Well what about /tv/ and /v/? They're in the same boat.

/a/ gets quite a lot of original content, especially compared with other boards. Have you seen the drawthreads?

/fit/ spend a lot of money

>>57741176
/v/ has their game developer threads and I believe they support the industry more, because they have more buyfags. I don't frequent /tv/.

>>57741177
Those stickfigures don't really have a lasting appeal.

Maybe, but so what? The primary 'output' is entertainment. That's a valid end in itself.

/tg/ is the board with the most output.

I agree with that pic.
Wossy is plenty moe.

>Implying i didn't make a comic manga

>You never contribute something to the media
That would be doujin works, you're not going to get an actual show or manga made here.

What happened to /a/ archive?

I can't find any of my old threads on google anymore.

>>57741255
The other boards have that too, but they also manage to contribute to the medium. /a/ just consumes.

>>57741298
http://archive.foolz.us/a/

>Don't contribute anything

Wrong faggot. What about all Madoka fan-fiction I've written?

>implying AMVs are contributing to the medium

>Is that a motherfucking Bawoo?

You dissapoint me Mr Ross.

>>57741358
All of that cancer.

most consumig board is /ck/

>mfw that guy was usually the less excentric

>>57741358
That sure counts as contributing, but you form an exception.

>>57741398
Some people find enjoyment in them.

>>57741347

Thank god. Oh the memories. Remember my Vagabond thread?

>Vagabond is just:

>1) I WANT TO BE THE VERY BEST
>2) HACK, SLASH, CUT, HACK, SLASH
>3) I TOLD YOU I KICKED ASS
>4) HACK, SLASH, HACK
>5) BAWWWWW I'M NOT AWESOME

>you don't draw manga
Well of course not. I'm not Japanese.

>>57741242
>and I believe they support the industry more

You gotta be kidding me. Clearly you have never been to /v/.

Besides, /a/ supports the industry in alternative ways. For example, I spend about 10 - 20.000 yen monthly on figurines. I'm sure others are in the same boat here.

Also /a/ kinda made a VN.

>>57741142
I'm gonna need sauce on that image, OP.

From my research, Jonathan Ross in a BBC documentary?

>>57741177
The ones that last even a week?
Even /vp/ has faster drawthreads

Or had, before it became a tripfagfest

What really counts as original content? It's hard for anything made here to spread, much less over into Japan, simply because of how broken up the fans are.

>>57741516
Japanorama

How is making AMVs or drawing "manga" contributing to the medium?

>>57741659
Much obliged

>>57741242
>and I believe they support the industry more,
You don't even fucking go to /v/

>>57741659
* Japanowamah.

>>57741686
You process the media you've taken in and you work your vision out in an art form for other fans of the medium to enjoy.

>>57741743
But the "medium" is Japanese cartoons and comics. They are neither.

>>57741717
PC games are pirated left and right, but a lot of console gamers build up impressive libraries every generation. People are encouraged to pirate, but there's also a lot of buying going on.

>>57741764
I'm sorry, I was wrong when I implied it should have to be the same medium. Any medium is fine as long as something is made.

Oh wow, someone saved my Wossy screenshot.

This was uploaded 4 days ago, OP.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lQld5mvVl0

Your argument is moot.

>>57741842
There is also a lot of buying of anime merch. Figurine sales are on an all time high.

I also know many fags here write a lot of fapfics. We do have some drawfags as well. So I'd say you are gravely mistaken.

Who gives a shit?
AMVs are shit. Western "manga" is shit. Fan fics are shit.

Waifu App. That is all.

>>57741911
Anime is shit. I don't think quality matters much in the contribution aspect.

>>57741899
I'm just saying that people contributing are a given on other boards, here those people form an exception.

>>57741885
That's nice.

What happened to /a/'s nichijou doujin?

>>57741996
I haven't heard much about it recently.
What gives?

>>57742036
>people contributing are a given on other boards

How exactly does /v/ contributes...?

