Marines are relatively few in numbers and cannot be everywhere, they are also difficult to replace. There are limitless orks and they reproduce like fungus. Literally.

Marines are all males because the Emperor was male, and he is the genetic template for the Marines.

Women never had any place both in ancient and modern military.

They are a distraction, they don't perform aswell as male soldiers.

Because Space Marines are really hard to produce. Not only do they have the most intense training ever with recruits taken from the hardiest stock at birth, but the process of becoming a space marine also involves a gradual process of implanting over a dozen organs that can only be grown in very limited quantity.

Anyone can become a guardsman, hence why you have billions of guardsmen available and only a million space marines.

>>107973521

This. Marine number in the tens of thousands *maybe*, while the Guard is easily billions strong.

It's also hard to make new suits of power armor, technology like that isn't exactly common in the days of the 41st Millennium

>>107973814
Oh yeah, I also forgot that Space Marine equipment is either hard to produce or flatout irreplaceable relics.

>>107973814

millions of Marines, >>107973705 is right**

Even still, with only 1000 chapters Marines aren't exactly plentiful.

Technically, there are female space marines: The Sisters Of Battle. But while they're closer to Marines than Guardsmen, they're still not Space Marines.

BECAUSE THE FUCKING IMPERIAL GUARD IS SENT WAVE AFTER WAVE TO CRASH INTO THE ENEMY AND FUCKING KILL THE SHIT OUT OF THEIR FUCKING DEFENSES, AND DRAIN THE ENEMIES AMMO.

/THEN/ THE FUCKING SPACE MARINES WALTZ IN AND SHOOT FOUR PEOPLE, AND TAKE ALL THE FAME.

Fuck marines.

Think of it like the US Armed forces. Marines are much fewer in number than soldiers, and are used differently. Marines are used as shock troops to assault and capture objectives, after which they (generally) move on, and the Army moves in to hold the ground.

Spess Mehreens zip around the cosmos, assaulting hot points and engaging at critical locations. You still need people to HOLD the ground and be your garrison troops, and that's the guard, although they do also engage in offensive operations as well, same as the US Army.

Are sisters of battle consider to be space marines?

>>107973989
SoBs simply have power armor and fanatic zeal. They completely lack the genetic modifications that make them superhuman likes space marines have.

>>107973385
there are 1000 chapters, each legally allowed to have 1000 astrates. so that's roughly 1 million marines to split among millions of worlds.

space marines are a deep strike force. imperial guard fills a battlefield with men and they have their own strategies that are very effective, but space marines just kinda make a bee-line for the enemies critical holdings and destroy them.

>>107973814

>Billions

You misspelled trillions

You think space marines can drive those vehicles the imperium use? Have you ever wondered why Orks always fucking use the imperial guards vehicles?

Did someone call in the vanguard?

Imperial Guardsmen are the backbone of the military. They can handle most engagements with relative ease and most of them never even see combat on any real scale. Space Marines are called in when the Imperium either needs to neutralize a threat before it spreads, there's something Guard can't defend against, or the home systems of the Marines themselves are under attack. That's why you only see Spess Mahrins in action in battles that are truly out of hand. Plus, Marines are difficult to cultivate and engineer, so there just aren't enough of them around to defend all of the billions of worlds in the Imperium.

>>107973385
The Imperial Guards soften up most of them, and each chapter tends only have about 1,000 Marines at a time, other than the Black Templars.

And the females are the Sisters of Battle, they rarely are shown.

>>107974247

>Technically, there are female space marines: The Sisters Of Battle. But while they're closer to Marines than Guardsmen, they're still not Space Marines.
> they're still not Space Marines.

The Sisters of Battle are a far more religious arm of the Imperium than the Marines, they're basically dedicated to rooting out heresy along with the Inquisition.

>>107974285

True that.

everyone is not suitable to be space marine.
imperial guard is just cannon fodders.

>>107974359
You'd actually be surprised how many people use rhinos and land raiders for ork conversions. Before the actually battlewagon model came out, a common practice was to make one out of a land raider kit.

Fluff-wise, it does seem kinda silly.

>>107973544
wow, you don't know shit.

>>107973385
the reason there are no female space marines is because space marines are CREATED through the genes of the primarchs, who were in tern created from the genes of the emperor.

its the Y chromosome itself that matters. every other branch of the imperium treats men and women equally.

If they had less Guardsmen working on developing the colonies and such industrially end economically, therefore being able to produce more Space Marines, wouldn't that be worth it?

Maybe that's just the RTS player in me (economy booming trumps all), but it seems logical, considering how much more a SM is worth.

>>107973521
How DO orks reproduce?

can sotbs get pregnant? and what would happen if some imperium guard soldier raped one.

Imperial Guard are easy to make.

Adeptus Astartes(The Space Marines) aren't.
The training for an Adeptus Astartes is very lengthy, I don't know the exact training regime Ultramarines have, but I do know one of the most powerful(and the single-most defaced ever since Matt Ward reared his ugly head) groups of Adeptus Astartes, the Grey Knights, have 666 training rules that are FUCKING HARD to do, even most veteran Space Marines will call them difficult. It's hard to get shit-loads of them, basically.

