>>33272906 (OP)
>And then we got nightmare in silver or some shit, that episode was bad.
0/10

>>33272937
I really didn't like it.

>>33272906 (OP)
>nightmare in silver was bad
once you got past the little kids and the god emperor of man being a midget, i got a kick out of it.
>dat cyberdoctor.

i think the last episode was awesome even involving the fact that it made rings of akhaten passable in context of it.

actually i thought after to obvious rings retardedness the worst episode was the one you are posting because honestly the villian sucked, and the premise was retarded.
>monster doctor.

>>33272969

It was better than The Crimson Horrah

>>33272906 (OP)
>What does /tv/ think?
I think all of your opinions are really shit and possibly just a blatant troll attempt.

>>33273006
Well yeah, the Crimson horror wasn't amazing, but it gave me a bit of nostalgia (Which is total bias and I am not using this as a legitimate argument)

>>33273024
>blatant troll attempt
So you think the Deus Ex Machina ending on Cold War was good?

>>33273024

Gonna have to second this. Cold War was pretty decent, especially if you've seen old Who, and Crimson Horror was the worst from this half season. I'll agree with you on Hide, and Nightmare in Silver was a letdown only because Gaiman did so much better with The Doctor's Wife and I expected way too much.

The finale was the first one in NuWho that didn't really piss me off though... I guess Doctordonna didn't either, but that's because it felt like a ridiculous troll end to the ridiculous troll companion season and Donna was superb. It was still terrible though, especially compared to Saturday

>>33273090

Can it be considered a deus ex machina if you're told from the very start that that's what is going to happen?

>>33273125
>told from the very start
No, all the ice warrior did was call up his buds, to which they didn't reply so he got desperate.

It's only at the end that his friends go "lol j/k" and come and beam him up.

Seriously, I know Cold War was alright, and I really enjoyed it right up until the ending, but you've gotta admit, the ending was pretty bad.

>>33273163

>get told that his buddies will save him
>he gets convinced that they have left him
>buddies come and save him

It's less of a deus ex and more of a swerve/red herring for the audience to believe that they wouldn't save him.

>>33273090
>So you think the Deus Ex Machina ending on Cold War was good?
No. But it wasn't horrible either. It was nowhere near as offense of the usual Deus Ex Machinas.

Cold War was one of the best episodes of 7b. I can understand why somebody wouldn't like it be claiming it's the worst episode in Doctor Who history is fucking retarded.
Crimson Horror is possibly my least favourite. Although it wasn't a bad episode exactly.
Nightmare in Silver was decent but suffered a few blunders because of so much content being shoved into one episode.
Hide was decent.
The Finale wasn't as bad as I thought it would be but it wasn't that good either. Had some really great concepts sprinkled amongst bland nothingness. And while it tied up loose ends, it introduced another big mystery essentially with a cliffhanger.

>>33273163
His buddies saving him wasn't what resolved the plot though. It was Clara convincing him not to kill everybody.

>>33273204
Well at least it solved that whole Clara situation, I was expecting that to go on for years!

Also, can we all agree that Hide was the best?

>>33273227
>Also, can we all agree that Hide was the best?
Ehh. There's actually no episodes this season that I properly enjoyed. I want to say Journey to the Centre of the TARDIS is my favourite but I have no idea why. I'm going to have to wait until I'm in a different mindset to watch them to give proper ratings. I don't seem to be able to enjoy anything at the moment.

>>33272937

It was one of the worst episodes of new Who...

>>33273282
Understandable.

But was part 2 better than part 1? or Vice Versa?

>>33273301

Well thats not true.

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>>33273301
Not as bad as Love and Monsters. That episode was seriously bad.

And not just because the Doctor wasn't in it (See Blink)

>>33273302
I don't even know. They were so far apart. And thinking back, they feel so different. I'm going to have to marathon the entire season right before the 50th Special.

>>33273368
Who won't.

>Cold War one of the worst episodes ever
>Hide "AMAZING"
>Nightmare in Silver "or some shit" bad

10/10 OP, you are a master ruseman.

So the reason Moffat only got modern Doctors for the anniversary special is because the plot is about the Timewar, right? Pre-Timewar Doctors wouldn't really work.

Series 7 ranking:

The Doctor, The Widow and the Wardrobe: Shit
Asylum of the Daleks: Good
Dinosaurs on a Spaceship: Mediocre
A Town Called Mercy: Mediocre
The Power of Three: OK
The Angels Take Manhattan: Good
The Snowmen: Brilliant
The Bells of Saint John: Good
The Rings of Akhaten: Shit
Cold War: Bad
Hide: OK
Journey to the Centre of the TARDIS: Bad
The Crimson Horror: Good
Nightmare in Silver: Shit
The Name of the Doctor: Brilliant

>>33273484
he hasn't got Ecleston though

>>33273527
But he wanted him.

>>33273508
There we go.

Pretty much what I think in a nutshell.

I know some dudes are a bit upset with my opinion on Nightmare in Silver and the Crimson Horror, but remember, it is only an opinion guys.

>>33273508
I can't fucking handle your opinions.

>>33273508
>this thread hating nightmare in silver
>not realize the entire episode was basically dr who in warhammer 40k.

How the fuck do cybermen have sex

twitch.tv/thevalleyyard/new

Just added the images of the list for everyone to know what we'll be watching on sunday nights.