How does /tv/ contributes?

How the hell does /sp/ contributes?

I think you are full of shit, personally.

>>57742132
They had 6 threads and the project died. I should know, I made the threads.

We translate doujins, i think, at least i remember "it's not my fault that im not popular"

That's the way the anime industries outside of Japan work as well. They take something already made, maybe slap some adaptation on it, but pretty much sell it as is.

>>57742190
That's not a doujin.

OP faget, where you think all your lightspeed fansub niggas from?

>>57742165
>The largest portion of /v/ buys their games. It's a matter of prevalence.

>I don't browse /tv/.

>/sp/ doesn't depend on a medium.

I think you're full of shit, so that evens it out, I guess.

>>57742280
>The largest portion of /v/ buys their games
[citation needed]

>>57742280
>The largest portion of /v/ buys their games
Bullshit.

>>57742316
I can't present you scientific researches, you can only take my word or do a blind test yourself.

>>57742280
>The largest portion of /v/ buys their games

Even console games are being pirated out the wazoo

Man fuck all of you. I've easily spent $2k on Japanese BDs alone this year to support shows I like.

>>57741417
A+

>>57742382
You probably have shit taste if you were able to spend so much money this year.

>>57742362
>you can only take my word or do a blind test yourself.

I visit /v/ daily. Empirical evidence leads me to believe you are, indeed, full of shit.

>>57742430

It wasn't all series from this year.

>Kaiba
>Star Driver
>Redline
>Tiger and Bunny
>Penguindrum

>>57742430
>Implying he implied that the shows he purchased were from this year.

Try harder faggot.

>>57742523
>no madoka
I'm proud.

>>57742450
That's funny, my empirical evidence supports other claims. i.e., you being full of shit, etc.

We are dirty gaijins, so we don't contribute anything to the medium by definition. Outside of a few exceptions, we are completely irrelevant in the anime market and have been for decades.
Not producing shitty AMVs is probably a good thing. /a/ is responsible for some translating/subbing from time to time, and we have a lot of scanalators and subbers here, so there's that.

Also,
>/v/
>buying games

>>57742523
I take it back, dear sir. You could also have refuted me with the following quote:

I hate cynicism. I wipe it from me. I don’t like cynical people. I don’t like cynical movies. Cynicism is very easy. You don’t have to justify it. You don’t have to fight for it.
Michel Gondry

>>57742543

Fuck Madoka. I was gonna buy Casshern Sins, but it's only being sold through third party sellers on amazon now and they won't ship overseas. I guess I'll just have to be satisfied with my US release for now.

>>57742546
In other words, you have no proof?

Sugoi monogatari aniki. Try making a thread when you can back up your claims next time.

>>57742584
You also have no proof.

Try making a post when you can back up your claims next time.

/a/ is the best form of entertainment there is, bar none.

>>57742582
>Fuck Madoka

>>57742430
>You probably have a job if you were able to spend so much this year.
fix'd

>>57741142
Source?

>>57742712
Read the thread, faggot.

>>57742712
Boku no moe.

>>57742712
Boku no Wossy

OP is wrong. /a/ came up with the OP and ED for Code Geass. Ichigo to Mashimaru was for a large part written by /a/nons. FOX News once spent over two days reporting the busywork of Korean animators, just because /a/ caused an uproar. 90% of all doujins on the market are published by /a/nons.

>Implying /a/ doesn't translate manga weekly
>Implying we don't by figma
>Implying none of us donn't buy a manga or anime on a monthly/weekly basis.
Seriously OP you retarded or something?

>>57742857
I never said that nobody did it, I'm just saying that we do it to lesser extent.

>>57742857
>/a/ translating manga weekly
We do?

>>57742382
>I've easily spent $2k on Japanese BDs alone this year to support shows I like.
You're a moron. First of all, you're a pampered rich asshole (a one percenter, to use a current term) who's using his mommy's Platinum Amex to finance his bullshit "hobby".