>>107974772
Spreading spores. Seriously. They just shoot out spores when they die and those become Orks.

1,000,000 Space Marines for the entire galaxy.

Countless untold billions of IG.

>>107974786
If they have the standard creation of a Space Marine, then no, they cannot. Most Marines are made from the Emperor's Genes anyway.

>>107974877
so who wins if they fight?

>>107974641
For one, putting people to work in factories is way off from being the key to making more space marines.

Second, there are so many guardsmen because the Imperium NEEDS to have that many at any moment, considering there are enemies working towards the Imperium's demise in every part of the galaxy.

>>107974897
primarchs, not emperor.

the primarchs were the one's created from the emperor.

seriously if a sister of battle gets raped by an IG what happens.

Marines are recruited only from the most hardcore of the hardcore humans in the universe.
And then they go through initiation so hardcore that their previous hardcore life seems not hardcore at all. In fact, it makes it look anti-hardcore.
Imperial guard are more expendable to Imperium of Man than dust is to us. Have you played Call of Duty 3 (before it was bad)? Remember russian missions? Especially the first one? Multiply it by infinity and that's what being a guardsman is like.

>>107974089
IG don't kill everything but 4 people. There's usually several Killa Kan's and thousands of Shoota's and Nobs that they simply cannot kill. That's when the Marines are sent in.

>>107975123
more like if an IG gets raped by a sister of battle what happens

>>107974277
Not every chapter has about 1,000.
Take the Black Templars for example, they have WELL OVER 1,000 Marines.

Chaos here.

Fuck the Imperium.

Lick on my butt, suck on my nuts.

>>107975123
If it was a SISTER OF BATTLE, it would never happen.

If it was a different member of the Adepta Sororitas, then any rapist would be immediately killed if they ever get accused.

>>107974807
>>107974807
>>107974807

Spores?

youz be kiinding right?

>>107974247
>http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Imperium
chart explains a lot

>>107974641

It's not a question of whether or not you have enough money to produce Space Marines.

You have to pick them as kids/teens. Train them rigorously while adding implants and other shit that'll kill off a good bunch of them.

After that they start serving as Scouts. Once they've proven themselves they count as a proper Space Marine.

And this takes years to do.

Meanwhile, with the Guard, you teach them to point the gun in the right direction, how to maintain the gun, slap some shitty cardboard armor on them and send them off to die.

>>107975447
Nope.
Orks are fucking walking fungus. They release spores.

>>107975399
Only good one of you Heretics is Nurgle.

>>107975123
if I was running that scenario in one of the RPG games, I'd have a group of sisters team up for extraction of honorable revenge.

bear in mind that specific rules vary from one part of the imperium to the next.

its been written that if the entire priesthood of the imperial cult were to hold a forum to discuss how to worship the emperor, it would result in an imperium-wide civil war as everyone declares each other heretics.

>>107974924
the guard. the marines would run out of ammo and fuel for their ships before they got done killing a fraction of the guard numbers.
>>107974772
spores, like mushrooms.
funfact: orks in 40k are classified as hazardous vegetation or harazdous funghi. so yeah..

>>107975123
Same thing that happens when a rhinoceros gets raped by a frog.

>>107974641

Producing Space Marines isn't just a matter of "throw more people at it". They need to be trained basically from the moment they can walk, put through all a manner of grueling training regimen, and finally they are implanted with a geneseed, which is basically a concentrated biological mass of genes from their primarch, among other things. The geneseed is what makes a Space Marine a Space Marine, as it spurns on the creation of the second heart and ridiculous muscle structure and whatnot. Every geneseed must also be recovered from fallen marines because the Primarchs aren't around anymore, cloning technology doesn't exist on level that can reproduce geneseeds willy-nilly, and geneseeds are also how new Chaos Marines are created (even though most Chaos Marines are thousands of years old).


There's also the whole matter of Space Marine equipment like power and Terminator armour being insanely hard if not impossible to reproduce easily.

>>107975447

No hes quite serious. Its a goofy mechanic but it helps fuel how innumerable they are, and it keeps battles on planets going until they scorch the earth basically.
Think you took care of the orc infestation? Nope, few years later they are back

>>107975322
yes, which is why I think their codex says the inquisition would very much like to speak with their commanders.
because the legal limit is 1000.

>>107975447

Nope. The Orks are a fungal race that was made by another race specifically to fight and fight only. They have innate instincts that teach them how to fight/drive/pilot. Most of them end up just being feral orks until one ork happens to be a bit smarter than the others at which point he'll unite them into a horde.

>>107975581

If im not mistaken though the forces of Chaos(thanks to ex-Emperor's Children senior Apothecary Fabius Bile) are able to clone gene seed, he even created a full clone of Horus at one point

>>107975447
He's not kidding.
They're also INCREDIBLY powerful reality warping psykers(they make vehicles move faster because they're fucking red)

>>107974807
But if they shoot out spores when they die why even try fighting them if it's only going to make more of them

>>107975540

Also, every single ork is a latent psychic.

