he's right, there is no one in film industry right now with such power and creative independence as nolan, last director like that was hitchcock

He's right though. Nolan made quality filmmaking appealing to the masses.

>>29863279 (OP)
>mfw hes right
>mfw only a low-life pleb disagree
>mfw

>>29863333

This. No matter how much anti-Nolan fags don't want to admit it.

>you're a big guy
>FOR YOU

>>29863327
Abrams?

Actually he is absolutely right.

It's the perfect fit of two worlds.

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>>29863333
too bad the more movies he makes the more hes revealed to be a derivative shit without a striking creative vision

i hate to be that guy, but SoS applies here

>>29863279 (OP)
Chris made occasionally comedic comics into dark and edgy films.

He's absolutely right.

>>29863381

Even Abrams doesn't have the creative control that Nolan does.

He's right.
Nolan creates very good blockbusters, nothing more.

>>29863327
Cameron and Spielberg you nolanfuck

>>29863398
You are not that guy. You are just some guy who is wrong and biased by bandwagon sentimentalities.

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>>29863381

>The guy who let the studio dictate aspects of how to make Star Trek
>creative control

at least he's not Cameron

>>29863279 (OP)

Good filmmakers can have shockingly bad taste in film.
News at 7.

PTA also likes Michael Bay.

>>29863444

I was so disappointed when I found out this wasn't a real quote.

If he was talking about TDK I wouldn't disagree, but TDKR was a mess. It here was no artistic ambition in that film at all

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of course

talents recognizes talent

/tv/ is irrelevant

>>29863425

Michael Bay creates very good blockbusters

Christopher Nolan creates very crappy 'thoughtful' movies

>>29863478

How is "good" defined in your world?

>>29863478

>Michael Bay creates very good blockbusters

He really doesn't.

>>29863478

no he doesn't you faglet

I feel embarrassed for OP. PTA is right.

Sure, Nolan isn't the deepest person around, far from it. But he does manage to put more thought into his films than anyone in blockbuster action films at the moment.

The reason people hate on him on here (Personally I'm kind of a fanboy), is because he's overrated. Being overrated doesn't make someone bad though.

And he really does have a lot of power. WB worship the guy. He's brought them so much money, in so little time.

Well yeah, he's right. Nolan makes popcorn "turn your brain off" drama, which is perfectly fine until idiots start comparing his movies to legitimately intelligent movies.

>>29863427
cameron has power but he's not interested in making good movies, he;s SFX guy

and spielberg is just boring right now

Why do some of yous think hes a hack ? Like what has he done so terribly ?

Or is this just throwing around buzzwords to get people mad.

NOLAN'S ONLY GOOD FILM WAS FOLLOWING

/THREAD

>>29863430
i am THE guy whos wrong and biased by bandwagon sentimentality

i post here a lot, and a fair percentage is me agreeing with myself. but just look at the movies hes made. hes not pushing boundaries, hes not making anything challenging, hes just a stylized director making eye candy shit.

>>29863527

If you turned your brain off you'd be dead.

>>29863455
>Good filmmakers can have shockingly bad taste in film.
>My training with the warrior monks of /tv/, however, makes me much more qualified.

You have no idea how hard I laughed at you riding in on your high horse.

>>29863557
because he's popular

he's never made a truly bad film yet
and he never will

Nolan haters are so fucking mad. I just don't get it..

The guy doesn't think he's Kieślowski or Tarr for fucks sake.

This guy hit the nail on the head:

>>29863518

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>>29863559
Just fuck off already, will ya?

>>29863532
>cameron has power but he's not interested in making good movies
lol shut up you're a just cynical sheep spare me please
avatar was excellent cinema, so was titanic

If you think that The Dark Knight is a shit film, I'm pretty certain you have an ulterior motive.

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>>29863478

>>29863478
>Michael Bay creates very good blockbusters

Who let this ten year old in?

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>mfw I realized Nolan is better than PTA

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>>29863622
>avatar was excellent cinema

>>29863627
I thought batman was a fucking boring protagonist and the plot wasn't that great.

In my opinion the Joker couldn't make up for the rest of the film. I think both Rises and especially Begins are better because they actually had christian bale act.

>>29863590

Film criticism and film making are separate skills. My time at university made me more qualified than someone who likes Bad Boys 2, yes.

>>29863427
>Implying any of them are relevant anymore

PTA was talking about his peers

>artistic
>skill

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>>29863590
>warrior monks of /tv/

I actually think Batman Begins was fairly unremarkable, it was well done, but nothing ground-breaking or overly artistic about it. It didn't really do anything for blockbuster superhero films that Spiderman or X-Men had done before it.