Second, that "support" is a drop in the ocean. It won't change the terrible ways the anime industry is going now*. The prices of japanese BDs are obscene, and there's not enough domestic interest to make a difference, so what's the point? Feel better about yourself?

*Guess what's the best-selling anime BD this year: Gundam SEED.

And, what's wrong with Madoka, if you don't mind asking? A REASONABLE argument, not some parroting of bullshit terminology.

>>57742909
And then there's this faggot.

/a/ has a lot of small translator/subtitle groups. Or a suppose more accurately, there are many such groups that come to /a/ both for anime discussion and/or to release their works. Hox, Hayate and SHiN are all members of such groups.

/a/ does actually create a surprising amount of content, and some awesome stuff, but it's more contributing to itself than to the medium. The best example of this is R/a/dio.

The thing that makes it had to output back into the boards topic, namely the anime and manga industries, is that there are few ways to do so. Look at /v/. Sure they can go on about piracy but if they want to put money in to the industry, even the poorest guy ever could wait for a big sale and buy games dirt cheap (eg, games like New Vegas, a year old, selling £4 during Steam sales). DVD/BDs and figures are expensive.

I see why you'd think /a/ is so consuming, but it is actually surprisingly not so.

>>57741242
>Those stickfigures don't really have a lasting appeal.
Tell that to Tumbler and Redit. They have looted 4chan's content it's not even funny anymore.

That would be /co/ and /lit/

>>57742899
They just don't gloat about it.

>>57742909
A manly tear just rolled down my cheek. Being Kaiba is suffering.

Also, Madoka was a boring show. But that's just my opinion. You can't reasonably call something with that big a budget bad.

/sp/

These guys are devoting their lives to a bunch of millionaires prancing around on the field who could give less of a shit about any of them.

>/sp/
How many of them actually play sports and attend games?
None.

>>57742941
Which board would you think of as the most consuming?

>>57743021
They can attend games, but watching it on firstrow while spamming >gnats in the game threads is a lot more fun.

>>57742988
>Also, Madoka was a boring show.
I felt the atmosphere and pacing were great. It was excellent in that regard.

>You can't reasonably call something with that big a budget bad.
SEED is. It's a waste of perfectly good money and time for anyone who watched it.

>>57741242
>/v/ has their game developer threads and I believe they support the industry more, because they have more buyfags.
Yeah, which usually consist of talking about things they spent $5 - $40 on. In /a/ buyfag threads a figma figure (see pic) is generally considered cheap compared to other things, and they're $30 - $40 each.

We can't really support the industry as much as a board like /v/, what with us being baka gaijin and all.

>>57743075
I'm sorry, but I can only see opinions. You asked for a reasonable complaint, but I can only give you my opinions.

>>57743023
Couldn't say. The only boards I regular are /a/ and /v/. Don't know a damn thing about the culture or content of other boards.

i would say /ck/ consumes the most

>>57743075

Don't forget Destiny. That was such a waste of money and time even some of the voice actors hated the everloving shit out of it and refused to play their roles ever again.

>>57743141
I don't get it.

>>57743141
dohohoho

>>57743141
Too late.
>>57741417

So, we all can agree that the most useless board is /b/?

>>57743157
Your comment is funny, because somewhere endless eight was just triggered.

>>57742909
>First of all, you're a pampered rich asshole (a one percenter, to use a current term) who's using his mommy's Platinum Amex to finance his bullshit "hobby".

Nope. I have a fucking job.

I don't really care if it's "just a drop in the ocean." I have the means so why shouldn't I try to put my money where my mouth is and buy series I find worthwhile?

As for Madoka, I didn't hate it but it's the furthest thing from "revolutionary" in the magical girl genre. It's ludicrously over rated for what it is. I didn't find it terribly interesting and I thought the characters were rather flat and uncompelling. Some of the art direction was nice, but that's about it. Neither the story nor the execution were particularly unique or well handled imo.