Funfact #2: The orks are the most powerful psychic race in the universe, though they don't actually know it. Orks believe that if a vehicle is painted red, it will go faster. This is actually true for them, both story-wise and tabletop gameplay-wise (you can spend points to give a vehicle red paint to increase its movement range) - because every single ork believes it, the combined psychic power of all the orks actually makes red vehicles go faster.

>>107975399

hey op you missed the board about 40k

fucking faggot

>>107975878
The Imperium is not known for common sense.

>>107975939
Warhammer 40k is vidya. It has several games and is getting another this September.

Don't the Astartes have the means to swell their numbers far past 1,000, but it's illegal or something?

>>107975785
I haven't heard anything about this, I must admit, but I imagine that any kind of cloning tech would be something that Fabius Bile would keep to himself rather than it being a widespread thing. With the amount of in-fighting Chaos does, sharing the tech would be a bad idea, anyway.

>>107975878

You're right, it's extremely difficult to permanently remove orks from a world they've seeded. However if you DON'T keep them suppressed, they'll eventually band together into a WAAAGH! and start conquering entire systems.

>>107975897

They paint stuff blue to make it luckier, and they paint their bombs yellow because that makes them explode more.

They also paint things purple because purple is sneakiest

their reasoning for this is that you have never seen a purple army before

>>107975878

When fighting orks you have two choices.

1. Let them overrun everything and hope they don't manage to find anything that'll take them into space.

2. Kill all of them, burn the bodies and then have some Guardsmen deal with the few orks that end up popping up.

>>107976068
They can(see the Black Templars), but they simply do not because they try not to break the Emprah's law.

When I used to play 40k tabletop, I met some guy who had a Nurgle chaos army who referred to the Sisters of Battle the Sissies of Battle. And damn straight, God do they suck in that game. Best shit I remember is having a 6 person battle - 1 guy with his huge fucking Zerg army, versus everyone else. Necrons fighting side by side with SM, Chaos, and Eldar. We still lost.

Also OP, IG are just the vast arm of the Imperium used as ground-holding troops. They aren't used as shock troops like the SM's are.

>>107975897

This is what I love about the 40k universe. It is both ridiculously tongue-in-cheek and 100% serious at the same time.

>>107976010

shooshshsoooshshsoshsosh *pap pap*

don't respond to the troll

AFAIK, the 1,000 Marines per chapter isn't a law set in stone so much as a rule in the Codex Astartes. A chapter doesn't have to follow it but if they don't want the Ultramarines fucking their shit up, they'll have to.

Of course, you do have a few chapters that still don't give a shit anyways.

>>107976160
If it does become an issue, though, I do believe that a new chapter can be chartered, although this would be a very uncommon occurrence. The the amount of fighting they do, chapters are never really at their full 1,000 fighting strength.

>>107976140
Just wait until /v/ makes a 40k chapter. We'll see Green and Purple Marines.

space marines are not normal humans

>>107976260

*Tyranids. Wow, what a fuck up...

Question about the Chaos..
Uhh why do they leave their chapters?

Are they just like?
>LOL FUCK DA EMPEROR XD!
>corruption
>freedom from endless life of battling

i really don't know

>>107975878
The ground where orks were fighting/living is usually burned. This kills the spores.

>>107975447
Nope, Orks are asexual fungi.

>>107976360

It's sort of like MGS in that respect.

>>107976140
>>107976111
>>107975897
>>107975800

More WH40k funfacts please, I really enjoy reading these and they are something else then hurr 1 spacemarine can kill 5000000 haloguise

>>107976486

There was a big civil war between the Space Marines way way back due to one Primarch getting possessed by the Chaos gods. The chapters that followed him ended up as Chaos Marines.

>>107974247
>Are sisters of battle consider to be space marines?

Sisters kinda suck compared to Marines, majorly. They more on storm trooper than anything else.

Does the PS3 have games in this universe

>>107976555
The Grey Knights are all Psykers, and not one has ever been tainted by Chaos anywhere but their training.
They're the single most pure groups, and never take war-trophies, they only wear decoration given to them by their superiors.
Oh, and they only fight Daemonic forces.

>>107976486

Most Chaos Marines are literally thousands of years old: They decided to side with Horus during the Horus Heresy, a time when the Imperium was decidedly less KILL THE HERETIC BAAAARGHSGHSDANBNBD. New Chaos Space Marines come from the few Space Marines who succumb to the Ruinous Powers for one reason or another.

They can also be created in a manner somewhat similar to regular Space Marine creation, but what they stick the geneseed into isn't necessarily human.

>>107976704
In contrast, take the Black Templars(even in name they're opposite), who wear battle-trophies constantly, are prone to being corrupted, and NOT ONE of them is a Psyker(they fucking HATE Psykers), and they fight just about anything.

so warhammer 40k is a setting for tabletop games like dungeons and dragons right?

so why hasn't there ever been something like neverwinter nights set in wh40k?

>>107976858
There's RTS games like Dawn of War but that's the best I remember.

>>107976486

The Horus Heresy happened, and the leader of the corrupted SMs (Horus) went around to the various chapters recruiting for the forces of Chaos. At the last stand when Horus attacked Terra (where the Emperor lives) was attacked. The Emperor went onto Horus' starship and killed him but was left mortally wounded.