>>33273610
When the fuck is ever implied that they do or need to?

>>33273610
dick in pussy

If GI and Clara went into the Doctor's entire timeline how come they only saw 1-11?

Moffat is fucktarded.

>>33273739

So did she make sure Rory and Amy fucked on there wedding night so river could be there to save them with the secret entrance to the grave?

BRAVO MOFFAT.

The Bells of Saint John - 5/10
The Rings of Akhaten - 2/10
Cold War - 7/10
Hide - 9/10
Journey to the Centre of the TARDIS - 6/10
The Crimson Horror - 5/10
Nightmare in Silver - 6/10
The Name of the Doctor - 10/10

>>33273739
They didn't. They just didn't show post-11 Doctor because that's a bit too hard to pull off for the TV show.

>>33273842
>The Name of the Doctor - 10/10
Really? It didn't really have any glaring faults but it was structured really weird. There wasn't much conflict. It was just like:
>Here is Problem A
>Here is Solution A
>Here is Problem B
>Here is Solution B
etc.

It was so... I don't even know how to describe it. Extremely linear and mechanical. No real suspense. A series of things happening without anything escalating much.

>>33273990
She said that she saw 11 of him.

Shit, it might even be the first time in the series it was ever explicitly stated how many Doctors there have been.

Why are people on here defending a nightmare in silver? It was absolutely terrible.

I cant hate Nightmare in Silver simply because of Flash Cyberman

So are we done with River Song now?

So Rose got magical powers when she looked into the heart of the TARDIS and now they're all just walking around inside of it? Wtf?

>>33274179
that wasn't the heart of the TARDIS, it was the Doctor's timestream

>>33273739
Quite possible the segment she physically landed in was composed of the Eleventh's past alone. She wouldn't remember her shards' experiences, so their encounters with future Doctors are unknown to her.

>>33274064
Oh yeah. What the fuck.

BRAVO MOFFAT

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>>33274073

No love for "the Bells of St. John"?

Sure, that murderous wi-fi and power-hacking were silly, but other than that, it was clever as fuck.

>that airplane sequence
>that Doctor doing street magic
>that double-cross
>that old lady turning out to be a young girl
>that Doctor/Clara chemistry

The best season of NuWho is still the fifth one, but besides the "Rings...", 7b was the most consistent of them all.

>>33273301

You don't have a clue what you're talking about. I can name 20+ episodes worse and universally regarded as worse from the top of my head.

>>33274081

So, you judge an entire episode on 10 second-long scene?
Please, never review anything anymore.

>>33274936
mah nigga

also, the first time Clara encounters the spoonhead (in the form of the little girl) was properly spooky

>>33274936
And the villain was John Hurt as the Doctor.
"I don't know where I am."

>>33273301
No where near.

>>33273508

My less butthurt ratings

The Doctor, The Widow and the Wardrobe: 1 out of 10
Asylum of the Daleks: 9 out of 10
Dinosaurs on a Spaceship: 6 out of 10
A Town Called Mercy: 6 out of 10
The Power of Three: 7.5 out of 10
The Angels Take Manhattan: 7 out of 10
The Snowmen: 8.5 out of 10
The Bells of Saint John: 7.5 out of 10
The Rings of Akhaten: 6 out of 10
Cold War: 7.5 out of 10
Hide: 6.5 out of 10
Journey to the Centre of the TARDIS: 7 out of 10
The Crimson Horror: 7.5 out of 10
Nightmare in Silver: 6.5 out of 10
The Name of the Doctor: 10 out of 10

>>33275153
>less butthurt
>1 out of 10
fuck off

>>33275153
6.5 out of 10 for Hide?

Did you even watch it?

>>33275153
>>33275182
why does everyone hate that christmas special? I thought it was alright

>>33275153
>less butthurt

RIIIIIGHT

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Why was every new single supporting cast written to be as heinously shitty as they could possibly be.

Jesus fuck were they actually trying to make us hate this.

>>33275198
More like average.
It's all the fans who were expecting Voyage of the Damned level of awesome.

>>33275191

It was Romeo and Juliet with monsters. You think it deserves more?

>>33275211
yeah those kids were worse than something out of Nickelodeon.

>>33275218
>Voyage of the Damned
>awesome

u wot

>>33275221
What about the fucking ghost who Turned out to be a time traveller stuck in a weird time loop That was pretty cool.

The whole monster romance was sort of secondary.

Also it's nothing like Romeo and Juliet, read the play before you use it in an argument.

>>33275211
I want to strangle these little shits

>>33275198
I have no idea. I enjoyed it. It deserves at least a 5.

>>33275218
>Voyage of the Damned level of awesome.
What? Is this a thing? I'd much prefer to rewatch The Doctor, The Widow and the Wardrobe than that.

>>33275266
>yfw the monster is called 'the twisted man' in the script

2spooky

>>33275254
Hey, it was pretty good man. It went for a full hour, and the bad guy had an excellent motive other then "I hate things".

It was like a mini-movie. I haven't watched it in a while, but I remember being amazed by it back then.

>>33275153
There isn't a single episode of S7 I'd rate at 5/10 or higher.

okay, so we seem to be in a general all 'round disagreement about things.

How about this: Best New Who episode, GO.

>>33275198
Too many attempts to be cute and funny made me want to punch each character in the face.

>I'm a lizard woman from the dawn of time, and this is my wife.