But lol opinions.

To answer OP's question, I think the feeling is mutual. Japanese producers have forgotten about the western market, to the point we find the present situation.

If you believe "/a/ is not supporting the industry", that is, at least in part, because the industry forgot about our existance. The western anime fandom is smaller every day.

That is even more true for those of us not in the US. There's no CrunchyRoll streaming, no official BDs, no stores selling merchandise (at reasonable prices).

>>57743183
Are you stupid?

>>57743183
It's not even random, they spout the same shit all the time, it's the most predictable board actually, not random in any way.

katawa shoujo

>>57743183
I'd say the most useless one is /n/.

¿Do the guys from /tv/ contribute something, aside from the live watch threads?

>>57743203
That's because America is full of morons who cling to stereotypes about anime/how they saw some ignorant weeaboos acting at a con and use that to bash anybody who likes it.

No wonder anime is dying, and it is the fault of the overzealous weeaboos but it's also the fault of the haters who cling to stupid stereotypes.

everybody is just fucking dumb and ruining everything for everyone.

>>57743202
>Nope. I have a fucking job.
Lie. What kind of a job gives you enough money to finance US$2,000 in anime merchandise a year, with a fucking recession looming?

>As for Madoka, I didn't hate it but it's the furthest thing from "revolutionary" in the magical girl genre. It's ludicrously over rated for what it is. I didn't find it terribly interesting and I thought the characters were rather flat and uncompelling. Some of the art direction was nice, but that's about it. Neither the story nor the execution were particularly unique or well handled imo.
So, you're just jaded, I see.

Has anyone got sauce on OP's pic?

What the fuck is Johnathon Ross doing? Is it a shoop?

I couldn't get the money on PayPal quick enough so I wasn't able to purchase the Cromartie and Princess Tutu boxset for 6 dollars this weekend. I'm so fucking mad.

>>57743183
/b/ is terrible, but it's not useless. If it wasn't there, the retards would just flood into other boards.

Well, it's already happening, but it'd be even worse than it is now.

>>57743287

Anime in the US is dead because of overzealous licensors in the mid 00s. They licensed any title they could get their hands on, regardless of quality thinking it would sell, and it flooded the market with shit no one wanted to buy and the market collapsed.

Though admittedly the faggotry at conventions really doesn't help the image problem anime has here either.

>>57743311
Stop trolling so blatantly. You're only pushing yourself in a corner.

>>57743317

It's Japanorama. He ran a show about Japanese culture years ago.

>>57743377
They showed this in my uni anime club way back when. Fucking crazy brits.

>>57743377

Well this should be interesting...

>>57743355
And people who cling to stereotypes without ever exploring the medium itself.

You know you've heard the "anime is only for pedos and sexually confused" folks. I'm also sure you've heard the idiots who say that all anime and manga uses the same character designs with huge eyes and spiky hair.

These are both ignorant stereotypes and further proof that the people who hate anime, haven't even explored it enough to justify their hatred.

>>57743311

I only make $26k a year, but I'm still living with my parents so I have minimal living expenses and consequently can spent more money on my bullshit hobbies while still saving plenty.

>So, you're just jaded, I see.
What's wrong with that? Isn't it normal to find shit you've seen a thousand times already in only moderately different iterations boring/stale?

>>57743311
Any full time job.

>>57743355
>They licensed any title they could get their hands on, regardless of quality thinking it would sell, and it flooded the market with shit no one wanted to buy and the market collapsed.
Here's an idea: if licensors just ASKED the fans what they want to see licenced, would that work?
Add to that a reasonable distribution network, going from online streaming to Cartoon Network.

>>57743311
>Lie. What kind of a job gives you enough money to finance US$2,000 in anime merchandise a year, with a fucking recession looming?
flipping burgers

>>57743311
>What kind of a job gives you enough money to finance US$2,000 in anime merchandise a year
Any job, even desk jops and WcBurger

>>57743523
Here's a simpler idea:

Check the number of downloads a torrent gets, if you want it a bit more complex then check which torrents are more downloaded in North America.