Technology keeps his psyche alive but his body is pretty much dead at this point.

>>107976858
Probably because Games Workshop is a bunch of super jews

>>107976858

not exactly like DnD, it's a miniature game.

People build armies based on these miniatures and have ridiculously accurate battles with them.

I would love to get into it, but I know I don't have the attention span to learn all of the rules and build a good army and blah blah blah.

It's also expensive as fuck.

>>107976935
Isn't he a skull in a chair now?

>>107976935
Technology and the souls of countless psychers.

>>107976831
>Are prone to being corrupted.
No

>>107976555

A Space Marine can spit acid
A Space Marine can learn somethings memories by eating it
A Space Marine has a film of secretion over their skin that allows them to survive in the vacuum for a time

The 1000 Astartes-per chapter rule is easily circumvented by creating an offshoot chapter directly tied to yours, like how the Ultramarines are the ones that follow the Codex most strictly but have a SHIT load of subchapters, and if they rallied all of the chapters of the Ultramar their numbers would dwarf any loyalist chapter.

The Thousand Sons are one of the most interesting chapters, as they never willingly turned to Chaos and were decieved into it(Much like the Emperor's Children) and a portion of their Marines are now souls bound to their Armor with no one inside thanks to a spell went wrong known as the Rubric.

One of the higher ups of the Sons of Horus was assassinated in place of Horus by mortal assassins sent by the Emperor, and had it been Horus the insurrection likely wouldn't have reached critical mass.

Moar fun facts?

Haven't kept up with anything 40k in a long time.

Have the 'Nids done anything of note or do they get beat back by pure bullshit everytime?

>>107975897
Can't some asshole troll just tell the Orks that they have psychic powers?

>>107976555

One time, the emperor sent probes out of the universe.

All that they heard out there was "ORKS ORKS ORKS ORKS ORKS" chanted over and over.

GW have hinted that the Tyranids came to this universe because they were running from something.

Put it together.

>>107976637
>>107976796
>>107976935

I love reading this stuff.

>>107975399

You can't breath guardsmen

>>107976486
So back in the year 30,000 when the Emperor still walked among men, his twenty primarch sons each led their own legion of space marines to conquer the galaxy. The problem, though, is that despite being demigods, the primarchs weren't exactly the most emotionally stable individuals and exhibited human flaws. This made them susceptible to influence and corruption from the Chaos gods, who were then beings that only the Emperor really knew about. And so, when the favored son and warmaster Horus fell to Chaos, half of his brothers were also swayed in joining in his rebellion against the Emperor, bringing along their space marine forces who followed their every command with blinding loyalty.

That's how things went down in a nutshell, in any case.

>>107977031
Dem thousand sons elite squads.
Two fucking LP

>>107977097

They'd call him a git and shoot him up.

>>107977140

oh shit

see this is what I mean

it's so tongue in cheek but it's so serious

>>107976555
The God Emperor is the first Adeptus Astartes, and literally every Space Marine is pretty much a spitting image of him, even the Primarchs who make the Marines. Though the God Emperor kinda died and is a skull in a chair powered by Psykers now.

>>107977097
Considering Orks beat the shit out of anything that isn't an Ork, nobody would probably be able to do that, let alone convince them it's true.

>>107977097

That's like trying to teach calculus to a bunch of mushrooms. Big mushrooms with huge teef and arms strong enough to rip you apart.

>>107976555

Ragnar, a legendary member of the Space Wolves chapter of Space Marines, was sent to find an artifact of their chapter that belonged to their Primarch, Leman Russ (whom the IG Tanks are named after), called the Spear of Russ. Though he found it, Chaos Marines of the Thousand Sons chapter attacked and tried to open a portal to the realm of Tzeentch, the Changer Of The Ways. Ragnar just happened to be there at the same time and wound up staring eye-to-eye with a Chaos God. So, he did what any self-respecting marine in his position would do:

He stabbed a god in the eye with the Spear of Russ.

i don't mean to offend

but just HOW neckbeardy is the 40k playerbase?

I mean there's a shitload of lore here

>>107977140
Don't you mean the galaxy?

>>107976935

There were PLENTY of members of the "traitor legions" that were still loyal to the Emprah, just to clarify for newfriends in 40k.
There were a series of battles in the Istavan System that the Chaos forces systematically killed off the loyal members of their own Chapters.
If you read(or read the synopsis of) Flight of the Eisenstien you get a good look at loyalist members of traitor chapters doing great things.
Fulgrim and some other books have INCREDIBLE tales of loyalist forces fighting off their traitor counterparts. Horus' own inner circle of commanders was split, 2 were traitor(one being Abbadon the current warmaster of chaos) and the other two being killed in a huge battle that destroyed a building

>>107977397
The tabletop game?

You might not want to bother with them.

>>107977097
They had psychics, they were called Weird Boyz.

They had to have handlers to follow them around the battlefield or you'd lose control of them. They'd either run away or randomly fly around the battlefield, belching blasts of psychic plasma vomit everywhere indiscriminately hitting things before they blew up.