The Dark Knight, however, is an example of a top-tier amalgamation of cinematic brilliance and blockbuster mass-market appeal. It's a shame TDKR tarnished what could have been a relatively flawless trilogy.

>>29863648
It is, everything in Aavatar is said through visuals that's where real cinematic depth and emotion comes from, not pseudo-thoughtful explanatory monologues
Cameron is a true auteur following his vision, a real master
I'm not surprised an immature Nolantard cant form his own opinion on his movies and just hate on it because it's not "grimdark" enough

Nolan pretty much makes popcorn shit, it's true. I'm glad that /tv/ recognizes it.

I just don't understand how /tv/ can see Nolan's hackery and not Tarantino's, ugh. Two different flavors of steaming dogshit.

>>29863729

>i paid tens of thousands of dollars to echo other peoples' opinions
>LOOK AT ME
>TELL ME I'M QUALIFIED

You're right man, you are God's gift to the world of didactic critics.

>>29863731
>Cameron
>not relevant
Pushing cinema forward, made the #1 movie of the decade that changed cinema forever, more influential and creative than ever

>>29863801

I have to agree, he's really the reason everything is in IMAX now.

tdkr is deeper than the master

not even trolling

>>29863820
>IMAX
>not a gimmick
go to bed christopher

>thinking PTA isn't the most reasonable person working in the film industry today

>"I hate people who write off other people’s talents just because of their taste in movies. I left film-school for that very reason. The first thing the teacher told us was “If you want to make Terminator 2, leave now” and I was like, fuck you man. There could be a kid sat in the corner disheartened because Terminator 2 is the movie he wants to make, that’s his vision and here’s the teacher telling him he can’t do that. He had no fucking right, none of us do. Besides, I think Terminator 2 is a pretty kick-ass movie.”

>>29863790

You have quite a warped view of higher education. I'm not American so I don't have to pay preposterous amounts to get said education, nor do I have to parrot my professors views to make it to the end. You sound very resentful of either not being able to pay the fees or now being in horrible debts.

>>29863772
they do. QT routinely gets shit on here.

but he doesnt make movies with a mainstream audience in mind. so its kind of different. its all hyperviolent hard R exploitation shit, which does attract a certain mainstream, but hell never do box office numbers like Nolan

Get on my level

>Although strongly opposed to commercial cinema, in a famous exception Tarkovsky praised the blockbuster film The Terminator, saying its "vision of the future and the relation between man and its destiny is pushing the frontier of cinema as an art". He was critical of the "brutality and low acting skills", but nevertheless impressed by this film.[7]

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>>29863762

>Cameron is a true auteur

>>29863896

I'm a third-year medical student. Yes, I'm in debt. No, I'm not bitter.

I just find it funny that you believe yourself to be a better analyst than someone who can spot an infinitesimal intricacy in a single frame that most of us would never notice.

Of course, you may be the next Palme d'Or finalist, but you'll forgive me for my skepticism of another's qualifications on /tv/.

For all you know, I'm a high school janitor making shit up.

>>29863865

It doesn't matter, he still had an immense influence in ushering in this era, be it transient or not.

>>29863957

>Cameron is a true autist

>>>FIXED

>>29863772
Because unlike Nolan QT actually has real cinematic talent and isn't afraid to take risks
QT is a man who lives and breathes cinema

>>29863957
Prove me wrong

>>29863892
“If you want to make Terminator 2, leave now”
>PTA leaves school
"...because our first project is making Terminator 3"

>>29864037
Prove me right

>>29863865
>imax
>gimmick

so you still watch axxo 400mb dvdrips because 1080p is a gimmick also?

>>29863968

>someone who can spot an infinitesimal intricacy in a single frame that most of us would never notice.

Doesn't that ruin your enjoyment of most films? Seems like a two-edged sword.

>>29864074

Burden lies on the plaintiff, not the defendant. Not the guy you're talking to, but it's up to you to prove him wrong.

>>29863978
lel

>>29863279 (OP)
He's just being polite. Not like an ungrateful Bergman.

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>>29864037

>aiming for the big bucks
>with greedy producers funding you
>auteur cinema

>>29864077
>confusing format with pirating and home video standards
laugh at this pleb

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>>29863957
>auteur
>doesn't write his own films

>>29864128
>what is a DVD

>“I hate people who write off other people’s talents just because of their taste in movies. I left film-school for that very reason. The first thing the teacher told us was “If you want to make Terminator 2, leave now” and I was like, fuck you man. There could be a kid sat in the corner disheartened because Terminator 2 is the movie he wants to make, that’s his vision and here’s the teacher telling him he can’t do that. He had no fucking right, none of us do. Besides, I think Terminator 2 is a pretty kick-ass movie.” - Paul Thomas Andersos

>>29864102

Not exactly; au contraire, I believe it makes the film more enjoyable, as you pick up on very many nuances and quirks that add an extra layer of depth many can easily miss.