>>57743506
>I only make $26k a year, but I'm still living with my parents
Oh, I see. Well, over here US$2,000 a month is a lot of money.

>What's wrong with that? Isn't it normal to find shit you've seen a thousand times already in only moderately different iterations boring/stale?
See >>57742577. And Star Driver on your list doesn't help your argument.

>>57743203
Which is great, look at what happened to the video game industry when they stop being a niche market. Not to sound hipster, but nowadays those idiots don't know how to recognize a good game.

>>57743614
Read the conversation 2k a YEAR, also, what shit country do you live in?

>>57743523

I'm not really sure what would have worked. Fans are notoriously stupid about what's actually going to sell (they're a vocal minority and often know what they want only because they've already pirated it).

The licensors seemed to be doing just fine by cherry picking hits and series that seemed to appeal to the mass market in like '99-'03, but by '05-'06 they were licensing literally anything they could get their hands on––frequently before series even aired––without any concern for quality or market appeal. That was probably the stupidest thing they could have done with the DVD model. CR functions on basically that same idea, but the amount of assumed risk is significantly lower (from what I understand for the vast majority of series they license for streaming they aren't required to pay any upfront licensing fees and it's just a profit sharing model––tl;dr near 0 risk for CR).

>>57743311

> Lie. What kind of a job gives you enough money to finance US$2,000 in anime merchandise a year, with a fucking recession looming?

Are you serious? How about any even somewhat skilled job.

>>57743614
$2k a year, Anon.

>>57743220
assuming release, /a/ instantly confirmed for contributing board of the year all years no further input required

>>57743635
Then why the fuck /a/ has thread after thread on the stupid cunts of Stratos, while a decent show like Michiko & Hatchin passed ignored?

At least Redline didn't passed ignored here, so /a/ is a mixed bag, to say the least.

>>57743694
The guy said he earned US$26,000 a year, roughly $2,000 a month. That's a large salary over here, for anyone. For reference, minimum wage is about $300 a month and poverty line is about $100 a month.

>>57743614

I don't think you've actually watched Star Driver if you think that's the case.

But regardless, I didn't like Madoka so I didn't buy it. Simple.

OP is right

I don't even know why you faggots even bother trying to deny and debate about this.

then there is the buyfag morons who generalize himself to everyone else in /a/, what a bunch of dumbass

>>57743910
OP detected.

>>57743859
Because /a/ talks about current anime not good anime.
And Michiko to Hatchin was shit.

>>57743893
>I don't think you've actually watched Star Driver if you think that's the case.
It's a poor rehash of Utena, with bad character designs and too much homolust.

Get a job,all(most probably dont do shit) of you, idk, like a decent one, just being a cop gets me 50k a year and it sucks being the law

>http://katawa-shoujo.com/

>>57743935
>And Michiko to Hatchin was shit.
Define this, please. It was a decent show, and different enough from the shitstorm of poor stereotypes and MediaFactory-inspired harem crap.

It's because it has strong (non-fetichistic) female characters and that puts you off, correct?

>>57743924
Sorry, nope. I only just now dropped by to read new responses. I'm watching Kemonozume.

>>57743859
>For reference, minimum wage is about $300 a month and poverty line is about $100 a month

If you can pay for internet with such a wage then you can support the industry.

Also, minimum wage can vary from country to country since obviously you have to consider how much you actually spend.

>>57744013
>Sorry, nope. I only just now dropped
What convenient timing.

>>57741142

May I ask you fine gentlemen the sauce of that pic? A legitimate BBC program....what?

>>57743859
>minimum wage is about $300 a month and poverty line is about $100 a month.

Pretty sure that's for people who can't do shit. That's what a decent major is for.

>>57743944

Not really. It's a mash up of magical girl and super robot bullshit. Anything Utena-esq about it was a result of Enokido's thematic fixations––they're in literally every one of his works.