They were all destroyed when one of the warbosses brought out a WAAAAAAGH so huge that the people it killed that every Weird Boy in the universe was caught up in the latent psychic energy released.

All their heads exploded simultaneously.

>>107977397
Enough neckbeard that if you shaved them all you could make a giant neckbear.

Orks have magic voodoo waagh powers.

If an ork builds a plane out of scrap, and believes it will work. It probably will.
Even if its on fire and half the engine is missing.
.

>>107977397
It's called "fluff", not lore.

Has the story about the time-traveling Ork been told yet?

That's my favorite!

>>107977481

but it seems like it might be kinda fun after you go through the trouble of learning the rules

I just think the idea of it being a real life RTS is kind of cool.

to my fellow Guardsmen. brofist. god damn Hammer of the Emperor.

>>107977527
If they all agree that 1 + 1 = Dicks then it becomes 1 + 1 = Dicks

OP, if only you'd gone to /tg/ for this question.

They actually know what they're talking about.

>>107977527
Pretty much, the Imperium tried to deconstruct Orky tech and figure out what made them tick.

Turns out their guns don't even have the right components to fire and half of them don't even have any ammo.

>>107977397

It's got a higher-than-average amount of neckbeardy people, but despite that there are a lot of fairly normal people in it (just like pretty much every other fanbase).

guys guys

what if

guys

what


guys

listen

what if all the orks believed that they didn't have powers

Wait so if the Imperium has elite troops like the Marines, don't the orcs also? It'd be pretty lame if they're just numerous cannonfodder :/

>>107976140
We were having this discussion earlier before the thread 404'd, so I'm doing it again.

If orks have this The Secret-style power of making things real by believing in them, shouldn't they be insisible when disguised and trying to sneak?

Obviously these are bad disguises. Yet they use it, because in their heads, much like red goes fasta, this makes them blend in with the surrounding environment so well they're not visible as an Ork, only as a pile of tires. Therefore, they shouldn't be seen as Orks at all.

Does this make any sense?

>>107977670
>Go to /tg/
>Ask them why the IG exists and why there are not any female marines
>MFW

How do the Astartes fight chaos without 99% of their entire chapter dying? I thought the entire point of a Spess Mahreen was to kill things in horrendous ratios, but if Chaos fields even a tenth of an equivalent SM chapter, isn't it going to be a bloodbath?

>>107977751

They have nobz and weird boyz and the like.

The reason there are no honest-to-the-emprah female space marines is because the process to create a space marine is tuned to the specific hormone balance intrinsic to males.

>>107977751

There are larger Orks that are more then just shoota boyz, the Nobz, Warbosses and such. A Warboss can rally an entire sector's Orks into a nearly unstoppable wave of green death

someone tell me some stuff about the Tau

they seem kinda rad

>>107977791
Yes, if they ever decided to do that it would work

>>107977798
But the answer why female marines don't exist is easy.

The gene seed is tied to the male genetic structure.

Zing, question answered, problem solved.

Why they'd get so het up ab-... Oh wait, they have nothing else in their lives, I forgot.

>>107977888
Well you see there's a greater good and they fight for it

>>107976555
This guy right here?
This is an Angry Marine. It's fanon, it's not an actual Marine, until recently, they released a new chapter: The Desert Fangs, which are pretty much the Angry Marines.

Chaos > Everything else

Please stop talking about the Ork psychic ability. It gets so over blown here on /v/.

>>107977791
It makes perfect sense.

They are powerful enough psychics that their beliefs become reality.

>>107977791
But no Ork would ever decide to sneak, it's not really in their nature.

Speaking of Orky nature, I love how they're incredibly smart and good-natured when they're young and as they reach maturity they get slowly more retarded.

I still want an rpg where you play as a Commissar or an Inquisitor who brings together a rag tag crew of guardsmen to uncover heresy and corruption.

>>107977888
no the Tau are faggots

>>107977888
They welcome any friendly race into their society, but slowly sterilize all the alien races so that they die out.

>>107977791

Because it's not perfect. It's not like they can just think "Those gits should be dead!" and then whoever it is will just drop dead.

>>107977816

Chaos Marines and Space Marines are about even in strength.

>>107978042

I just want a classic isometric Dark Heresy RPG set on a hive world, is that too much to ask?

>>107978055
Also their elders brainwash people with pheromones so they follow the tau mantra.

What's the beef on those small Goblin dudes from the demo that explodes when I punch them?

>>107978025
Yeah, that's true. It's like 'they could strap wings on themselves and they would fly' sure i guess... but it's not really the way orks work

>>107978111
Actually, Imperium space marines can be more effective than chaos space marines in some cases, as chaos space marines often are still using equipment from the Horus Heresy.

>>107976432
Guys these pictures arent accurate at all. Look at scout marines, They are much larger and taller than normal humans already but not to this extent. Now remember the intro sequence to sc2 where tychus is putting on his armor, it is like that. Tychus's physique was that of a large human but not all marines were like that. Space marines have different builds and the armor isnt skin tight.

In the actual tabletop game, how different are all of the space marine offshoots?