Rage... rising...

>>33275318
Amy's Choice.

>>33275318
Girl in the Fireplace

>>33275318

Human Nature / The Family of Blood is my personal favorite. Blink is my second favorite.

>>33275327
that's the Snowmen, which was great

we're talking about the Doctor the Widow and the Wardrobe

>>33275335
Perhaps

>>33275336
Definitely

>>33275343
Beats them all, family of blood is just ROMP.

>>33275318
1) Midnight
2) Blink
3) Waters of Mars
4) Empty Child/Doctor Dances
5) Dalek

>>33275378
Excellent choices, but I'd say something else deserves 5 rather than Dalek.

What do we all think of Silence in the Library/Forests of the Dead?

>>33275221

In the last 5 minutes? Come the fuck on.
Also, the scene with Clara calling Doctor on his shit after the time travel was one of the best in the NuWho and the best character moment for any of the companions.

>>33275405

One of my favorites.

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>>33275358
>Human Nature / The Family of Blood
>better than Amy's Choice or Girl in the Fireplace

>>33275318

Blink, of course. It's just a perfect hour of television, not only Doctor Who.

>>33275432

What was so great about Girl in the Fireplace again? I always see it in top tens but I haven't watched it in forever.

>>33275405
"Doctor, we should really get going."

Top-tier, no doubt about it. If I was making a Top 10 list it would have a guaranteed spot.

>>33275432
Really?
Human Nature not only allowed David Tennant a bit more leniency in his acting, but allowed us to see a different character for once, it was fascinating and amazing.

It took me a while to settle into the fact that John Smith really was a completely new man, and nothing like the Doctor, that was the point of this episode, to show a new character and then "kill" him off, it was trying to make you sympathize with him and not the Doctor, for the first time ever, which I thought it did stunningly.

Those other episodes are great, but Human Nature just blew me away.

>>33275471
Yeah that episode still haunts me today.

>>33275378

I don't get that "Midnight" love. The passengers turning on each other this quick was so fucking on the nose, same with the lady repeating Doctor's words. And why she caused him to break down? When it wasn't painfully obvious, it made no sense.
I always considered this RTD trying to make a Moffat episode and failing miserably.

>>33275390
There are plenty of contenders, and no doubt other people would switch my list up, but I can't help but love the one episode that did the Daleks justice. The conversation between the Dalek and Nine is one of my all-time favourite TV moments.

>>33275523
That's an interesting point, RTD and Moffat have very different writing styles.

RTD's is better, it has better characterisation IMO

>>33273301
not even close. In fact I'd say it was pretty damn good

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>>33275523
Maybe I'm just easily impressed, but when I'm watching the final scene and Ten asks if anybody knew the name of the hostess, every other Who episode seems shallow and tawdry by comparison.

>>33275471
>If I was making a Top 10 list

Good idea.

1. Amy's Choice
2. Human Nature/The Family of Blood
3. Vincent and the Doctor
4. Blink
5. The Doctor's Wife
6. Midnight
7. The Waters of Mars
8. The Name of the Doctor
9. The Pandorica Opens/The Big Bang
10. Utopia/The Sound of Drums/The Last of the Time Lords, sans ending

>>33275546
To bad the episode is shitted up with that character who "owns the internet" and somehow has the power to choose the next president.

Sorry to take it back to OP, but what loose ends were there that were tied up, bar showing Clara's plot function?

Moffat continuously promises more next series, but then wipes the slate clean and assumes no-one watched the previous one. For what reason did the Silence blow up the TARDIS? Where are they at Trenzalore?

>>33275405

All Moffat episodes from RTD era were God Tier.
Actually, I don't think that he wrote a truly bad episode until "The Doctor, the Widow and the Wardrobe". His attempts for the sixth season get usually shitted upon, but I think that "The Name of the Doctor" makes them better in perspective.

>>33275602
As much as I disagree with Amy's Choice being at number 1, I'd say this list is pretty definitive. Though I think 9 should be silence in the library, 8 should be the doctor dances and utopia should be higher/

>>33275422
that really was a great moment

>One minute you're in 1974 looking for ghosts, but all you have to do is open your eyes and talk to whoever's standing there. To you I haven't been born yet. And to you I've been dead a hundred billion years.

>We're all ghosts to you. We must be nothing

>>33275656

I'd place both The Empty Child/The Doctor Dances and The Impossible Astronaut/Day of the Moon just outside of this list, at 11 and 12.

>>33275490

This two-parter may be the best episode of Doctor Who (but Blink is one of the best episodes of television, point blank).
Kinda weird, since it's so different form any other episode of Tennant's run. The Doctor is an entirely different character here.

>>33275629
Well, if you read my previous point, I thought that once Clara's "character" that is, Clara somehow being everywhere would be an arc that goes for years, I was really pleased that we found out almost immediately what her deal was.

I think Moffat finally understands what fans want in terms of story.

>>33275690
>the doctor is an entirely different character
That's what made it so great!

>>33275602

I thoroughly disagree with the Name of the Doctor being on that list. It's a poorly paced episode with a vague plot, vague threat and vague resolution.

Don't get me wrong - I adored the flashbacks, and the revelation is exciting, but I felt it was a fairly poor episode.

In The Asylum of The Dalek why could The Doctor hear Clara's voice at the beginning of the episode despite the fact that she was a Dalek at that point. Also where was that music coming from if she was a Dalek?