For a film such as Moonrise Kingdom, especially, it helps to analyze such things, as Wes Anderson is known for being a meticulous filmmaker, down to the wood panel, color scheme, or simple hue.

>>29864102
You just don't know shit about cinema. You think you do, but you don't. You know what your problem is? You think your taste is definitive. Well, it's not. I've got a brother in the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences motherfucker. My grandfather ran a movie theater during the fucking second world war. I've forgotten more better movies than you've ever fucking seen. So maybe you should stick to your Disney Channel whore threads and discussions of shit TV and leave the cineastes in peace you fucking toddler. Take your ignorant ass where it belongs when I want to talk about talented filmmakers changing the face of cinema as we know it and bridging the gap between low and high art in commercially successful endeavors. I've read over 500 issues of fucking Sight & Sound you little shit. I used to sit and watch entire movies in reverse back in the day on VHS.

>>29864022

I am sorry but Quentin is a man who lives and breathes his own cinema, hes self indulgent and bordering on the line of becoming a self parody.

Not too mention he borrows extensively from other movies and only admits to them being homages, which for some of the things hes done is a bit rich.

>>29864170

Do you enjoy the taste of stale pasta?

>>29864149
>still replying beside the point
give up

>>29864187

Quentin is a self-fluffing faggot. He's stated, and I'm paraphrasing here:

"When I get an idea for a film, I think, 'This would be fucking cool.' If others agree, then more power to them."

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He's saying Nolan is giving up artistic value for commerciality, which isn't really much of a compliment when you look at it. Especially when PTA himself doesn't care much about reaching wide audience and instead makes films for autonomous reasons. You can admire a film for making tons of money and still being somewhat respectable of a movie, but when it comes down to it you're detracting artistic quality. You can do both — I could name a few — but those movies don't make as much as Nolan blockbusters one would assume. Still, Nolan does alright at film-making regardless of commercial intent.

>>29864220
Too bad his movies are just scenes of other movies re-shot and spliced together

>>29864146
1. an auteur doesn't have to write his own films, educate yourself you look like a pleb right now
2. Cameron actually writes his own films

>>29864220
QT is balding tho

>>29864232
>>>/a/

Fuck off you shithead cunt

>>29864168
>>29864168
>>29864168
>>29864168
>>29864168
IS

THERE

ANYONE

MORE

BASED

>>29864267
this

>>29864242

Paying an homage to Spaghetti westerns isn't splicing, but I do agree the tributes are overt.

>>29864250

>urbandictionary.com
>fluffing

>>29864044
lol

>>29864187
I think your post is very ironic, since there's not a single original thought in it. You're just regurgitating false platitudes about Tarantino (self parody, plagiarism accusations). If I were to ask you what he really borrows from you wouldn't even be able to answer correctly because you have no film culture or you would give me dumb examples like city on fire (which you haven't seen).

>>29864349

I think your post is very ironic, since there's not a single original thought in it. You're just regurgitating false platitudes about Tarantino (great filmmaker, auteur to his genre of exploitation). If I were to ask you what he's really done, you wouldn't even be able to answer correctly because you have no film culture or you would give me dumb examples like Pulp Fiction (simply because it's a cult classic).

--------------------

I'm not the guy you're responding to, but it really goes both ways. All of /tv/ is an act of perseveration, so get off your high horse, jerkoff.

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>>29864220

You dare to question me?! Don't you know that I've seen thousands and thousands of movies and that that makes me a god-tier director??!

I'M SHUTTING YOUR BUTT DOWN!

Next you'll be talking about those know nothing hacks Kubrick and Welles!

>>29864349

So I am posting ironically because I am saying what many people think about him at this stage in his career ?

And not an original thought in my post, like Quentin then with his films.

>>29864232
In this sense you can dislike a movie for being popular, but only if it has so much commercial intent. Skyfall is constructed very crudely in order to fit the mass marketing machine that pumped through it, yet still retains most value you could expect from an anniversary film.

>>29864418

Speaking of Kubrick, have you seen "Eyes Wide Shut"?

Probably his best, and most overlooked, film. It lacks nothing.