But again, opinions.

>>57743859

Minimum wage in the states is like $1.2k/mo if that helps put it in perspective. Also that $26k salary is before taxes, I only actually take home about $1.6k/mo––I still live with my parents because moving out would mean after rent and shit I basically wouldn't have any money to save, let alone spend on anime shit.

>>57744030
>with such a wage then you can support the industry
Are you serious? Have you seen the prices of Japanese BDs?

>>57744049

Read the thread.

>>57744049

>>57741659

>>57744107
>Not really. It's a mash up of magical girl and super robot bullshit. Anything Utena-esq about it was a result of Enokido's thematic fixations––they're in literally every one of his works.
It drags a lot more than Madoka, that's for sure.

I bought a manga today. Does that mean I contributed more then most of /a/ does in a year? But at least we ain't /v/. It doesn't take a economics expert to realize no one is going to make games if everyone pirates them all.

>>57744035
Three minutes after somebody agreed with me? Why, yes, very convenient indeed. Also, I don't name my reaction images, neither do I save/use a lot of them.

>>57744118
That's why I mentioned if you can pay for internet.

>>57744004
>It's because it has strong (non-fetichistic) female characters and that puts you off, correct?
>non-fetichistic
Are you kidding me?

>>57744181
Was it raw? if not, then you didn't really contribute.

>>57744004

Looks like we have an angry pretentious anime fanboi going on a rampage here.

>It's because it has strong (non-fetichistic) female characters and that puts you off, correct?

It is funny because she wears less clothes than the average girl in a harem anime.

>>57744181
>Does that mean I contributed more then most of /a/ does in a year?
Pft. No.
Have you seen buyfag threads?

We make lots of /a/ sings videos and have a r/a/dio. Not to mention all the translators we have here that benefit lots of anime watchers and manga readers that don't even know of this site.

>>57744226
Fetishes are what YOU have. I have tastes in sexual characteristics. In much the same way, there's tons of shit pandering anime for you, and lots of good anime that appeals to me in its presentation. Don't confuse these ideas!

>>57744049
Yes, It is sir.
I suggest you to read the thread, as the source was already posted.

Isn't someone from /a/ responsible for this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfB-UPUCxOc

>>57744349
>I have tastes in sexual characteristics
But you're a virgin.

>>57744379
That's right.

>>57744379
He said shitty amvs, whereas that one is god's gift to mankind.

>>57744417
Looks like another shitty AMV to me.

>>57741142
are you kidding? a lot of people on /a/ buy stuff. not to mention /sp/? they don't play sports, and i doubt they have paid for a sports game in their life. people in japan would have to torrent football games if they wanted to watch them.

plus, peer to peer sharing benefits core copyright industries.
people who download media "illegally" are 10x more likely to purchase media
most of the rest of the people who "steal" media wouldn't purchase the media anyway

If there was a fee to be able to download anime and you had to pay a reasonable fee monthly, I am sure many people on /a/ would have no problem paying for it.

>>57744379
Well shit, that was pretty neat.

>>57744379
>Manly anime for manly men, like myself.

>mfw I saw this editor at a convention
>mfw it's a chick

>>57744181

/v/ contribute to the industry more than you ever will just by buying a console.

>>57744523
>editor
Of what? That video had no editing at all.

>>57744379
Huh. I don't know why, but I'm kind of proud of the fact our board can take credit for that.

>>57744417
>>57744478

Your opinion counts for less if you grew up with the show. The AMV has horrible timing.

>>57743614
>Well, over here US$2,000 a month is a lot of money.
Do you live in Afghanistan or something?

>>57744558
I noticed a fair amount, but I just rewatched Pokemon recently. Anyway, there's quite a bit of photoshopping going on in it.

That you can't tell is probably a good thing though.

>>57744417
>>57744478
>>57744571
You're trying way too hard.

Where do I find the video in OP?