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>>33275719

To each their own. The combination of extreme fanwank, a (in my opinion) satisfying arc resolution, a great villain and satisfactory dealing with themes like the Doctor's eventual death, as well as the fact that it was so beautifully dark, made me love it.

>>33275560

Moffat can't write female characters, that's for sure.

>>33275761
Yeah, I remember when Clara first appeared, and that song played I thought to myself "man that song will play EVERY time she's on screen and I will rip my hair out"

Like they did with Amy.

>>33275597

I don't know, heroic self-sacrifice by an unassuming bystander really tires me as a trope.
It's quite emotionally cheap.

>>33275803
Even so, it was pretty good, I just like how it played out like an Agatha Christie novel, it showed each character to be fine and normal, but put under stress, they turn into something else.

YES I KNOW THERE WAS AN EPISODE WHERE THE STORY WAS LITERALLY THE FACT THAT IT WAS SIMILAR TO AN AGATHA CHRISTIE NOVEL SO SHUT UP

>>33275837
I liked how we never even knew what it was

There were several allusions to demons and devils with thay guy saying "666" and other people saying stuff.

You know, if Doctor Who gets a little darker, it would be great show, I'm not asking for everyone to die every episode, but I just want too see that the universe isn't just a plaything of the Doctor, and IS a dangerous place.

>>33275878
Yeah, I think Doctor Who is turning into a kids show.

I mean, we were so close to getting that perfect mix between family and dark with season 6 but I think season 7 kinda fucked it up.

But hey, that's their audience, and business is business eh?

>>33275758

But what of the Silence? What of the exploding TARDIS, and of River shooting the Doctor?

What was their plan? Why are they suddenly irrelevant?

>>33275914
Yeah that's Moffat for you, he'll make ludicrous plot developments, tie them up with a neat ribbon and then throw behind the couch so no-one will notice it.

>>33275914

>But what of the Silence

It's like you actually forgot that they think he's dead.

>>33275602
No love for the impossible planet?

sadface

>>33275969
Holy shit I forgot about that one...

>>33275969
I still wouldn't put that in the top 10

The "Tell rose I, oh she'd know" and "I BELIEVE IN ROSE" just let it down for me.

Turn Left was great and I would make it part of my top 10

>>33275913

Exactly this. I think 7 went too far away from the dark.

Why is Time of Angels/Flesh and Stone not in anyone's top tier lists?
Those episodes were absolutely brilliant.
I swear series 6 is the only series where we got a decent mix of competent writing and good production values.

>>33276007
2deep4me

>>33276008
>Why is Time of Angels/Flesh and Stone not in anyone's top tier lists?

Undermined the angels somewhat, it was neat to see a Doctor from the future appearing though. Oh man those threads...

>>33275948

Fair point. But it feels so bizarre that they're so conspicuously absent - blowing up the TARDIS was a big deal. Enough to make an entire series of - now it feels completely forgotten.

They blew up the universe to... save the universe? Or was it a side effect they didn't plan for? Was killing the Doctor thus a bizarre kindness designed to preserve his past good deeds?

>>33276044

Let's just safely assume it was all "aborted timelines".

It gives a headache trying to prove time-traveling. On a side note, Daleks seem much "nicer" in their first appearance.

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Oops. forgot pic.

>>33276089

Same with the Cybermen. Strangely polite and British.

>>33275602
Top ten list you say?

1. The Impossible Astronaut/Day of the Moon
2. Human Nature/Family of Blood
3. The Doctor's Wife
4. Dalek
5. Vincent and the Doctor
6. Pandorica Opens/Big Bang
7. Blink
8. A good Man Goes to War
9. The Empty Child/Doctor Dances
10. Parting of the Ways

I know 10 is a two parter but I can't bring myself to pair it with Bad Wolf

>>33276128

That and a creepy, droning sound.

One thing I never understood about The Big Bang episode...

Why would the Daleks work with other races to stop the Doctor? I mean, sure, the Doctor is pretty much the only way they could possibly be defeated, but the Daleks are super purists, they literally CANNOT work with anyone else.

Like seriously.

>>33276166
Can't conquer the universe if there's no universe left to conquer

>>33276146
Parting of the Ways should be on that list for Ecclestons acting alone.
He was absolutely incredible in that episode.

>>33276008
Because of Blink, basically. Those are good episodes, but they follow the standard formula. Blink was something special, and it had an air of mystery surrounding the Angels you simply can't recapture. So it lands a cozy Top 5 spot, while every other Angels episode is left out in the cold as comparatively inferior.

>>33276180
I'm trying to say there is no exception to the "Daleks are super purists" rule.

NO EXCEPTIONS.

Any deviation from this rule would completely fuck up the daleks forever.

>>33275708

Sure, but I think it's more connected with this episode being an adaptation of a book than a conscious decision made by RTD.

>>33276192
I think you mean

>He was absolutely FANTASTIC in that episode.

>>33276166
Self-preservation. I doubt the Daleks liked it - establishing the truce can't have been easy, and they probably planned to break it ASAP - but the end of reality is a pretty scary prospect.

>>33276216
But they're not idiots. They're scheming manipulative bastards.Very convinent getting all these races in one room once the Pandorica is sealed

>>33276166

It's because the Daleks wanted to be conqueres of the Universe

>>33276044
They blew up the universe to force The Doctor to save it again at the expense of his own existence.