>>29864349
>all those baseless personal attacks
Typical Taratinofag

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>>29864220
But that just sounds like a director who wants to realize his own ideas, that's only admirable.

>>29864449
1/10 replied

>>29864267
>>29864287
Where do you think we are?

>>29864480

I hear where you're coming from, but he just came across as an asshole when he said it if applied in the accurate context.

And I do agree QT is a good filmmaker to an extent, although his act is getting old.

He was much better before his attempts at revisionist history.

>>29864503

Are you retarded? I didn't even address his point, just went off on a tangent about the brilliance of Kubrick.

Friendly reminder that originality =/= creativity.

>>29864449

Yup, loved it. If Kubrick has made a bad film, I haven't seen it.

>Inb4 faggots complain about 2001.

I don't even know what we arguing about on in this thread

>>29864555
About film, fag.

PTA is shit tho

>>29864549

What would you say his best movie is?

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>>29864675
Napoleon

>>29864232
He's not giving up artistic value, he's finding a middle ground. You have to respect that he does that well and it's better than what most directors are doing to the film industry

>>29864790
Why make commercial movies if you're already established as a director? Do you want more money? Why not aspire to make something valuable? I just don't see it doing much good to cinema.

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>>29863444
>mfw

>>29864555

There is no argument, just OP and those who disagree with PTA being told.

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>>29864790
>dumbing down art
>this is somehow a good thing
It reminds me of people praising X-COM EU for making strategy games "accessible" to a "mainstream audience".
NO YOU RETARDS, THEY JUST RUINED STRATEGY GAMES LIKE NOLAN HAS RUINED ART.
GOD.

>>29864917
Maybe marrying a producer wasn't the best thing?

>>29864917
Well established like David lynch? He never made compromises. Now studios won't make his movies. Hollywood isn't a place for artists, which sucks, but directors like Nolan are trying to find a way to make it work.

>>29864917

Maybe he enjoys making films that the public may enjoy. Also I thought the Prestige was something he wanted to make from the start and Inception was a passion project for him.

Hes still making films for himself but just really in the mainstream domain.

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>>29864999
>knows nor understands nothing
>videogames

>>>/v/

>>29864187
he is truly a post modern genius

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>>29864999
NOLAN HAS RUINED ART

ITS OVER TRIPS CONFIRM IT

>>29864999
As a great conneseur of art with over 2.000 movies on letterboxd and Pulp Fiction as my number one I can confirm this

>>29864549
i didnt really like Eyes Wide Shut, it didnt really seem to go anywhere, and was really dense. Would easily say its the worst of the Kubrick movies I've seen. It's a shame because Kubrick worked really hard on it, and a lot of people think overwork contributed to his death

>>29864999
More like smarting up entertainment.

How does it feel knowing that Nolan is going to be one of the most beloved mainstream directors of all time? He is Kubrick's pretensions and Spielberg's accessibility rolled into one, without any of the talent. The worst of both worlds. Exactly what the mainstream audience wants.

>>29865307

I completely agree, but his movies are great.

>>29865279

Trust me, it is far from a shame that you, a denizen of /tv/, doesn't think EWS lived up to expectations.

It was a masterpiece.

>>29865388
There's no way someone over the age of 8 can look at a movie like TDKR and think that it is anywhere close to great. Passable at a stretch.

>>29865472

You're right, but it's still a very good film.

>>29863745
we specialize in theatricality and indeception

>>29865472
People can still grow up as retarded as a 8year old and still think it was deep enough hence great for them.

>>29863648
cry more

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>Nolan (Jewish name)
>mediocre at best film maker
>10/10 movie all the oscars and money

>PTA (Goyim)
>Cinema maestro
>This is boring, no oscars box office bomb

That's interesting. Two of the worst directors to enjoy hipster appeal kissing each other's ass.

Now just throw Fincher in the mix.

>>29865596
>10/10 movie all the oscars and money
'cept that isn't true. Nolan's gotten nothing from the Oscars for his films. His best films (in terms of the Oscars), The Dark Knight and Inception, I believe only won best stuff like best sound editing.

PTA has the big nominations for his films, and DDL managed to get best actor for his role in TWBB.

>>29865467
it was well done, dont get me wrong, but it seemed like it was out of his wheelhouse. no high concept, no sub narrative, it just wasnt what i expected for his final movie

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>>29865714
>not mentioning Legend
Oh My.

>>29865714

You're right, Heath Ledger never existed.

Goddamn plebeian.