Like I know there's the Space Marines, but then there's like the Chaos Marines and the Grey Knights and then some of the chapters are their own army or something I don't know

my question is how differently do all of those play

>>107977816
numerous things come into play. Imperium technology IS progressing, just at a snail pace. Current SM's outgear original Chaos SM's because the founding Chaos forces use 10k year old equipment, unless they have been looting.
Chaos forces are blinded by their god of choice, Khorne Flakes like to disregard ranged weaponry and hack and slash, that doesn't fair well against a Chapter that excels in ranged combat.

Thats not to say Chaos don't win their share of engagements. Space Marines are the fan favorite race wise but Chaos has a good following too, you bet GW makes it so they win a bit. Hell at the last worldwide event Chaos made progress into Cadia, one of the most fortified planets in the Imperium

>>107978170
Gretchins, they're like the Imperial Guard of the Orks, only more expendable.

>>107977751
Those would be nobz, of course. Nobz are veterans among Orks, having grown much larger in size and strength due to their long history of fighting. Yes, as Orks fight and exhibit more aggressive and domineering behavior, they're gradually become bigger.

The biggest of all Orks become warbosses, who bully everyone into following his command, usually bringing a (close enough) end to infighting by suggesting that there are actually OTHER creatures that AREN'T Orks among the stars whom they can fight.

and that is how a WAAAGH! starts.

>Marines are so amazingly hard-core that they can take on orks by the millions

This is why i hate relic for butchering the fluff to make this consoleshit game.

>"space marines don't use cover"

...seriously..

>>107977598
Well, it's not that complicated. It just requires much time, which I no longer have. Plus the price for the models is beyond ridiculous.

I prefer the video games. Simply because I feel that games that rely heavily on rolling can get frustrating. Before you say anything, yes, I know a bit of the math behind it. I just feel that it's not exactly my type of game.

Oh, and look what I just found. You know what I searched for.

>>107978203

I also think the "seven foot six" people represented there are FAR too short.

I'm 5'8" and my buddy is 6'7", that's about how much taller he is than I, but the picture is calling them more than seven feet

I love that story about the orks who got lost in the warp.

They just fought demons and shit forever. Constantly spawning new orks.

Its like ork heaven.

>>107978267
And they're also treated like complete shit.

>>107978279
Tactical marines use cover. Assault marines don't.

>>107978025
I actually had a picture to go with that post, but I forgot it because of the captcha. In this case, are they virtually invisible (or at least exactly like the objects they're trying to emulate)?

Also, if the Orks go on a WAAAAAAGH, shouldn't they believe they're unstoppable and, as such, become unstoppable?

Can orks, like, grow in spess mahreen armor when they're just spores

>>107978203
scouts aren't full Marines. they only have some of the augmentations. you are a scout for about a century give or take then you get upgraded to a full marine after seeing enough combat.

>>107978299
I've seen some Heresy

>>107978500
I fucking love Ork disguises.
Especially the one where he's just holding up a picture of a fucking Ultramarine.

>>107978279
you clearly haven't read official 40k novels from black library.

>>107978299

I mean, it's just, there's all these different unit types and it's kind of ridiculous

like there's people who have like five tanks and a bunch of troop transports and shit and that's a little much

aren't there people who play like

okay, i have these forty dudes and you have these forty dudes and we're gonna position our dudes and make them shoot each other.

basically what I am asking is if there are people that play 40k like five year olds playing army men.

>>107978025
>But no Ork would ever decide to sneak, it's not really in their nature.

In the book Fifteen Hours, Gretchins with really shitty guns attempted to sneak up on and snipe entrenched Guardsmen.

>>107977141

There's also the Necrons, a race of self-repairing Terminator robots that fly around in ships that literally consume entire stars as a power source and is led by two members of the C'Tan, a godlike race, one being what is essentially a Grim Reaper and the other being a trickster god (a cosmic troll).

The Imperium believes that each and every machine has inside it a "machine spirit", a fragment of the Machine God. As such, equipment must regularly be blessed and prayers must be offered to the Machine God for it to optimally perform in battle. Though, Space Marines are the only ones that really do this on a personal, individual basis, the IG usually just blesses bigger stuff like lascannons or tanks. This isn't superstition, mind you: Such blessings and prayers are actually required for shit to work.

Lately, though, the fluff heavily implies that while the Machine God is a real thing, it's also a C'Tan that the leaders of the Necrons are from. It's also implied that the members of Adeptus Mechanicus (the "machine priests") actually have known what the Machine God truly is for some time.

>>107978533
What happens is they just get out of the armor because a real Ork duzn't need no fancy awma!

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Creation_of_a_Space_Marine

Just go there and read. Click on anything else that catches your interest while you're at it.

Heres an Ork funfact
They dont actually have any hair the one that look like they have hair actually have a small parasitic life form attached to their skull

>>107978279

It takes a LOT for a Space Marine to consider cover as an option.

>>107978689
powa armour's fer pussies!

>>107978279
That's the one problem with the lore. It the borderline between badass and horseshite, moreso in the newer editions.

Apparently Grey Knights became even more mary-sue.

This thread is a well veiled troll by /tg/.

Touche, you clever neckbeards.