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Christ. Some people.

>>33275758

One thing I would change about it - they should have left Jenny dead.
It was such haunting and emotional moment when she got murdered.

>>33276294
Plus it would have given Vastra a bit more to do

>>33276294
Yeah, this ties in to the whole "Who being a kids show now" they make moments like that, but before they get angry letters from parents they go "lel j/k"

>>33276293
You should've seen the reactions on twitter.

People thought John Hurt was the name of the Doctor and others (mainly fangirls) hated him for being old

>>33275942
>tie them up with a neat ribbon
when has moffat ever done this

>>33275914
Their plan was to stop the Doctor before he reaches Trenzalore. Doesn't anybody listen?

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>>33276349

Got it right here.

>>33276369
By that I mean he make plot point and then ties up the loose ends within that plot point.

The thing is, those loose ends make MORE loose ends, but he puts it away before people notice.

>>33275913

Hey, everyone and I mean everyone was bitching during the season 6 about the lack of self-standing one-parters and this is what we got. More adventurous, family-friendly episodes.

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>>33276146
>1. The Impossible Astronaut/Day of the Moon

>>33276423
>where is the logic

Yeah... Where is it...

I think that kids DP perfectly describes how I feel about him now.

>>33276469
Beggars can't be choosers I suppose...

>>33276251
>but the end of reality is a pretty scary prospect.
Except this was exactly the Daleks plan at one point. They were going to destroy reality itself, just to get rid of all the inferior non-Dalek races. They would never work with others like that.

>>33276469
I just didn't want the series to be split up into 2

And I think we all agree now that two-parters are needed

>>33276008

It was Aliens to Blink's Alien.
Also, it had some of the biggest plotholes Moffat pulled ever.

>>33276528
Their plan was to destroy all reality except themselves. The cracks would have destroyed everything, no exceptions

>>33276562
>The resulting "reality bomb" has the potential to destroy all matter in every universe; reality itself would be destroyed.

>>33276610
And they would shelter themselves

>>33276044

I always thought, that they blew up Tardis, because they thought that the Doctor would be inside (not River) and weren't expecting that it would destroy the universe.

>>33276610
well what can I say, RTD didn't know shit about the daleks

>>33276610
Well clearly RTD doesn't understand the daleks. Journey's end was a steaming pile of shit anyway

>>33276630
Well the Dalek's mindset was "If we can't have it, then fuck you we blow it up for the lels"

>>33276627
I can't actually remember the episode. Was this stated?

>>33276630
Moffat's grasp of the Daleks' ideals is more offensive, in my opinion.

>>33276668
The Daleks mindset has always been to become the supreme beings. They're not suicidal

>>33276684
>Was this stated?

Yes it was

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I wonder if Ian had fun riding around in a Dalek suit..

It really disgusts me when people called episodes of Doctor Who "filler".

We need a spin-off show.

Watching things like Torchwood and SJA, really gave a good scale on things, and every now and then they would a tiny menion of the Doctor, and it just adds such massive depth to the Who universe

>>33276528

>They were going to destroy reality itself

Maybe it would be the best if we would ignore everything about that terrible season finale?

>>33276752
Remember how they were going to make a spin off with Jenny, from the Doctors's Daughter.

Hmmmmmmmm

>>33276752
A spinoff that isn't set on Earth mite b cool

>>33276766
>season 4 finale
>terrible

gtfo right now, it may not have been the best, but terrible?

>>33276774

fuck I miss the doctor's daughter :( I was really hoping that somehow clara was related to her

>>33276774
Well she can't do much as she's helping create David Tennant's children

>>33276786
>the retarded plot
>the melodrama
>the ending

yeah, it sucked

>>33276774
>>33276788

Actually it was Moffat's idea to bring her back to life, since they orginally wanted to kill er

>>33276788
>implying Vastra's Jenny and the Doctor's daughter Jenny arent the same person

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>>33275405
it was great until moffat gave the unstoppable primal swarm of hunger reasoning skills

"YOU BETTER NOT EAT ME, IM THE DOCTOR"
"ok then, 1 days notice to leave."

>>33276875
Well he did tell the swarm to read every single book in the biggest library in the universe

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>>33276423
I want the next doctor to be old, just to stick a knife in the heart of these wet fangirls

>>33276938
read what you said aloud and realise how stupid FOTD is

So crossing his own timeline is the one thing the Doctor must never, ever do, right?

And then Clara sacrifices herself, and, if I understand the mechanics of the twirly shiny time-map correctly, the Doctor is willing to simultaneously cross every moment of his own timeline in order to save her.

But the Ponds get dragged back in time by the angels, and the Doctor doesn't even try to save them, because there's some gravestones that say he can't.

Moffaaaattttttt

Good episode though

I feel like going back and watching a few of the best new who episodes. What do some of you consider the best?

>>33276984

meh, he explained it by saying he owed it to clara to try to save her because she literally saved EVERY MOMENT of his life. sure amy and rory saved him a couple times, but mostly he was saving their butts

>>33276965

Are you kidding me? This is really clever and nicely bookends the episode.

>>33275758
great intelligence was so awesome that he decided to leave everyone alive so they could interfere with his plans after he died

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>>33276423

I ain't even mad, I expect no better from the NuWho fanbase

>>33276847
Yeah I remember hearing about how it was Moffat that wanted to keep that story line potentially open for the future, I'd love her to come back at some point.

