em right back in her nonexistent, glowing "face."

NO, YOU LISTEN, YOU FUCKING EAR-RAPING WHORESKANK!

>>112033542

I never understood why people dont like Navi. It didnt sound like she talked all that much in my playthroughs. And i didnt mind her voice in the first place, i thought she was kind of cool.

>>112033297
I don't see how accomplishing things as a child means a game is necessarily about the overcoming of adolescence (if that is even what you are saying?). There isn't one piece of dialogue in any of those games that reference growing up, coming of age, being a man, etc., etc. like you imply.

>OoT... you said a few posts ago that the theme is present.
I said I wasn't sure. The only thing I can remember is the part where Zelda sends you back as a kid.
>MM
Never said MM was about adulthood.

>>112033402
>Argumentum ad hominem is an attempt to negate the truth of a claim by pointing out a negative characteristic or belief of the person supporting it.
You're basically saying, "you shouldn't say anything about Majora's Mask because you haven't read a book that has nothing to do with it". Have you read The Act of Creation by Arthur Koestler? No? Then I can just as easily say you shouldn't have any thoughts about MM or any other medium based on art either. Please stop replying to me.

>>112033297

Being forced to play a hero doesn't exactly = Becoming adult, but it certainly does mean the theme is an unassuming individual becoming a hero. All the Links are inheirantly selfless, they'd probably give up their right arm if it meant helping somebody.

>>112033542
Navi was one the best friends Link could have. She was really cool.

>>112033864
You are on the ball.

>>112034069
If you deviate from the main quest for even a little while, she'll be all up in your grill every other minute. Like, if I just want to fuck around killing those skeleton fuckers in Hyrule field, I can't even make it through a single night without getting at least a dozen "HEY!"s and what have you.

Shit sucks.

So... how about the Legend of CAWWWWWWW: Skyward Waifu? Personally, I can't wait. For once my cautious optimism has paid off as Nintendo really did seem to learn from the mistakes made in TP.

>>112034475
>Nintendo really did seem to learn from the mistakes made in TP.
They didn't...

I think that Twilight Princess was an excellent game and doesn't deserve nearly as much hate it gets, though I admittedly wasn't too fond of the second batch of Temples.

>>112034550
Shut up.

>>112034606

>>112034602

TP is still amazing, it's just that its flaws stand out more than in other 3D Zeldas.

>>112034428
She's bonkers. Why in the name of fuck does she feel the need to remind you about useless shit you already know so often? It's like she doesn't think you have even a single brain cell. Like you're completely worthless without her advice. That's not a friend. That's a mother in law.

And I already have one, thanks.

>>112034133
Sorry, you said
>I don't really see this in anything except maybe Wind Waker and Ocarina of Time.
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>>112030128
I though you said MM.
MM has the theme present in many ways too,Link was not ready to grow up and went on a search for Navi, he end up in Termina, and has to grow up very fast. At the end of his adventure he found what he was looking for, it wasn't navi, it was his step into adulthood and leaving being a child behind.

>>112034749
Disagree with this. Found WW a little (not much) more flawed.

>>112034917
>Link was not ready to grow up
Um, what? Where in the game does it says that he wasn't ready for anything, let alone growing up?

>At the end of his adventure he found what he was looking for, it wasn't navi, it was his step into adulthood and leaving being a child behind.
You need to watch the ending again. If anybody found what he was looking for, it was Skull Kid.

>>112032263

:(

>>112035395

>>112035395
You need to play that game again, skull kid says "I guess you found what you were looking for", referring to the beginning of the game where Link goes looking for Navi. He ends up learning that he doesn't need Navi, and takes his step out of childhood

>>112035695
Different guy here, but I don't think that finding friendship where you least expected it really counts as the same thing as reaching adulthood.

>>112034917

Majora's Mask in no way hinted that Link was clinging to his childhood and refusing to let it go. Yes, he had to go through something completely as a kid, an experience that would make any child change their perspective, but there hardly any melodrama about Link "having to becoming an Adult Goron and stop being a kid" or some nonsense.

>>112035822
There were other things that went along with it though. Think about it, Link is what, 10? He only real friend just left him, and what does he do, he goes out to find her. He doesn't end up finding never, but instead overcomes childhood, and moves on, ready to step into adulthood

>>112035991
finding Navi*

>>112035822

Finding new friends isn't strictly an adult lesson, it's something plenty of kids learn.

>A hero whom he parted with after his journey

Something down those lines. It's Navi, dude.