>>107978689
but what if, like, there are other mushroom spess mahreen orks

>>107978170
>>107978267
>>107978417
Gretchin are wussy, cowardly little greenskins that usually carry out supportive roles while the orks themselves do nothing but fight or wreck shit. If they were to actually take part in a battle, they'd either be herded as a meatshield or be manning big guns in the rear, considering they have a better sense of aim and orks are more interested in fighting up close, anyway.

>>107978542
what im saying is that their build wont change much past what they are at. They will have added muscle, reinforced bones, and new organs but even that could only add so much. Besides the armor has to be able to fit the marines into it comfortably. This is why im saying that those pics of marines comparing them to inflatable arm men are ridiculous. The armor has to fit the marine not the other way around.

Just how powerful is the Emperor?

Tom Bombadil powerful?

>>107978939
Or be used as food or to clear minefields

>>107978689
>>107978689

Don't 'ard boyz use lots of armor?

>>107978972
We're talking Woody Allen level powerful here

>>107977888
>>107977928
>>107978052
>>107978055

>>107978972
The Emperor could kill The Flash.

Tru fax.

>>107978972
He was the God of Mankind incarnate.

>yfw there are quite possibly planet and maybe even galaxy sized orks out there


my god...

Couldn't a Space Marine eat the Emperor, absorbing his knowledge and becoming the Emperor himself?

>>107979046
>>107979125
>>107979173
Sweet damn.

>>107979236
GENIUS.

>>107978972
They call him the God Emperor of Mankind for a reason.

>>107979236

someone needs to tell /tg/ about this

Random WH:DoW green text story just for /v/:
>couple years ago at LAN center
>local asshole who had beaten me once at a DoW game wants another go around
>I was feeling trolly that day, paint my marines hot pink with purple highlights
>He uses Chaos army
>After troubling start, I start winning the fight only cause he won't shutup about my Pretty Marines.
>He turtles hard, but for some reason in the middle of the game half his builder units all coming surging into my base.
>He accidentally sent them with out knowing,
>Everyone in the LAN laugh at him as his builder units want to join the Gay Pride Parade my marines were about to partake on his base...he rage quits
>everyone mocks him for 2 more weeks..specially after he loses to me and my Pretty Marices for a 2nd time in row
>mfw

>>107979125

the flash is the most powerful being in the universe fuck you 0/10 asshole you didn't troll me I'm not even angry

>>107979236

I imagine something like Raiders would happen, facemelt and all

At the dawn of mankind a bunch of whacky shamans got together and all decided some bad shit was gonna go down in the future.

They all agreed that the best way to deal with this would be to commit mass suicide. So they did.

Their cosmic mumbojumbo flew around for a bit before causing the birth of the goddamn emperor of man who help humanity grow and steered us towards success from the shadows.

Until some major shit went down that forced him to reveal himself and take control of the situation.

>>107979236

NOT SURE IF HERESY, BUT QUITE POSSIBLY

>>107979425
The emperor made the flash his bitch

>>107979425
The guy pretty much was the reason Chaos was never a threat before his death. Even then, when he was mortally wounded he was still keeping it down.
His kids, the Primarchs(beings who were extracted from the God-Emperor's almighty nuts themselves) are almost as badass.

The Emperor is the basis for Jesus. Also, he went by the name of Rasputin for a while. If he was big and important, and had facial hair of some kind, chances are it was the Emperor trying out his latest idea for uniting humanity.

Can the ork spore be inhaled?

>>107979236
how would having his knowledge make them the new god emperor? they don't gain his abilities just him memories. which might end up just being of him sitting on the golden throne for about a thousand years.

>>107978779
no it dosen't, a space marine will always use cover to his advantage whenever it is available (virtually all the time).

he's got good armor but remember alot of weapons in the 40k universe are quite deadly.

There's alot of disparity between fluff and tabletop, bolt weapons can punch through power armor with a few hits apparently, a tau pulse rifle will shears off a space marines arm.

>>107979542
I can dig it.

>>107979629
Yes, that's why a lot of them look very humanoid for the most part.

>>107977888
>>107978052

The Tau are basically space communist hippies. They have a very clean society separated by caste, and what caste you're born into defines what you do for the rest of your life. Earth caste are the workers, Fire caste are the warriors, Water caste are the diplomats/politicians, Air caste are the pilots, and Ethereal caste are the leaders. They don't really worship a god, they all work towards the Greater Good. They accept any alien race into their combine, though they'll try and kill dead whoever refuses. They frequently make use of a alien race called the Kroot as shock troops. They are the youngest race, and the race that experiences the greatest rate of technological growth. They've got hovertanks, stealth suits, mobile armor suits (Think War Machine from Marvel Comics), and the single strongest weapon in the tabletop game (railgun S10 AP1, best possible stats, insane range)

>>107979630
>a thousand years
A little short there. Try adding a few more thousands in there.

>>107979236
he could, but even the emperor without his body is the most powerful psyker alive, and the golden throne is ridiculously well guarded.

>>107979783
And a few hundred billion as well.

>>107978972
Like...
I mean, hear this shit out:

He wrestled the very universal concept of physics made sentient and present, a Star God called the Void Dragon by mankind, and made him his bitch and enslaved it in Mars, inside the Noctis Labyrinth.