>>33276854
>implying I didn't read the preview of the season finale and see something along the lines of "Jenny returns" and get my hopes up

>>33277030

Also, by crossing his own timeline he doesn't risk destroying the universe (or something), as was the case with the Ponds.

>>33277005
See the top ten lists devised earlier in the thread.

(forests of the dead isn't mentioned in them, so I recommend that one off the top of my head, also avoid season 2 except for the impossible planet, most of season 2 was pretty average)

>>33277063

I'm actually sort of happy. If an old guy becomes a Doctor for his regeneration, let's hope it'll be good for once.

Kids don't even know the true experience of DW.

>>33277005
Dalek
Empty Child/Doctor Dances
Bad Wolf/Parting of Ways
Tooth and Claw
School Reunion
Girl in the Fireplace
Impossible Planet/Satan's Pit
Human Nature/Family of Blood
Blink
Utopia/The Sound of Drums
Silence in the Library/Forest of the Dead
Midnight
Waters of Mars
The Eleventh Hour
Time of Angels/Flesh and Stone
Amy's Choice
Vincent and the Doctor
Pandorica Opens/Big Bang
Impossible Astronaut/Day of the Moon
The Doctors Wife

Those are generally considered the best. Give or take a couple, I think most would agree that's a solid list

I have so many problems with NuWho, if it was any other show without the nostalgia value I'd just drop it and never watch it but I just can't bring myself to do it.

The episodes are too short but simultaneously too grand. Almost every story is at minimum a world threatening event, this is what made Hide so refreshing. But all the other episodes this half-season have been apocalyptic even when there was no need to be. Cold War would have worked fine had the threat simply been the Ice warrior killing everyone on the sub, but no, they had to throw in the threat of global nuclear destruction. The Crimson Horror has the same problem. In times past you could have just had an episode about an alien insidiously taking over a northern mill town (with wider plans of world domination) and the Doctor preventing this. But again these stakes aren't grand enough so we have to have a big retarded missile.

It's tiresome having such high stakes every episode but it's also impossible build any kind of tension in such a small time slot. Granted older Who episodes were strung out to such a degree that certain episodes had literally nothing happening but in the later half of it's run (Davison, Baker, McCoy) the best episodes all had roughly the same run time being either 2 episodes at 45mins each or 4 at 25mins each. It's enough time to flesh out a story and build some tension without being strung out.

Monsters of the week have ruined Dr Who as well. What exactly did the molten zombies add to Journey to the Centre of the TARDIS? What was the point of the Whisper Men? The wort part is that if they manage to squat out a half decent monster they over use and ruin them as fast as possible.

I wish I could just be happy with bright colors and explosions but I'm not.

Hey, what did we all think of the End of Time?

>>33277202
>No Turn Left

>>33277227
1st act was fucking retarded, second act was amazing. everything good and bad about RTD is in this episode

>>33277222
Hey, I feel ya buddy.

But remember, Doctor Who is considered a NATIONAL TREASURE in Britain, so even if they fuck it up SO horribly, it's always gonna get better.

Remember the shitty T.V. movie from '98? look where we are now! I'd stop complaining and enjoy the ride.

Hey there, OP here
I'm glad to see this thread is getting very popular, and we're getting some great insights and conversation as well! Thanks for all posting, I reckon after this thread 404's I'm gonna pop off, but until then, I'll keep posting.

>>33277222


Don't even get me started on the mishandling of the classic Who monsters who have all been systematically ruined but none more so than the Cybermen. When I was a kid I loved robots, so I loved the Cybermen. When I got older I really got into body horror as a genre and this made me love Cybermen even more since they had a lot of body horror aspects to them. The Mondassian Cybermen I thought were cool have all but been retconned/amalgamated out of existence by bog standard cookie cutter stompy robots with no personality or agenda or purpose beyond being yet another monster of the week to sell toys.

I'd say Neil Gaiman was one of my favorite writers but Nightmare in Silver was one of the biggest piles of shit I've ever watched.

>>33277202
>>33277110

Alright cheers.

Looks like i've got something to watch while I wait for my back to recover.

>>33277279

>I'd stop complaining and enjoy the ride.

You are everything that is wrong with the present generation of Dr Who fans.

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>>33277279

Not him, but

>T.V. movie
>shit

apart from the awkward American location, the 8th Doctor and that Master were brilliant.

It's the only grand experience will ever see with Paul.

>>33277358
>back

ploise exploin

>>33277250
I honestly forgot that one. My bad. I'd stick Turn left/Stolen Earth in there too.

>>33277371
>only grand experience with Paul
>ONLY experience with Paul

>>33277396

Well, apart from Big Finish.

Let me rephrase that, only experience seeing him on TV.

>>33277376
I threw out my back at work today and I am just lying down while I wait for it to get better.

>>33277364
How? Are you sayin that the fact I don't want to complain about a show I like makes me bad?

>>33277222
Rewatching series 1 with Hartnell I miss the fact that all the serials were linked. The story of the first series was they wanted to get back to Earth, they just got sidetracked on adventures along the way. This current season in particular feels the opposite. Individual stories tied together by some loose plot elements.

To play Devil's advocate though I don't know if the old formula would work well in this day and age.