>>112035695
> skull kid says "I guess you found what you were looking for", referring to the beginning of the game where Link goes looking for Navi.
I'm not sure about that.

>Tatl: "Well, both of us have gotten what we were after... So this is where you and I part ways, isn't it? You know...it was kind of fun."
I always thought that line was about retrieving Majora's Mask.

>>112035991
I would tell you that the end could suggest he gave up looking on Navi... If we didn't see him in the Lost Woods aimlessly riding on Epona, just as he was in the beginning.

Not to sound like an obligatory faggot, but I was at my friend's the other day, and I noticed he had one of those Majora's Mask books, and it said the same old shit about him "looking for a long lost friend" but it also stated that the inhabitants of Termina had never even heard of Hyrule, and that Termina was probably an alternate dimension. I don't know how canon this shit is or how many times we've gone over how canon this shit is, but it's apparently Nintendo official shit.

>>112036542
It wasn't about majora's mask, Link's true intentions were never about it, it was just the main evil/enemy in the game that needed to be stopped. Link, however, was looking for Navi, unable to deal with her leaving because he was a child. He wasn't ready to let his only friend go.

>not having a boner for Tatl

>>112036598

For the most part, mangas and novelizations are considered non-canon unless the game makers specifically say otherwise. Hell, Kojima initially didn't care about the Zone of the Enders ova and anime, and even the GBA game, but later said "Yes, they're part of the canon".

>>112036598
Any thing that is not a game, I would say DO NOT CONSIDER IT CANON

>>112035024
WW and TP are two sides of the same flawed coin. WW had tons of explorations, little storylines, cool interactions, and random shit to do. The world was huge and felt alive. The dungeons? Pretty bland and lackluster. And don't get me started on the triforce shards...

TP was the opposite. While it had a hugish world there was very very little to do and explore. Practically no side quests, and just very little to it. But its dungeons? Easily the best of the series.

I hope SS combines the strengths of the two into one cohesive badass game.

>>112036598
Well, Termina was created when the Goddesses' creation magic seeped through some cracks in space-time. And the Interlopers are said to have come from Termina, who were banished to the Twilight Realm after trying to get the Triforce in the Hyrulean Civil War. This would be perfect fuel for the Terminians coming to hate the Goddesses if the Interlopers were ancestors of the Terminians.

>>112037109

WW dungeons were good, but certainly at times did feel kinda shortish and didn't have you going back to many rooms to check for shit. But the real flaw was that the ocean was just too big. Sure, it made it feel realistic so that Ganon wasn't just spitting distance from Outset, but the fact that the islands were so small and greatly apart just felt tiring to many. Still, it was fun and felt like the original's exloration based tone.

TP had some nice hidden places, just not enough, and definitely it could have used some extra diviations in the paths, so you could just get lost exploring.

>>112036754
>It wasn't about majora's mask
It's not clear. Look up the original Japanese script and see if it says anything more specific.

>...unable to deal with her leaving because he was a child. He wasn't ready to let his only friend go.
You're making this up. Link not only had Saria established as a friend, but Zelda as well. This whole thing about Link not being ready to lose Navi because of his refusal to grow up is unfounded as well.

>>112037240
>Termina was created when the Goddesses' creation magic seeped through some cracks in space-time
>And the Interlopers are said to have come from Termina
Where the heck are you getting from?! Ugh... Am I getting trolled?

>>112036949
I'm recently playing Majora's Mask for the first time and she's really cool.

It IS female, right?

>>112037502
But he lost Saria, once Link leaves pulls the sword, Saria is gone forever, she becomes a sage. He was banished from Kokiriki Village too, and everyone placed blame on him for killing the great deku tree. I really wouldn't call Zelda a "friend" malon was more a friend than Zelda.

>>112037240

>Interlopers came from Termina

Nothing says this for certain, same goes for it's creation through "cracks in space time", that's all speculation.

As far as we know, Termina is either an alternate dimesion, a seperate land that is on the same planet as Hyrule (some fanfiction even assert this), or possibly a dreamscape exclusive to Link's mind, unlike the two seen in LA and PH which were by-products of a spiritual being's own mind).

Link's childhood friend was that pet Like-Like he had who would swallow Link and clean his orifices with its internal tentacles while Link was ingested.

>>112037704
>>112037502
I'd love to think that this is a samefag.

I think I'm right.

>>112037801
It isn't, I do not think Shota samefags