I mean... he WAS, TRULY, INDEED a God.

>>107979703

>stealth suits

they sound kinda fun to play as

all like BAM

ambushed!

>>107979821

He ment 10 thousand on the throne. And the emperor isnt NEARLY a billion years old.

So on the other thread we were talking about Space Warfare. From what I gathered, the Imperium has by far the best navy in the galaxy, incapable of losing an engagement. If that's the case, how can the other races attack the planets at all? I mean, it's like an extreme version of the English wooden wall from medieval Europe - you can't invade a planet if you can't get there (or leave). How do they travel between planets?

>>107979903
He could damn well pass it off.
The man has not aged well.

Once, an ork stole an Imperial starship.
When it was out of fuel

The sneakiest of gitz believes he can move through a forest without disturbing a single leaf, since the orkz all believe him, he phases through any leaf he might actually touch.

Ork leaders are decided by who the biggest ork is. It doesnt matter how smart or how powerfull an ork is, if he is the biggest, he is the boss.

>you will never have a squig that lives on your head

>>107979046
i lol'd hard

>>107979858

see before I read some of the fluff (read: like two days ago) I thought the Emperor was like this bloodlust hitler kinda guy that wanted the space marines to go out and conquer everything

but he was kind of a bro

>>107979945
fuckin warp storms

heres how it goes- to destroy an army, send in the guard/navy

to secure a priceless objective/to kill a high priority demon- send in marines

>>107979945
>incapable of losing an engagement.

Rule #1 of WH40k: Everyone loses at some point and some time.

The only real way to make sure a Ork is dead is to use Cyclonic Torpedoes

The emperor was born in 8000BC, making him 51,000 years old by M41

Question:
How did humanity spread out to the galaxy be fore the emeperor, no astronominican, no warp travel. Plot hole?

>>107979630
wouldn't make a difference how long he sits there, he doesn't gain the emperor's abilities. The emperor is the sole reason that humans are able to travel through the warp, it's his psychic power that fuels the Astronomicon beacon, if he dies, the Imperium is finished

>that's part of the reason why he's considered a god

>>107979945

I thought the Necron Tomb Ships were extremely powerful?
And there were situations during the Great Crusade where the Imperial Fleet lost to single-system empires, let alone the OP as fuck galaxy spanning races the fluff focus's on.

They good, but they aint unbeatable

>>107976260
>one guy with his zerg army

get the fuck out.

>>107980054
Actually, from what we can gather about him. He's kind of a dick.

Did the Emperor hate xenos or was that instated after he was on the throne?

>>107979629
>>107979629
I would be high on Ork.
It would be supergreen.

What if a tribe of Orks truly believed they could unite all the klans and tribes?

>>107980135

I mean he did that whole ultimate sacrifice thing for humanity

Who the fuck are the Sister's of Battle and why are they not in the Space Kitchen?

>>107980109

he was always there guiding them.

What if like
da orks thot dat da emprah was ded
alla dem

>>107980109
48,000 years old sorry

>mfw the newfags don't know about battle sisters

>>107980109
Ancient tech from the dark age of technology. But the warp was safer back then since the birth of Slaanesh (ironically) calmed the warp by nuking it.

>>107980054

Read The First Heretic, shit'll make you borderline heretic yourself. Makes you hate the emprah for a bit

>>107980221
Then nothing would happen

>>107980152

After.

The emperor never wanted to be worshipped as a god either.

I want to be dominated by a Sister of Battle.

So from what I know there's Warhammer and then there's Warhammer 40k

are they the same universe?

>>107980109
they had warp drives, how they navigated through that, it's not clear. But the tech was advanced enough that even thousands of years later, a discovery of an old Dark Age template is considered a scientific breakthrough

>>107980333

>>107980109

Just about every single piece of humanities tech was lost after the Men of Steel raped them sideways. Chances are their ships could just travel at the speed of light, if not faster.

>>107980152

He wasn't so quick to kill them and could tolerate them if they were willing to be helpful. Otherwise, purge the mofos, take their shit and move on.

He also was against the idea of religion. He didn't title himself the God Emperor, that was done after the Horus Heresy.

Also, you guys are taking this "Orks make X happen by believing it!" thing too far. It's a low level kind of power.

do they play vidya games in this universe

>>107980284
But isn't he on life support
The emprah is bullshit strong, but resisting the entire waaaaaaagh?

What are all the races ispired by/based on?

Eldar are like elf samurais
Dark Eldar are like sadomasochists
Orks are Shrek the Third

What about the rest?

>>107979945
>>107980118

Necron Tomb Ships *are* incredibly powerful. They eat stars for fuel. And while the Imperium does have a badass navy, it merely takes sufficient numbers to overwhelm them, like Hive Fleets (where the "ships" themselves are gigantic Tyranid organisms)

>>107978025
>Speaking of Orky nature, I love how they're incredibly smart and good-natured when they're young and as they reach maturity they get slowly more retarded.

Citation requested? I am a Blood Angels player, I know nothing about Orks and haven't read any of their books, what is this from and can you find citation?

>>107980389
How is that heresy?