But the biggest issue of all is that Moffat has great ideas that he failed to follow through on. The Whisper Men were conceptual great, but they resulting in being rather trivial in comparison so all the shit Moffat had to tie up within a hour.

>>33277438
Alright, I wish I had the time to do something like that.

>>33277396

>see

>audio

>seeing with ears

>looking at sounds

>viewing noises

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What is everyone's opinions on posting Classic Who screencaps in a newwho thread? Is it okay since it's all Doctor Who or should I make a Classic Who thread when I feel like dumping some screencaps?

Also does anyone really enjoy screencap dumps of Classic Who to make it worth posting them?

>>33277441

No, your implying that I am actively making an effort to not enjoy it as opposed to not enjoying it because it's utter tripe.

>>33277453
Yeah, they were one-trick ponies, they fist your heart and bam that's all they can do. (aside from the whole GI stuff, which wasn't that amazing anyway)

captcha = but trek, the hit new space opera

>>33277496
Well that's a bit sad. I mean I know it's not the best, but I wouldn't be so presumptuous as to say that I refuse to enjoy any further episodes.

>>33277453

>I don't know if the old formula would work well in this day and age.

people keep saying that, is it actually based on anything?

I find it genuinely hard to believe that people wouldn't be able to cope with 45min two parters.

>>33277512

They were Shadowcat/Martian Manhunter.

They got themselves a nursery rhyme that had nothing to do with what they did.

They would have been interesting if contrasted against the Silents but nope.

>>33277328
Gaiman could have fixed them. He was the chosen one. Some of it wasn't his fault, and was out of his control (he wanted their footsteps to be absolutely silent again), but he was the one that gave them superpowers out the ass (and put literally millions of them in an episode).

>>33277541
Agreed. 4 25 minute episodes is hardly longer than 2 45 minute episodes and we've had loads of those in NuWho.

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>>33277495

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>>33277495

Just make a Doctor Who General.

I would suggest not separating them, and see threads clutter up in the front page.

>>33277441
To be fair your reasoning is fucking retarded.

>I don't like these new aspects of the show.
>Well DON'T COMPLAIN.

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>>33277591

>>33277571
Yeah I miss those Who episodes which was trying to exploit a seemingly invincible enemy.

Nowadays it seems to be
>invincible enemy
>use timey wimey phlebotinum shit to kill it

>>33277591
What story is this from?

If someone makes a Doctor Who general please post it here,

>>33277623
The Three Doctors.
>>33277603
It just always seems like there are 5 doctor who threads at all times. So it feels wrong to create another one.

>>33277623
The Three Doctors.

>>33277646
This is a DW general.

>>33277541

No not really. I just feel today's audience has a shorter attention spans which in combination with the poor quality writing we get as of late is damaging to the program. Then again maybe if they didn't squeeze everything into an hour the quality of the writing wouldn't be so shitty.

>>33277533

You sure do like putting words in peoples mouths don't you?

I never said I refuse to enjoy them simply that I don't enjoy them. Once again your statement carries the assumption that enjoyment is optional and I am actively choosing to not enjoy something in advance as opposed to forming a valid opinion on my own.

>>33277667
It's a New who thread to be honest. If you start the thread with anyone from new who it will almost always be nothing but new who discussion.

Doctor Who General,
>>33277683 →

OP here

Just wondering if anyone's gonna stay now there's a new thread. Cos I don't wanna leave this thread until it's truly dead.

Wait, I'm confused, /tv/ didn't hate The Name of The Doctor?

>>33276752

A spin-off with Vastra, Jenny and Strax?

Sure, why not?

>>33277692
I do want two-parters to come back, but I think you're right that the main error they made this season was trying to cram a two-parter's worth of material into a 45-minute episode, almost every time. The episodes that kept their scale in mind--"Hide," "The Crimson Horror," etc.--were pretty good. But many of them were so busy that they had to cut corners writing them and everything suffered for it.

>>33277371

>Master

I always drezzzz for the occasion.

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>>33277740
I'll be posting back and forth.

>>33277746
Thomas Thomas is the lead character.

Found it!

Moffat's episodes all seemed like first drafts, full of inspired scenes that haven't been strung into proper stories yet, and bad lines that haven't been deleted. The Snowmen was the best, but even in that the villain was underdeveloped.

The ending had good bits - I loved the last scene with John Hurt, Jenny's death was chilling, the idea of a Tardis leaking size was good, all the buildup was good. But everything inside the tomb was bollocks.

The Great Intelligence has no motivation or personality, and is just a villainy thing that does whatever the plot needs it to. The Doctor's Tomb didn't actually seem dangerous at all once we got inside it. I was expecting timey wimey problems resulting from crossing timestreams, but there didn't seem to be much danger at all. The timewound idea had potential, but like the Tesselecta it came across as just something made up specifically to solve the arc. Only Clara is a really boring character, so the whole thing wasn't really worth it.

And wtf does it do exactly? Lets 100 versions of you stand next to the Doctor at different points in his life? And somehow lets the Doctor go into a cave where all his incarnations are wandering about, talking to each other? I don't think it was thought through well enough

>>33277744
There wasn't much to hate because nothing much happened.

>>33277746

because neither of them is even remotely interesting enough to carry a whole TV show?

>I'm an lizard woman!
>I'm a tom boy!
>We're lesbians!

The show.