>>29865763
Doesn't count
'cause he ded

>>29865809
>Calling someone a plebeian for NOT mentioning Heath Ledger
Nigga, Ledger is the most plebeian actor to ever win an oscar. Even on the night there were shrugs all around and Nolan himself even had a guilty look in his eye. It was understood by all to just be a sympathy prize for dying. Now he's on Halloween masks and tumblr blogs. What a legacy. Hack.

>>29865884

>nigga

You're a pasty mouth-breather living in his parents' basement. Don't use that word.

Also:

>being Autistic enough to misinterpret a "euphoric" facial expression as "guilty"

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>>29865884
only try-hards say that heat wasnt electrifying in that movie. and anyways, the oscar was probably more of an apology for not giving it to him for his gay sex cowboy movie than anything

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>>29863845

>>29864675

Sorry about the delay, had a phone call.

I'm not sure which is his objective best, but my favorite is Paths of Glory. Beautifully made and it kicks you right in the feels.

>>29866078
>Mumble mumble spit on hand

That movie was oscar bait trash too.

Memento>The Dark Knight>The Prestige = Inception>Following>Batman Begins>The Dark Knight Rises>Insomnia
>Come at me fanboys.

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>>29863762

>real cinematic depth
>Fern Gully: Part 2

>>29866112
>oscar bait trash

hence the guilt for snubbing him. but i thought he was pretty good. i was actually pretty choked up during that scene when he went back to gyllenhaals parents house. hes cursed forever with unfulfilled love because he couldnt accept himself. and now hes dead

Meanwhile in An Alternate Timeline. This discussion is about how Napoleon is Kubrick's greatest film and Paul Thomas Anderson is a rising cinematographer while Nolan is a bothanist.

>>29863444

gosh he looks so homeless and cute i want to take PTA home and pet him and give him a warm bed and let him suck on my nipples goodnight ;_;

>>29863444

try learning quantum physics, linear algebra, or even calc I on wikipedia in an hour, you pedantic faggot

>>29866502
you know that quote is false. right?

>>29866524

I do now. You've restored my faith in PTA.

Is the professor saying "You won't make T2" quote false as well?

>>29866554
all I have to say is
>2014
>Inherent Vice
>Under the Paving Stones, the beach!

>>29866624

I know about IV, but is Under the Paving Stones also a future project?

>>29866758
>May Judge Holden have mercy on you.

>>29866804

Judge Holden from the McCarthyverse?

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Everyone in Hollywood knows each other. Nolan has a lot of influence, PTA is smart to be sycophantic here. Tell the truth wouldn't do him any good. People aren't going to stop being plebs just because he trashes one of Nolan's films. It won't make himself any more popular nor will it make Nolan any less popular, it might do the opposite in fact.

These comments are meaningless. People who have a lot to lose can't afford to tell the truth. Remember, free is just another word for nothing to lose.

>>29866899
dubs wont lie.

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>>29866899

A level-headed poster on my /tv/? IMPOSSIBRU

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Image if PTA has said the opposite; Nolan is a shallow hack, his films are overrated, TDN was a one trick pony with Ledger's performance; there'd be a lot of bad press and controversy and brouhaha over nothing, it would make things really awkward between PTA and Nolan and lots of people at the Hollywood parties and award ceremonies and director roundtables. PTA is autistic in the banal sense of the term, he can't handle all that pressure and reporters asking him to explain his comment or people coming up at parties and asking him to explain himself. Look at the fugly mestizo he married. He has no game, he's probably more socially awkward than half of /tv/. Just watch this fucking interview. Look at this kid .http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHQ44-0535w

It's just basic etiquette, nothing more. PTA's aesthetic is totally different from Nolan's, his comment is 100% BS.

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>>29866966
>>29867099

Never mind, just another cavalierly assumptive cipher.

And to think I had finally seen the light.

all that will happen is anti nolanfags will hate on pta

>>29863381
Abram's style is making money, but yeah sure

>>29863381
Abrams new star trek looks like a nolan movie

>>29863444
PTA IS CUTE AS FUCK

>>29866502
the joke is no one listens to radio
PTA DOES IT AGAIN 2ARTSY4U

>>29867487

You are one truly unfunny faggot. Don't try again.

>>29867699
Don't you know ironic shitposting is the hard counter to pedantry?

>>29867822
>ironic

You spergs use this word way too liberally.

>>29866899
>>29867099
>B.. b.. but what he r.. really means is..

Pathetic...

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>>29867909
oh wait, let my try this one out

>implying

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>>29868037
Didn't imply that he meant what I said. It was just a couterfactual.

He probably hasn't even seen TDK/R and doesn't have an opinion.

>>29868051

Hah, touche. The last one to complete the triumvirate is "projecting."