>>33277804
Agree with you 100%.

>>33277816
Wow that's almost exactly like Ellend Degeneres' sitcom.

Minus the lizards

>>33277804
Also
Rings of Akhenaten was an utter embarrassment.
Hide had a good plot but it was horribly executed. I can't tell whether it was just the script, or the direction as well.
I couldn't finish watching Cold War. It didn't need a bad ending to ruin it, the awful script made it too painful to watch.
Journey to the Centre of the Tardis just had nothing in it. Except bad acting.
Nightmare in Silver had good bits - the Doctor/Mr Clever scenes were good, and the cybermen were made interesting again - but the kids and the ending are two massive unforgivable problems that plunge the episode into awfulness.
Crimson Horror was sort of alright, like a lot of Gatiss' episodes the plot was just a bunch of kind of cool effects without very well defined causes, but it was executed better than any of his others.

Overall 1/10. Worst series. It isn't even lacking good ideas, they're just all either executed badly, underdeveloped, or ruined by other, shit ideas.

>>33277495

They make me leave the thread, sorry. It's just too hard to have a good discussion with them going on.

>>33277861
It's alright, they've moved to a Doctor Who general.

>>33277853

>cybermen were made interesting again

LIE

The Doctor says all Doctors, even the future one's, are in this time stream.
Clara says she saw all ELEVEN faces of the Doctor in his timestream.
The TARDIS desktop was the same as we have now, and it's supposed to be his grave.

Conclusion: The Doctor dies with his current face.

>>33277853
Woop, I take back >>33277843. We aren't perfectly on the same wavelength afterall.

>>33277892
Conclusion: Moffact doesn't know how to write anything.

>>33277880

Actually, he's right. It's just the environment was tremendously terrible.

The Cyberman feel slightly like a mixture of 60's Cyberman and the revived.

>>33277853

I disagree, Rings had a fantastic first act.

>"Where do you want to go?"
>...
>"Somewhere awesome!"

>>33272937
>>33273301
Holy shit, wait a second.

I really don't want to believe that

all the replies to the second quoted post actually liked that episode.

Are you fucking kidding me? I stopped watching Doctor Who this season after that redhead who couldn't act and her boyfriend died because I realized I didn't care about any of the characters anymore and the story became became increasingly juvenile.

And then, just like a day ago, I decide to watch some random episode -- "ah today's the finale, so I guess I watch the one before that?" -- and Jesus Fucking Christ.

That was one of the worst things I've seen in Doctor Who, ever. That outright horrifying acting. That pussy pedestaling & making the doctor into a useless dumbfuck who cannot exist without a woman to solve everything for him. How is this supposed to be some uber powerful Time Lord?

Looks more like some fucking clown to me.

And that preview for the next episode, after this one ended. I could literally tell the entire fucking plot just based on that. And the fact they're pulling the "DOKTERS NAME" card again just shows how fucking desperate the writers are; and it shows that this season was definitely the low point of the entire series.

>>33277921
If this is foreshadowing and means we're getting yet another Doctor dies BUT NOT REALLY lol story then it's shit.
And if it isn't it's bad writing.

Moffat can't win with this one.

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>>33277932
The way they walked was ridiculous. It just broke the whole feel with them I felt. They weren't stiff, monotonous robots (which is what I like/expect) but more like something out of a boy band.

>>33277932

>The Cyberman feel slightly like a mixture of 60's Cyberman and the revived

How do you guys come up with this shit?

Stompy robots 2.0 now with added bullet time. That's all this episode was.

>>33278010
I really hope this means that you were all just roosing me and are now glad that I took the roose.

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>>33278027

>not paying attention to their execution
>not paying attention to their atmosphere surrounding it

"Stompy robots 2.0 now with added bullet time."

Yep, you have quite the low attention-span.

>>33278037
How about you let different people enjoy different things? I enjoyed Nightmare in Silver. You didn't - sucks for you. But since you don't even really watch DW anymore it shouldn't matter to you in the slightest.

Dr Who has been bad ever since they decided Dr Who was space Jesus and not just an awesome eccentric space hobo.

>>33278037
No. It just means yours and the other person's hyperbole is stupid and nobody agrees with it. If they were saying they didn't enjoy Nightmare in Silver, they wouldn't have gotten a response, but claiming it to be the WORST EPISODE EVURRR gets peoples' attentions.

>>33278088
Either way is still funny.

Plus it was the Time War which turned him into space Jesus... so there are reasons.

>>33278092
But it was the fucking worst episode ever. Let me guess, all the people with taste already died, so now all we have left is 11th's fag-nboys in these threads.

>>33278088
.... What do you think Jesus was other than an eccentric earth hobo?

>>33277880
I thought the idea of them being an enemy constantly upgrading itself, and using you to test itself was quite a good idea. You got an idea of what it must have been like fighting them, and you also got the impression that it's incredibly easy to end up being converted into one - you don't need to be lured into a cyberman factory or tricked into wearing earpods, they're like an airborne disease, and if you find a planet with them on it you need to blow it up immediately (I thought that was a really cool idea until it turned out it was just there to allow them to shit the bed at the ending)

And also seeing all the new ways they can kill people was great fun. For once they seemed really dangerous, rather than big lumbering clumsy stompy things. You weren't even safe in a room with one of their hands.

>>33278223
B-B-B-But that's not LORE!!!!